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Qaeda Caves Under Pressure of Democrat Pull-Out Bill

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(2007-04-27) — Al Qaeda in Iraq today announced it would cease all martyrdom operations, bombings, kidnappings and attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces just a day after the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate sent a bill to President George Bush that sets a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq.

“Under orders from our supreme ruler, Usama bin Laden, we announce our complete surrender and ask for mercy from our triumphant conquerors,” said an unnamed spokesman on a prerecorded audio statement released on al-Jazeera and CNN. “We are defenseless in the face of the Democrats’ aggressive pull-out schedule — Allah be praised.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi plan a trip to Baghdad next week to receive the surrender documents from an al-Qaeda emissary who has committed to meeting them in a public marketplace for the historic ceremony.

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  • 1 Scott Ott // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:05 am

    Qaeda Caves Under Pressure of Democrat Pull-Out Bill…

    by Scott Ott(2007-04-27) — Al Qaeda in Iraq today announced it would cease all martyrdom operations, bombings, kidnappings and attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces just a day after the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate sent a bill to President George Bush….

  • 2 diamond jim // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:07 am

    Yes, history repeats itself. Just as Hitler ceased operations in Czechoslavakia when Chamberlain forced him to sign the peace agreement.

  • 3 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:10 am

    There you have it then, proof in writing.
    Happy now?

    No, even if it were true you wouldn’t be and I’m labeled the pessimist of the bunch. Hmmm….

  • 4 conserve-a-tips // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:11 am

    Ouch.

  • 5 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:14 am

    God Bless America

  • 6 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:24 am

    The folks along the coast would be well served to arm themselves and to start scanning the horizon.
    Here they come…

  • 7 camojack // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:33 am

    Where are these Qaeda Caves, anyhow…Pakistan?

  • 8 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:34 am

    I surrender. No I surrender! I surrendered first!
    or,
    Sir Robin “bravely ran away”

  • 9 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:37 am

    Wait a minute - did you say that Al Qaeda is in Iraq?

  • 10 Len Peracchio // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:38 am

    Does the Weasel remind anyone of that other “DELUSIONAL living in DENIAL”-Chamberlain climbing out of an airpane with a WHITE paper in his hand… or was it a wHITE FLAG???

  • 11 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:39 am

    Al Qaeda must be intimidated by the showing of a white flag. Must have something to do with pork … the other white meat.

  • 12 Len Peracchio // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:40 am

    not to cahnge topics but:
    Q: how many empty suits can fit on a SC stage?
    A: eight!

  • 13 Beerme // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:46 am

    boberin,

    Do you realize that a real battle against these forces is coming? The one we’re trying to fight right now, while being opposed at every turn by liberals, is obviously not the real one but it could prevent the real one. It won’t because it will be opposed until it dies a death of neglect.

    When the real one does show up, even the liberals will want to fight it because it will clearly threaten our way of life and the liberal values they love. By then it will be a broader and much more dangerous war, though, probably involving nuclear weapons.

    I know this doesn’t work for you but, once again, whatever the reason for going into Iraq-right, wrong, legal, illegal, bogus or justified-we are there and can choose to fight to win or retreat and strengthen the enemy (Al Quaeda and the related terrorists who seek to place the world in dhimmitude). Harry Reid and the Democrats are for retreating. Is there really any question by any liberal-you included-that this strategy will strengthen our enemies and make our futures less secure?

    Really, can you answer that question?

  • 14 TouchyFeely // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:05 am

    Why would the dems believe that terror operations against the US would cease if we pullout of Iraq. These attacks help to run up the price of oil and have made the middle east a trillion extra dollars in current and future profits. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Saudis had a bigger hand in 9/11 than we would believe. Eventually, they’ll own our stores, our highways, our cities - and we won’t even know it, until it’s too late.

    Off topic. Semantics. Know how the Dems refer to illegal immigrants as “undocumented workers” and how they want to eliminate the phrase “war on terror”? Semantics are very important! And it’s time we started calling the Democratic Party what it is: The Socialist Party. They shouldn’t object to this. “Socialist” isn’t a bad word, heck, the French have a socialist party. It is simply a truer reflection of what that party is, and if the name sticks, maybe some people will wake up.

  • 15 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:12 am

    Beerme, what would constitute a win? That is the big, unanswered question. Get back to me with that and then I’ll tell you if it seems worth the lives and the money.

    Touchy…ya think????????
    Think the Saudis may have had something to do with 9/11? The hijackers were Saudis, not Iraqis
    But have we ever/will we ever address that? Nope, not while George and his ilk are around. George likes the Saudis and they like him….wayyyy toooo much

  • 16 TouchyFeely // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:13 am

    PS, Beerme, Bobberin is an idiot. Not a bad guy, just a simpleton. Obsessed by youthful idealism, he is incapable of objective thought or responsible actions. Like all liberals, he speaks with moral certitude. He believes that you should “do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Nice idea, Bob. Too bad it won’t work with a nuclear Iran. PS, you want to see people die in the middle east, just watch what happens when we pull out.

    Terrorists cannot be allowed a haven for planning.

  • 17 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:16 am

    From prior thread - Re: “Bush suggests more targets…”

    a “RealConservative” (aka “Bush hater”) posted at the end and deserves a reply -

    TrueConservative - Very interesting indeed. As a Conservative Christian myself - the idea of a Conservative athiest never crossed my mind.

    For us Christians, God’s Prophet Micah tells us that Russia and China (Gog & Ma-gog) will protect Persia (Iran) - and the King (President George W. Bush) of God’s country Zion (United States) will be in position because God put him there.

    Now I will agree that George isn’t perfect but then neither was King David (who was overloaded with flaws) but Mr “True Conservative” before you go dissing our God appointed President, you should check out the facts.

    We are in the end of the end of the last days. WWIII is knocking at our door so I (for one) am not going to go around telling folks how God screwed up and put the wrong guy in as President of His country Zion (aka - The United states of America). I believe George is right where God wants him; but I also believe that you are not.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 18 Libby Gone // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:16 am

    Does anyone wonder if the surrender documents will be carried in a vest by the emissary? One can only hope.

  • 19 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:22 am

    bobberinyetagain - check out my #17 above. What I said to Mr. TrueConservative fits you too, like a comfortable well worn swweater. You sure ya’all ain’t related? Gotta be kin-folks sumhow.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 20 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:25 am

    #19 - My bad - only one w in sweater.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 21 University Update // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:27 am

    Qaeda Caves Under Pressure of Democrat Pull-Out Bill…

  • 22 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:53 am

    Ah Fred,

    Take comfort in the thought that you and every aged person (in mind, not body) has sought refuge in, that the “end times” are here.
    Every generation can “prove” this, either using the Scriptures or just common sense., You can “prove” it too.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, the world will go on just fine w/o either of us, perhaps for eternity.
    We are not needed, bees on the other had are, and they are gone. That leaves us approx 4 years but it will have nothing to do with God, rather it is our own refusal to notice and/or address a problem.

    Mind you, a few people will even survive the lack of bees but they won’t be cruising in the Hummer or worrying about their job or the boogieman, they will be farming with horse drawn pllows and hunting with bow and arrow and hoping to live to see another day.

    Funny how almost everything that matters now will not matter then. But, either way, life will proceed apace without any of us to help it along.

  • 23 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:08 am

    Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.~~Galatians 6:7

    “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” ‘

    20″But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’~~Luke 12:18-20

  • 24 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:38 am

    Anti-war liberals and the Euro-weenies are in denial:

    The Muslim Mainstream and the New Caliphate

  • 25 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:39 am

    I agree, we have sown and now we are reaping. Oh how we shall reap (myself included, I am not “holier than thou”)

    Applies to killing those that don’t agree too unfortunately.

    By concensus there are up to 5000 Al Queda “members” on the planet, perhaps a fair bit less. You can look it up.

    Boogieman! (did I scare you?)

  • 26 conserve-a-tips // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:40 am

    Boberin, you said that it will have nothing to do with God. Everything has something to do with God. It is just that everyone does not recognize that God is in everything…even our choices. In Romans it says that man was so intent on doing things his own way that God just gave man over to his own devices and let him sink to depravity even further. In other words, He was even in on that set of choices.

    Scripture tells us that God’s thoughts are not our thoughts and God’s ways are not our ways, but are higher than anything we could dream up. Don’t, for a second, think that man is so powerful that he is, in any way, going to change or thwart God’s plans. If the disaster of the bees disappearing continues, rest assured that there is some purpose in there and it encompasses God’s ultimate purpose of teaching people that He is in control and very much for real. Man has this nasty habit of having to hurt really badly, first, before he finally looks up and acknowledges God and begs for forgiveness and help.

  • 27 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:41 am

    “Thrice happy is the nation that has a glorious history. Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.”
    From Teddy Roosevelt’s “The Strenuous Life”

    bober, I wonder what Teddy would think of Americans like you and your cut-and-run Democrats pals?

  • 28 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:45 am

    Trust me, you could not scare me. I have nothing to fear. Cowards, liars and traitors in particular.

  • 29 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:47 am

    c.a.t., don’t you know the honey bees disappearing are Bush’s fault? Remember that anti-bee legislation that Karl Rove rammed through Congress.

    Fortunately, less than 10% of our fruit crops are serviced by honey bees. There are alternative means to pollinate which may involve more expense. It is a perplexing situation but a better question for the chicken littles like bober is WHY HAVEN’T THE SCIENTISTS DONE ANYTHING? WHY WEREN’T WE WARNED BY THESE POINTY-HEADS? Obviously the scientists were too busy gluing and pasting their wacko global warming theory together.

    After all, they’re the know-it-alls, right?

  • 30 upnorthlurkin // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:05 am

    I see our resident metro-sexual is stirring things up again! Much better to worry about bees than terrorists! Best to leave the defending of the country to the real men (read President Bush and his ilk) and the Dippity Doo lib Democrats can continue to fret about “why they hate us”. You know, the important stuff.

  • 31 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Take a three-minute Rostropovich break here.

  • 32 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:19 am

    According to boberin, we have no way of knowing who won WWI or WWII. It is impossible to define “victory.” For that matter, how can we trust the sportscasters when they tell us who won the game? How can anyone know who actually won, when “winning” cannot be defined?

    This makes as much sense to me as liberals arguing that no one will ever come over here and try to hurt us (just as no one ever has before) but WHY AREN”T OUR PORTS MORE SECURE???

  • 33 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:22 am

    Darth, they warned of DDT and the government and big business scoffed (you can look it up, scoffing was universal and unanimus) but when we stopped using it the birds actually started coming back (who needs our national symbol anyway is a decent question)
    Thet warned of low frequency sonar killing marine mammals, government and industry scoffed, continue to scoff despite pretty clear evidence to the contrary.
    The warned of lead in paint, everyone scoffed.
    They warned of lead in our air, scoffing abounded. (they are still warning of this, scoffing continues)
    They warned of asbestos, more scoffing.
    They warn of global warming, scoffing hits new highs of derision (even though it is demonstrably happening, man made or not is a good question but the warming is happening but it is still dismissed as though it were not)

    So, now you say you wanted a warning about the bees?
    Are you kidding?
    I love the “head in the sand” 10% thingy too. It’s not just honey bees, they are not even native to our country. It’s all bees and the % is way, way above 10 that pollinate that way.
    I asked you to order more glasses, haven’t seen mine yet

  • 34 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:25 am

    Shelly, the question stands as asked, currently unanswered. What will constitute “victory” in this war? Be specific, please. I am actually quite curious but have seen nothing resembling an answer yet, from George or anyone here.
    How will we know we have won this specific conflict, not conflicts past, this one?

  • 35 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:27 am

    It digusts me that Democrats - who demanded that they be allowed to vote for this war when it was popular, and who bragged about voting for it when Saddam’s statue fell, and after he was captured, are now stabbing these young men and women who have volunteered to fight for their country - and who want to continue rebuilding Iraq - right in the back. Unwanted baby? Stab it in the back of the head. Unpopular war? Stab the troops directly in the back. There seems to be a pattern, and it is quite ugly. Now they think the American public is too stupid to recognize surrender when they see it.

  • 36 conserve-a-tips // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:29 am

    Darthmeister: I forgot that the Dems in Congress had a bee up their bonnets - I think he is still buzzing circles around them. :grin:

    Upnorthlurking: All these years, I’ve thought that the Jihadists hated us, just like the Democrats hate us, because we liked Bork so much and tried to make him a judge. Then I find out it’s not because of Bork but because we like Pork and I am totally bummed out. See, I could easily stop talking about Bork, since he isn’t an issue anymore, but give up my pork? And that still doesn’t explain why the Democrats hate America. Do they not eat pork either?????

  • 37 boberinyetagain // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:35 am

    A Cornell University study has estimated that honeybees annually pollinate more than $14 billion worth of seeds and crops in the United States, mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts. “Every third bite we consume in our diet is dependent on a honeybee to pollinate that food,” said Zac Browning, vice president of the American Beekeeping Federation.

    Much like many of your “facts” Hank, full of hot air

  • 38 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:36 am

    My God you are dense. What constituted victory in the Civil War? What constituted victory in the Revolutionary War? Will you at least go so far into the world of reality to admit we won the Revolution?

  • 39 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:37 am

    Can you define victory in a Super Bowl game?

    How about poker? Monopoly?

    Are you just that unfamiliar with the concept?

  • 40 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:43 am

    It’s amazing to me that a person could be so woefully ignorant of the goals of The United States of America in Iraq. Unbelievable.

  • 41 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:47 am

    He’s woefully ignorant of reality in general. People have answered his very question repeatedly, and he chooses to ignore that. On the last thread I think it was Fred. It’s no different than knowing that the UN Security Council had passed more than a dozen resolutions about WMD in Iraq but use the “Bush lied” lie even now. I don’t know what the cause is, but he is simply incapable of living in the real world or recognizing reality. Who doesn’t know what victory means?

  • 42 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    Good news at PowerLine:

    “The Pentagon announced today the capture of Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, described as ‘one of al-Qaida’s most senior and most experienced operatives.’”

    I know earlier this week Coalition troops killed a suicide-vest bombmaker who was using twleve year old children as suicide bombers.

  • 43 Al-Queda Surrenders « Colorado Right // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    [...] Al-Queda Surrenders News from Scrappleface: (2007-04-27) — Al Qaeda in Iraq today announced it would cease all martyrdom operations, bombings, kidnappings and attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces just a day after the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate sent a bill to President George Bush that sets a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq. [...]

  • 44 Libby Gone // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    Saddam must be rolling in his grave.

  • 45 wildhowd // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Perhaps the bees are not missing at all but have declared jihad and are committed to suicide bombing runs against the wasps. If we could capture a few live bees we might ascertain an answer. Since there are no dead bee bodies to be found scientists can not readily find the reason for the decline. This article places an interesting perspective on the bee problem http://www.registerguard.com/news/2007/04/11/a1.bees.0411.p1.php?section=cityregion
    wish there was an article to read about the democrat problem

  • 46 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    EEvil Karl Rove spreads honey bees on his toast.

  • 47 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:45 pm

    Whereas others are should be surrendered to:
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
    Christians Tortured and Murdered on Video
    Not for the faint of heart.

  • 48 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    Scott - looks like Charles at LGF is moving into satire:
    “Reached for comment, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called for Al-Iraqi’s immediate release. “How can we surrender to him while he’s being tortured in the Guantanamo concentration camp?” Reid asked, with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi blinking furiously at his side.”

  • 49 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    I was waiting for Hillary to say withdrawal with drawl last night, but it didn’t happen.

    OK everyone - lunchtime is over for me…:)

  • 50 conserve-a-tips // Apr 27, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    The Democrats should be so proud. From the article:

    Democratic presidential hopefuls flashing their anti-war credentials last night at a national debate by stating they would immediately withdraw from Iraq, encouraged Palestinian terrorist leaders here, who labeled the debate a victory for Iraqi insurgents and “resistance movements” throughout the world.

    The debate was widely covered today by the Palestinian and pan-Arab media.

    “We see Hillary (Clinton) and other candidates are competing on who will withdraw from Iraq and who is guilty of supporting the Iraqi invasion. This is a moment of glory for the revolutionary movements in the Arab world in general and for the Iraqi resistance movement specifically,” said Abu Jihad, one of the overall leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror organization.

    I think democrats will do good if they will withdraw as soon as they are in power,” he said.

    I’ve decided that I am starting a White Flag business. I am choosing July 4th to be the day to fly them.

  • 51 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    At Drudge:

    “Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday she sees her sometimes Southern accent as a virtue. ‘I think America is ready for a multilingual president,’ Clinton said during a campaign stop at a charter school in Greenville, S.C.”

    Is there an emoticon for confused?

  • 52 upnorthlurkin // Apr 27, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    How about an emoticon for patronizing/insulting/pandering?! My gosh!! If a white conservative male said those things and switched back and forth from a southin’ drawl to an elite eastern accent there would be catcalls for his lynching!

  • 53 conserve-a-tips // Apr 27, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    multilingual?????? Is she delusional? Now if she could speak Spanish like GWB, I might call her bi-lingual but really!!!

  • 54 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Michelle Malkin also points out her hypocrisy/dishonesty regarding her “Rutger’s Pledge.” Ouch.

  • 55 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    When asked if she could “talk to the animals”, Sen. Clinton said she was fluent in Pander.

  • 56 tomg // Apr 27, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    (hat tip to upnorthlurking #52)

  • 57 Beerme // Apr 27, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    Well, I tried. I asked a simple question and got a rhetorical one for an answer. Boberin, winning is just that. It’s not losing. I feel I could go on and on like the Monty Python, Dead Parrot sketch and describe winning in as many possible terms as I know but would it really do any good? When the guys and gals wearing suicide vests and driving cars and trucks laden with explosives stop or are stopped by the people they are blowing up every day, we all will know we’ve won.

    The question still stands: is cutting and running going to further endanger the Iraqis and us in the future? The answer, in case you ask another question in response, is a resounding “Yes”!

    BTW, fifty people die every year in the US from bee and wasp stings. Always look on the bright side of life!

  • 58 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    On further thought, I’d like an emoticon for “No she didn’t.”

  • 59 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 4:28 pm

    boberinyetagain - Re: your #22 - Come this November, I will be 70 years old. I believe that I will still be here, alive when Jesus returns.

    If the history of the world were to be represented by the Encyclopedia, today would fall somewhere between the last letter on the last page and the period.

    JL3rd quoted for you the right passages from the Bible. However it is obvious that you have not yet had your eyes opened or you would already be a Christian Conservative If you have not been predestined, then they never will open. (Liberal Christian is an oxymoron by the way)

    Since God can open the eyes of the Captain of a slave ship and inspire him to write the words to the song, “Amazing Grace”, you may still have some degree of hope.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 60 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    They support the troops. Yeah. Right.

    Despicable.

  • 61 conserve-a-tips // Apr 27, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    Beerme: Re: “BTW. Fifty people die every year from bee and wasp stings.”

    Being one of those people who has to carry an epipen for wasp stings, according to the scary scientists, we won’t have to worry about bee stings anymore. Oh that it were the wasps instead of the bees being misdirected by our cell phones!

  • 62 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    Thailand - Terrorists have killed 2000 Buddhist for being Buddhist and a lot of Muslims, in order to start a civil war.

    Pandora took the lid off of a box - Abraham went in to his wife’s servant, Hagar, she got pregnant - result?

    “Ishmael |ˈi sh mÄ“É™l; -mā-| (in the Bible) a son of Abraham, by his wife Sarah’s maid, Hagar, driven away with his mother after the birth of Sarah’s son Isaac (Gen. 16:12). Ishmael (or Ismail) is also important in Islamic belief as the traditional ancestor of Muhammad and of the Arab peoples.”

    We have Socialist Liberals who want to talk to the terrorists, while the terrorists want to kill Socialist Liberals and everybody else that ain’t them. (how do they compromise on that?)

    Perhaps the libbers can go talk with Pandora - get her to put everything back in the box and replace the lid? Probably get better results. - Rots of Ruck!

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 63 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    Nice strawman argument, bober. I didn’t say the decimated bee population posed NO problems. What I was saying is it isn’t the end of the world. And what’s your point anyway? That it’s Bush’s fault? That he hasn’t been paying enough attention to honey bees? That federal funding needs to be raised to save the honey bees?

    Of ingesting lead is bad, bober, but I don’t remember modern science or the general population within our lifetimes mocking the dangers it posed. Why are you engaging in simplistic apocalyptic ranting? BTW, if you’re that concerned about it, bober, what are YOU doing or what money are YOU giving to research regarding abestos removal, honey bee rescue and removing lead from our environment, hmmmmmm?

    But DDT, boberin? Once again you demonstrate what a brainwashed tool you really are. You just like well-intended but ignorant sockpuppets like you to condemn millions of people to death because of the horror stories told about DDT. Informed people know if it is used properly, DDT can save millions of lives that people like you would condemn to death because of your utopian ignorance. Some consider those who celebrate the banning DDT are little more than well-intentioned mass murderers.

    More here about DDT bans. Excerpt:

    Author Michael Crichton, in an address to the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, claimed that
    “banning DDT is one of the most disgraceful episodes in the 20th century history of America”.

    Analysing the potency of green campaigns, Crichton says “our past record of environmental action is discouraging, to put it mildly…But we do not recognise our past failures and face them squarely. And I think I know why…today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western world is environmentalism. [It] seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists.”

    “I am thoroughly sick of politicised so-called facts that simply aren’t true. It isn’t that these ‘facts’ are exaggerations of an underlying truth. Nor is it that certain organisations are spinning their case… in the strongest way. Not at all — what more and more groups are doing is putting out lies, pure and simple. Falsehoods that they know to be false. This trend began with the DDT campaign and persists to this day.”

  • 64 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    Besides, bober, your “if A then B” argument is rather ludicrous. Modern science has made mistakes and to draw parallels between the highly speculative Global Warming theory (that it’s man’s fault) and lead poisoning, which can actually be scientifically demonstrated in the laboratory, speaks more of the blind gullibility on your part than our healthy skepticism.

  • 65 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 6:12 pm

    Darthmeister - Is there any reliable, recent figures on the hundreds of thousands - even millions of people who have died of Yellow Fever since the world wide ban on the use of DDT???

    The only silver lining that can be found in that horrendous action is that it stands as an abomination of a monument to the fundamental idiocy of the Environmental Whackos.

    “Save the Whales!” - “Save the baby seals!” - “Save the Polar Bears!” - “Save the mosquitoes!” (save the mosquitoes? Are we running out of them? Well we’re running out of honey-bees). Some of this would boggle the mind of our best Science Fiction writers. They wrote of the “Attack of the Killer Bees” - they should have written of the “Attack of the Killer Mosquitoes” in fact, Heinlin may have done that. (He covered everything else).

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 66 onlineanalyst // Apr 27, 2007 at 7:43 pm

    Geez Louise, boberin is telling us about the birds and the bees.

  • 67 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:16 pm

    boberin is changing the subject, because - as usual - his strange avoidance of reality has been pointed out by many on this thread. He then needs to bring up a new subject to question someone’s “facts” because his relationship with facts has been shown for the farce that it is.

    On the last thread he used his other reality avoidance tactic - accusing the rest of us of calling Iraq the perfect utopia. We need to pray for him. He is an extraordinarily troubled soul who seems to have a desperate need to believe in a reality of his own creation, and then somehow get it blessed by those who know better. We will never be able to serve him by attempting to point out obvious truths. He cannot or will not accept reality. We need to pray that God can heal him of whatever demons are driving this need to believe in things that are demonstably untrue.

  • 68 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    boberin - The moon really is made up of cheese. I know this for a fact. Now you cannot argue with my fact. (but at least it’s something you can sink your teeth into.)

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 69 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    Fred, would that be Brie? Roquefort? Pont-l’Évêque? Port Salut or maybe Savoyard? It could be made of Saint-Paulin or Carre-de-L’Est or Bresse-Bleu … or possibly Boursin or Cheddar or Swiss or even American cheese. But then possibly Dorset Blue Vinney salted with Double Gloucester. Parmesan? Mozarella? Danish Fimboe?

    Compliments of Monty Python’s school of cheese logic.

  • 70 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    Hank, you forgot pepper jack. My husband loves pepper jack. ;’)

  • 71 Shelly // Apr 27, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    I call for new emoticons and the tech-illiiterate than I am, one of the few I know doesn’t work? It’s the Vast-Left-Wing-Conspiracy! (As opposed to my mis-typing. What does “is” mean?)

  • 72 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    :shock:
    tweet

  • 73 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    Darthmeister - You of all people know there are mountains on the moon. a cheese lovers delight. One mountain - string cheese - another beer cheese - yet another - colby - what looks like shale on some mountains is really blue cheese and Roqfort - what looks like lava - Cheeze Whiz - That honeycome mountain 100% pure Swiss (but you knew that) Other mountains - all of the ones you mentioned and then some.

    There’s “Man in the moon cheese” and another mountain of “Aged Old man in the moon cheese” There’s even soft hills of Bacon cheese spread, pimento cheese spread, and a pineapple cheese spread hill. You just can’t argue with facts.

    They’re my facts and I’m sticking to them!

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 74 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    One person to another:
    “Cheeeese it! The COPS!”
    :shock:

  • 75 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    As the breeze moves through the mountainsand valleys, you can hear them softly calling “….boberinnnnn…oh boberinnnnn…. come and eat, we’re waiting for yooouuuuuuu………..”

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 76 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:39 pm

    Here’s some pertinent news, in re: bees.

  • 77 Fred Sinclair // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:44 pm

    SENATOR JAMES INHOFE - “IT’S MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT”

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid should be recalled by voters over his “un-American” remarks about the Iraq war, Sen. James Inhofe declared.

    Speaking with NewsMax pundit Steve Malzberg on “Bill Bennett’s Morning in America” radio program Wednesday morning, Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican, expressed outrage over Reid’s criticism of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy, his call for a timetable for withdrawal and his assertion that the Iraq war is “lost.”

    Asked if the Nevada Democrat should resign from his leadership position because of his comments, Inhofe said: “I think it’s more serious than that. I think there should be a recall . . . for saying something as un-American as that.”

    He also said: “But it would have to emanate from the people who elected him.

    “I can’t imagine that something isn’t going to happen.”

  • 78 TouchyFeely // Apr 27, 2007 at 10:58 pm

    I’m sure it has been pointing out on this board before, but something bears repeating:

    The reason that the Socialist Party (the Dems) have changed their strategy from “reverse the course” to “Get out of Iraq by the fall” is that the evidence that the tide has turned and that the surge is working is beginning to look irrefutable. If the situation in Iraq is well under control by the election, it will mean a resounding defeat for the Socialists.

    THere is little doubt that, for political gain, they are doing everything within their power to lose the war. That includes Nancy Pelosi’s refusal to see Gen. Petraeus (an outrageous, unforgivable move) and her avoiding the SEnate (or House, I do not know which) session where he briefed congressmen.

  • 79 TouchyFeely // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    By the way, she wouldn’t see Petraeus when he was here in Washington, but she bent over backwards to see the Syrian thug dicatator is Damascas. What a fake, sleezy b***tch she has proven herself to be.

  • 80 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    My desperate pleas for the resignations of Pelosi and Reid may have been heard, at least partially. But, these days, I am focusing on the brain-altering rants of of the Murtha that crawls in the sewers. I know it is not right (and counter-productive to boot) but I wish a pox upon them. Lord, help us…..

  • 81 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on Friday.

    The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S. respondents who had a negative view of the French.

    Imagine that. I bet the numbers wouldn’t be too far different if it had been American liberals asked about whether they hated America or not. We already know liberals are infatuated with themselves and their “intellectual” prowess.

  • 82 Darthmeister // Apr 27, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Interesting bee news, JL3rd. We all know its a Joooooooooish conspiracy killing off the honey bees.

    Here’s an excellent interview of Max Boot by Hugh Hewitt.

    Hugh’s conclusion:

    Democrats in the Senate and the House are willfully, even perversely, ignorant of -or willfully blind to- the stakes and the conditions in Iraq. They seem to believe that this is a winning political strategy. I don’t think so, not even in the short term and certainly not in the long term. Munich was very popular for a short time -from the signing of the agreement on September 29, 1938 until the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939, or until Hitler’s nature become unmistakable even to the most appeasement-oriented Chamberlain supporter. The consequences of the left’s surrender sickness will be obvious sooner or later. It is only the costs that are obscure at this point.

    Seventy years down the road, the actions of the Democrats these past few weeks will seem even more craven and inexplicable than those of Baldwin and Chamberlain in the ’30s, for in that long ago age of appeasement, those men at least had the excuse that Great Britain was exhausted, broke, and unable to risk a confrontation with the growing evil for fear of a military defeat.

    Bingo!

  • 83 Loki, E.NC.Z.B-K // Apr 28, 2007 at 12:40 am

    /delurk

    I myself would like to make a comment pertaining to Asbestos. Having worked with the stuff for a few years, I learned a thing or two about it. Asbestos is really an excellent product as long as people don’t mess around with it. As a pipe-insulation, it is so far the best material. Problems arise when it falls into disrepair, and people who don’t respect it just do a quick fix, or leave it to fall apart even more.

    Of course, you may run into problems should the buildings containing the material explode or something, but at that point I would be slightly more concerned with the explosion. Throw on some filters, and you can be just fine.
    Heck, I wish they still made some things from ’stos, those asbestos brakepads and clutchs worked awesome compared to this new-fangled stuff.

    Just my opinion I guess. That and what is teached at your typical Asbestos Removal Guy.

    /lurk

  • 84 TouchyFeely // Apr 28, 2007 at 2:22 am

    Good point, Darth.

    Sorry for all the misspellings. Earlier tonight I read Victor Davis Hanson’s latest on a nuclear Iran. Outstanding. He closes with an interesting and some might say hopeful note - to the effect that Aquavelvajad should take note and perhaps reconsider his desire to go nuclear, because, although Americans act in a civilized manner 90% of the time, the savagery we can exhibit with the other ten percent goes far beyond anything ever dreamed of in the middle east.

    That said, I just saw “THe Good Shepard”. Great movie about the CIA. It sort of reminds me that I probably shouldn’t have referred to Ms Pelosi as a blootch. As the third most powerful person in the world, she is a bit of a nagger, but then, what woman isn’t?

  • 85 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 28, 2007 at 6:11 am

    wow, 84 hits in less than a day. Off to the local MS walk on a drizzly Saturday morning. No, I am not walking, just shuffling paperwork

    Good day

  • 86 Hawkeye // Apr 28, 2007 at 6:42 am

    “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi plan a trip to Baghdad next week to receive the surrender documents from an al-Qaeda emissary…”

    I think Reid and Pelosi should wait until after all the troops are out of Iraq.

    Regards…

  • 87 Darthmeister // Apr 28, 2007 at 7:44 am

    Breathlessly reported:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Climate change is affecting the growth of fish, with those living in warmer, shallow waters growing faster and species in cooling deep ocean waters growing slower, according to an Australian study.

    Now think about this for a minute. We’re being told that “climate change” (the climate is always changing) will cause those fish living in warmer waters to “grow faster” and those in cooling water to “grow slower”. Well, duh, of course! That’s the way it’s always been. But what is being intimated here throughout the rest of the article is that IT’S MAN’S FAULT! No scientific proof, no inarguable evidence, just conjecture that MAN HAS TO BE CAUSING CLIMATE CHANGE and poor fish unfortunate to find themselves in “warming waters” will frow faster (what’s wrong with that?) and in “cooling deep ocean waters” (because all the glaciers are melting BECAUSE OF MAN!) fish will grow slower.

    That’s it, I’m building my bunker, oops, can’t do that, that would cause CLIMATE CHANGE! This is pathetic. And in the meantime the biggest advocates of “climate change is man’s fault” continue flying their private jets to Democratic debates or anywhere else they go while us hoi polloi have to take commercial jets. Stupid Leerjet Liberal hypocrites.

  • 88 conserve-a-tips // Apr 28, 2007 at 7:51 am

    Darthmeister, get that johnboat motor revved up and let’s go fishing! More Omega 3 oils - yipee!

  • 89 Hawkeye // Apr 28, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Darth, Something sounds “fishy” to me.

    :smile: Regards…

  • 90 Liger // Apr 28, 2007 at 10:53 am

    Senior Official Linked to Escort Service Resigns

    Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation.

    On Thursday, Tobias told ABC News he had several times called the “Pamela Martin and Associates” escort service “to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage.” Tobias, who is married, said there had been “no sex,” and that recently he had been using another service “with Central Americans” to provide massages.

    As the Bush administration’s so-called “AIDS czar,” Tobias was criticized by some for emphasizing faithfulness and abstinence over condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.

    In a 2004 interview, Tobias explained his approach as “A and B and C. . . Abstinence works. ‘Be faithful’ works. Condoms work. They all have a role. But it’s not a multiple choice, where there is only one answer.”

    Well, fellas, it looks like the wheels are falling off the bus. Could the news get any worse?

    Just wait…

    Love always,

    Liger

  • 91 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 28, 2007 at 2:39 pm

    Sorry again Liger

    Eh, if the AIDS Czar is hooking up with hookers then I have no trouble telling him to hit the road. But as always it is the liberals telling us this is a natural thing and since nobody is the victim we should legalize it.

    But, sigh, when they catch someone, especially a Republican, then it is off with their heads.

    How dare thee have sex, oh you lowly dust-eating mongrel!!

  • 92 Liger // Apr 28, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    Of course I can’t speak for all liberals, but I don’t think they care so much about the sex as they do the hypocrisy.

    It’s those who profess to be the moral compass for the masses, then get themselves caught with a hooker “gal giving massages”.

    Remember Ted Haggard smoking meth with a gay hooker getting massages.

    Remember Mark Foley being a pedophile counseling young’uns.

    Remember Bill Bennett and his gambling.

    Remember Rush Limbaugh and his oxy.

    Bill O’Reilly and his falafel.

    George W. Bush and his “culture of life.”

    I could go on.

    The right doesn’t have a monopoly on hypocrites. The left has them too. But I really relish the sanctimonious ones that fall. To paraphrase one of my favorite movies, “I love smell of the religious right collapsing in the morning.”

    I’ve missed you all in the last few months. I just got work-released.

    Ciao,

    Liger

  • 93 Darthmeister // Apr 28, 2007 at 7:56 pm

    I think Muslim fundamentalist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has become a Democrat. He’s now spewing their talking points. The Democrats ought to nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize:

    AP - Baghdad
    by KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer

    The radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr launched a strong attack earlier Saturday on President Bush, calling him the “greatest evil” for refusing to withdraw American troops from Iraq.

    Al-Sadr’s statement was read during a parliament session by his cousin, Liqaa al-Yassin, after Congress ordered U.S. troops to begin leaving Iraq by Oct. 1. Bush pledged to veto the measure and neither the House nor the Senate had enough votes to override him.

    “Here are the Democrats calling you to withdraw or even set a timetable and you are not responding,” al-Sadr’s statement said. “It is not only them who are calling for this but also Republicans, to whom you belong.”

    I can’t understand why Mookie didn’t show up at the Democratic debate. He clearly would have been a real hit with the Dhimmiecrat voters.

  • 94 Darthmeister // Apr 28, 2007 at 8:08 pm

    Lieger, you’re not a hypocrite when you sin, we’re all sinners. One is only a hypocrite if they do the evil they condemn other people for engaging in AND REMAIN UNREPENTANT THEMSELVES! If I’m not mistaken each one of those people admitted they had done wrong, but I haven’t heard any Democrat repenting for their immoral behavior or their rank double-standards by holding conservatives to a higher moral standard.

    Besides, as a “progressive” you think yourself to be, shouldn’t you be celebrating when moral tightwads like Haggard become enlightened and engages in behavior that YOU do not deem offensive or immoral? Your not saying homosexuality is immoral are you? Why are you mocking Haggard who engaged in behavior that you don’t find personally offensive? Think feel about it, lieger.

    I mean, after the whole Clinton affair I thought if someone was doing their job their private life really doesn’t matter - or does that only apply to liberal Democrats? Or have you changed your mind about the sinfulness of consorting with homosexuals, too? Maybe Haggard and other conservative sinners are complete morons for apologizing for behavior that liberals often applaud. I mean, when was the last time a liberal condemned a druggie, adulterer, or a homosexual as sinners? You faux moral outrage paints you as little more than a partisan hack, me thinks.

    I mean, what if Christians were to mock people who became “enlightened” because now they’ve become “hypocrites” to their former lifestyle? That would be stupid, wouldn’t it, condemning those who now practice what you believe to be true? So why are you condemning people like Haggard who was only “having a good time with a homosexual”? Kind of makes you a double-minded hypocrite, doesn’t it? You’re only interested in gotchya, not having people becoming “enlightened” and embracing the alternative lifestyles of gays, druggies, and prostitutes who are only trying to make an honest living. How utterly Victorian short-sighted of you. With his behavior, Haggard was merely validating what liberals have been saying all along, there’s nothing wrong with being a homosexual because you’re born that way. Haggard doesn’t have to pretend any more about his true sexual orientation. Obviously he and other “Christian moralists” are being oppressed by the ridiculous moral mandates of an outdated, anachronistic religion. Lieger, YOU SHOULD BE CELEBRATING HAGGARD’S SELF-DISCOVERY, NOT FURTHER CONDEMING HIM! In your world he’s been liberated, ya moron!

  • 95 Darthmeister // Apr 28, 2007 at 8:24 pm

    And I suppose you would instead be applauding Rush Limbaugh if he had sought out ‘medical marijuana” instead of legal prescription drugs, eh? It appears you would deny a man in constant, agonizing pain the means to alleviate that pain. What a cruel and evil legalistic you are, lieger, wishing pain and suffering on a fellow human being merely on the basis of repressive drug laws that belong in the Dark Ages instead of the 21st Century. You must be some kind of moralistic kkkloset kkkonservative, mocking people who are trying to embrace the compassionate lifestyle you preach. What utter evil, leading a horse to water but not letting him drink … AND then mocking them on top of it all! When will you become consistent in your world view and begin applying the compassion you claim to have to ALL people equally - both liberals and conservatives - instead of a being an ignorant, hateful partisan hack who wishes suffering and embarassment on people you politically hate? How perfectly gauche. Are you sure you’re enlightened?

  • 96 Darthmeister // Apr 28, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    More on honey bees here. Comment thread makes some very interesting and informative points.

  • 97 Liger // Apr 28, 2007 at 10:50 pm

    From Mirriam-Webster:

    Hypocrite
    Pronunciation: ‘hi-p&-”krit
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
    1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
    2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

    Nothing in there about remaining unrepentant. But then again, the dictionary is notoriously known for its liberal bias.

    Love,
    Liger

  • 98 Effeminem // Apr 29, 2007 at 2:37 am

    What? We’re living in the end times?

    I guess those 30 year bonds are worthless then.

  • 99 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 29, 2007 at 4:52 am

    Simply put, we’ve been in the “end times” since Jesus left.

    “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”~~Acts 1:11

  • 100 Shelly // Apr 29, 2007 at 7:39 am

    Liger doesn’t think he’s violated that definition? We’re making progress with the troll folks! He’s condemning homosexuality and prostitution in all forms and practices. It’s good to know he will be there to condemn the Dems who are short to be brought out by this fiasco.

  • 101 Shelly // Apr 29, 2007 at 7:40 am

    short = soon, sorry someone distracted me…

  • 102 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 8:22 am

    Good point, Shelly. Unless one is willing to condemn homosexuality, prostitution, adultery, and illegal drug use as sinful lifestyles, one certainly has no moral right condemning or mocking ANYONE for those behaviors. Quote your Miriam-Webster bible all you want, lieger, you still aren’t dealing with your own kangaroo court double-standards. Besides, dear progressive, is wasn’t like any of the people you were condemning ever got a girl drunk at a party and then drowned her in their Oldsmobile, right? How about a sense of proportion here? I was just availing my self of liberal logic so don’t condemn me for doing so.

    Like I said, given your own moral standards (whatever that may be from one day to the next), why aren’t you celebrating the fact Haggard is being liberally enlightened and is now getting closer to casting off the Victorian moral strictures that have kept him from self-actualization all those years … you know all those years of repression and denial about the latent homosexual/bisexual within himself? Ya can’t have it both ways, troll. At some point you have to accept Ted Haggard in love and liberal compassion, particularly as he moves closer to your worldview where homosexuality and prostitution really aren’t sinful. You know, leading a horse to water and all that.

    Another topic:

    Racism offsets. This could be just what the liberals need. A vote for Obama would be a racism offset. This matches the fraudulent “carbon offsets” the libs have HAD such glowing praise for. Just like liberals, all talk and no substance. Libs always put form over substance, just like lieger. WHERE’S THE TREES?!

  • 103 upnorthlurkin // Apr 29, 2007 at 8:26 am

    Good Morning (most) everyone! Spring has finally sprung up here!! Whoopee!

    Shelly, re: #100….don’t count on it! :lol:

  • 104 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 29, 2007 at 9:02 am

    upnorth

    weather has been right fine down here, but you all have been warmer than us folk

    southern Ohio talk off/

    The sun is shining upon us today. I will likely grab the camera and try to shoot those elusive Red Wing blackbirds again. sigh

  • 105 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 9:05 am

    My view of hypocrisy. The dictionary definition certainly has merit as far as it goes. The etymology of the word certainly breaks down into the succinct definition contained in dictionaries in general. From a technical standpoint we are all hypocrites to one degree or another, so the fact of lieger throwing rocks in a glass house is rather perplexing given his belief about his own perfect enlightenment about moral issues.

    By definition, when any person sins (and that means ALL humankind), they are hypocrites because they violate “a person who acts in contradiction to their own stated beliefs.” Don’t we ALL do this? But what makes liberals and people like lieger such grand hypocrites is their own belief that THEY aren’t hypocrites despite the fact they spew out dictionary definitions which prove that they are! What person hasn’t violated their own standards of behavior much less God’s moral law? How’s that for hubris?

    But the Biblical understanding of hypocrisy is more nuanced than that of the Miriam-Webster dictionary. On the one hand ALL men and women are hypocrites for believing one thing and living another, we all put on airs about ourselves. But the hypocrisy that Jesus condemned was that which JUSTIFIED a double-standard, that is, it’s alright that I live like this but not others. It’s a self-justification which says “I’m enlightened, I’m me, and thus what I do is okay, but if my enemy does the same thing then I will condemn him for it, particularly if my enemy believes what he did was wrong.” A classic hypocrite lives in a state of continual unrepentance, his/her conscience is rarely pricked by the fact that their lifestyle is sinful and nauseous to a righteous and just God. But if there comes an opportunity to gain a political advantage over someone else, they end up condemning the behavior in others that they themselves would embrace if given a similar opportunity.

    The reason we call liberals hypocrites is because they don’t live up to the very standard they set for everyone else - a standard that we reject as false since there is no moral basis for their standard of, say, living carbon-neutral. Yet they continue to fail in living up to their own pretentious standard which is no standard at all! What else would you call environmentalist, global warming Democrats who continue taking their private jets even to a debates which may deal with global warming issues? A confusing hypocrisy to say the least.

    From the Christian perspective there is no doubt Ted Haggard lived in hypocrisy, but only someone who holds to that higher moral standard can make the charge. For example, Jesus would be such a person and he did make that charge against the Sadducees and Pharisees. But for some “enlightened” liberal to condemn Ted Haggard as a “hypocrite” is particularly loathesome because clearly the liberal doesn’t believe that what Haggard really did was sinful, only that what Haggard did violated his own higher moral standard - a higher standard of behavior that liberals mock as Victorian or anarchronistic! If liberals aren’t willing to condemn the behavior in question in ALL people, then where do they get off in condemning the behavior in one person? Where do those who live in the moral gutter get off condemning those who also fall into the same gutter? Of course all this points out the utter hypocrisy of “enlightened” liberals who claim they aren’t “judgmental” like those hateful reich-wing fundamentalist Christians and then go on to JUDGE those as hypocrites who fail to uphold that which liberals themselves don’t think is sinful or wrong. Now how twisted is that?

    BTW, I may have said something technically wrong about biblical hypocrisy, please forgive any imprecision I may have expressed.

  • 106 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 29, 2007 at 9:45 am

    He said to the crowd: “When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, ‘It’s going to rain,’ and it does. And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It’s going to be hot,’ and it is. Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?”~~Luke 12:54-56

  • 107 upnorthlurkin // Apr 29, 2007 at 9:58 am

    Ms. RightWing, I just saw some RW Blackbirds Friday evening when we visited some friends on the outskirts of town. They have a small pond with cat tails and tall reeds….that must attract them…

  • 108 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 10:09 am

    Rather stunning verse in light of environmentalist today (who still get it wrong about global climate) who embrace the Gaia movement and yet deny the moral climate of their day or are unwilling to acknowledge the authority of Messiah.

    I guess what I despise about liberals and modern nihilists is their denial of the absolute moral law of God by the substitution of their own standard of “morality” - i.e. being “compassionate” and “non-judgmental”. And then seeing them violate their own clearly stated lower standard of moral behavior by engaging in judgmentalism and acting without compassion toward those who fail a higher moral standard, a standard to which liberals and their PC friends are unwilling to hold themselves. They not only fail to honor the higher moral standard but they can’t even be true to their lower “moral” standard!

  • 109 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 29, 2007 at 11:10 am

    We can and must judge our own actions.

    We can and must judge our own hearts.

    On the other hand, while we can and must judge the actions of others, we can not and must not judge the hearts of others-only Almighty God can do that.

  • 110 Fred Sinclair // Apr 29, 2007 at 11:16 am

    This is good! - Heirborn Ranger

    The Sniper

    The sun beat like a hammer, not a cloud was in the sky.

    The mid-day air ran thick with dust; my throat was parched and dry.

    With microphone clutched tight in hand and cameraman in tow,

    I ducked beneath a fallen roof, surprised to hear “Stay low.”

    My eyes blinked several times before in shadow I could see,

    The figure stretched across the rubble, several steps away from me.

    He wore a cloak of burlap strips, all shades of gray and brown,

    That hung in tatters till he seemed to melt into the ground.

    He never turned his head or took his eye from off the scope,

    But pointed through the broken wall and down the rocky slope.

    “About eight hundred yards,” he said, his whispered words concise,

    Beneath the baggy jacket he is wearing a device.

    A chill ran up my spine despite the swelter of the heat,

    “You think he’s going to set it off along the crowded street?

    The sniper gave a weary sigh and said “I wouldn’t doubt it,

    Unless there’s something this old gun and I can do about it.”

    A thunder clap, a tongue of flame, the still abruptly shattered:

    While citizens that walked the street were just as quickly scattered.

    Till only one remained, a body crumpled on the ground,

    The threat to oh so many ended by a single round.

    And yet the sniper had no cheer, no hint of any gloat,

    Instead he took a logbook out and quietly he wrote.

    “Hey I could put you on TV, that shot was quite a story!”

    But he surprised me once again- “I got no wish for glory.”

    “Are you for real?” I asked in awe, “You don’t want fame or credit?”

    He looked at me with saddened eyes and said “You just don’t get it.

    “You see that shot-up length of wall, the one without a door?

    Before a mortar hit it, it was a grocery store.”

    “But don’t go thinking that to Bomb a store is all that cruel,

    The rubble just across the street -it used to be a school.

    The little kids played soccer in the field out by the road,”

    His head hung low, they never ever thought a car would just explode.

    “As bad as all this is though, it could be a whole lot worse,”

    He swallowed hard; the words came from his mouth just like a curse.

    “Today the fights on foreign land, on streets that aren’t my own,”

    “I’m here today ’cause if I fail, the next fights back at home.”

    “And I won’t let my Safeway burn, my neighbors dead inside,

    Don’t want to get a call from school that says my daughter died;

    I pray that not a one of them will know the things I see,

    Nor have the work of terrorists etched in their memory.”

    “So you can keep your trophies and your fleeting bit of fame,

    I don’t care if I make the news, or if they speak my name.”

    He glanced toward the camera and his brow began to knot,

    “If you’re looking for a story, why not give this one a shot.”

    “Just tell the truth of what you see, without the slant or spin:

    That most of us are OK and we’re coming home again.

    And why not tell our folks back home about the good we’ve done,

    How when they see Americans, the kids come at a run.”

    You tell ‘em what it means to folks here just to speak their mind,

    Without the fear that that tyranny is just a step behind:

    Describe the desert miles they walk in their first chance to vote,

    Or ask a soldier if he’s proud, I’m sure you’ll get a quote.”

    He turned and slid the rifle in a drag bag thickly padded,

    Then looked again with eyes of steel as quietly he added:

    “And maybe just remind the few, if ill of us they speak,

    That we are all that stands between the monsters and the weak.

    by Michael Marks - a Marine - 2006

  • 111 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 29, 2007 at 11:57 am

    upnorth

    That is the area red wing blackbirds love and that is where I go to shoot. It is just a little swamp area but the blackbirds love it.

    If one just sits for a short time you will hear some of the best music from a swamp you ever heard. Throw in some spring creepers and it gets even better. I distant medowlark and you have heaven.

    Darthmeister

    A hypocrite is a hypocrite in any language and when you see one there is no argument about it. Also when a “man” takes to name calling, either he is a child with man’s clothing on or he is a James Carville type lad.

    I wonder what he calls Mary Matalin.when he gets wimpy, much like our little name caller, likely he has a 5th grade vocabulary.

    God bless everyone on this beautiful spring day-even liger.

  • 112 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 29, 2007 at 12:57 pm

    Feingold. Murtha. Two good reasons to avoid the Sunday morning shows. Un. Be. Liev. A. Ble.

  • 113 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    Ms RightWing, you’re absolutely right. This issue only finds itself totally resolved in the person of Messiah Jesus. In any language a hypocrite is a hypocrite, we’re all hypocrites because we’re all sinners. But there is something hideous about the disbelieving citizen of this terrestrial realm who points the finger of judgment at God’s own elect while justifying themselves and their unrighteous agenda. This is the self-righteousness which God condemns, a “righteousness” based on the edicts of fallible man and not upon the absolute moral law of God.

    For all those who are the children of God through the blood of the risen Savior, the Bible says Jesus always lives to make intercession for those whom He bought by His blood on the Cross. But for those who choose to live according to the dictates of their depraved and unregenerate mind, there will only be a terrifying expectation of God’s wrath. And it is the unrepentant sinner who delights when Christians fall into sin and disgrace because it justifies in their mind their rejection of the moral law of God and the Gospel of Christ. There are only two kind of people in the world, those who have had their sins forgiven at the foot of the Cross, and those who haven’t. And it is precisely this truth which makes “the heathen rage” even more.

    Ted Haggard has much to answer for before the Great God of the Universe, not only as an individual but also as a leader. But he is a sinner saved by grace, if indeed he is a Christian - and I have little doubt that he is. And though Mr. Haggard never spoke for more than five percent of the evangelicals here in America (I had never heard of him before the scandal), he has made the Church of Jesus Christ vulnerable to the fingerpointing mockers and scoffers who, unless they repent, will one day find themselves standing condemned before the Living Judge of all. And how much more will the scoffer’s judgment be for mocking God’s elect and the blood of Messiah that bought them?

  • 114 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    Mark Steyn:

    Everything’s difficult, isn’t it? In the Democratic presidential candidates’ debate, Sen. Barack Obama was asked what he personally was doing to save the environment, and replied that his family was “working on” changing their light bulbs.

    Is this the new version of the old joke? How many senators does it take to “work on” changing a light bulb? One to propose a bipartisan commission. One to threaten to de-fund the light bulbs. One to demand the impeachment of Bush and Cheney for keeping us all in the dark. One to vote to pull out the first of the light bulbs by fall of this year with a view to getting them all pulled out by the end of 2008.

    Obama is an empty suit, but liberals think he’s brilliant! Buwahahahahahaha. May God have mercy on America if this intellectual lite-weight ever becomes president. It sounds like I’ve already done more the environment than Barack Obama has. Maybe he could hitchhike to the next Democratic debate to make his carbon footprint a little smaller.

  • 115 onlineanalyst // Apr 29, 2007 at 3:13 pm

    A Brit tells us in the inimitably dry way that his countrymen have about “The Trouble with Islam” in this video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=418_1176494781. Enjoy!

  • 116 Fred Sinclair // Apr 29, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Darthmeister - Barak Hussein Obama is sorely in need of our prayers. In the highly unlikely event that he should be elected President in 2007 then in the manner that one man became President in 1963, he (Obama) will not be around to be sworn into office in Jan 2008.

    As with Johnson, when he was told by Kennedy that he (Kennedy) would have a different running mate, when he ran for re-election. Johnson did what he did, that was necessary to ensure the name Lyndon B. Johnson was included in the historical list of US Presidents.

    I do not believe that Obama will be elected. His best hope is that a Conservative Republican like Hunter or Thompson will be elected instead of himself.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 117 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 29, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    RE: #115~~
    onlineanalyst~~

    Thank you! Hilarious!

    (The period at the end of the link is the problem)

  • 118 Fred Sinclair // Apr 29, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    I haven’t had a really good laugh in a long time…. then Drudge comes up with this. The big dictionary doesn’t have the word “parping” or anything close but I gotta figure they mean flatulence, I wonder just how one would go about “capturing” bovine flatulence? Would it infringe on the Hindu religion to force the folks in India to strap emission capturing bags to their worshipped cows? Once captured, how to dispose of it? Would a nearby spark cause a methane gas explosion? Would the resulting fire cause more damage than the unburned gas?

    Should I invest in a company that manufactures cow sized flatulence bags? What about horse flatulence? How much would a flatulence bag strapped on a race horse affect the running of the Kentucky Derby? One size fits all for cows, sheep and horses? Little bity bags for all of the world’s mice and rats” I’m not sure but they probably flatulate too, who is going to strap all those little bags in place? Who is going to empty them? and what about 6 billion people? Must we all begin wearing flatulence bags? Inquiring minds need to know. - Waxless Fred

    April 28, 2007

    BARMY Euro MPs are demanding new laws to stop cows and sheep PARPING.

    Their call came after the UN said livestock emissions were a bigger threat to the planet than transport.
    The MEPs have asked the European Commission to “look again at the livestock question in direct connection with global warming”.
    The official EU declaration demands changes to animals’ diets, to capture gas emissions and recycle manure.

    They warned: “The livestock sector presents the greatest threat to the planet.” The proposal will be looked at by the 27 member states.

    The UN says livestock farming generates 18 per cent of greenhouse gases while transport accounts for 14 per cent.

    Heirborn Ranger

  • 119 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    Fred, I wonder how much gas dinosaurs “parped”? Maybe that’s what caused global warming back then because its pretty well documented that most of the planet was tropical to temperate. I have news for the Global Warmism culties, the climate is always changing from cold to warm, wet to dry and back again even during our lifetimes. But the Chicken Littles always manage to grab the headlines.

  • 120 GnuCarSmell // Apr 29, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    A beauty contest in Saudi Arabia proves that talent and good looks can coexist in one elegant package. “The nose should be long and droop down, that’s more beautiful,” explains Sultan al-Qahtani, one of the organizers. “The ears should stand back, and the neck should be long.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070427.DOUBLETAKE27/TPStory/TPInternational/Africa/

  • 121 EXT // Apr 29, 2007 at 9:41 pm

    A definite problem with the diapering of livestock arises when even considering the inclusion of goats in some Middle Eastern nations.

    The potential for an increase in world population though limitations that might impose should have global warming theorists proposing a boycott of European products!

    Especially diapers. Well, except those with easy on-easy off velcro ™ fastenings…..

  • 122 Darthmeister // Apr 29, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Deborah Palfrey piqued fascination — and anxiety — by first threatening to sell phone records that could unveil thousands of clients, and then handing them over, apparently for free, to ABC News. She is scheduled to appear tomorrow in U.S. District Court in the District.

    Handing her phone records over to ABC News? One has to wonder how many liberal Democrat names will be redacted from the record by ABC when they go public. Any Republican name will be front page news until Election 2008 and they only have themselves to blame.

    Given the politics of personal destruction going on in that town the last three years, surely these dimwits should have figured out their names would be eventually leaked. What is it about Washington that makes people on both sides of the aisle go stupid? Of course damage to Democrats will be minimized since this kind of behavior is expected of a “liberated” progressives. Any Republican may as well kiss his political career goodbye. That’s just the way it works now.

  • 123 EXT // Apr 29, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    There are circumstances in which credit cards should not be used but the names of political opponents should be. And is this not why God created pre-paid cell phones?

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