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Will McCain Give Red-Meat Speech
When He’s in Front of Vegetarians?
by Scott Ott for ScottOtt.Townhall.com
Sen. John McCain went to a beef producers convention yesterday, and gave a red meat speech. A cattle farmer in the crowd, remarked to his brother, “I’d like to hear him give that same talk at a
convention of vegetarians.”
Actually, it was a cluster of conservative political activists who listened as Sen. McCain spoke passionately of strong borders, devotion to the rule of law, strict-constructionist judges, free-market health care, lower taxes, vigorous cost cutting, the death of sneaky earmarks, and his strong suit, an aggressive national defense policy.
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96 responses so far ↓
1 camojack // Feb 8, 2008 at 8:20 am
Where’s the tofu?
2 Hawkeye // Feb 8, 2008 at 8:31 am
A rib-eye sounds pretty good right now. I’m drooling in expectation, but fear I’ll be served a veggie-burger instead. sigh…
3 Libby Gone // Feb 8, 2008 at 9:48 am
Don’t eat the Soylent Green!
WV: chases wide, Big tent crowd Mclame seeks.
4 camojack // Feb 8, 2008 at 9:49 am
Hawkeye // Feb 8, 2008 at 8:31 am
A rib-eye sounds pretty good right now. I’m drooling in expectation, but fear I’ll be served a veggie-burger instead. sigh…
Know what? I’m going to go get a side of scrapple with my breakfast! Half cornmeal, the other half…well, never mind.
5 CalGirl // Feb 8, 2008 at 10:23 am
This is the most dispiriting presidential election I ever remember.
But a rib-eye for brekkie sounds good.
6 boberinyetagain // Feb 8, 2008 at 10:54 am
Ribeye? Sure…
Scrapple…not so much
7 Fred Sinclair // Feb 8, 2008 at 11:29 am
o.t. - WALKER Texas Ranger, Chuck Norris
quote “The gun is the problem, not the solution.”
Just a little quip sandwiched into the wording of a very popular tv show. Isn’t this what we used to call brainwashing?
Now it’s Social Engineering?
Heirborn Ranger
8 Fred Sinclair // Feb 8, 2008 at 12:11 pm
If like truth in advertising, we could have truth in politics, it might have read a bit different.
“McCain spoke passionately of no more borders, total disregard for the rule of law, strict anti-constructionist judges, an end to free -market health care, the imposition of mandatory participation in National Health Care, new and higher taxes, vigorous enactment of more entitlement programs, the birth of new and even sneakier, greater earmarks all the while wearing my best suit, an aggressive national defense policy.”
Heirborn Ranger
9 camojack // Feb 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm
boberinyetagain // Feb 8, 2008 at 10:54 am
Ribeye? Sure…
Scrapple…not so much
Well, I liked it.
10 Hawkeye // Feb 8, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Camo #4,
Mmmmm… Scrapple!
BTW, thanks for introducing it to me. I really do like it!
11 da Bunny // Feb 8, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I found McCain’s speech in front of the CPAC crowd to be as lame and pandering as he is. He did a good deal of stumbling over the words, as well. Now, Mitt Romney’s speech was fantastic and inspiring! He was on fire and spoke with conservative conviction. The wrong man bowed out yesterday…
12 boberinyetagain // Feb 8, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Camo,
It’s OK, if it were here in front of me i’d likely eat some, perhaps all but, I’m not going out of my way to get it…had it too often as a kid, parents seemed real fond…
wv=parts imposition…and parts isn’t??
13 gafisher // Feb 8, 2008 at 1:01 pm
daB Re#11: “The wrong man bowed out yesterday…”
Romney “suspended” his campaign, he didn’t end it. He hasn’t conceded, and he hasn’t endorsed. The State committees decide at the Convention what to do with his delegates if he doesn’t un-suspend it before ballotting begins there, but technically he’s still in the race.
14 Hawkeye // Feb 8, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Nothing to say, but couldn’t ignore the Captcha thingy…
Washington arless — than what we need!
15 da Bunny // Feb 8, 2008 at 1:19 pm
gafisher re: #13…you are correct, so I guess there’s still a glimmer of hope, huh?
16 gafisher // Feb 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Balkenbrij is the Dutch version of scrapple, and it’s a big hit around here. (I like it fried with eggs on the side; my wife prefers it with lots of corn syrup.)
When it comes to red meat, though, you sure wouldn’t run to the guy who fought to toughen the Brady Bill. I’d prefer the guy with a longstanding record of protecting 2nd Amendment rights both domestically and from international interference. (Video HERE.)
wv = Grillparzer Jessie — chef who parzes red meat on the grill.
17 EXT // Feb 8, 2008 at 3:22 pm
As I think on it….
“Suspending” might be a pretty good idea. Consider McCain’s age.
Consider how many months between now and November.
A “suspended” campaign can be brought back to life and be awarded delegates from a candidate more permanently out of the race.
Something here to pray for!
18 RedPepper // Feb 8, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Red meat?
I’m reminded of a cartoon I saw years ago. Might have been “Peanuts”. Anyhow, a young boy is sitting at the kitchen table, staring at his dish with a look of disgust on his face, and he says, “Well, I say it’s spinach, and I say the hell with it!”
19 Darthmeister // Feb 8, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Should prove an interesting seven months until November.
Like the little old lady used to say on the Wendy’s commercial: HEY, WHERE’S THE BEEF?*
White Castleâ„¢ soy burgers anyone?
*Be sure and click the link for a trip back to yesteryear!
20 gafisher // Feb 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm
RedPepper Re#18: I doubt you’d ever find that in a Peanuts cartoon.
Actually, it’s from The New Yorker, the December 8, 1928 issue, by cartoonist Carl Rose. You can see it here.
21 da Bunny // Feb 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm
The “red meat” McCain is offering is a Cube Steak full of gristle and fat. Tough to chew and tougher to swallow. Give me a Filet Mignon [Romney], a T-bone [Thompson], or a New York Strip [Guiliani]. I don’t want a Hamburger, big on the Ham [Huckabee] or a weenie [Paul].
[...now I'm hungry...]
22 RedPepper // Feb 8, 2008 at 5:49 pm
gafisher #20: I stand corrected. Thank you. Clearly, my memory has gone the way of the old gray mare. Next stop, the glue factory …
23 Darthmeister // Feb 8, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Spinach? RedPepper, are you saying Popeye wouldn’t vote for McCain? WWPD? Quit being a Wimpy!
24 RedPepper // Feb 8, 2008 at 6:43 pm
McCain will gladly promise to act like a Conservative tomorrow for a vote today …
fwiw: reCaptcha = diabolical He ; RedPepper is not making this up!
25 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 8, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I can’t wait until 2012-imagine what a media circus that’ll be-there’s campaigning going on already.
Wee.
26 joelodom // Feb 8, 2008 at 7:32 pm
There’s no way I’d vote McCain.
27 mindknumbed kid // Feb 8, 2008 at 8:17 pm
It was a speech, only a speech, and who made the speech? A career policician. What is a synonym for politician ? How about liar…yeah, that works for me. McSham man has a real life record, and if he wanted to run as a bonafide real life conservative he should have been one day in and day out, but he didn’t do it, he may have even seriously considered being the JoKe’s running mate, I can’t tell how much consideration he gave the idea, but if the JoKe wanted him I don’t think we need old John now. I thought I could hold my nose and vote against the liberal God hating democrat, but it is going to take some doing, if we end up getting him over them are we really getting anything worth having? It is one sorry mess we are being served up, who can think of food at a time like this ?
28 mindknumbed kid // Feb 8, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Pushing along….
29 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 8, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Q: How can you tell when a politician is lying?
A: His lips are moving.
30 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 8, 2008 at 10:45 pm
re# 5 Good to hear from ya again Cal Girl.
I guess there is little to say that hasn’t been said already except let them eat cake.
wv: 20 pink-a gay bar?
31 Fred Sinclair // Feb 8, 2008 at 10:48 pm
DbM - shouldn’t that answer read
“His/Her lips are moving.”
Heirborn Ranger
32 CalGirl // Feb 9, 2008 at 12:20 am
I drop by now and again, MsRW, but hardly have time to post. I want to stop going to work, but when I suggested it I was told that I’d stop getting paid if I did that.
Rats.
33 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 6:05 am
Weirder than I thought. I use dogpile for everything. Researching, I entered just part of a quote from Robert Heinlin. I entered “vote themselves cake and champagne” - in return I got:
“Iowa Editor Sorry GOP Debate Got Mired in Issues
“When the people find out that they can not only vote themselves cake and champagne but force you to pay for it as wellÂ…..they will”. Heirborn Ranger …
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2815 [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search, Ask.com]” - Along with a complete printout of that days ScrappleFace.
Part of something I posted back on Dec. 18, 2007 - Conclusion? dogpile is a lot, in face a whole lot, better than I thought.
Heirborn Ranger
34 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:54 am
MY BAD - should have been “in fact” not “in face”.
Heirborn Ranger
35 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:58 am
Fred Re#33: The New Microsoft-Yahoo would have found the post you were about to write. Well, that’s what Bill Gates would promise, anyway.
wv: have fare — Required of reporters who want to board the Straight Talk Express.
36 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:02 am
CalGirl Re#32: “I want to stop going to work, but when I suggested it I was told that I’d stop getting paid if I did that.”
Obama promises to fix that if you meet the qualifications.
37 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:11 am
MSNBC is a generally Clinton Friendly Zone, which makes the current flap over an anchor’s tasteless comment about Chelsea all the more difficult to understand. Unless … was the MSNBC remark an intentional setup for reintroducing the issue of John McCain’s even more tasteless 1998 joke?
38 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:33 am
Fred Re#33: I have no doubt Heinlein probably said that, obviously predicated on Alexis De Tocqueville’s 1835 prediction that “America will last until the populace discovers that it can vote for itself largesse out of the public treasury.” However, I haven’t been able to track it down specifically in Heinlein’s work (of which I’ve read most or all).
Do you happen to know the book or story where RAH said that?
39 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:40 am
gafisher,
If the comment had been made about George Bush’s daughters Jena or Barbara, David Shuster would have been given a Pulitzer Prize or an Edward R. Murrow Award - particularly if he also mentioned Barbara likes drinking alcohol from time to time.
Now we see what’s going to happen to the whole idea of “freedom of the press” under a Clinton Regime II.
40 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 9, 2008 at 9:27 am
The usage of select slang terms is reserved for select people and such usage must be adulated by civilized society (no matter how repulsed by these terms they might be).
Usage of the aforementioned “select terms” by non-select “others”, on the other hand, must be harshly condemned as the despicable, heinous, barbaric, pagan and, even, felonious acts of psychotic, amoral sub-humanoid deviants.
Thank you
41 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 9:47 am
BTW, I loved reading Robert Heinlein as a yute. One of the best novels he ever wrote was, “Tunnel in the Sky.” It was a veritable survivalist handbook set in a future where high-tech transporter “gates” could humans to virtually any inhabitable planet in the galaxy.
I also liked:
Rocket Ship Galileo (1947)
Beyond This Horizon (1948)
Red Planet (1949)
Farmer in the Sky (1950)
The Puppet Masters (1951)
Have Spacesuit - Will Travel (1958)
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress (1966)
… and of course his classics, “Starship Troopers” (1959) and “Stranger in a Strange Land” (1961)
Robert Heinlein was also a big time Second Amendment supporter who made this rather prescient observation, “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” Clearly he would condemn liberal socialism or nanny statism since life under such left-wing totalitarianism tramples underfoot the notions of personal accountability, people conducting themselves according to the moral law of God, and utterly abandons general commonsense laws and imposes endless layers of legalism in order to micro-regulate every citizen’s life - nanny statism at its worst.
Heinlein was a big-time Second Amendment supporter who gave us the following gems:
“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
“There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men [and women].”
“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors… and miss.
“I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”
“Never insult anyone by accident.”
“Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.” (Think neo-coms here)
“There are two kinds of people, those who run their own lives as ethically as they can and those who want the government to run them.”
“The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.”
Heinlein’s died in 1988. His personal cynicism toward faith and “religion” was probably regrettable, but his cynicism would also extend to the new and rising religion of liberal socialism if he were alive today. Heinlein was a virulent anti-socialist/anti-communist. He believed in the American can-do spirit and that man was created to be free from the entanglements of statism.
42 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 9:50 am
Drats. Should read … “where high-tech transporter gates could SEND humans…”
Where’s the java?
43 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 9:51 am
… a stobor ate my correction!
44 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 11:26 am
gafisher - I have most all of his books. The only one I’ve read seven times is where this quote comes from - “Time Enough For Love” which I consider his finest - in addition, in the center of the book is a tiny (ittle bitty) book named “The Tale of the Adopted Daughter” - to this day, I consider it to be the best story I’ve ever read. (outside the Bible, that is.)
Heirborn Ranger
45 RedPepper // Feb 9, 2008 at 11:45 am
gafisher, Darthmeister, Fred: Don’t forget Methuselah’s Children. And, of course, many, many individual short stories … such as The Menace From Earth, The Year of the Jackpot, and Water Is For Washing.
46 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 11:48 am
Bambi, a blonde in her fourth year as a UCLA Freshman, sat in her US Government class. The professor asked Bambi if she knew what Roe vs. Wade was about.
Bambi pondered the question; then, finally, said, ‘That was the decision George Washington had to make before he crossed the Delaware.’
Heirborn Ranger
47 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 9, 2008 at 12:23 pm
48 RedPepper // Feb 9, 2008 at 12:40 pm
JamesonLewis3rd: I have a question I want to ask you, and some info I’d like to pass along to you. Could you email me at publius@rock.com so I can get back to you?
49 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I’m currently reading the newest — and oldest — Heinlein novel, “For Us The Living,” a very interesting book both because it is authentic Heinlein, filled with all the political, scientific, and social ideas he brought to his writing, but also because Heinlein appears to have used this previously unpublished novel, his first, as a sort of “sourcebook” for almost everything he later brought to print.
Fred, thanks for the reference re the RAH quote.
By the way, Jerry Pournelle (another Fred Head) has picked up at least a corner of the Heinlein mantle, writing a great deal of The Great One’s politics into his fiction — and even some of his non-fiction — books.
50 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Incidentally, before the lights go out and the Reading Club goes home, Heinlein makes a significant appearance as a very in-character character in Paul Malmont’s excellent The Chinatown Death Cloud Peril, a tremendously fun book I highly recommend.
51 RedPepper // Feb 9, 2008 at 5:16 pm
gafisher: If you’ll send me an email (see #48, above), you might also be interested in the info I sent along to JL3.
52 everthink // Feb 9, 2008 at 5:22 pm
So this turkey says to the other turkeys:
“Should prove an interesting seven months until November.
Like the little old lady used to say on the Wendy’s commercial: HEY, WHERE’S THE BEEF?*
White Castleâ„¢ soy burgers anyone?”
And they all laughed out loud, as if they didn’t know.
ET
53 egospeak // Feb 9, 2008 at 5:22 pm
I’ve never read “Starship Troopers” but I’ve listened to “Starship Trooper” off the YES ALBUM many times. Does that count?
Regards,
54 egospeak // Feb 9, 2008 at 5:29 pm
ET,
When you say “this turkey” are you referring to yourself? Because if you are, it’s the first time I’ve ever agreed with you.
Regards,
55 everthink // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Egospeak
I simply made more of a joke the remarks made by the biggest “GOPbler” here.
You know, the one who hopes Dumbyah is going to pardon him on the 14th.
A strange bird called by several names, but a birdbrain none the less.
ET
56 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:26 pm
gafisher - In “The Tale of the Adopted Daughter” he started and ran the bank (and printed the money) in the frontier town, as the town grew the liberals met and voted to Nationalize the bank.
He smiled, shrugged and walked out. Then after their takeover they were screaming, “Where’s the money??? Calmly he told them, “I burned it of course. I printed it, stood behind it and when you took over, I had no further obligation, so I devalued what remained in circulation by 100%. Now you go print your own money.” They were quickly on their knees begging him to take the bank back. Of curse, he refused, and left leaving them caught in their own boondoggle.
The story is a masterpiece of thwarting liberals and/or Socialism.
Heirborn Ranger
57 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:52 pm
gafisher - Thank you. I just now talked with Barns and Noble, they are holding their one copy of “For Us the Living” and I noted my copy of “Time Enough…” is missing I also ordered another copy. I’ll have a friend pick them up tomorrow. Over the years I figure to have loaned that one out several times. (Someday, I hope I’ll learn, maybe?)
Heirborn Ranger
58 RedPepper // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Hmmm.
Huckabee beats McCain in Kansas by better than 2 to 1.
No-mentum is alive and well in the heartland.
59 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Fred Re#57: As an optimist, I like to figure an unreturned book is one that was too well appreciated to give back, while buying a replacement encourages the publisher, sort of a win-win in the intellectual sense.
60 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:38 pm
McCain supporters can find comfort in the fact that he beat Ron Paul by over 2:1 in the Kansas GOP Primary, and wallopped Romney by a staggering 7:1.
McCain - 4587
Paul - 2182
Romney - 653
Huckabee - 11627
61 everthink // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Ron Paul is, and was, the only conservative running!
ET
62 gafisher // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Fred Re#56: Of course, that’s sort of a synopsis of Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” and much of her philosophy. Rand took a much more clinical approach while Heinlein was much more realistic (I think) about such concepts as altruism and honest — not foolish — self-sacrifice, but both wrote that one’s ultimate personal responsibility is to honest, frank self-interest.
I always figured that if you went to dinner with Heinlein, he might buy but he’d expect a worthwhile discussion in return. Dinner with Rand would be “Dutch” at best.
63 egospeak // Feb 9, 2008 at 9:45 pm
ET,
All kidding aside, we have more in common than you might think. I too look forward to Jan 20, 2009, but I do so in the hope (apparently vain) that a true conservative might be elected in the fall.
You are right about Ron Paul although it might be better to refer to him as a constitutionalist rather than a conservative because although conservatives are more loyal to the Constitution as written than liberals, we have already ceded certain arguments (allowing the existence of the nanny state being the biggest) to liberalism and it is unlikely that we can ever completely turn back from them. The best conservatives can hope for is to get them under some form of control so that they don’t destroy the budget and America in the process.
Ron Paul, as a constitutionalist, would make the argument that all this nannystateism needs to be rolled back, and we both know that in this entitlementminded society that we have today that is not going to happen.
Even though McCain is the presumptive nominee, I am considering voting for Paul on Tuesday despite my disagreement with him over his isolationist foreign policy views. I actually sent him some money back in the 90’s when he was running for Congress after he was redistricted out of his seat. Paul probably would have been my candidate of choice from the beginning were it not for his isolationism.
I cannot in good conscience vote for McCain, until or unless his actions match his words at CPAC and I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen. I will not vote for Hillary or Obama in November but I will vote, I just won’t cast a vote for President.
Regards,
BTW, I harbor no illusions of Paul winning anything Tuesday, I’ll be surprised if he gets more than 5% of the vote.
64 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Heinlein, Pournelle, and the ever eclectic Andre Norton (AKA Andrew North AKA Allen Weston) were definitely some of my favorites. I didn’t realize Norton was a female sci-fi author until I was 18 or so. I think she passed away just a couple of years ago. I thought her best novels were “The Stars Are Ours”, “Star Flight”, “Galactic Derelict”, “Plague Ship”, and “The Crossroads of Time.” I was ambivalent about her fantasy works.
If ya get a chance read Barry Sadler’s (former Green Beret) “Casca” series. Casca was the name of the main character who was an eternal mercenary because as a Roman soldier, at the foot of the Cross of Christ, he was splashed with the savior’s blood and received human immortality. He would live as an immortal man until the Second Coming.
Casc wandered the planet from one era to the next doing the thing he knew best, being a soldier. And every time he was “killed” he resurrected after a couple of days, his body still bearing the physical scars of combat, changed his identity and lived another lifetime as a soldier. He could speak virtually every modern language as well as ancient Persian, several Germanic tongues, Latin (of course), Greek, Old English, etc. I think Sadler wrote the first five or six Casca novels and then farmed out the rest to other authors.
Another good book series is by William Johnstone, his “Out of the Ashes” collection. Johnstone’s Tri-State Manifesto is a very attractive, commonsense proposal for civilization with minimal government regulation. People took ownership of their lives and protection and the magistrates would only be brought in if there was a dispute of the facts of the case. Underachievers, criminals, drifters, and moochers were not tolerated and were turned out of civil society to fend for themselves - either learning the lessons of good citizenship and personal survival or dying because of their own lazy stupidity. This did not apply to those truly sick, suffered from debilitating infirmaties or were mentally incompetent. The Manifesto is a must read for anyone who likes of the idea of having the most liberty possible within a very ethical social framework.
65 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Hmmm, Obama won a couple of more states. If this Obamamania keeps up, the liberal socialist cult will get their messiah after all and sHrillary will be little more than a spurned woman! And Hell hath no fury like a spurned Jezebel.
I guess the neo-coms should start practicing their hosannahs. You know: “All Hail Obama, America’s Lord and Savior who will heal our land.”
“Speech, speech … bless us with your words of hope, words about ‘change’! Tell us how you will bring utopia to America, heal all wounds, unite all Americans under the banner of love and compassion, and bring peace on Earth starting in Kenya!”
Just think, no more crime, no more hunger, everybody makes a
50K100K a year, no more war, no more terrorist attempts at killing Americans because Obama will love them all to the path of righteousness! I wonder if he can forgive sin, too? Who would have imagined such a Second Coming in our lifetime, and a very “progressive” one at that. None of this ruling with an iron scepter in one hand and a sword in the other stuff with this guy. Uhn, uhn, he’ll slay America’s enemies with his rhetoric and bring an entitlement check to every family before his reign is over. Nothing like the security of being wards of the state.66 Darthmeister // Feb 9, 2008 at 10:33 pm
… Obama ate my post.
67 Fred Sinclair // Feb 9, 2008 at 11:38 pm
For many,many years the Negroes have complained (and rightly enough) about being on the wrong side of discrimination.
Now, the latest news says that they are over 50 % of the voters in some places. Which I find quite a puzzle. Why would they go and vote on racial basis for one certain contender of mixed race who is on record as backing an agenda which has as it’s purpose to place everyone under the totally controlling thumb of Socialists Masters.
Whose form of slavery is in many ways far worse than the slavery from which their forebears were emancipated. To volunteer to return to an altered variant of slavery makes no sense.
Of course if we could be a nation of sensible people, Duncan Hunter would already be President. We had the story the other day about how to catch wild pigs. - Some Americans have been feeding at the trough for so long that they see their only hope is to vote for the free feed flinger. Ergo - Obama or Mrs. Bill Clinton.
Heirborn Ranger
68 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 12:34 am
Obama owes little of his current political popularity to the matter of race, far less, certainly, than Hillary owes to her sex. Politics today is largely a contest of promulgating one’s opponents’ failings, missteps and unpopular policies. In this climate, with virtually no experience or record, Obama is the tabla rasa, the blank slate upon which voters can project their hopes with no opposing history to contradict them.
If he’s elected he won’t be able to deliver on the expectations he has raised, but of course the failures will be blamed on the Republicans.
69 everthink // Feb 10, 2008 at 12:34 am
Hang in there egospeak,
I agree, it is likely, we have far more in common than we have differences, I believe we want the same end; we only differ in how to achieve it.
It would serve OUR nation better, if we just stopped listening to those who profit from our division.
ET
70 everthink // Feb 10, 2008 at 1:18 am
In Barry Sadler’s “Ballad of The Green Berets”, the dying trooper plead:
“Put wings of silver on my son’s chest, make him one of America’s best.â€
http://www.brownielocks.com/balladofthegreenberetsWAVE.html
Will you ever stop kibitzing, and ante up?
ET
71 Darthmeister // Feb 10, 2008 at 9:17 am
Profit from our division? Looks like the liberal Democrats have been doing that in spades since 9/11, aided and abetted by their accomplices in the lamestream media. Never has a political party profited from the very division they’ve sown among their countrymen. Party above country, that’s the new motto of the Demoncrat Party. That much is undeniable despite all the liberal sophistry and smoke and mirrors to the contrary.
Oh, oh, looks like sHrillary is on a crying jag again. I’m sure those are tears of kool-aid.
There is a certain irony that a man who is considered by liberals to be “black” is actually a product of a Kenyan Muslim and a Kansas white atheist, neither of whom ever had any family stake in the “my-great-great-grandaddy-was-a-slave” schtick. Yet, to Democrats he’s a “black” man, the product of American slavery now rising in triumphalism in racist America to lead his people to the promised land. What a lie.
But then the irony deepens when one considers Obama seems more than willing to sell those who presently genuflect at his feet into another form of slavery, slavery on the liberal socialist plantation.
Welcome to plantation Amerika, where liberals have your life planned out from cradle to grave and tell you what to think through their agenda of political correctness. The Demoncrat Party is truly turning into a self-righteous religio-political cult, a very dangerous one at that.
72 Darthmeister // Feb 10, 2008 at 9:25 am
From Libertarian Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit:
IS BARACK OBAMA THE MESSIAH?
UPDATE: Reader Clyde Spicer emails: “I’ve seen this before, only the last time, the part was played by Roger Daltrey. The whole thing reminds me of the holiday camp scene in ‘Tommy’. Obama’s theme song should have been The Who’s ‘I’m A Sensation’.”
Roger Daltrey had better hair.
73 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 9:28 am
The Primaries are about ideas, not individuals; about principles, not people. As long as Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee remain in the Republican race, Conservatives will have the opportunity to express their views. Peace is more than just the absence of opposition; until and perhaps even at the Convention, debate — the clear airing and open discussion of the significant differences between candidates as well as Party and voters — is a much better alternative for all of us than simply lining up behind a candidate few really want.
Appreciation is due all the Candidates in Saturday’s Republican Primaries for vigorously representing the views, ideas and principles of those whose votes they won. Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul might not win the Republican Nomination, but by continuing to bring their issues before the voters they will at least help shape the debate. John McCain is unlikely to have “adjusted” his positions as far or as often he has if Mitt Romney, Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, and of course Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee had not metaphorically held his feet to the fire.
Congratulations to Ron Paul for a respectable showing, to John McCain for a tight race, and to Governor Mike Huckabee for winning two of the three Feb. 9 GOP Primaries and a photo-finish in the third. Democracy is alive and well and living in the Republican Party.
74 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 9:46 am
“[Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers.” [Chris Matthews]
Darth Re#72 and the above quote from the site you linked: Obama seems to have answers, but carefully avoids giving them — even in the debates, his standard response runs along the lines of “we can do better” or “we can do more” or the all-purpose answer, “we can bring change.” By saying nothing, Obama can seem to be “all things to all people.”
His
Disciples, er, voters will be sorely disappointed if he’s elected.75 Darthmeister // Feb 10, 2008 at 10:21 am
You’re absolutely right, gafisher. That’s the running joke, that Obama makes all these promises cleverly couched in soaring (but empty) rhetoric. The man has no clue how to accomplish the things he promises except having the fundamental belief it will be nanny government which will bring these “changes” about.
I wonder when
OsamaOsama will throw out the reparations redmeat to the black voters? On second thought, he probably doesn’t need to do that since he has the black vote in his hip pocket. If he started talking reparations he would mostly certainly scare off many non-black voters who aren’t brain-dead yet.One fails to see the morality of making whites whose families never owned slaves, immigrants and their children, or blacks from African nations, Jamaica, etc, pay for reparations. As far as I’m concerned any and all “reparations” were paid for by the blood of the men who died on the battlefields of the War Between the States. Slavery may not have been the cause of that great and terrible war, but it was certainly the occasion for the war. At no other time in human history did a nation engage in “civil war” to liberate slaves in their midst. Enough blood was spilt in the “Civil War” to satisfy most reasonable people … excepting, of course, whacked out barking moonbats whose insanity we have to suffer today.
76 RedPepper // Feb 10, 2008 at 10:23 am
Heresy!
The one true Prophet is Algore!
77 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 11:33 am
RedPepper Re#76: Obama’s claiming something more than prophet …
“There is no nanny but ‘bamy,
and Algore is his prophet …”
78 Fred Sinclair // Feb 10, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Michelle Malkin, Author, Syndicated Columnist, Regarding the USMC and the Berkeley (CA) City Council:
“The troop-bashers in Berkeley are at it once more. But this time, the rest of America lashed back. Message to the Left Coast: It’s not the 1960s anymore.
“On Jan. 29, the Berkeley city council passed several measures targeting the lone Marine recruitment office in town. …
“In another decade, Berkeley would have gotten away with this intolerant, illiberal, un-American power trip. But in the age of the Internet, talk radio and YouTube, word of the siege at Berkeley spread like lightning. And citizens across the country weren’t willing to look the other way. ”
LOOKS LIKE MICHELLE HAS A WINNER WITH THIS ONE. - Big businessmen are boycotting Berkeley to the tune of millions of dollars. They will no longer spend in the city.
This will be a VERY expensive error on the part of the city. - VERY.
Heirborn Ranger
79 onlineanalyst // Feb 10, 2008 at 2:41 pm
FWIW Hillary! has been being coached in acting by her old cronies and Hollywood pals, the Thomasons. Thus, she has mastered the method of her emotion-on-command performances.
Our local FM station, featuring Quinn and Rose (a Clear Channel program also available in a lot of XM outlets), has a great intro to Hillary! news. Interspersed with Janis Joplin’s heartwrenching “Cry, Baby” is the verbatim of Hillary’s! emotional pre-New Hampshire interview with those fawning “wymyn” asking “how she does it” with all of the stresses on the campaign trail.
You know, this whole primary season has struck me as being juvenile as a junior high school contest for Student Council. The emphasis is on vacuous phrases and slogans, empty promises, and superficial appearances. I judged better performances of high school students in debate as a judge for Forensics contests.
80 everthink // Feb 10, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Dumpmaster,
I addressed egospeak by name; but thanks for your moronic input anyway.
It does, however, look like the views I have expressed from my first post are being vindicated by Americans across the United States, while yours have been recognized for the babbling bullsquat they are.
ET
81 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Fred Re#78, Berkeley appears to have backed off for the moment but meanwhile the stalwart Mayor of Toledo, Ohio has booted the Marines out of his fair city because “they might frighten someone.” Osama, perhaps?
(Note that this is the same Mayor who responded to complaints about noise from the municipal airport by suggesting complainants should sell their homes to deaf people. The Left Coast Lunacy Virus appears to have spread.)
82 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 3:14 pm
ET Re#80: “… the views I have expressed from my first post are being vindicated …”
This thread is getting rather complicated, but wasn’t that #52, the one where you called yourself a turkey? Please refresh my memory.
83 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 10, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Hate-Filled, Immoral, Anti-American views are impossible to vindicate…..for a patriotic God-Fearing American, that is.
84 Darthmeister // Feb 10, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Looks like sHrillary may have met her match in the new Democratic messiah. There’s panic in the Hillary camp.
The rest of the Donk cult better get used to the idea of burning incense to their new messiah. Can’t wait to see our resident moronic troll genuflecting before da’ man who promises to bring a socialist utopia to America. Never took our troll for some holyroller in waiting. Of course It could vote for Ralph Nader or some other impotent third party Pollyanna that makes disaffected voters feel good about their “principles” while the liberal Democrats are rubbing their hands in glee about turning America into Fortress Socialism.
From Slate online: Is Obama The Son of God? Bookmark this link for future updates on the fawning press coverage and the holy hosannahs being sung by Obama supporters.
Other sites following the messianic rise of one Barack Obama:
Obama As Liberal Messiah
ABC’s Political Punch site
ObamaMessiah
HumanEvents
Apparently, with cunning efficiency, Barack Obama has been able to tap into the spiritual void of secular liberals and is quite literally their messiah against eeeeevil Republicans and conservatives. Such is the “religious” fervor presently found on the left, people who have railed against “religious nuts” now appear to be willing to not only give Obama their souls but to hand America over to him so that can deliver the “progressive” utopia he is promising.
Ironically, however, in light of Mr. Obama’s total inability to articulate what he would actually do to bring about his much ballyhooed “change”, what we may actually get is four years of an incompetent Carteresque-type presidency while America’s enemies grow stronger and bolder. The consummate flim-flam man.
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews speaking to Felix Gillette in the New York Observer: “I’ve been following politics since I was about 5. I’ve never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament.”
Clearly, even the normally liberal cynic Chris Matthews has found his messiah having also admitted to weeping during one of Obama’s messianic speeches.
85 Fred Sinclair // Feb 10, 2008 at 4:40 pm
PELOSI CALLS IRAQ WAR “A FAILURE”
For once I have to agree with Nancy - the fact is that with everything available, the Iraqi war failed to turn Nancy Pelosi into an American human being. Instead she remains a miserable excuse for a human being. She’s a female version of her idealized amalgamation of her dearly beloved heroes; Stalin, Hitler, Amin, Castro, Chevez, Putin, etc. To her the Iraqi war will remain a failure until she can establish the former country of America into the “United North American Socialist Republics” (UNASR) Naturally installing herself as the head #1 dudette in charge.
Heirborn Ranger
86 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Fred Re#85: “She’s a female version of her idealized amalgamation of her dearly beloved heroes; Stalin, Hitler, Amin, Castro, Chevez, Putin, etc.”
I’m sorry, but that’s an unfair comparison.
All of those guys actually succeeded.
87 everthink // Feb 10, 2008 at 5:52 pm
… and their snarling grunts and howls arouse as a kind of chorus of imps in worship of The Chimp.
ET
88 Fred Sinclair // Feb 10, 2008 at 6:23 pm
gafisher #86 - But she’s trying and that counts for something, eh?
Stalin, Hitler, Amin succeeded in dying & Castro’s on the edge….
All of them combined haven’t matched America - the worlds leader in the murder of innocents. America’s over 45 million and counting.
The only silver lining (if it could be called that) is that the vast majority of those babies, had they lived, would have been raised as liberals, so there’s millions and millions of them who won’t be voting come this November.
Heirborn Ranger
89 gafisher // Feb 10, 2008 at 6:55 pm
“… Castro’s on the edge…”
And there’s some question which edge.
The “Roe Effect” might be real, Fred, but I suspect many of those babies would have been born to loving, caring mothers had those mothers not been pressured into passing their children through the fire of Molech, and then constrained by pride or guilt to justify what they had done, dismissing it as a mere “choice,” and defending it as a Constitutional “right.” May God have mercy upon those who acted out of ignorance. Abortion has no silver lining, least of all for those, both mothers and children, who are its victims.
90 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 10, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Obama wins in Nebraska.
Obama wins in Washington.
Obama wins in Louisiana.
Obama wins the caucuses in Maine.
Obama gets 90% of the vote in the Virgin Islands.
Obama is favored to win in Maryland, D.C., Virginia.
Obama is expected to win Hawaii.
Perhaps we’re beginning to see a pattern here?
Does Hillary have a strategy for beating Obama?
Does John McCain? Stay tuned!
91 Fred Sinclair // Feb 10, 2008 at 7:58 pm
gafisher - AMEN to that that’s why I said (”If….”)
Heirborn Ranger
92 Fred Sinclair // Feb 10, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Scripture says God puts Kings on thrones, the same must be true of Presidents. I believe in a God who specializes in miracles. I’m believing with Huckabee for a miracle. Huckabee vs Obama with Huck winning. We can take the Senate back almost for sure and possibly the House too! Just as Obama is about to nose out Mrs. Bill Clinton he may meet with a fatal “accident”! So it could be Huck vs Mrs. Bill Clinton. (Stranger things have happened.) A Republican victory in November will require a lot of prayer and an unprecedented turnout of voters. If Republicans “sit this one out” we will deserve everything we get.
93 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 10, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Abortion for the sake of unbridled promiscuity, for the sake of convenience—is, was and always will be 1st degree murder. It makes me crazy just to think about it.
My upcoming 58th (almost 60! OMG!) birthday has had me looking back over more my life than I really should, I suppose, but the world sure has changed 1950…..I hardly recognize it.
94 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 10, 2008 at 8:20 pm
*changed since 1950
95 Darthmeister // Feb 10, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I wonder if neverthink had some kind of accident which caused his brain injury or if he was simply born that way. While he certainly gives new meaning to the term “no brainer” ya’ still have to hand to him, he did figure out how to slip his straitjacket.
Hurry neverthink, the nice men are coming with your meds.
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