With multimillion-dollar jury awards in medical malpractice suits driving up the cost of liability insurance for physicians — and thus the cost of health care to consumers — President Barack Obama today backed a health care malpractice reform plan that would create a “public option” law firm to sue doctors for “reasonable” damages.
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1 onlineanalyst // Aug 18, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Even more fitting would be the requirement that U.S. Congress members carry liability insurance with exhorbitant, career-damaging rates to cover the harm that their poisonous legislation does to the American people. In a twist of the old adage, the lawmakers' bills were a success, but the nation died.
2 RedPepper // Aug 18, 2009 at 11:20 am
I want them to set up a “public option” Chinese take-out restaurant.
The local Amazing Wok doesn’t give you enough shrimp in their Shrimp with Garlic Sauce. Last night I got so upset I almost called 911 …
3 dave // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 pm
if you spent $30 MILLION a day every single day for 2000 years it would still not equal to obama's $23.7 TRILLLION in financial bailouts
… the main reasons why people get poorer are because of higher taxes and inflation.
4 RedPepper // Aug 18, 2009 at 1:09 pm
ola #1: How could they ever expect to obtain such insurance?
After all, the insurance companies would be completely justified in pointing out that, if you are a politician, being a lying weasel is a “pre-existing condition.”
5 RedPepper // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Scott, comments are disappearing … it's deja vu all over again …
6 gafisher // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:47 pm
When I pass near the Coast Guard Station not far from here I see a sign by the gate which says "No Public Parking." Near the courthouse back door there's another sign: "Official use only — Public Entrance in front." At the Post Office there's a bin with a sign which says "Not for Public Use." That seems to define a pretty reasonable Public Option: Doctors, Hospitals and members of the Public work out their health care issues, with the Government involved only when someone fails to live up to their promise.
7 Fred Sinclair // Aug 18, 2009 at 6:31 pm
From The Patriot Post:
She's a pro
The woman applying for a job in a Florida lemon grove seemed to be far too qualified for the job.
The foreman frowned and said, "I have to ask you this: Have you had any actual experience in picking lemons?"
"Well, as a matter of fact, I have!" she replied. "I've been divorced three times and I voted for Obama."
8 RAM1 // Aug 18, 2009 at 6:49 pm
With the government in charge of healthcare, just TRY suing them if there is, (and will be), devestating (sp) and/or injurous/DEADLY mistakes made.
Be sure and be on the lookout for Obama's NEXT "Public Option" program to be rolled out next year. It will be for the people on Obama's enemies list.
They will have the "option" during their "public execution" of choosing between, hanging, firing squad, or being drawn and quartered!
And for those pesky Conservative Christians, he is thinking about bringing back that popular Roman custom of being thrown to the lions!
Make your choices early you filthy, unAmerican dissenters of King O. Just remember, he IS letting you "choose".
9 onlineanalyst // Aug 18, 2009 at 6:53 pm
rock the casbah opines: "This is an important discussion because “reform” for liberals is expanding Medicare to everyone whereas “reform” for conservatives is expanding private insurance to everyone.
Given that Medicare is bankrupt, that’s a debate i’d like to see."
To which I would add that the single-payer or "public option" offers no choices re the amount of coverage an individual has. One takes the Soviet choice: the one on offer today after standing in line for days/months. There is no recourse when the goverment runs off the competition and denies or rations care according to some disembodied bureaucrats' chart.
10 boberinyetagain // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Lawyers and insurance companies…a perfect symbiotic/parasitic relationship that feeds off of every one of us.
"Healthcare" costs so much because, of insurance premiums paid by doctors. Add to the the fact the 75% of the test prescribed are not needed for the same reason. They are ordered because the doctor is afraid of being sued and having his insurance premiums go up.
Anyone who sees the current system as anything but madness should probably rethink their position.
Something MUST change…the status quo is making insurance companies rich (again, right out of your pocket and mine) and playing both sides of the fence to get there. They charge us for "healthcare" and they charge the doctor (who in turn charges you again) in case he makes a mistake/omission and in turn the doctor orders many, many tests that are not indicated/needed to cover his butt.
Total madness
11 boberinyetagain // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:09 pm
But I'm certain that a vigorous defense of lawyers and insurance companies will commence here any moment…along with boberin trashing…as usual
12 Darthmeister // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Government will first cripple you and then sell you a crutch.
Oh, and government bureaucrats are just as power hungry and driven by budgets and money as the most stark raving mad filthy rich capitalist … but in liberaldom its more chic and politically correct to be a bureaucrat enlarging the nanny state.
All hail the State!
13 boberinyetagain // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:55 pm
So American soldiers are given substandard care, is that what you're saying?
14 Darthmeister // Aug 18, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Hey, whatever happened to the "principled" anti-war movement? [sounds of crickets chirping].
Liberals' Own Actions Prove War Without Bush Isn't War At All!.
Oh yeah, there's the obligatory swipe at war but rarely the outright condemnation of Obamarx for adopting Bush's war policies whole cloth with little more than nice sounding rhetorical flourishes to appease the rubes.
15 Fred Sinclair // Aug 18, 2009 at 8:22 pm
bya - sorry if you feel there will be "boberin trashing as usual" but face the facts. You seem to make it your religious duty to literally beg for it! Regarding doctors: "Doctors have a rare profession, in that they not only have little or no idea of what they are doing - but they brag about it!
They hang out a shingle proclaiming "Practicing Physician". Do you really want to leave your car with a "Practicing auto-mechanic"? Of course they try to beg off by claiming that medicine is an "inexact science". That's nothing but bullfeathers (thank you Teddy Roosevelt) there is nothing about science that is inexact. A scientist discovers or uncovers a fact in his laboratory. That fact can be duplicated over and over again in the laboratory always with the same result.
This is what makes algore's hoax so funny. It's impossible for 28,000 "scientists" to reach a factual consensus on or about anything. Thy can, however reach a consensus of a Political Agenda. There are currently over 33,000 scientists who have reached a consensus that the entire 'Global Warming' and 'Global Climate Change' hoax is based on faulty computer input (GIGO) and that climate change is due to fluctuations in the sun's output.
btw - for what it's worth I'll gratuitously pass on a bit of investment advice from a noted stockbroker.
I called my stockbroker this morning and asked him what I should be buying? He said, "Canned goods and ammunition."
16 DrivebyMeteor // Aug 18, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free.”
~ P. J. O’Rourke
17 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 18, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Then, by statute, they would have to sue themselves, thus opening a super-double-extra-massive black hole into which (being so near the epicenter) they're first to go, leaving faceless victims behind; clinging by their fingertips.
The above doesn't vary much from the basic
SDSDemocrat template.18 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 18, 2009 at 9:59 pm
This black hole, btw, may, or may not, be demonstrated by visual aids such as this actual Graph from Rasmussen.
19 Maggie // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Sure couldn't tell where that was going…..LOL
Maggie
20 onlineanalyst // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:16 pm
boberin: From what I have learned about health care insurance, the insurance companies take in the premiums from their clients, pay out according to the policy selected, and invest the difference in order to earn their profitability. IOW they are vested in free market capitalism to be viable companies.
I don't think that an insurance company becomes"rich" by denying claims, for their customers would simply contract with a different insurer.
Some states have insisted in ridiculous "mandates" in their insurance policies such as coverage for Botox or Viagra that the premiums become outrageous. Insurance consumers should be able to shop around and avoid policies that they deem irrelevant to their needs. When a policy is one-size-fits-all, the price of a policy rises for all.
We are paying via our doctor or hospital charges for those who have no insurance or who rely only on Medicare or Medicaid, both of which are underfunded and reimburse physicians and hospitals well below what the service is worth.
21 onlineanalyst // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Those desiring health insurance have to determine the amount or type of coverage that they want. Do they want coverage for catastrophic situations, or do they want complete coverage for all health services; ie., office visits, innoculations, prescriptions, and so forth? Are they willing to pay less in premiums by having a high deductible or a co-pay?
22 Fred Sinclair // Aug 18, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Dumber than a box of rocks!
San Francisco Examiner May 21, 2009
A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF REPRESENTATION WE HAVE IN CONGRESS,
TRUE STORY:
A noted psychiatrist was a guest speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear. Ms Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease.
'Would you mind telling me, Doctor,' she asked, 'how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?'
'Nothing is easier,' he replied. 'You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.'
'What sort of question?' asked Pelosi.
Well, you might ask, 'Captain Cook made three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?''
Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, 'You wouldn't happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don't know much about history.
23 WhizBang // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:54 am
Rocks aren't dumb ! They have been around before any of us appeared on the planet and they will still be around long long after we are gone ! Seems to me it is the other way around ….
24 WhizBang // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:56 am
Yeah, please don't insult the poor rocks !
25 SGT_USMC_1ea // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:09 am
ummm whatever
26 camojack // Aug 19, 2009 at 5:29 am
Why not just use public defenders, then?
27 SGT_USMC_1ea // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:10 am
Schkotty,
This analogy is so clever as to have have left me without words to describe it. I know it is a simple device to transfer the description of an action from one field of education to another, but you make it seem so seamless that the two are one. The assertion that it is so ludicrous that ambulance chasers would stop due to patriotism without some overbearing government intrusion effecting their income. We all know how a public option healthcare would eventually impact our service quality, availability, and, of course, our pocketbooks. Insurerers may be expensive but there is of course a cause for that. 40-50% of that (random-made up statistic) is unmerited lawsuits. Actual damages and expenses +10% is the most controversial and realistic Idea I have heard in quite a while. Make it so Number One!
Deus est Semper Fidelis
28 gafisher // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:18 pm
""Healthcare" costs so much because, of insurance premiums paid by doctors. Add to the the fact the 75% of the test prescribed are not needed for the same reason. They are ordered because the doctor is afraid of being sued …"
Bober, that hits the nail right on the head. When my wife entered medicine, the average family practice delivered babies, set bones, treated allergies, cared for children, performed minor surgeries, and provided a host of other services. Why, if asked, most people would have said the family Doctor primarily delivered babies. In the space of far less than a lifetime, every one of those services has become a specialty, with the family Doctor reduced to little more than triage and dispatcher duties, and Heaven help the Doctor who performs a service, no matter how competently, outside his or her specialty!
What results from all this, then, is that the so-called "health care system" in general must now support easily ten times as many (per unit population) Doctors and related medical personnel — most at higher salaries than the family physician, and much of that because there actually aren't enough patients to go around (that's why many specialists have to advertise) — as used to be sufficient for our needs. Virtually all of this increase is directly attributable to outrageous lawsuits, threatened or actual.
Insurance companies really don't deserve all or even much of the blame; when a Doctor can be sued for millions upon millions of dollars by a noncompliant patient who refused to follow a prescription — and this happens all the time — insurance companies have two choices: leave the business (probably the smart choice in today's litigious society) or charge enough to cover both those outlandish jury awards and the equally outlandish legal costs incurred in such cases. Attacking insurance companies for "excessive profits" ignores the fact that every dime can be lost literally overnight at the hands of a particularly dramatic lawyer or a jury with an axe to grind (to say nothing of a legitimate disaster like, say, Thalidomide).
If there's a "villain" in this story, it's not the Doctors, and it's really not insurance companies either. For the most part it's the legal system, particularly laws which permit exorbitant awards and let unscrupulous lawyers profit by jinning up sympathetic juries and self-indulgent plaintiffs. Watch any TV ad which begins with the words "Have you been the victim of …" and you'll be very close to the source of the problem.
29 gafisher // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Actually, Bober, I wrote a response which commended you on your perception and expanded a little on your argument. Unfortunately, IntenseDebate put the brakes on it and for all I know simply dumped it, so I guess I'll leave it at that for now.
30 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Congratulations…I guess. The smear campaign of lies is working swimmingly well. Why opponents of any plan, for anything see the need to lie about it is beyond me…what's to be "gained" from lies?
From a poll released today…
Misconceptions about the plan were widespread, however, with 55 percent saying it would give health coverage to illegal immigrants and 45 percent saying it would let the government decide when to stop care for the elderly. Both are untrue.
31 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Loud, very vocal opposition shown over and over from news sources of all stripes…to things that aren't true/won't happen.
Makes a lot of sense in the bizzaro world…
Any hope of discussing something reality based for a change? Anyone?
32 gafisher // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Ignoring for the moment the effect of health care rationing on the elderly and others with higher than average needs, this CBO release makes it debatable just who is misconceiving (might we say misrepresenting?) what.
33 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I believe you! Been there, done that…thanks!
34 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:11 pm
And thus no one has any idea what is fact, what is fiction…my source was Rueters…today…those were not my words.
The current system is broken. Sure, I'm covered, by a decent plan…only decent especially when the cost to myself and my employer is factored in…it's not insurance so much as pre-paid care…and it's temporary…if/when my employer does not need me I'm then free to find about $1200/month to carry my own version of my current plan…for a few months…
35 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Here's what a BHO disciple and Democrat party spokesman/guru has to say about the so-called "Public" option.
36 Darthmeister // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Okay, I'll take the bait. First, let's get one thing straight, the children of illegal aliens already get free education and free medical help and even adult illegals also get free emergency room service. Some illegals have found ways to receive other American entitlements like unemployment and welfare. So all of a sudden, illegals aren't going to access the national healthcare system? I've already posted the relevant page numbers on HB 3200 where loopholes exist that will allow Democrats to allow illegals access to a national healthcare system at taxpayer's expense.
Fact: There is presently no provision in HB 3200 for citizenship verification. If there is, document it, sir. Without verification, there is clearly opportunity for illegals to access the system with impunity.
37 Darthmeister // Aug 19, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Democrats who support this bill have been duplicitous. On the one hand, they assure rubes like you that illegal aliens are not going to be eligible, but at the same time Democrats, through the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and other Hispanic special interests, assure illegal aliens that coverage will be there because there is "no system to prevent them" from accessing healthcare coverage.
Also, in July, Democrats voted down an amendment to the House bill that would have required mechanisms to verify citizenship. Typical, two-faced Donks, and we know which face boberinyetagain wants to believe in.
38 Darthmeister // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Even The Centrist recognizes the Democrat skullduggery in unilaterally crafting the language of HB3200 that would create the loopholes by which illegal aliens would be able to access a national healthcare system after being in America five years. Until Democrats attach an amendment explicitly forbidding healthcare access by illegals (but not emergency medical attention that they must eventually pay for out of pocket) the potential already exists for illegals to eventually get free healthcare under HB 3200. But as noted before, Democrats have already voted down such an amendment that forbids such access. Imagine that!
39 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:41 pm
The "illegals" work for us…you/me/everyone. Do you believe that nothing you need/touch/get the benefit from is affected by/costs kept down by…"illegals"?
""Give me your tired, your poor,. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"
But leave the sick ones home please
Everyone here now came from somewhere else…except those that we relegate to "reservations" because that's just the kinda guys we are. Benevolent to a fault…we'd make a good insurance company
40 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 2:42 pm
So is that the crux of your dissatisfaction? That "illegals" might get healthcare? Sheesh
41 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 11:29 am
boberin: The lawyers have a saying:
“If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law and the facts are against you, just keep arguing.”
There you go again …
42 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 11:42 am
Speaking for myself, the crux of my dissatisfaction is simple: I do not trust the government to run the healthcare system, or any aspect of it.
To give you one small example: New York State spends more than twice the national average for Medicaid. Here’s a link for those who are interested.
I repeat: just one small example.
43 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Red, I’m just saying that the current system is broken and unworkable/unsustainable. I welcome any attempt to bring sanity to an insane system (as opposed to voicing unfounded/unwarranted/unrelated “concerns” that someone else drummed into my head)
44 Beerme // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Wouldn't it be sensible to stop, think and debate the issues carefully before taking rash and possibly harmful action? About 85-90% of Americans have Health Insurance and a great majority of those are satisfied with it. Sure we all want it to be cheaper and we all want everyone to have the ability to afford it. Why is it that only one side wants it done now and only their way, at the expense of that great majority of satisfied customers? Seems like a no-brainer to me…First, do no harm!
45 Beerme // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Oh, and Bober…when the choice comes down as to whether to trash Lawyers and Congresscritters or to trash Boberinyetagain…sorry, you come out unscathed in that contest!
46 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm
boberin: You are correct, the system is broken.
Oh wait … you were talking about the health-care system.
Poll: New York State Government Broken.
Apologies for the link to “Huff-n-Puff”. Ick!
I’m gonna go take a shower now …
47 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Beerme: Hello there!
BTW, where were you in ‘92 ? Remember that election - H. Ross Perot & the crazy grandmother in the attic ? All that has changed in the intervening 17 years is that we’ve added about a dozen additional gummint programs that will drive the U.S. into bankruptcty (not all together - each & every one!) ; we certainly never fixed the problems with Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid that Perot was so upset about …
48 boberinyetagain // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Red, did you read that article you linked to by any chance? It says, among other things that…
“But every effort to rein in Medicaid spending in New York is met with titanic resistance. The flood of taxpayers’ money that Medicaid has poured into the hands of providers has spawned a militant, aggressive health-care lobby that threatens and targets individual legislators, and that spends millions on advertising apparently designed to convince the public that any Medicaid cuts would result in patients dying in the hallways of hospitals.
In effect this lobby is using our own money to try to scare us into thinking that New York cannot spend less on Medicaid. But the fact is that our competitor states spend far less, without jeopardizing the quality of care—and New York can, too.”
Vested interests are mucking up that system as well as the current debate the nation is having now. Ask New York employers how they feel about the premiums they pay for private insurance on thier employees. I bet they aren’t too happy either…
49 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 12:48 pm
boberin: Yes, I read the article. What you are citing is a perfect illustration of why government programs never get reformed, or ended - they create their own constituencies. BTW, the article is over 10 years old - not that anything has improved in that time ! I assume you want to suggest that everything would already have been fixed & would be perfectly fine were it not for those “vested interests.”
I also assume that you believe in leprechauns …
50 onlineanalyst // Aug 19, 2009 at 7:55 pm
The House bill also has provisions for the feds to access a person's bank account and IRS filings. This appears to be more and more a fascistic power grab over a large sector of our economy.
I also understand (It will take me a while to locate the source) that the stimulus bill put into place a "board" that would make decisions about which medical needs would take precedence. As Mark Steyn said in a rough paraphrase, It's not that the goverrment would pull the plug on granny; it's that the government would decide to plug in granny in the first place.
Re immigrants who earlier entered our nation, they were rigorously screened for health problems and sent back to their native countries if they did not pass those tests. They also had to be sponsored by a citizen in our country who would assure that they would become gainfully employed and not be a burden on the social structures.
51 onlineanalyst // Aug 19, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Totally OT, but this news frosts my chaps: Obama has cut a deal via General Jones to give two billion dollars for offshore drilling…to Brazil. Now, we have plenty of oil in our own country to be energy independent, yet we have to borrow money from China in order to bankroll another's nation's energy needs? And, furthermore, Soros has become more and more heavily invested in the Brazilian Petrobas.
Soros money was behind a lot of Obama's campaign victory through various fronts. Is this payback for a favor? Soros also seems to be determined to destroy the dollar? Does Obama recognize this factor?
Lula blamed the troubles in the Southern Hemisphere on "white, blue-eyed people." He is a crony of Chavez.
Is our president looking out for the interests of the U.S.? It appears not.
52 onlineanalyst // Aug 19, 2009 at 8:06 pm
I forgot the link: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/18/good-news-o...
53 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Buffett: We’re Going to Be Crushed Under Mountain of Debt
Now he tells us …
This sounds like the perfect time to create a huge new public entitlement program !
54 RedPepper // Aug 19, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Also:
Buffett’s NY Times Op-Ed
55 Obama Plan Creates ‘Public Option’ Malpractice Law Firm - Health Articles A to Z // Aug 19, 2009 at 5:12 pm
[...] Go here to review a rest: Obama Plan Creates ‘Public Option’ Malpractice Law Firm [...]
56 onlineanalyst // Aug 19, 2009 at 11:05 pm
The citation re the rationing provision being part of the fiscal stimulus package comes in the third paragraph of a WSJ commentary about Obamacare being all about rationing health care.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204...
Once he lost the Cabinet bid, Tom Daschle had a lot to do with the crafting of the Dem-designed health care bill(s).
57 baragirl // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:30 am
"They (The Insurance Companies)charge us for "healthcare" and they charge the doctor (who in turn charges you again) in case he makes a mistake/omission and in turn the doctor orders many, many tests that are not indicated/needed to cover his butt. "
Please explain this to me ,please.Are you saying the same insurance Companies we pay for Health Insurance are the same ones the doctors pay to protect them from malpractice suits?And when and how does the Doctor charge you again?Are you speaking of a co-pay? My Health Insurance Company charges me for Health Insurance. then they pay my Doctor and Hospital whatever the agreed upon amount in our contrac t says.
You've been listening to 0bama ,you are speaking "Doublespeak"
58 baragirl // Aug 20, 2009 at 2:36 am
You could also invest in a Funeral Home or two and a Crematorium. maybe some equipment to raze all the Nursing Homes ,that will no longer be needed.
59 Darthmeister // Aug 20, 2009 at 4:01 am
You know, when you think about it Obama's health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it,
signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is nearly broke. Yep, sounds like a real weiner to me.
And to add insult to fiscal injury the Obamabots applaud and call us Nazis and racists for opposing this obamanation! Sheesh. Stupid is as stupid does!
60 Fred Sinclair // Aug 20, 2009 at 5:21 am
There's an old sea story in the Navy about a ship's Captain who inspected His sailors, and afterward told the Chief Boson that his men smelled bad.
The Captain suggested perhaps it would help if the sailors would change underwear occasionally.
The Chief responded, "Aye, aye sir, I'll see to it immediately!
The Chief went straight to the sailors berth deck and announced, "The Captain thinks you guys smell bad and wants you to change your underwear. Pittman, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Kwiatkowski, and Brown you change with Schultz. Now get to it!!"
THE MORAL: Someone may be promising "Change," but don't count on things smelling any better!
61 Possumtrot // Aug 20, 2009 at 3:15 am
Will Obama name father-of-the-year John Edwards to head this new law firm? He, after all, knows more about “ridiculous damage awards for pain and suffering, which makes malpractice insurance rates skyrocket and jack[ing] the price of health care for everyone” than anyone else.
62 RAM1 // Aug 20, 2009 at 10:18 am
Obama saying his opponents are using lies and misinformation is funnier than anything the latenight comics say.
The 3rd video is for those that hated George Bush yet LOVE Obama. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmUF7sWop_Y&pl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a45qLxWzgVI&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNttU41Qzik&pl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpi-_kyr9Bw&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Rk8H8gl6s&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyNdufg8Hyo&fe...
"ALL liars shall have their place in the lake of fire!"
Getting a little hot there libs?
63 boberinyetagain // Aug 20, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I wish you were kidding, I really do…but I fear that you are not.
Short form…Dr. pays for malpractice insurance. He doesn't reach into his pocket or take out a loan to pay this…if it cost him/her $12 per patient per visit (just an example, your results may vary) then that patient (you/me) pays an "extra" $12 for each visit.
Get it?
64 onlineanalyst // Aug 20, 2009 at 12:42 pm
With Obamacare, along with losing your medical privacy, there goes your financial privacy: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODg4Y2FkYmFl...
65 gafisher // Aug 20, 2009 at 1:03 pm
"Any hope of discussing something reality based …?"
Sure, if you want to. Will Posh be as wild and crazy as Paula on American Idol?
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66 gafisher // Aug 20, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I must respectfully disagree, Darth.
The United States is not "nearly broke" as you say. We haven't been "nearly broke" in decades, and with Obama's doubling — in six months — the deficit of the entire previous two hundred years, now we're really broke.
67 RedPepper // Aug 20, 2009 at 11:00 am
Darthmeister #59: The Prophet Obama doesn’t agree with “nearly broke” either.
An exchange from this past Memorial Day:
Steve Scully : “At what point do we run out of money?”
Pres. Obama : “Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits … ”
If we can’t believe the Prophet (pbuh), who can we believe?
68 Ms RightWing Ink // Aug 20, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Just a heads up for fellow (ette) AstroTurfs, our Akron area Tea Party yesterday drew over 7,000 people. Now, I must also add that Akron, Summit County is one of the most Democratic areas in Ohio. They never imagined that could happen. They even tied up the freeway trying to get there.
Sorry to say, I was not there-transportation issues, which generally cause me to miss most great events.
69 Beerme // Aug 20, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Ms RW, Ink.,
How could there be a traffic issue if all of the astroturfers are being bused in by Glen Beck…come to think of it, I've only seen buses when SEIU bused in activists in PA…hhmmm?!?!
70 Darthmeister // Aug 20, 2009 at 7:30 pm
""Give me your tired, your poor,. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"
This is liberals' and Obamabots' interpretation of the above: "Give me your ignorant, your easily influenced, your huddled cattle yearning to live on our progressive plantation" … they make the best kind of voters for us!"
When you really get down to it, liberals don't care one whit about "the huddle masses", they only want to propagandize them and invite them onto their welfare plantation so they will forever be straight ticket Demoncrats. If liberals reeeeeeally cared about the principles of self-reliant liberty as it applies to the American poor as well as illegal/legal immigrants, they would be PERSONALLY involved in banding together in private enterprises to house the poor, buy them groceries, and help pay their premiums on private healthcare insurance.
I'm tired of bleeding heart liberals who are all talk about "compassion" and no action … except to empower government to reach deeper into everyone else's backpockets in the vain hope of creating the left's much ballyhooed utopia.
71 Darthmeister // Aug 20, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Will Obamarx end up creating a Fannie Mae Healthcare System if he doesn't get his original "public option"? He and his mindless minions are masters of smoke and mirrors so we must remain ever vigilant of these closet socialists.
72 boberinyetagain // Aug 20, 2009 at 4:37 pm
How many adopted children do you have Hank?
I forget but I’m certain its a lot of them since you are dead set against abortion.
Sound familiar big boy? Personal involvement and all that…
And again, more to the point at hand, is your life entirely free of the benefit deriven from cheap “illegal” labor?
Scott, getting dizzy going back and forth between quote formats!
73 RAM1 // Aug 20, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Stewart and his fawning lib fans, love to laugh at others but fail to see that the messiah they elevated to power has played them for the obvious fools they are!
The ONLY thing I can say for the likes of Stewart, Helen Thomas, and some liberals is, they are STARTING to see Obama fro what he is, while the Kool-Ade drinking "Obama-bots" just keep on being F-O-O-L-S!!!!
74 RAM1 // Aug 20, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Stewart and his fawning lib fans, love to laugh at decent Americans, but fail to see that the messiah they elevated to power has played them for the obvious fools they are. The "JOKE-er" is on them!!!
The ONLY thing I can say for the likes of Stewart, Helen Thomas, and some liberals is, they are STARTING to see Obama fro what he is, while the Kool-Ade drinking "Obama-bots" just keep on being F-O-O-L-S!!!!
75 onlineanalyst // Aug 21, 2009 at 12:36 am
Jay Cost describes "amateur hour at the White House." What is most telling is the map included in the article. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/20...
76 gafisher // Aug 21, 2009 at 12:45 am
Bober, Emma Lazarus' "schmaltzy sonnet" has nothing whatsoever to do with either the Statue of Liberty or with America's stand and history regarding immigration. It is in fact antithetical to the symbol the Statue itself was intended to convey. America has always welcomed those who come to participate in our society, but that must begin by respecting the laws upon which that society is built.
77 gafisher // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:04 am
Speaking (as we were) of malpractice, the Obumbler Administration's Cash for Clunkers program, a trade-in deal so simple any small to medium sized fulfillment agency could have run it like clockwork, has skidded into another mess. All over the US, dealers who were promised payment within ten days are sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of unsalable junk waiting for the White House Wizards to come through. In the entire state of New Mexico, the program has to date paid the obligated reimbursement on a grand total of three vehicles (story here).
No doubt American Health Care providers find nothing of relevance in any of this …
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78 onlineanalyst // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:05 am
"Silent No More": http://politicalabacus.blogspot.com/2009/08/video...
Make it go viral!
79 RAM1 // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:47 am
If the stories are true that Republican auto dealerships were shut down and Democrat ones were left in business, then the 'slow' reimbursement story is a happy one!
At least to me!
80 Fred Sinclair // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:52 am
This in from a friend about a new website - interesting, buyers remorse.
http://www.iamsorryivotedforobama.com/
Anonymous from glen burnie, md 2009-08-20 18:03:05
I Am Sorry I Voted For Obama
I am an independent. In spite of what has been his involvement of the past before the election (which was shady) he was given a gift. The first black president. Once in, he said he was going to do right for the American people. He said "I won 57% to 53% so I still have to convince the rest of the American people he will work in a bi partisian way, blah, blah, blah. What the heck happened. I have never seen such coruption in my entire life. acorn, czars, Holder, Gibbs, Fishy emails, the stimulous political pay off at our exspense, pork budget, cap and scam, health bull. Look at the polls but he doesn't care and still is going a head with defaming amercia. Where is the FBI or supreme court (oh yea, he has that covered now) someone to stand up and truly investigate all the dishonesty and back room deals.
What happened to transparency. Where are the good dems to say STOP. Look what he has done in 8 months. What the heck is going to happened in the rest of the 3 1/2 years. Can we vote him out and most of the dems or will acorn and unions cheat them back into office without anyone to stop. Help!
81 Papanick // Aug 21, 2009 at 2:24 am
The proof is in the pudding and todays paper with the full page ad naming all the dems responsible for this mess goes back to the peanut farmer.
Ah member jimmah cotter claimimg he was a bjorn again christian…He hasn't the slighest idee what hees yappin bout.
Vote em all out!
82 RAM1 // Aug 21, 2009 at 12:18 am
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ0WRYMKWx4&NR…” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ0WRYMKWx4&NR…
Pelosi and Obama want more Americans dead. Along with those pesky fetuses, soon it will be "other undesirables" like old folks and whoever the 'State' determines are too sick to be "worthy" of more expensive government healthcare! Hey, it's good for America! Less Americans, less filthy polluters,-right?
If I had made the video in the link, I would have put Obama's statement in about, "If my daughters make a "mistake", I don't want them punished with a baby!", or Ruth Bader-Ginsburg statement about Roe v Wade being about getting rid of undesirables.
If stealing something small is STILL stealing, or any sin is still SIN, then why is helping to KILL humans, (even if the Supreme Court says it is OK), any different than what Germany did to Jews in the 1930's and 40's?
THAT is why Obama being compared to Hitler makes MUCH more sense than Hitler to Bush EVER DID!!!
83 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 21, 2009 at 10:55 am
84 onlineanalyst // Aug 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm
According the Rich Lowry, the Obama team thinks that Americans are "stupid" for questioning the HR3200 bill when, in fact, there are multiple smart reasons for skepticism about the bills and the weaselly (If not downright false) explanations coming from the Obama team to refute them.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWQ3Njk0OWNl...
The architects of this health-care abomination underestimate the mental acuity of the American public at their own political peril.
85 Darthmeister // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm
OBAMA: Republican "conspiracy" targets healthcare reform.
Yet another left-wing moonbat is born … not that I doubted it all along. Now Obamarx has officially climbed on the ever stupid vast right-wing conspiracy bandwagon. Shameless charlatan, can't debate the issues so he has to resort to some ignorant Donk conspiracy theory or even lies about the "lies" we've been purportedly telling about HB3200. It will fund abortion under "reproductive health services", it will raise taxes exorbitantly, it will mandate end of life "counselling", it will allow government to access all our financial information, it mandates putting government child-care "counselors" into the home of those with children, and it will greenlight access to it by illegal aliens or legal immigrants who don't pay into the system.
No, our objections aren't simply about illegals wanting another entitlement.
86 JamesonLewis3rd // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Death Panels already exist.
87 gafisher // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I understand the sentiment, RAM1, but frankly anything that strangles honest businesses is a bad thing, even if the owners practice poor political hygiene.
88 boberinyetagain // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:35 pm
1) abortion is currently funded, no change there
2) taxes are going to go up…have they ever gone down (except for the rich?)
3) if you read at all then you know those that have recieved the dreaded "end of life counselling" are much happier and even (get this, read it twice if need be) they live LONGER (and again happier) than those that don't recieve it
4) don't know how it is where you live but millions of children will benefit from their parents recieving counselling early on…millions. And that has to be good
5) again, you benefit daily from the labors of the "illegals" that you seem to dread/hate so much. Us American indians wish all you "foreigners" would leave, go back where you came from. The sooner the better!
89 Beerme // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I like it! But I also like sweet, organic lettuce. Does that make me an enigma?
90 gafisher // Aug 21, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I'm sorry Anonymous but you're responsible for all of this. What could have possessed you to vote for someone "In spite of what has been his involvement of the past before the election (which was shady)" — this guy's only history was negative! How could you support any candidate, much less one with absolutely nothing to show for experience or even mere competence, and vote that unknown quantity into the highest office in the land? Under what delusions or pretensions could you vote for someone based on the primary qualification that he would be "The first black president" — that's plain, pure racism. I'm not sorry for you, Anonymous — I'm sorry about you, sorry to have made your sorry acquaintance, for you and your ilk have played Russian Roulette with America's future, spun the cylinder and lost.
91 Darthmeister // Aug 21, 2009 at 4:04 pm
1) ALL abortions are federally funded? Really? That's what I'm talking about, universal abortioncare. Canard #1 from you.
2) Of course taxes are always going up, but note I said "exorbitantly". Taxes will go up at an even quicker pace. If you don't believe this then you're being willfully naive.
3) You're citing cases where people WANTED the counselling. What happens when it becomes universally mandated government "counselling"? You're comparing apples to oranges … again.
4) So you say. You still don't know what its like to live under a government national socialistic system, do you? I DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT. My life and hundreds of millions of other American lives have just done fine without government instrusions in child-care issues.
92 Darthmeister // Aug 21, 2009 at 4:04 pm
5) I "benefit daily" from illegals? Buwahahahaha! Why, because I eat an apple picked by an illegal alien? Look, the fact of the matter is, illegal aliens depress wages and in businesses that have been busted for employing illegal aliens, when they expand their payrolls in order to employ Americans to do the same jobs, they are still competitive and in fact, in most cases, they flourish. It's a lie that illegals are always working at jobs that "Americans don't want."
93 onlineanalyst // Aug 21, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Does anyone else have difficulty clicking on to my truncated links? I post them in full since everytime I try to use HTML here, the link does not appear.
94 gafisher // Aug 21, 2009 at 10:41 pm
OLA — IntenseDebate seems to work a lot like word processing did on the Commodore-64: back up what you write even before you hit the "Submit" button, and don't count on the formatting coming out the way you intended.
95 RAM1 // Aug 22, 2009 at 12:17 am
You are ASSUMING that these "honest businesses" that get the benefit (eventually) of Obama spreading the wealth around, of ALL of OUR TAX DOLLARS, to Democrat owned businesses, while closing down Republican businesses, are HONEST businesses!
There is NOTHING honest about this program or those that will benefit from another government handout!!!
ANYONE taking something they have NOT worked for is against GOD's law and they deserve anything they get for their GREED to take even more from the tax payer!
96 Possumtrot // Aug 22, 2009 at 6:47 am
So much anger! I can dig it!
Per onlineanalyst at #92, let’s see if HTML links still work here: there’s nothing new over at United Possums International, but I’m reliably informed the tweak of the Third Reich analogy makes for interesting. Thanks to those Constant Readers who finally propelled me over the 10,000 mark. Only three or four million to go before I catch up to Great Scott.
(Whenever I post here, I “select all” and copy my comment to the clipboard in case the latest commentary gizmo fails. Nothing I say is too important, anyhow, so I don’t usually follow up if it doesn’t appear PDQ.)
Fred at #81: I’m starting my crusade early; a reprise of what I said before last November. WE HAVE TO TAKE BACK CONGRESS! We’re stuck with another 3 1/2 years of smoke-and-mirrors from the White House, but “change we can count on” starts next year in the place where laws are promulgated. Pelosi and her fellow travelers are much more of a threat than The Manchurain Candidate. The Red Herring can veto things, but when it comes to making up the crap being rammed down our throats, those truly dangerous rascals in Congess need to be given their walking papers.
97 gafisher // Aug 22, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I appreciate the sentiment, RAM1, but if we carry that to its logical conclusion we should refuse to do business in anything but labor-for-labor barter. Certainly using government fiat money, based entirely on government promises and with no intrinsic (or properly extrinsic) value, would be entirely forbidden under that principle. Dealers who honor the C4C program are in no different position from those who honor social security checks.
As for closing down Republican businesses, it's not reasonable to blame dealers who weren't directly affected for what Obama did to the others.
By the way, I know several of the dealers in this area who were hit by Obama's takeover of Chrysler and GM — all have done what Conservatives always do: made the best of what God in His Providence has allowed, and so far are being blessed with good success as independent dealers.
98 RAM1 // Aug 23, 2009 at 12:17 am
OK gafisher, I might agree with MOST of what you said, (the first and last parts), I do NOT agree with this, " Dealers who honor the C4C program are in no different position from those who honor social security checks."
BIG DIFFERENCE! While there are some people who get Social Security checks that do not deserve them, I believe MOST recipients of SS have worked hard all their lives, and while it is a flawed system, have PAID IN MONEY TO IT!!!
Continued next:
99 RAM1 // Aug 23, 2009 at 12:18 am
Show me ANYONE who is entitled to a C4C's check! The money comes from ALL tax payers including ones like me who drive a car that was made in 1997, and another made in 1994. My bet is there are a LOT of C4C's cars being scrapped that are better than mine!
To say the two "checks", or the dealers who honor them are in no different position is not reasonable.
AND I do believe we can still blame people who voted Obama into office especially when he is now SELECTIVELY, (by what party a dealership belongs to), paying them back with money for their businesses.
I DO agree with you that GOD will make a way to bless his people EVEN in spite of what the "world" tries to do to them!
100 RAM1 // Aug 25, 2009 at 6:24 am
Congress Critter Baron Hill, (supposed "blue dog"), represents the district that Indiana University is in, (Bloomington, IN). Hill is running commercials in key areas of the State of Indiana, including Indianapolis, to tout his "supposed" accomplishments, including "Obama healthcare reform". They ask that you call and "thank Hill" for all he has done!
This shows how bizarre these libs have become! He has refeused to hold Town Hall meetings while home and then he thinks people will call and thank him?
This is one moron who probably doesn't care he will lose his seat back to Mike Sodrel who held it last term because Hill will simply go back to his previous job of LOBBYIST, or maybe Obama has promised these "blue dogs", (more like lap dogs), jobs as Czars or Cabinet posts. You would think they would know how he lies.
Here is "blue (lap) dog" Hill stating why he won't hold Town Hall meetings:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ6Ga8urR7s” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ6Ga8urR7s
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHPvR6fOMnI&NR…” target=”_blank”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHPvR6fOMnI&NR…
101 gafisher // Aug 30, 2009 at 1:50 am
I must respectfully disagree, Darth.
The United States is not "nearly broke" as you say. We've been past "nearly broke" for decades, and with Obama's doubling — in six months — the deficit of the entire previous two hundred years, now we're really broke.
102 gafisher // Aug 30, 2009 at 1:58 am
Understood, RAM1; I was a little uncomfortable myself with the analogy when it first occurred to me. But, despite the good intentions of those who contributed all their lives, the SS system is in fact and by any definition a gigantic Ponzi scheme. The recipients are as innocent as (probably a lot more innocent than) Madoff's clients, but the checks they receive are still little more than stolen goods.
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