President Barack Obama today continued his effort to repair the image of the U.S. in the wake of his release of the “torture memos,” by ordering the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to “start using hindsight first, instead of as a last resort.”
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1 gafisher // Apr 24, 2009 at 7:38 am
Considering the number of times Obama has used the “not the … I used to know” defense, perhaps he ought to put some effort into setting an example of thinking things through.
2 gafisher // Apr 24, 2009 at 7:52 am
CIA forehindsight — “Whew! We missed that bullet. Too bad San Fran, Houston, Seattle, Detroit and D.C. didn’t …”
3 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 24, 2009 at 8:20 am
Um, er, uh, think?
Thinking is not what BHO or his sociopathic cabal do; they react to media stimulus, much like Pavlov’s infamous dog, and blindly adhere to the teachings of their mentoring maniac, Saul Alinsky.
Compared to actual torture, waterboarding is quite humane, in my opinion.
I came across another BHO lie here. I don’t look for BHO’s lies, they present themselves everywhere I look.
4 gafisher // Apr 24, 2009 at 9:00 am
JL3 Re: “I don’t look for BHO’s lies, they present themselves everywhere I look.”
Making a list of Obama truths would require a lot less space but a lot more time.
5 Maggie // Apr 24, 2009 at 9:34 am
I’ll hazard a guess and say that Mrs Danny Pearl would have preferred that her husband had been offered the choice of water boarding to beheading.
Just sayin’.
6 Laughing@You // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:23 am
Red,
I have never heard anyone argue that the torture done by the United States was the same as that done by Saddam, and that certainly is not my position!
Conservatives, who claim moral superiority, and most often Christian virtue, ALWAYS seem to want to grade everything ?on the curve".
So often, you castigate ?liberals? by weighing the virtues of the two parties with your thumb on the scale!
Will you ever stand up and say what we did was wrong! The war in Iraq was wrong, no matter how many times, you switch its motivation.
Is the world a better place without Saddam, you always ask?
Probably, but if you ask me was it worth the lives of the young Americans lost to get rid of him?
My answer is NO!
The behavior of our troops, in the main has made all Americans proud! But, certain segments of all invading armies will sooner or later become abusive! After all it is their function to impose the will of their government upon those who have not freely agreed to accept it!
Most of you here who claim to support the troops, have at most a pen pal relationship, like Darthmeister, which you try to use to support your political purposes without any real concern for the soldier or his family!
?At least 13 American soldiers have committed suicide in March as post traumatic syndrome is increasing suicide tendency among Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans.
The latest figure has brought to 56 the number of US soldiers? suicide cases in 2009, according to figures released by the US Army, a press TV correspond reported on Monday.?
http://www.presstv.com/classic/detail.aspx?id=920...
Everthink?
7 Fred Sinclair // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:57 am
Maggie #5 -
From “Yid with Lid” today:
Sometimes the debate on “torture” gets so silly,” and Debbie Schlussel gives the perfect example:
Wednesday Night, on ABC News’ “Nightline,” investigative reporter Brian Ross showed a chilling-but not surprising-tape of Sheikh Issa bin Zayed al Nahyan, a prince in the United Arab Emirates’ ruling royal family, brutally torturing a man within inches of his life. Sheikh Issa’s brother Mohammed is the Crown Prince of the U.A.E.
The man being beaten, held down, and shot at by Sheikh Issa is a farmer, who the prince claims cheated him out of $5,000 of grain. For that alleged slight, Prince Issa forces the man to eat sand, beats him with a wooden plank with a nail on it, shoots at him, pours lighter fluid on the man’s testicles and sets them aflame, drives a nail through his buttock flesh, electrocutes him with a cattle prod, and then repeatedly runs over him with an SUV.
Incredibly, ABC News anchor Terry Moran has the utter gall to compare this real torture to America’s “torturing” (which is nothing close to this) of no more than three Islamic terrorists-including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah-who were bent on our destruction.
Brian, that is a shocking investigation, especially as our own country is engaged in a wrenching debate on torture.
Even if you think that water boarding is torture (I don’t) it should not be mentioned in the same sentence as what Sheikh Issa does in these videos. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed got wet, Los Angeles was saved. This WAS REAL torture.
8 Fred Sinclair // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:00 am
Time to dump McCain. His daughter is out of control on lib venues speaking out against the GOP. Then McCain trashes Sarah Palen. Now Steve Schmidt, McCain’s chief strategist, is urging conservatives to drop their opposition to same-sex marriage. Bye, Bye, John.
9 Left Coast-Right Mind // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:15 am
Washington D.C. (AP) - Unsatisfied with the CIA’s handling of his fore-hindsight directive, President Barack appoints Miss Cleo as the Czar of his newly formed Pre-Terrorism Prevention Taskforce (or putt-putt for short).
According to Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the former Psychic Friends Network spokeswoman’s legal troubles, which included allegations of fraud, should not pose a threat to her credibility in such a vital role as the foremost prognosticator of threats to the national security of the United States of America.
…Developing…
10 Fred Sinclair // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:32 am
As the current White House resident continues to disrespect America, then as Merle Haggard sang, “If you’re running’ down my country, man, you’re walkin’ on the fightin’ side of me.”
11 Laughing@You // Apr 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Say Fred,
Seymour Hersh said recently on Air America that there are more torture pictures, which will be released soon. Pictures that are far worse than any seen thus far. One picture involves an eight-year-old boy.
You claim to know god, please tell me; can repentance occur without full recognition of sin?
If you will, tell me too, would Jesus stand by and watch the things you are now trying to excuse?
Remember, your answer will be “On the record” both here, and at your final destination.
Everthink?
12 RedPepper // Apr 24, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Fred: Speaking of “real torture.” Here is a link to a PDF version of a report by the British Foreign & Commonwealth Office on Saddam Hussein’s human rights abuses. It has an annex (i.e. appendix) that lists a number of torture methods that were used by his regime.
They included:
Eye gouging
Piercing of hands with electric drill
Electric shock ( incl. on genitals )
“Falaqa” ( commonly known as Bastinado; whipping the soles of the feet with steel cables or rods )
and others ( burnings, beatings, sexual abuse, acid etc. )
Here is a description of another technique, which IIRC, was one of the abuses that was inflicted on John McCain at the Hanoi Hilton:
“Victims are blindfolded, stripped and suspended for hours by their wrists, often with their hands tied behind their backs. This causes dislocation of shoulders and tearing of muscles and ligaments.”
FWIW, this is not an exhaustive list.
13 RedPepper // Apr 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Another item - this one a news story - on torture techniques used by al Qaeda.
How-To Manual Found …
Some of the drawings show how to drill hands, sever limbs, drag victims behind cars, remove eyes, put a blowtorch or iron to someone’s skin, suspend a person from a ceiling and electrocute them, break limbs and restrict breath and put someone’s head in a vice.
14 upnorthlurkin // Apr 24, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Good Ol’ Seymour….never one to exaggerate….
Say, didn’t he take a long ride on the mothership?! Or did he ride with Timothy Leary?! Nice try, Chuckles.
Hersch has a habit of flame throwing….
wv chilling revenge…that’s the only agenda with which this administration is concerned. Sick!
15 Laughing@You // Apr 24, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Lurch,
Your attitude in post 13 is duly noted. By this time next week, it will change!
Oh, you still won’t give a rat’s rump about the victims, or the outrage and immorality of what has been done in the name of the United States.
But, when the world looks at America with disgust. I expect you too will feel ashamed.
If that isn’t enough, the demand for war crimes prosecution reach a fever pitch. Then, watch the rats abandon ship, and offer up Dumbyah and “Shotgun Dick”.
“Nice try, Chuckles.” We’ll see.
Everthink?
16 DrivebyMeteor // Apr 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm
“How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”
- Abraham Lincoln
17 Laughing@You // Apr 24, 2009 at 4:07 pm
That is so true, DrivebyMeteor. Torture is a war crime no matter what you try to call it, or how many legs you dog has!
Everthink?
18 RedPepper // Apr 24, 2009 at 4:10 pm
mkk #23: It could certainly be argued that the threat of eternal damnation in Hell qualifies as a form of psychological torture.
Just sayin' …
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20 Fred Sinclair // Apr 24, 2009 at 5:41 pm
B.O. clarifies his ‘authorization’ as a breakdown in communication.
“Wait a minute now, I didn’t authorize ATTACKS on the Pirates, I authorized A TAX on the pirates”
21 DrivebyMeteor // Apr 24, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Everspellcheck?
22 Fred Sinclair // Apr 24, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Jesus did not call for a conference of merchants for discussion, nor did he send letters to other countries to see how their laws would apply to what he saw as evil!
He did not even call all the local liberals together to ask them for a consensus of how to address the plight of the moneychangers. Nor did he seek to impose an additional tax on local townsfolk to bailout their losses.
He saw a problem and as the Son of God, he judged them and their actions to be an evil that must be driven out. So he took action and did what was necessary to expunge the evil that was preying on the people who came to worship. He shouldered aside the crooks, pushed past the pantywaists. Jesus was a man’s man. There was no halo floating in midair over his head, there was a robe falling back over a bronzed muscled arm (made strong in felling trees to make the lumber to ply his trade as a carpenter) wielding his whip with authority and power in his voice and fire in his eyes. Truly a man of action. The liberals of his day were stealing from the poor - in the name of doing good. Kind of like our libbers today.
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;
John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.
John 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
23 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 6:36 pm
If you ask me, holding your enemy captive is a form of torture. What could cause more mental anguish than being imprisoned by your sworn enemy? To no longer be able to fight alongside your comrades for your country/cause. Living day after day, not knowing if you will ever be released from your bondage. Until we repent and cease holding people as POW’s the world will surely hate the United States of America!
Hey ET, by what you say there God will surely feel remorseful about the folks He condemns to Hell, and renounce it. Right?
24 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I mean God in the name of religion condemning people to eternal torment, some only being guilty of choosing a different god. If he expects anyone to want to have a relationship with him, he needs to apologize and adopt different practices. He must “change”, or else people are right to reject him. This is no way for the lone superpower of the universe to behave.
25 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh - God
See how uncaring and heartless he is!
26 Fred Sinclair // Apr 24, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I am strongly in favor of prosecuting War Criminals. 1st to come to mind would be Harry Reid who should brought to trial with a War Crimes Tribunal for his guilt in giving comfort and aid; abetting the enemy in time of war. A firing squad or life in prison at the very least. The same being appropriate for his gang of cohorts (at least a dozen or more) from the current occupant of the White House, the Speaker of the House, et al.
At the same time, the following legally elected, President of the United States should bestow upon ex-president George W. Bush the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian award, which recognizes exceptional meritorious service. President Bush will certainly qualify beyond question.
27 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 7:52 pm
See the scriptures Fred used. Doesn’t that sound unjust and mean? He should instead have gone from one place to another apologizing for he and his Father’s past behavior. I read where one time he opened up the Earth and people got swallowed up alive. I bet he is sorry for that one, probably if you look at the Sermon on the Mount closely enough you will find myriads of apologies to us poor helpless humans.
(I never realized now much I’ve wanted to use the word myriads until I did it for my first time ever on Scrappleface, the best blog in the land! A magnificent work wrought by the sweat of Master Ott’s brow, for which I am thankful.
28 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 7:54 pm
)
Exceedingly so.
29 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 24, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Almighty God does not “grade” on a curve.
John 5:24-27
30 R.A.M. // Apr 24, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Isn’t this what the libs complained Bush should have done before 9/11, then when he tried to do it to keep America safe after 9/11, —well intelligent people know how the libs reacted to his implementations of putting in place safeguards.
“DrivebyMeteor // Apr 24, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Everspellcheck?”
The troll only uses spellcheck on OTHER peoples posts, “it” doesn’t think “it” makes mistakes.
“It” has learned well from “Stumblebum (uhh-ahh) Obama”.
31 R.A.M. // Apr 24, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Shouldn’t Scrapplers be allowed to bring trolls before the courts for “torture”?
As much as this sounds like a joke, the libs would run with something as insane as this!
In fact, “hate crimes” and “broadcaster’s freedom doctrine” legislation is REAL CLOSE!
32 gafisher // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:29 pm
The generic lib “all @ and no cattle” troll serves as a sort of punctuation, cryptic little droppings which emphasize the meaning of what comes before and after. Exactly which punctuation mark is simulated depends on context; often it’s a logical …, and sometimes the poor things seem to be having their . but mostly they just act like an impacted :.
Anyone who equates discomfort to torture is in effect providing a defense to those who actually practice torture. Perhaps they do not realize this.
33 gafisher // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Fred Re#7, pardon my saying so but the time to dump the guy who cost America the last election was long ago. He’s a lot of things Obama isn’t — a war hero, a great Dad, an honest man, etc. — but one thing he’s got in common with B.O. is unfitness for the Presidency.
34 Newsman // Apr 24, 2009 at 10:43 pm
“At the same time, the following legally elected, President of the United States should bestow upon ex-president George W. Bush the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian award, which recognizes exceptional meritorious service. President Bush will certainly qualify beyond question.”
Exceptional meritorious service for George to authorize and sanction torture never mind seeing WMDs that weren’t there ?
BTW, are you aware that your beloved Ronald Reagan condemned the government’s use of torture … did you realize that Mr Fred ?
35 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I’ve said more than once that waterboarding is not torture. This is an undeniable fact.
So, what’s the issue?
36 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Funny how with a little twisting and perverting you can paint God as being evil in the same manner as the libs paint America to be. I suspect that many of the leftists actually believe that God is as bad as I’ve been painting him in my posts today. Once Satan gets a foot into their thought process, it only takes a tweak here and there to throw them way out of line. It’s sort of like shooting a gun, if you are only shooting a few feet, a little error will not cause you to miss the mark, but at 4 or 5 hundred yards, it may appear as though you didn’t bother to aim at all. The trolls here on the other hand are unable to hit the moose from 10 feet away…
37 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:22 pm
As per post # 11 by RedPepper (and other such similar posts) we also condemn torture.
38 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Do you prefer to have a 9/1 type attack on Los Angeles, or to waterboard KSM? Assume this to be an exclusive either or question and answer. If you think that the correct action is to allow for another 9/11 type attack, take into consideration that your immediate family is in the intended target of the attack. Are you absolutely sure that you don’t want to get the information that prevents the attack?
39 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Peraps if you chose the attack you should sit with people whose family members were caught on tape as they jumped from the WTC and discuss it with them. And you call Bush/Cheney evil…
40 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:39 pm
A rapist is in the first stage of attacking, raping, and them murdering your wife or sister. You are in the next room with a gun, but you decide it is immoral for you to kill. Your wife/sister knows you are there and could prevent it, but you won’t. How do suppose they feel about you as they are attacked?
41 mindknumbed kid // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:44 pm
A leader is morally obligated to protect his/her subjects.
42 Laughing@You // Apr 25, 2009 at 2:46 am
DrivebyMeteor
Spellcheck! Spellcheck, you say! I just spelled the wrong word correctly!
Out of kindness and a generous spirit, I do that fairly often so the two biggest simpletons here will have some sort of comeback. Sad to say, they have little else to contribute.
I think of them as like those who, in ancient times, obtained their living by gleaning the fields.
Its not really a handout, besides they are people too! Well, at least one of them, I think.
But, please don’t say anything to them about this.
Everthink?
43 Laughing@You // Apr 25, 2009 at 2:58 am
Say Goofy,
It’s leader is to follower, as king is to subject.
Understand now?
Everthink?
44 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 25, 2009 at 7:27 am
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.
Bob Dylan (1979)
Off-Topic Alert!
Way Cool Alert!
Dylan is going to be in concert in the next town over (Grand Prairie) in August. I and Mrs. 3rd intend to be there.
45 Laughing@You // Apr 25, 2009 at 11:45 am
“Do you prefer to have a 9/1 type attack on Los Angeles, or to waterboard KSM?”
If anyone else were to have ask that, I would think that person a smartalec, but I know there is nothing smart about you.
I am not going to address your hypothetical question, other than to say I know that is Mr. Cheney’s defense, at the moment. He claims that was exactly his choice. The people will show that the Dickster is lying!
The time line required for this to be true just isn’t there.
The people will also show, as much as he likes torture, his favorite thing is lying. Between the period beginning January 20th, 2001 and ending January 20th, 2009 he is believed, by some, to have lied over two million times, of course most of these lies were told to one exceptionally stupid and egotistical person. But, he also was able to lie to large numbers of glassy eyed folks who were not egotistical, but something almost religiously similar to being star struck.
Today, this latter group, most of whom believe themselves “military experts”, despite never having worn our country’s uniform. Now believe it is theirs to define “torture” in favor of former vice president “Porkchop”.
To them, I say, sorry Charlie, that has already been done by people who have done our nation proud by wearing its uniform.
You will have no more choice in this matter, than those who were waterboarded under the orders of the Undisclosed Cryptkeeper. Justice will be done even if you do threaten actions like those of Al-Qaeda or Timothy McVeigh.
Everthink?
46 R.A.M. // Apr 25, 2009 at 12:42 pm
JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 24, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I’ve said more than once that waterboarding is not torture. This is an undeniable fact.
So, what’s the issue?
Waterboarding pales in comparison to sitting through an “Obama Chat” on TV.
Maybe we should use that on them?
47 mindknumbed kid // Apr 25, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Chuckie, could you answer according to my stipulations?
Note: When I use my laptop it doesn’t like double letters or numbers - that is why I sometimes miss the second letter or number, I rarely proofread anything.
48 Laughing@You // Apr 26, 2009 at 11:07 pm
MNK,
Assuming your post 47 is for me, I will answer the second issue first.
When I included this quote it was not my purpose to point out your typing error! Especially, since I so frequently make typing errors myself.
In post 38 you ask, “Do you prefer to have a 9/1 type attack on Los Angeles, or to waterboard KSM? Assume this to be an exclusive either or question and answer.”
Now you ask, “Chuckie, could you answer according to my stipulations?”
Once again, I ask who do you think you are? What gives you the right do stipulate to me, and demand an answer! What are you going to do, waterboard me?
But, I will answer your question, if you will tell me weather you been arrested for beating your wife one, or two times?
“Assume this to be an exclusive either or question and answer.”
Everthink?
PS
Your question presupposes one thing to be related to the other. I do not believe this to be the case. I believe this to be, like the WMD issue, just Cheney’s “bull slinging”. I believe the answer will be proven soon.
49 Laughing@You // Apr 26, 2009 at 11:09 pm
whether
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