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Bill Amended to Cap Emissions & Federal Spending

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(2009-09-30) — In an effort to move climate change legislation past Republican opposition, Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, today announced he had amended the cap-and-trade bill to require that a 20-percent reduction in carbon dioxide emissions be matched by a 20-percent cut in federal spending by 2020. Both provisions would use the year 2005 as the baseline for comparison.

“Climate change and unrestrained federal spending both threaten our nation with looming disaster,” said Sen. Kerry. “If the government can stop global climate change by Congressional fiat, how much more can we reduce something that’s actually under our control?”

By 2050, the measure would target an 83-percent reduction in both CO2 emissions and federal spending, cutting the latter from $2.5 trillion in 2005 to $425 billion in 2050.

The original bill achieves the appearance of CO2 emissions reductions by allowing heavy polluters to buy carbon credits from firms with low carbon output.

Likewise, the federal spending amendment to the cap-and-trade bill would allow government to continue its ever-increasing expenditures, as long as it made payments to organizations that advocate limited government, like the Heritage Foundation, Club for Growth, National Review and The Weekly Standard magazines, PJTV, radio hosts Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham, Hugh Hewitt and hundreds of blogs.

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  • 1 BooHoo // Sep 30, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Well, if this doesn't tell you that even the liberals know that the debate on global warming isn't over, I don't know what will. This whole bill needs to be scrapped and the 20 percent reduction in government spending needs to be changed to 50 percent reduction. I'm all for clean air and clear earth, but doing crap just to make the greenies rich with is going way too far. Find another hobbie.

  • 2 boberinyetagain // Sep 30, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Love this part…
    "The original bill achieves the appearance of CO2 emissions reductions by allowing heavy polluters to buy carbon credits from firms with low carbon output."

    How long before polluters figure out that they can start a bogus company with zero output and then pay themselves for the credits from the ficticious enterprise? Then they'll surely qualify for some sort of tax credit or other assistance, possibly to both companies…and from there it gets messy.

    Such nonsense!
    About a nono-second…

  • 3 camojack // Sep 30, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    “If the government can stop global climate change by Congressional fiat, how much more can we reduce something that’s actually under our control?”

    I think a most excellent start on reducing something that’s actually under their control would be the CO2 emissions from Congrefs…as in, all that "hot air", y'know?

  • 4 ChileSerrano // Sep 30, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    “Nice little planet you got here. Be a shame if anything happened to it.”

    I think I've seen this movie before …

  • 5 Hawkeye_R // Sep 30, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    I'm all in favor! I think my blog might even qualify! I could use some "stimulus" right about now… (:D) Best regards.

  • 6 CallMeShelly // Sep 30, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Cold weather has settled over NE Ohio forcing me to stay inside. No extra CO2 credits in my mail box. Hey Mr President, quite flying all over the globe with your stupid polluting jet. No, on second thought stay in Europe.

    Like I said, I have to stay inside and try my new medicine. Though my head is fuzzy my Shadows of America has a new page

    School Days Part Deux
    http://shadowsofamerica.blogspot.com/

  • 7 Possumtrot // Sep 30, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    A bit hard to follow, but the sting is in the tail, as the saying goes.

    Please consider the following:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back to bondage.”

    This quote has been attributed to a number of different historians and authors, among them Alexander Tyler—or Tytler, if you please—Benjamin Disraeli, Arnold Toynbee, Lord Thomas Macaulay, Jack the Ripper, and others.

    There is commentary on this over at United Possums International.

    (Every time I post a plug here, I get a few more readers. Thanks for the indulgence, Great Scott!)

  • 8 boberinyetagain // Sep 30, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Love the photos! You do nice work. The girl on the horse…posed in front of the gas pumps was my favorite!

  • 9 ChileSerrano // Sep 30, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Seems that today's column by Tom Friedman has generated some controversy. Here is a post on Power Line about it:

    Why Tom Friedman should have followed his alleged instincts.

    And, to give you a bit of ambience, here is a comment on the post, by "edcottingham":

    Friedman has outdone his hyperventilating, hypocritical self today. He thinks we don't have the video tape of what has gone on in this country for the past few decades, the insane, incendiary, continuous stream of bile from the Left. He especially thinks, I suppose, that no one recalls Bush assassination chic. And I find his gratuitious factoid about the beer he shared with Yitzhak Rabin just before he was assassinated to be repulsively self-promoting, reminiscent of Jesse Jackson's eagerness to smear himself with the blood of the dying Martin Luther King (or, at least, to imagine that he had).

  • 10 JesseRaphial // Sep 30, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Where can I buy stock?

  • 11 JesseRaphial // Sep 30, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    How about a 19 percent reduction, uh?

  • 12 onlineanalyst // Sep 30, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Your photo restorations are wonderful, MsRWInk! I love looking at old photos, especially those in black and white.

    I don't know if you have friends to drive you to Pittsburgh (The G-20 anarchists are gone.) or even if the exhibit is still running, but the Scaife Gallery in Oakland had a neat collection of "portraits" from daguerrotype to digital that captured the qualities of the changes in photography and the character of the various people portrayed. I thought that it was neat.

  • 13 JamesonLewis3rd // Sep 30, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    If all living creatures (those that exhale or excrete CO2, that is) would limit themselves to one exhalation per hour, we could alter Earth's ancient climate patterns. Remember, every time you exhale you are Killing our Planet and making the Universe less habitable.

  • 14 onlineanalyst // Sep 30, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Those of us who were awake during the 2008 presidential run, saw the writing on the wall re an Obama presidency. More and more of the economists who have surrounded Obamao are rightfully disturbed that their advice is being ignored in the shaping of policy. Obamao's policy people are described as a "wrecking crew," who are destroying American prosperity in order to achieve their social ends.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/09/024...

    Our nation is headed to a Hugo Chavez world, and the consequences will not be pretty,

  • 15 onlineanalyst // Sep 30, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Those of us who were awake during the 2008 presidential run saw the writing on the wall re an Obama presidency. More and more of the economists who have surrounded Obamao are rightfully disturbed that their advice is being ignored in the shaping of policy. Obamao's policy people are described as a "wrecking crew," who are destroying American prosperity in order to achieve their social ends.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/09/024...

    Our nation is headed to a Hugo Chavez world, and the consequences will not be pretty,

  • 16 CallMeShelly // Sep 30, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Thanks for your kind words. I have always been a lover of black and white photos and I feel it to be a privilege to have someone's long forgotten photos in my hands where it can be put out for others to enjoy.

    I get to Pittsburgh occasionally, mostly to go to Ikea but unlikely I will get to the museum. I will watch for the exhibit to come to the Cleveland Museum. I talked to the Akron Museum about exhibiting some of my work but they must have smelled conservatism on me and after a bit of snobbery I left. I am looking for a place to exhibit some old and new. I will put some new photos on Shelly's Cafe but first I must learn how to watermark them

    Again, thanks for your warm remarks

    Micheala

  • 17 CallMeShelly // Sep 30, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    I always take time to thank those who add nice comments. Like I just told another Scrappler, I consider it an honor to fix, repair and display long forgotten pictures. Who can imagine what folks from a time nearly 100 years ago who found their pictures on some new fangled machine would think. Sort of like being famous after years and years of eternal sleep.

    Again thanks for your comments.

  • 18 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 12:10 am

    Would historical societies, your local library, or local college campuses be interested in mounting your exhibit?

  • 19 CallMeShelly // Oct 1, 2009 at 1:20 am

    Maybe, I will be checking around soon. I have a huge collection of local pictures since I see things at a much slower pace than car drivers. Guess there is even something good about powerchairs. I never leave home without my camera. Digital has made shooting much cheaper. With the colder weather moving in it will give me more time to call around. When the sun shines I am gone!

  • 20 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Lets just start one…better yet several…there's gold in them thar phony businesses!

  • 21 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    You've earned all the kudos I could give and many more!

  • 22 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Or, this might all work out and make us better/stronger/more prosperous than ever. Whenever anyone trys anything new or different there are huge segments of folks that just can't "see it"…but, sometimes things work out swimmingly well.
    Granted, sometimes they don't but…same old/same old wasn't working too well either…it did seem to get us in a bit of a bind a small while ago

  • 23 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Now that's a funny comment!

    I think reducing exhalation by half should do it. Lets start with that and see how it goes!

  • 24 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    "… matched by a 20-percent cut in federal spending by 2020."

    If Cap-and-Trade is enacted, federal revenues will fall by far more than that. Of course federal spending isn't necessarily linked to federal resources, but spending will encounter a de facto limit when the government's checks start bouncing (like this).

  • 25 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    "… matched by a 20-percent cut in federal spending by 2020."

    If Cap-and-Trade is enacted, federal revenues will fall by far more than 20%. Of course federal spending isn't necessarily linked to federal resources, but spending will encounter a de facto limit when the government's checks start bouncing (like this) and nobody will accept them anymore.

  • 26 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Just wondering if anyone else has tried to call their Senator/Congressman like I have and gotten NOTHING but busy signals/FULL voice mails/or recorded messages that if you leave name and number they will call you back BUT then do NOT?

    The junior Senator from Indiana, Evan Bayh, is up for election next November, yet he ACTS LIKE he is invinceable. Just for the record, I wish Senator Dick Lugar (R.I.N.O.) IN was up then too, as I will NOT vote for him again either!!!

  • 27 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    As for my "representative" in the House, Andre Carson, there is no need to EVER call him again as he has been bought and paid for by the DNC who "installed him" after his Granny, (Julia Carson) died and left the seat to him in her will!

    Check out Carson here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Carson

    Don't let his dumb "look" fool you, he really is dumb. That is just what the DNC looked for and GOT!!!

    What is needed in the large metropolis areas, (that have been taken over by the libs/progressives/socialists), is to concentrate our efforts, (like the Tea parties), to rally on election day and weed out these scumbags from BOTH parties, (even though we ALL know, there are MANY more on the left) !!!

  • 28 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    As for my "representative" in the House, Andre Carson, there is no need to EVER call him again as he has been bought and paid for by the DNC who "installed him" after his Granny, (Julia Carson) died and left the seat to him in her will!

    Check out Carson here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Carson

    Don't let his dumb "look" fool you, he really is dumb. That is just what the DNC looked for and GOT!!!

    What is needed in the large metropolis areas, (that have been taken over by the libs/progressives/socialists), is to concentrate our efforts, (like the Tea parties), to rally on election day and weed out these scumbags from BOTH parties, (even though we ALL know, there are MANY more on the left) !!!

  • 29 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    I see that my comment about contacting politicians from BOTH party's has received a thumbs down. Pretty funny that it HAS TO BE from the poster who ALWAYS cries about getting a thumbs down to his comments. What a hypocrite! lol

  • 30 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Well, I never did get a response from you to my challenge that we stop that nonsense and, I noted that all of my comments, mostly harmless/generic on this thread also got the thumb once you decided to bring your marbles back and play…so…

    Maybe your reps don't want to speak with you?

  • 31 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Typical lib, you HAVE to have a responce or you will continue to be a little baby.

    Buzz off crybaby boy.

  • 32 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Smiley face!

  • 33 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    I assumed your response was thumbing down each of my comments on this thread. I took that to mean that you'd like to continue. Did I read that wrong? If so my apologies because I really do love you. And deep down, you know it

  • 34 Libby_Gone // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    JL3,
    The main problem with your argument is that although CO2 emissions would be reduced, methane emissions from the decomposing will increase. Which will smell like Democrats, and influence Planetary Discomfiture.
    BTW, OT I saw a shooting star last night, who gets taxed for that atmospheric warming?

  • 35 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    FWIW, RAM1, I've found faxes are far more effective than emails and phone calls, though postal letters (especially Priority Mail) are better yet. Always request a reply if you fax or write your Members of Congress; though the reply may have nothing to do with your request, it gives you an opening to follow up with "In regards to your letter of the __th …" ;-)

  • 36 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    FWIW, RAM1, I've found faxes are far more effective than emails and phone calls, though postal letters (especially Priority Mail) are better yet. Always request a reply if you fax or write your Members of Congress; though the reply may have nothing to do with your request, it gives you an opening to follow up with "In regards to your letter of the _th …" ;-)

  • 37 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Was that star registered?

  • 38 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    Was it singing "Have Gun Will Travel"?

    Two things that are on my "bucket list" (ref. to Jack Nicholson movie, where the characters make a list of things to do before they kick the bucket) are to see the Aurora Borealis and to see a shooting star. I thought that the latter made their appearance in late summer, mostly August.

  • 39 ChileSerrano // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    gafisher : "If greenhouse gasses are bad, why do most lifeforms do best in greenhouses?"

    Ambient levels of CO2 are approximately 350 ppm. Often, commercial greenhouses enrich their atmospheres with additional CO2 to sustain and increase plant growth.

    A quote from Environmental ecology by Bill Freedman :

    Experimental studies in the laboratory and to a lesser extent in the field have shown a marked CO2-fertilization effect on the productivity of many agricultural crop species … In fact, it is a frequent operational practice to enrich the atmosphere of commercial greenhouses with CO2 to concentrations of 600-2000 ppm to increase the productivity of such C3-crops as cucumbers (Cucumis sativus), tomatoes (Lycopersicum asculentum, and some ornamentals …

  • 40 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    boberin, did you read the link?

    The idea of "spread the wealth" a la socialism has a poor track record historically. It's been done in many societies, and what it does is spread a poorer standard of living.

  • 41 ChileSerrano // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    gafisher : "If greenhouse gasses are bad, why do most lifeforms do best in greenhouses?"

    Ambient levels of CO2 are approximately 350 ppm. Often, commercial greenhouses enrich their atmospheres with additional CO2 to sustain and increase plant growth.

    A quote from Environmental ecology by Bill Freedman :

    Experimental studies in the laboratory and to a lesser extent in the field have shown a marked CO2-fertilization effect on the productivity of many agricultural crop species … In fact, it is a frequent operational practice to enrich the atmosphere of commercial greenhouses with CO2 to concentrations of 600-2000 ppm to increase the productivity of such C3-crops as cucumbers (Cucumis sativus), tomatoes (Lycopersicum esculentum, and some ornamentals …

  • 42 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    from the Washington Examiner:

    In her speech in Copenhagen today, First Lady Michelle Obama said her trip to Denmark, along with the travel of her “dear friend” and “chit-chat buddy” Oprah Winfrey, as well as tomorrow’s visit by President Obama, is a “sacrifice” on behalf of the children of Chicago and the United States. “As much of a sacrifice as people say this is for me or Oprah or the president to come for these few days,” the first lady told a crowd of people involved in the Chicago project, “so many of you in this room have been working for years to bring this bid home.”

    Knock yourself out, Michelle Antoinette. There are plenty in the armed services who know what sacrifice is, as well as those who have lost their jobs. I don't know who is more despicable, you or your rock-star husband with your sense of entitlement and disdain for tax-paying citizens.

  • 43 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    As far as I'm concerned, all SPAM should be given the thumbs down; it's the least I can do, since this isn't my web site.

  • 44 CallMeShelly // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Sad day. I finally had almost enough to buy my new computer. My pretend daughter was going to loan me the few dollars I needed to buy the machine-but you can not buy a new HP in NE Ohio at this time. With Windows 7 coming out Oct 21 they are not releasing any new computers until that time. That is three stinkin' weeks. What, is there a cap and trade on Windows 7?

    Guess I will baby my old Sony until then by gently massaging it every day and feeding it expensive French bottled water (the Sony is liquid cooled).

    Meanwhile back at the White House, it was announced by the Forestry Department that the name of Jesus will not be allowed near the tree. I think they need a Christmas Walk for Jesus.
    And yes, I know the Christmas tree is not Jesus, but if everyone boycotted Walmart for not saying Merry Christmas, then can we boycott Obama. Will he say Merry Christmas?

  • 45 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Funny, JL3, but I beg to differ. Oxygen is deadly to virtually all plants, while CO2 is essential to trees and other green things. Plants vastly outnumber air-breathing animals on this planet; the water vapor and CO2 exhaled by each of us may well support thousands of botanical dependents, while by removing the oxygen those plants excrete we rescue them from wallowing in their own metabolic wastes.

    If greenhouse gasses are bad, why do most lifeforms do best in greenhouses?

    Be Greener! Breathe harder!

  • 46 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    OLA, I do a bit of star gazing (it relaxes me) and usually see at least one or two "shooting stars" a week here in Western Michigan's clear skies. The Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) can be seen here at least a few times every winter, though seldom as magnificently as a few years ago when more than half our sky was lighted.

  • 47 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    OLA, I do a bit of star gazing (it relaxes me) and usually see at least one or two "shooting stars" a week here in Western Michigan's clear skies. The Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) can be seen here at least a few times every winter, though seldom as magnificently as a few years ago when more than half our sky was lighted.

    Seeing the Aurora Borealis will probably require a visit to or past the northern tier of states, but you ought to be able to "catch a falling star" in a few nights of observation. (If you don't see one of those, you should at least see a satellite or two — watch for something moving fairly fast, often on a polar (along north-south lines) orbit, best an hour or two after dark or before sunrise — and you're almost certain to find a planet or two.

    Here's a great site that's both helpful and fun.

  • 48 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    OLA, I do a bit of star gazing (it relaxes me) and usually see at least one or two "shooting stars" a week here in Western Michigan's clear skies. The Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) can be seen here at least a few times every winter, though seldom as magnificently as a few years ago when more than half our sky was lighted.

    Seeing the Aurora Borealis will probably require a visit to or past the northern tier of states, but you ought to be able to "catch a falling star" in a few nights of observation. If you don't see one of those, you should at least see a satellite or two — watch for something moving fairly fast, often on a polar (along north-south lines) orbit, best an hour or two after dark or before sunrise — and you're almost certain to find a planet or two.

    Here's a great site that's both helpful and fun.

  • 49 gafisher // Oct 1, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    'twas a rhetorical question, Red, but thanks for fleshing out the answer.

  • 50 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Even the one's where I agree with you or remark that your comment is witty.

    Keep up the Lord's work man! There are so few of you left, you must be near overwhelmed.
    My deepest sympathy!

  • 51 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    OLA: Someone needs to show the Olympic Committee the footage of the street thugs killing the honor student with wooden beams, that should
    assure Chicago does NOT get it, but then with "The Silver Tongued Devil and Oprah there, who knows!

    I can see the T-shirts now, "I came to the Chicago Olympics and all I got was this deadly head wound"!

    Beck has it right, that it is about "Barry's" payback to the Chicago thugs including the criminal Mayor and "Valorie", who owns the property they will likely build the Olympic village on,—well after they evict "Slumlord Val's" tenants and raise the place.

    I wonder what the tenents, who are mostly if not all black, think of "Barry" and Val?

    Hard to believe but, I bet they still love him! I'm sure that, like MOST minority's living off the taxpayer dole, they believe it is society's fault the place is run down and NOT the ACTUAL SLUMLORD OWNER!

  • 52 MajorDomo // Oct 1, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    Someone thought this was a good idea:
    “…bogus company with zero output and then pay themselves for the credits from the ficticious enterprise?” Too late, bud; Al Gore done beat you to it!

  • 53 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Good point, although I have tried the faxes also and get the same "generic" responces telling me things I ALREADY know, (like we are so dense we cannot possibly be informed), or worse yet, being bold faced lied to!

  • 54 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 1, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    I'm sure you think that spamming this site is just hilarious.

    Spam is spam, regardless of what the spam says or doesn't say.

    You are not the victim of me or us, WE ARE VICTIMS of you and your judgmental snark-derision, ridicule and hatred.

    I consider your hatred of Christians the most disgusting of all your many disgusting traits.

  • 55 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    The faxes won't go through when you get a busy signal, but for other issues, I see your point. I am more concerned with ObamaCare, and cap and trade with my trying to contact them right now.

  • 56 RAM1 // Oct 1, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Perfect point JL3! I will make it a point to now give Spamboy a thumbs down on ALL It's spam.

    BTW, I did NOT do this before, but since it means so much to the little fella, I will now!

  • 57 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I love the way your eyes sparkle when you're angry. Them seem to sparkle a lot these days.

    As for my alleged hatred of Christians I fail to see how that would bother you (if it were true, it's not) since you sir are among the least Christian people I've ever met

  • 58 boberinyetagain // Oct 1, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    blah blah blah, smiley face
    yada yada yada, winking smiley
    bore bore bore, you tube link

    Do tell!

  • 59 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Attention, boberin: America under the twinkie Obamao is fast losing world respect: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWQyODRhYzVh...

  • 60 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    While our Chief Emission is dallying around Copenhagen in payback to one of his puppetmasters, Daley, HotAir's coldwarrior sums up the dithering on Iran and Afghanistan.
    A “new” beginning?

    How many “new” beginnings must we endure?

    It has been 30 years since the mullahtocracy was installed in Tehran, and over the three decades Iran has done nothing positive at all in any sector to demonstrate that their intentions are benign. They retreat when they actually view and understand a real threat, and they advance in the face of real or perceived weakness. [Something in the Koran that spells it all out...sura anyone?]

    As Iran makes new friends, or solidifies older friendships…Venezuela, Syria, China, Russia, et al., it should be apparent to any rational observer that they are buying time and Obama is willing to sell it to them.

    Obama cannot make a decision. Above his pay grade.

  • 61 onlineanalyst // Oct 1, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    (cont'd,(
    Our present dithering in Afghanistan is seen by the mullahs as yet another great hope; we lose it in Afghanistan and Iran is free to act as they see fit. Obama heading off to do yet another campaign stop on Copenhagen surely puts the feasr of God in the mullahs, ya think?

    Bet they are trembling in their sandals waiting for another stern letter from Obama once they tell us to drop dead in the upcoming “negotiations.”

    So, let’s have yet another “new” beginning with Iran…why not…new beginnings and hope and change are all that Obama is made of…nothing of substance, of course, and Iran can understand this readily. Carter 2.0 must really be a hit in Tehran.

    John Bolton says that we have seen this movie before: Groundhog Day

  • 62 camojack // Oct 2, 2009 at 4:31 am

    You've never seen a "shooting star"? You need to get out more.

    Anyway, the two meteor showers with which I'm most familiar are the Perseid and Leonid; the former occurred in August, so you missed it, but the latter will peak in mid-November. It can be pretty cool out for that one, so be sure to bundle up. You can read up on the subject some more HERE

  • 63 camojack // Oct 2, 2009 at 4:33 am

    Two things that are on my "bucket list"…are to see the Aurora Borealis and to see a shooting star.

    You've never seen a "shooting star"? You need to get out more.

    Anyway, the two meteor showers with which I'm most familiar are the Perseid and Leonid; the former occurred in August, so you missed it, but the latter will peak in mid-November. It can be pretty cool out for that one, so be sure to bundle up. You can read up on the subject some more HERE

  • 64 gafisher // Oct 2, 2009 at 11:57 am

    "How long before polluters figure out that they can start a bogus company with zero output and then pay themselves for the credits from the fictitious enterprise?"

    This is already being done.

  • 65 boberinyetagain // Oct 2, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Late to the party again? Rats!

  • 66 gafisher // Oct 2, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    "… I bet they still love him!"

    You'd win that bet. Many in this country believe "freedom" is a price tag.

  • 67 gafisher // Oct 2, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    After forty years of denigrating their (our) country, the Left thought world opinion could be turned around overnight. It may take generations to undo the damage done by enemies within since the early 1960s.

  • 68 gafisher // Oct 2, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    "… Venezuela, Syria, China, Russia, et al. …"

    Most of those "friendships" are built on the "enemy of my enemy" principle — can you imagine China (Uighur) or Russia (Chechnya) actually supporting a radical Islamic regime? Iran's government isn't making friends, it's simply being used like a slightly dim schoolkid trying to impress the real bullies.

  • 69 gafisher // Oct 2, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    "… Venezuela, Syria, China, Russia, et al. …"

    Most of those "friendships" are built on the "enemy of my enemy" principle — can you imagine China (Uighur) or Russia (Chechnya) actually supporting a radical Islamic regime? Iran's government isn't making friends, it's simply being used like a slightly dim schoolkid trying to impress the real playground bullies.

  • 70 gafisher // Oct 2, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Michelle's comment was thoughtless at best, but given the results she and the Bamster got for all their efforts my favorite sacrifice story comes to mind.

    "And as midday passed, they raved on until the time of the offering of the oblation, but there was no voice. No one answered; no one paid attention."
    1 Kings 18:29 [ESV]

  • 71 onlineanalyst // Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Believe it or not, the Dems are pushing to expand the program that led to the financial meltdown last fall. Are they trying to totally collapse our economy, put it into a crisis mode a la Cloward-Piven Strategy?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024...
    (Clinton's role in repeated bailouts during the failures caused by the expansion of the CRA during his tenure is the first that I have read about this issue. The comment-debate following the squib is thought-provoking, too.)

    To add to the mix, according to a Drudge news item, the Arab Gulf States, China, and France are involved in secret talks to delink oil prices from the dollar.

  • 72 onlineanalyst // Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Believe it or not, the Dems are pushing to expand the program that led to the financial meltdown last fall. Are they trying to totally collapse our economy, put it into a crisis mode a la Cloward-Piven Strategy?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024...
    (Clinton's role in repeated bailouts during the failures caused by the expansion of the CRA during his tenure is the first that I have read about this issue. The comment-debate following the squib is thought-provoking, too.)

    To add to the mix, according to a Drudge news item, the Arab Gulf States, China, and France are involved in secret talks to delink oil prices from the dollar.

  • 73 onlineanalyst // Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Believe it or not, the Dems are pushing to expand the program that led to the financial meltdown last fall. Are they trying to totally collapse our economy, put it into a crisis mode a la Cloward-Piven Strategy?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024...
    (Clinton's role in repeated bailouts during the failures caused by the expansion of the CRA during his tenure is the first that I have read about this issue. The comment-debate following the squib is thought-provoking, too.)

    To add to the mix, according to a Drudge news item, the Arab Gulf States, China, and France are involved in secret talks to delink oil prices from the dollar.

  • 74 onlineanalyst // Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Believe it or not, the Dems are pushing to expand the program that led to the financial meltdown last fall. Are they trying to totally collapse our economy, put it into a crisis mode a la Cloward-Piven Strategy?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024...
    (Clinton's role in repeated bailouts during the failures caused by the expansion of the CRA during his tenure is the first that I have read about this issue. The comment-debate following the squib is thought-provoking, too.)

    To add to the mix, according to a Drudge news item, the Arab Gulf States, China, and France are involved in secret talks to delink oil prices from the dollar.

  • 75 onlineanalyst // Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Believe it or not, the Dems are pushing to expand the program that led to the financial meltdown last fall. Are they trying to totally collapse our economy, put it into a crisis mode a la Cloward-Piven Strategy?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024...
    (Clinton's role in repeated bailouts during the failures caused by the expansion of the CRA during his tenure is the first that I have read about this issue. The comment-debate following the squib is thought-provoking, too.)

    To add to the mix, according to a Drudge news item, the Arab Gulf States, China, and France are involved in secret talks to delink oil prices from the dollar.

  • 76 onlineanalyst // Oct 6, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Believe it or not, the Dems are pushing to expand the program that led to the financial meltdown last fall. Are they trying to totally collapse our economy, put it into a crisis mode a la Cloward-Piven Strategy?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024...
    (Clinton's role in repeated bailouts during the failures caused by the expansion of the CRA during his tenure is the first that I have read about this issue. The comment-debate following the squib is thought-provoking, too.)

    To add to the mix, according to a Drudge news item, the Arab Gulf States, China, and France are involved in secret talks to delink oil prices from the dollar.

  • 77 Novi75 // Oct 8, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    At least someone is shouting about stopping the unrestrained government spending. I think the spending by our lawmakers is much more acute of a problem than the climate change presently.

    Oklahoma Fence Builder

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