(2007-03-25) — A source close to Dick Cheney said today that the vice president has suggested freeing 15 British sailors and marines from Iranian captivity by trading former President Jimmy Carter for the hostages.
The deal, which Mr. Cheney reportedly believes “has a certain poetic justice to it”, would require an executive order signed by President George Bush, but the unnamed source said presidential adviser Karl Rove “can take care of that as usual without bothering the president with the details.”
White House insiders said the trade would not violate the Bush administration’s policy of refusing to negotiate with terrorists, “since only one party in this deal would receive anything of strategic value.”
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1 Big Java // Mar 25, 2007 at 6:15 am
Now that’s a trade! Everyone wins!
2 MargeinMI // Mar 25, 2007 at 6:37 am
YES! DO IT DICK!!!!!!
3 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 7:11 am
Well, it all makes sense. Jimmy Carter is the winner of the Nobel Peace prize and Iranians being Muslim are the people of the “religion of peace.”
What’s most important in situations like this is to remember that Iranians are Persian Muslims and not Arab Muslims. Clearly they are only righteously reacting to the Persian defamations found in the movie 300 and the drunken British sailors were the most convenient means to express their outrage … THEIR OUTRAGE, I tell ya! So I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that a Greek ship would be peacefully hijacked on the high seas to further assuage the Iranians sensibilities.
4 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 7:12 am
…Ahmadaboutjihad stole my post.
5 onlineanalyst // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:14 am
Why not? There is a perfect symmetry to this offer. Brzezinski, the National Security Advisor for Jimmah Catarrh (*spit*), claims that our nation is “terrorized by the war on terror”. Shouldn’t Catarrh learn the facts about hostages and overt acts of terrorism up close and personally since he missed the lesson back in 1979?
6 Karl Rove » Karl Rove March 25, 2007 8:33 am // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:21 am
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7 JamesonLewis3rd // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:29 am
God Bless America
8 Shelly // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:35 am
Works for me…
IMAO thinks that 2500 years from now there will be a movie titled “15.”
9 JamesonLewis3rd // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:43 am
Not that the Iranians care, mind you, but it is my understanding that, if they actually try those Brits for espionage as they have threatened, they will be violating the Geneva Convention.
I only mention this because it has a touch of irony to it.
Back in the day, before “touchy/feely” warfare, those sailors/soldiers/whatevertheyare would never have been taken to Tehran-there’s a whole mess of US Navy in the area, after all. Why they didn’t swarm the captors, I’ll never know. Maybe, they couldn’t find Pelosi or Murtha to get permission.
Imagine a boxer going into the ring. He’s determined to win. He’s only allowed to throw left jabs. His opponent has no such restrictions.
Iran needs to go down.
10 JamesonLewis3rd // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:56 am
The Geneva Convention “Article 46. Spies” (Paragraph 2), to which I referred above, can be found about half-way down the page.
11 Ms RightWing, Ink // Mar 25, 2007 at 10:40 am
I think peanuts can grow fairly well in the Iranian sand pits. Hmm, Arab Butter, half camel milk, half peanut butter. Say, I think we are on to sumptin’ here.
12 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 11:25 am
That evil genius Karl Rove! We’ve been foiled again. Clearly the racist neo-kkkons wanted to get rid of the highly-ineffective buffoonish Latino AG, Gonzales (because kkkonservatives are racist by definition … and homophobic and misogynistic to boot), so they had to trump up a means to get rid of him. Now they can put in the real Rove-bot they’ve wanted all along and there goes our constitutional rights right down the toilet! Next thing you know the new Attorney General will pull a Reno (who actually had good reasons to immolate 88 Americans on the strength of the allegations that David Koresh wasn’t really a nice guy) and start kicking in our doors and sending us to the death camps that the Chimperor has secretly built to handle his political enemies.
What genius, get the Democrats to get worked up not over any crime that may have been committed by Gonzales but rather over the seriousness of the charges of I-M-P-R-O-P-I-E-T-Y. Even the most moronic Amerikkkan knows that under the Constitution U.S. Attorneys only serve at the pleasure of the President, hence also the Attorney General. Once again the Rethugs prove it’s all about politics, excepting of course the good Democratic Senators like Patrick Leahy who have always proved themselves to be above mere political theater and rank partisanship.
In light of this new development we must surrender in Iraq.
13 RedPepper // Mar 25, 2007 at 11:28 am
This makes all kinds of sense!
To begin with, Jimmy Carter has made
meddlinginvolving himself in foreign affairs a sort of post-presidency hobby, and he has specialized inappeasingsitting down and reasoning withmurderous thugsnationalistic “men of the people”. This should be a slam-dunk for a man of his experience! Plus, the Iranians owe him big-time; after all, what other U.S. President would have allowed the ‘79 hostage crisis to drag on for 444 days?You go, Jimmah …
14 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 11:37 am
Everthink isn’t as progressive as I thought back on the Army Desertions thread. But he really is starting to make sense. I’ve done a real 180 now since I’ve become enlightened as he has.
15 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 12:03 pm
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” Thomas Jefferson
Oh, oh, we progressives have to be more careful when attributing a quote to Thomas Jefferson. The mouthbreathing neo-kkkons resort to Internet trickery in hopes of “proving” us wrong.
But apparently when the uber-patriots Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and ACLU head Nadine Strossen were speaking truth to power by quoting, in good faith, views on dissent, it actually wasn’t Thomas Jefferson who so eloquently opined the powerful truth above about dissent (whether truthful dissent or not) but rather it was Dorothy Hewitt Hutchinson. Unfortunately Jefferson never said anything remotely approximating that opinion.
However, Hutchinson was a dissenter and strict pacifist who opposed World War II as immoral and illegal though she also made it a point of ignoring any “dissent” when it was directed toward her own arguments. But what all this proves is that World War II was also an immoral war conducted by the imperialist warmonger himself, FDR. Hutchinson’s views are the moral precedence.
I also think the American people can understand that in our progressive zeal to protest Chimperors illegal and immoral warmongering after 9/11 we may have wrongly attributed the following quote to Julius Caesar:
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind.
And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.
How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
Click the link to see the “truth” (whatever that is from day to day) about the Caesar quote.
16 conserve-a-tips // Mar 25, 2007 at 12:46 pm
A Carter Barter - how ingenius.
A Flop Swap - how brilliant.
A Schmeel Deal - how great!
A Schmo Go - how wonderful!
OK, I’ll stop.
17 myword // Mar 25, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Darth - #15
So the supposed quote by Caesar is “A Convenient
Untruth.”
18 Rogue100 // Mar 25, 2007 at 2:09 pm
News just in that Jimmy Carter has volunteered to the swap.
Carter found out that many Iranians live in substandard housing and wants to expand Habitat for Humanity.
The new venture “Townhouses for Terrorists” is funded by MoveOn.org and will receive subsidies from the new Democrat Congress.
19 Rogue100 // Mar 25, 2007 at 2:14 pm
Darth, I’ve got a more appropriate quote (it’s an oldie but goody:
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill
20 onlineanalyst // Mar 25, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Was the peanut pork in the recent House appropriations bill a sop to the former Peanut President?
OT but speaking of Leaky Leahy (#12), the blustering senator was singing a different tune about congressional subpoenas back in 1999.
Word has it around the blogosphere that the Dhimmicrats are pushing the Gonzales issue of the dismissal of the US Attorneys not just because the parties’ aim is to implicate and destroy Rove but because the DOJ is getting close to determining who the intelligence leakers are. Do you think that these underminers may possibly be Congressional Democrats?
21 onlineanalyst // Mar 25, 2007 at 2:26 pm
History reveals that the hyterical young girls who falsely accused their fellow Salemites in the infamous witch trials were actually deluded by a hallucinatory-inducing mold growing on peanuts.
Has Jimmah been serving such peanuts to his party on the D.C. cocktail circuit? The Dhimmis certainly have delusions of relevance when it comes to determining national security policy and priorities.
22 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Speaking as a reborn progressive, I think Cheney ought to offer to trade his lesbian daughter for those British soldiers. Clearly, one American lesbian is worth at least fifteen British soldiers and probably worth more than thirty Iranian freedom fighters. Let the games begin!
23 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 3:07 pm
BTW, everthink is right. What right does Cheney have to run a war (since he and Rove are the real puppetmasters of the Chimperor) unless he forces his lesbian daughter to join the military and die in Iraq?
24 Darthmeister // Mar 25, 2007 at 3:13 pm
Rogue, how do you know John Stuart Mills actually said that? Sure, sure, you can Google the quote and it always comes up “John Stuart Mills”, but how do you know it’s not an evil vast right-wing conspiracy that has put words in the mouth of the very dead Mills in order to embarass us progressives who are morally and legally opposed the war in Iraq?
This is why we must give meaning to the sacrifice of those American
stormtrooperssoldiers who died in Iraq by admitting defeat and redeploying to Okinawa as the military genius John Murtha has suggested.And don’t you dare question my patriotism since I SUPPORT THE TROOPS. Bring them home now so they can be brought before war crimes tribunals! The excuse of “I was only following orders” wont’ cut it this time around!!!
25 Possumtrot // Mar 25, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Goodness! Things are heating up!
I still think it’s a silly idea to pick a war with the Brits. We barely beat them the first time.
That nasty business with the Falklands is mostly forgotten, unless you’re Argentinian. Our cousins across the pond can still assemble a fleet and pay a visit when motivated. If I was Mr. “Ah’m a madman”, I think I’d be looking for a way to let them fellers go. Despite the ravings of Those People like Harry Reid and Chuckie-doll Shumer, we are still the biggest bullies on the block, and we back our friends.
The British navy is the finest in the world. They are also unparalled at building tanks. I’d be looking elsewhere for a fight.
26 camojack // Mar 25, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Methinks the jihadis would prefer to leave their operative in place…
27 conserve-a-tips // Mar 25, 2007 at 9:00 pm
I’m thinking that the Iranians will look at the old and wrinkled socialist figure of Jimmy Carter as we offer him in exchange and they will say, while shaking their heads, “No…compared to what we really want, that’s just peanuts.”
28 meesterbig // Mar 25, 2007 at 10:55 pm
This is the perfect made-for-Hollywood movie titled, “The Taking of Tehran, 1-2-3.”
After Carter introduces 21% interest rates to the Iranian economy, the country will implode within a couple of years without the West firing a shot.
29 The Solution to the Iran Crisis at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source. // Mar 26, 2007 at 5:10 am
[...] Scott Ott over at Scrappleface reports on this fast-breaking story: (2007-03-25) — A source close to Dick Cheney said today that the vice president has suggested freeing 15 British sailors and marines from Iranian captivity by trading former President Jimmy Carter for the hostages. [...]
30 Darthmeister // Mar 26, 2007 at 6:09 am
meesterbig, Jimmy Carter was the greatest President we Americans ever had. Clearly he meant well. It wasn’t Carter’s fault that Reagan secret operatives sabotaged the economy with a stagflation which resulted in double digit interest rates on loans, double-digit morgage rates, double digit inflation and over seven percent unemployment to ease Gimpy’s election in 1980.
You know, Scrapplers, everthink is right about some of us being Christofascists. I don’t know how he found out how we sit around in our churches thinking up ways to drag homosexuals out into the streets and beat them to within an inch of their lives, plant burning crosses in the front yards of atheists, or organize into bands of hooligans to throw bricks through the windows of radical feminists and anti-war peaceniks just like it was Krystalnacht.
And how dare Christofascists judge people according to their (im)moral behavior. Some Christofascist males probably sit around in their basement handloading thousands of rounds of ammo praying for the day they can use them on people like everthink. And if they buy their ammo at Walmartâ„¢ they’re merely demonstrating what a bunch of capitalist pigs they really are propping an evil multi-national corporation like that. Freakin’ Nazis! Everthink’s really opened my eyes!
Of course the only reason we don’t hear about all these stories is because the national media, CBS/NBC/ABC/NPR/CNN/NYT/WaPo/MSNBC, are really reich-wing subversives just like FOX News. Dang fascists, they always hang together and cover for each other.
But when progressive people of peace key a car, shout a kkkonservative down, flip neo-kkkons off, send death threats in the mail to Booooosh supporters or throw fecal matter into a Bush-bot’s frontyard, they’re merely speaking truth to power and engaging in a benign form of truthiness that will ultimately bring peace and harmony to the world while love steers the stars! How could I have been so blind! It must have been those evil Rovian Mind Control Rays. Bush must be impeached and we must surrender in Iraq!
31 Darthmeister // Mar 26, 2007 at 6:55 am
Nightmare of Foreclosure Looms for Millions of Americans
Thanks, Shrubya, for the worst economy since the Great Depression. Clearly the fair and balanced media isn’t overstating the problem.
32 Possumtrot // Mar 26, 2007 at 7:32 am
Do I detect a note of sarcasm here, Darth One?
So, what’s the problem with sitting in the basement handloading thousands of rounds of ammunition? I do that every day. My neighborhood is exceptionally clean and safe. The kids can wander out any time of the day or night.
33 Darthmeister // Mar 26, 2007 at 8:30 am
When confronted with a ban-gun argument from a friend, I usually get around to asking them this simple question, “Would you rather have me babysit your daughters and sons while packing my .45 or would you rather have Charles Manson (Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Bill Clinton etc.) babysit them even though disarmed?” It’s the people, stupid, not the gun!
Of course the question is irrelevant in their utopian world.
34 everthink // Mar 26, 2007 at 12:38 pm
“meesterbig, Jimmy Carter was the greatest President we Americans ever had.”
Naw, that would be Bill Clinton, and thanks to you all, he may get a third term.
You had your chance to drive, but you choose to put a complete idiot behind the wheel.
ET
35 everthink // Mar 26, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Say Donkeykong,
Where do you get your news?
ET
36 everthink // Mar 26, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Well since you axed; I guess Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, and Bill Clinton would be OK.
But, both Charley and you would definitely have a bad influence on young minds.
ET
37 Jericho // Mar 26, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Can we throw in the eight fired do nothing US Attorney too?
38 nomoregore // Mar 26, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Since there’s a new movie called ‘300′, I suggest a new documentary called ‘444′ to remind the world that Carter began this precedent of allowing the kidnapping foreign nationals by Iran.
Oh, yeah. He got a ‘Peace Prize’. Whoop-dee-doo.
39 BitsBlog » Passport, Edwards (What else?) new Tolkien, captions, anger in history and more. // Mar 26, 2007 at 9:37 pm
[...] * Scott Ott over at Scrappleface comes up with a real gem of an idea, today… the idea, here, it is to trade the fifteen British sailors is currently in a rainy in captivity for peanut brained Jimmy Carter. Ott suggests that only one party would get anything of value, there. He’s right, by the way…. there is a certain amount of poetic justice to this one. [...]
40 Morning Glory 2 Cheney Allegedly Offers to Trade Carter for Hostages « // Mar 27, 2007 at 4:30 am
[...] Shamelessly lifted from ScrappleFace Posted in Current Events. [...]
41 A solution to the Iran hostage crisis « Absolute Moral Authority // Mar 27, 2007 at 3:08 pm
[...] Posted by mesablue on March 27th, 2007 Cheney allegedly offers to trade Carter for hostages March 25, 2007 Cheney Allegedly Offers to Trade Carter for Hostages by Scott Ott (2007-03-25) — A source close to Dick Cheney said today that the vice president has suggested freeing 15 British sailors and marines from Iranian captivity by trading former President Jimmy Carter for the hostages. [...]
42 Rogue100 // Mar 27, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Darthmeister,
Cheney now has more combat experience than 99% of Congress…(stemming from that little unpleasantry in Afghanistan involving a suicide bomber.)
Can’t call him a ChickenHawk anymore.
43 Pros and Cons » Does this man seem “Ronery” to you? // Apr 1, 2007 at 6:50 pm
[...] UPDATE: Scott Ott long ago had an appropriate reaction both to Iran’s most recent tantrum and to “Zig’s” legacy in the Persian Gulf. [...]
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