(2008-08-17) — The Saddleback Civil Forum Saturday night, hosted by best-selling author Pastor Rick Warren, was “utterly and shamelessly biased” toward Republican presidential nominee John McCain, according to a spokesman for the ‘Obama for America’ campaign.
Sen. Barack Obama, one of the two front runners for the Democrat presidential nomination, often seemed to stumble through his answers to Pastor Warren’s questions, continually glancing down to his right, with his head cocked at a 45-degree angle for nearly the entire hour.
Sen. McCain, on the other hand, gave crisp answers, looked directly at the television audience most of the time, and delivered what many pundits acknowledged was his best performance to date.
Pastor Warren asked each candidate the same set of questions, including “At what point is a baby entitled to human rights.?”
Answering that question would be “above my pay grade,” said Sen. Obama, who reported $4.2 million in household income in 2007.
When he was asked the same question, Sen. McCain immediately said, “At the moment of conception.”
That interchange clearly demonstrates how the event was biased against Sen. Obama, according to his spokesman.
“Of course McCain looked good,” the anonymous Obama aide said. “He didn’t have to worry about how his answer would be perceived. He didn’t have to work to recall his talking points. He didn’t have to think, or even try to look like he was thinking. All he had to do was blurt out what he believed. Clearly, this gave him an unfair advantage, and we think the American people will see this for what it is…another Republican smear tactic.”
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33 responses so far ↓
1 Beerme // Aug 17, 2008 at 10:09 am
It helps a candidate to actually believe in what they say; makes them look more sincere.
Now as long as they don’t ask McCain about how important his conservative principles are (amnesty for illegals , partnering with looney-tunes liberals, steadfastly refusing to hold the line against liberal blockades against up and down voting for judges, working to erode free speech in the election process, etc.), he is probably gonna be OK…
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3 MJFinSC // Aug 17, 2008 at 11:41 am
The Obama gang really learned their lessons well from the Clinton days. If you’re stumped, or at a loss for words, blame someone else.
When is someone going to come out with a “deck of race cards” like the deck for Iraq. Of course, with the amount of race cards used by Barry and his troops it would have to be at least a double deck.
4 mindknumbed kid // Aug 17, 2008 at 11:47 am
Well, he is our man…but can we trust him to be there for us AFTER the voting is done? Obama is a non-candidate, he speaks well when he reads from a teleprompter! I figured he took last week off for some intense coaching after his poor performances as of late, but if he did he needs a lot more work to convince the Lamestream fed masses to believe in him. Just wait till the Clintonistas get done with him at the Commvention…
5 Tinman // Aug 17, 2008 at 12:11 pm
For the first time in my adult life I am proud of our candidate McCain.
6 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 17, 2008 at 1:15 pm
BO lovers worldwide are ecstatic because McCain said the right things and BO didn’t.
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As expected, BO lost his faux-persona post haste and demonstrated-unequivocally and with pin-point accuracy-his utter ignorance on virtually every matter.
BO’s failure to perform his usual crowd-pleasing tap-dance routine (under [minimal] pressure) may have sealed The Hill & Bill Show’s bid for the Democrat Presidential Candidacy.
7 camojack // Aug 17, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Sen. Barack Obama, one of the two front runners for the Democrat presidential nomination, often seemed to stumble through his answers to Pastor Warren’s questions, continually glancing down to his right, with his head cocked at a 45-degree angle for nearly the entire hour.
Obama is just totally out of his depth when he has to ad lib.
Bummer…
8 da Bunny // Aug 17, 2008 at 2:30 pm
All of Obam-uuuhhh’s stuttering and stammering comes from his trying to recall what he’s said before combined with his consideration of who his “audience” is at any given moment. When one spends all their time lying to try to hide who they really are and pandering to get votes, they have no basic “truth” to fall back on when the questions come. He can’t rely on his “core” beliefs, because those are as anti-America and socialist as one can get…
9 RedPepper // Aug 17, 2008 at 2:48 pm
camojack: The phrase, “making it up as he goes along,†somehow seems appropriate …
10 camojack // Aug 17, 2008 at 3:18 pm
da Bunny // Aug 17, 2008 at 2:30 pm
All of Obam-uuuhhh’s stuttering and stammering comes from his trying to recall what he’s said before combined with his consideration of who his “audience†is at any given moment. When one spends all their time lying to try to hide who they really are and pandering to get votes, they have no basic “truth†to fall back on when the questions come. He can’t rely on his “core†beliefs, because those are as anti-America and socialist as one can get…
Well said. That pretty much sums up the crux of his difficulties, in the proverbial nutshell.
RedPepper // Aug 17, 2008 at 2:48 pm
camojack: The phrase, “making it up as he goes along,†somehow seems appropriate …
Yes, indeed…A.K.A. “ad libbing”.
(Emphasis on “lib”)
Oh, bummer…
11 Mack // Aug 17, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Before you can debate, you must first have a point of view. To do so is dangerous because it may differ from someone else and they may not like you. Obama speaks in generalities referring to concepts and ideas that are vague at best. He knows the adoring media will not push him on it so he is safe. He has people who produce his commercials much as all candidates do, he only has to identify himself and approve the message.
If undecided voters actually watch debates between the two, he will lose. He is banking on sound bite driven commercials to sweep him into office. If his target audience is as vacuous as some of the trolls around here he really has a shot.
Jack, we don’t need to “ad any more libs.†we got to many as it is.
12 camojack // Aug 17, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Mack // Aug 17, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Jack, we don’t need to “ad any more libs.†we got to many as it is.
Ain’t it the truth?
13 mindknumbed kid // Aug 17, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Perhaps Obam-uhhhs real problem is that in trying to be all things to every constituency he is trying to figure out just what he might say in order to not alienate or anger too many of them. The troll was all over me the last time I said that Obam-uhhh is not going to be able to govern because of all of the multiple positions of the various kooks making up the dim-dem party “base”.
John’s performance at Saddleback is encouraging, I was wondering if he really wanted to win when I heard the lib/dem running mates being floated around. I’m skeptical though, is he thinking his great performance will get him enough support from the rightminded wing that he can rush back to the “center”, or possibly go ahead with a Lieberman-ish veep. Don’t roll over too easily folks, let’s hold his feet to the fire. Talk is cheap and easy, actions on the other hand…
14 RedPepper // Aug 17, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Hope.
“Hope I can keep ‘em in a coma ’til November 5th …”
/O-baaa-ma !
15 mindknumbed kid // Aug 17, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Now that takes audacity…
16 Mack // Aug 17, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Neverthink:
In answer to your two questions on the last thread.
Yes I did and no I wouldn’t read Obama’s book any more than I would waste money to see Michael Moore film, but I have read the Quaran and the Book of Mormon and the Bible.
The Quaran would call Obama an Apostate and would require loyal muslims to kill him. Wonder why they don’t seem to mind him running?
17 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 17, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Quote of the day:
18 Darthmeister // Aug 17, 2008 at 9:07 pm
It’s amazing to me how liberals can whine about how unfair debates because they are being asked “unfair questions” that can’t be forthrightly answered without making them look like some cold-blooded leftist kook.
Gotta hand it to Obamessiah though, he certainly has cut down on the “uhs” and that deer-caught-in-headlights look as his formerly drug addled mind is trying to come up with some kind of highly parsed answer that will placate the radical counter-cultural kooks in the Demoncrat Party while at the same time wow lesser informed Americans with meaningless nuance.
The reason Obummer is unable to give a direct answer to the abortion question is pretty much as he says … it’s above his pay scale. Given that this guy is barely qualified to run as a dog catcher in some backwater Mississippi berg, he was closer to the truth than he knew.
BTW, once again this leftist demagogue outright lied on two fronts concerning the abortion question. He claimed abortion rates were going up the last eight years when in fact they have been coming down. Second, he claimed to be “pro-choice” and not “pro-abortion. For once I wish someone would ask this demagogue if he’s for Second Amendment choice, school voucher choice, privatized social security account choice, drilling choice, etc. Once he answers “no” to those questions then it becomes pretty clear that he is indeed a liar and is not really pro-choice but rather pro-abortion … just like our resident troll.
19 RedPepper // Aug 17, 2008 at 9:30 pm
JL3: In a number of ways, McCain’s choice of a running mate is almost beside the point. McCain has summed it up fairly well himself : “The vice president has two duties. One is to inquire daily as to the health of the president, and the other is to attend the funerals of third world dictators.â€
He left out the part about casting the deciding vote in the Senate in case of a tie.
I don’t want John McCain choosing the next Republican party candidate - one way or the other! Unfortunately, there has to be someone to succeed to the Presidency if the incumbent dies in office.
If it were not for that factor, I would almost prefer a man like Lieberman in that slot; Joe is a pretty good man, and since he would never be considered as a potential party nominee in the normal course of things, that would leave a future choice more open than it might otherwise be. Whatever. I think it’s unlikely to alter the outcome of the ‘08 race, in any case.
20 RedPepper // Aug 17, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Darthmeister #18: Hello there , Darth!
I’m having difficulty coming up with any area of life, other than sexual (& related) issues, in which libs encourage us peons to make “choices.†Their motto seems to be, “That which is not forbidden is mandatory.â€
21 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 17, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Saturday night, at the first (perceived) opportunity to act Christian, BO smugly blurted Matthew 25:40 and demonstrated, once-and-for-all, his flawed interpretation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
BO gave me the distinct impression that he was quite proud to proclaim that Bible study is “above his pay grade.”
BO’s “Entourage of Fools” now feels tainted by proxy due to his close proximity to worshipers of Almighty God. This elitist mob (the EoF) is certain that the “mythical” presence of the Holy Spirit zapped his mind and stripped him of all pretense; you know, tried to make him be honest which is why he spent half his time struggling for words.
He’s like an android with some really low-tech AI modules; a random Socialist Propaganda Cliche Generator. Apparently, there’s a glitch when the tap-dancing plug-in is set to TRUE while the ’droid is seated and attempting to generate.
22 mindknumbed kid // Aug 17, 2008 at 10:38 pm
RedPepper- It is indicative of who McCain is if he goes with someone such as Lieberman. He does a lot of things that say he is not conservative, so if elected will he really appoint the type of Justices that he claims he will appoint? It is also more likely for him to assume room temp at his age than most other men elected in the past. Otherwise it isn’t an issue who he picks. I think it was Hannity that I heard speculating whether or not he would appoint the type of Justices that he is saying that he would, seeing as they would in all likelihood overturn McCain/Feingold, etc. He is the only candidate we can vote FOR, but I am still wondering if I can trust him to do anything that he says when it comes to conservative issues. The war, yes I believe he will continue to fight for victory. Tax policy I believe he will do good there too. The rest he has to prove himself to me on, so a rock solid conservative would go a long way to easing my mind about his intentions.
23 PanamaRed // Aug 17, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Listening to the pundits afterwards, there were several references to Sen. Obie’s answers as “nuanced”. Is that liberal code wording for confused, evasive, ignorant or just “winging it?”
Then, I realized there were no teleprompters and in a flash it came unto me….this guy has no clue what he really believes in that he can say in public as he would never get elected, not even as dog catcher. The man is an empty suit and it shows when he has no handlers to watch over him.
24 myword // Aug 17, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Good one Tinman #5
The Obamess is suffering from The Audacity of Hype.
25 RedPepper // Aug 18, 2008 at 12:01 am
mkk #21: I share your concerns, kid, but the thing that I worry most about is what the House & Senate are going to look like on Nov. 5th. Every Republican president that I can remember has had to face the temptation posed by “the art of the possible” - i.e., realistically, what can you actually hope to pass through Congress & what compromises are you willing to make to accomplish such deals? IIRC, every one of them succumbed to those temptations, also …
Of course, if Obama is elected, we won’t have to wrestle with such terrible problems … now, will we!
26 Mack // Aug 18, 2008 at 2:09 am
It never fails, writing a witty bit of prose and the bleeping pager goes off. EMS is not for the faint of heart.
At any rate. This sat in Microsoft word for more than an hour and was still up when I got back to it. It must be meant to be.
Red Pepper #20 nails it in simple unarguable fashion. Seriously
In one of the last posts our pal Neverthink attempted to tell me that the ACLU and other liberal mouth pieces are not trying to infringe on our rights to practice Christian faith. He / she / it went so far as to post the 1st Amendment to the constitution. I found that ironic in that the Constitution never seems to matter to liberals.
If it did they wouldn’t think of passing gun laws because of the 2nd Amendment. As I stated earlier, the problem with Obama is that he is nice about it. He is less offensive when he tells us we are to stupid to manage our own retirement and health care. He and people like Nancy Pelosi need to manage it all for us.
They need to punish the people who provide goods and services to us like the oil companies who fuel our cars and insurance companies that allow us to pay pennies on the dollar for the best health care in the world.
Like Jimmy Carter, they too will sooner or later have to cave in and let us produce our own fuel. Carter had to cave and allow the ALaskan Pipeline. If Pelosi and the other Democrats don’t make similar concessions with ANWAR they will relieve us anyway. They will be voted out of power in the next election.
The only question is whether or not the damage they do can be repaired before it happens.
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28 Libby Gone // Aug 18, 2008 at 7:40 am
Soon to be President John McCain won my vote, finally.
I seriously considered writing in Mr. Ott. He makes more sense than people above MY PAY GRADE!
“At conception”, is it really that hard to fathom?
29 Hawkeye // Aug 18, 2008 at 8:16 am
I was particularly impressed with Barack’s choices for advice during an Obama administration: his wife, his grandmother, and a bunch of other guys…
30 mindknumbed kid // Aug 18, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Maybe that is why he cannot show any sign of leadership, his wife and granny wear the pants in his personal and spiritual life, Hillary wears the pantsuit in his political life. Instead of electing him as president why not let the dems appoint the ones he looks to as a presidential committee with BO as the committee chief?
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