Scott Ott, editor of ScrappleFace.com, writes Tuesday and Friday columns for The Washington Examiner. Here’s a brief excerpt of his latest and a link to read more.
U.S. President Barack ‘Hussein’ Obama’s historic speech in Cairo, Egypt, Thursday appears to have cleared up what Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak now calls “the big Middle East mix up and this silly old religious feud.”
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1 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Thank goodness we elected this man. How hard was that? Sheesh
2 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Without the calming effect of religion…what would we fight about?
3 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:06 pm
The One we were waiting for, no bout adoubt it.
4 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Bober Re: "… what would we fight about?"
There's still sports.
5 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:12 pm
By golly you're right! Soccer seems particularly well suited to such nonsense.
Looks like it's just you and me today…Friday and all…
6 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Soccer?!?
It's Fütbol, you bloody imperialist! <g>
7 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Wanna fight about it? C'mon…I ain't askeered of you!
8 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I'm here; just can't seem to think of anything to add. Obama's speech was superb, as always. He was very even-handed, giving credit where credit was due while assigning blame those who deserved it.
It always bothers me, though, to hear someone declaring himself to be a Christian, yet speaking in such glowing terms about Islam; to be fair, the same thing bothered me about Bush. I understand that a president needs to be "all things to all people," but a true Christian shouldn't stoop to glorifying what his God calls an idol, and he should never-EVER-deign to equate any false god with the one true God of the Bible.
Lastly, Obama closed with the following comment:
Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine? To me, Obama is saying that religion is just a choice of clothing; we all may pick something different to wear, but underneath, we're all just people, as we have been since "the cradle of civilization." The core thing to remember is that it's about "a faith in other people," not a faith in our God.
Sure, it's an interpretation, but I think anyone would be hard-pressed to read anything else from Obama's words, both here and in the past.
9 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 4:56 pm
I'm here; just can't seem to think of anything to add. Obama's speech was superb, as always. He was very even-handed, giving credit where credit was due while assigning blame those who deserved it.
It always bothers me, though, to hear someone declaring himself to be a Christian, yet speaking in such glowing terms about Islam; to be fair, the same thing bothered me about Bush. I understand that a president needs to be "all things to all people," but a true Christian shouldn't stoop to glorifying what his God calls an idol, and he should never-EVER-deign to equate any false god with the one true God of the Bible.
Lastly, Obama closed with the following comment:
Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine? To me, Obama is saying that religion is just a choice of clothing; we all may pick something different to wear, but underneath, we're all just people, as we have been since "the cradle of civilization." The core thing to remember is that it's about "a faith in other people," not a faith in our God.
Sure, it's an interpretation, but I think anyone would be hard-pressed to read anything else from Obama's words, both here and in the past.
10 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:05 pm
JAQ Re: "Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine?"
I agree, but I'd go beyond that and call it a flat-out baldfaced lie. What "lies at the heart of every religion" except Christianity is the principle of lex talionis, the Law of Retribution. In the specific context of Obama's speech, the Islamic equivalent is called Qisas, the Law of Retaliation, a concept which was very publicly applied recently when Ameneh Bahrami, an Iranian woman who was blinded (in both eyes) and disfigured by an acid-throwing attacker demanded and received a decision by the Iranian courts that her attacker be likewise blinded. Because Bahrami is "only" a woman, the court determined that her attacker's punishment was to have acid applied by a dropper to just one eye, since one of a man's eyes are worth two of a woman's.
Although culture throughout the world has been affected by the work of Christians demonstrating and teaching Jesus' "Golden Rule," to the extent that a degree of empathy and forgiveness is now virtually equated with "civilized behavior," the fact remains that when and where this Christian influence is withdrawn from a society it rapidly devolves to lex talionis, "an eye for an eye."
11 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:06 pm
JAQ Re: "Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine?"
I'd go beyond that and call it a flat-out baldfaced lie. What "lies at the heart of every religion" except Christianity is the principle of lex talionis, the Law of Retribution. In the specific context of Obama's speech, the Islamic equivalent is called Qisas, the Law of Retaliation, a concept which was very publicly applied recently when Ameneh Bahrami, an Iranian woman who was blinded (in both eyes) and disfigured by an acid-throwing attacker demanded and received a decision by the Iranian courts that her attacker be likewise blinded. Because Bahrami is "only" a woman, the court determined that her attacker's punishment was to have acid applied by a dropper to just one eye, since one of a man's eyes are worth two of a woman's.
Although culture throughout the world has been affected by the work of Christians demonstrating and teaching Jesus' "Golden Rule," to the extent that a degree of empathy and forgiveness is now virtually equated with "civilized behavior," the fact remains that when and where this Christian influence is withdrawn from a society it rapidly devolves to lex talionis, "an eye for an eye."
12 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:07 pm
JAQ Re: "Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine?"
I'd go beyond that and call it a flat-out baldfaced lie. What "lies at the heart of every religion" except Christianity is the principle of lex talionis, the Law of Retribution. In the specific context of Obama's speech, the Islamic equivalent is called Qisas, the Law of Retaliation, a concept which was very publicly applied recently when Ameneh Bahrami, an Iranian woman who was blinded (in both eyes) and disfigured by an acid-throwing attacker demanded and received a decision by the Iranian courts that her attacker be likewise blinded. Because Bahrami is "only" a woman, the court determined that her attacker's punishment was to have acid applied by a dropper to just one eye, since one of a man's eyes are worth two of a woman's.
Although culture throughout the world has been affected by the work of God through Christians demonstrating and teaching Jesus' "Golden Rule," to the extent that a degree of empathy and forgiveness is now virtually equated with "civilized behavior," the fact remains that when and where this Christian influence is withdrawn from a society it rapidly devolves to lex talionis, "an eye for an eye."
13 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:41 pm
JAQ Re: "… the same thing bothered me about Bush."
It bothered me too. While Bush carried out his Oath of Office (unlike the current occupant) he was lax at best in living up to the profession of a Christian. As you said, the President must govern all Americans, not just some, but that does not require abandonment of principles. Rather, it demands absolute fidelity to the highest of principles, which in our best past Presidents have been religious.
John Calvin famously said that a nation was better off being ruled by a wise Muslim than by a foolish Christian ("Better a wise Turk than a Christian donkey,") but I'm sure he'd agree that the best choice would be a wise Christian.
14 libby // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:55 pm
I just want the pulled pork and tater salad, oh yea I can make it myself!!!!!!
15 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Christianity does not require "an eye for an eye"? What did I miss except "vengeance is mine" and "turn the other cheek" which is just about totally ignored by all, scoffed at even
16 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:29 pm
No, Christianity does not require "an eye for an eye."
17 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:30 pm
It would appear that you're answering your own questions now, Boberin. You didn't miss anything, except "vengeance is mine" and "turn the other cheek." Don't feel bad, though; ironically, most Christians have a hard time with the concept of forgiveness.
18 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:42 pm
ah, I guess I was responding to gafisher…
"What "lies at the heart of every religion" except Christianity is the principle of lex talionis"
I didn't think the "except" part belonged.
Now JL3 agrees…there is no "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" provision in the Bible? When did that get excised?
19 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Exodus 21:24 (King James Version)
24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot
20 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Leviticus 24:20 (King James Version)
20Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again
Seems it's still in my copy, a few places…no "exception" here
21 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Boberin, do you really want to get into a doctrinal argument?
Short story, "eye for an eye" was a principle of the Law of Moses, whose primary purpose was to point out that every sin requires equal atonement. Enter the new covenant, where Jesus' death has made the atonement for all sins: past, present, and future. So long as that atonement is accepted by the guilty party, they no longer owe "an eye;" their sin has been forgiven. As Christians in that new covenant, we're taught to forgive those who injure us, thereby illustrating Jesus' mercy toward them.
To say that "an eye for an eye" was never a part of the Judeo-Christian faith would be false, though. I'll give you that, Boberin.
22 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm
And here is the part that gets lost/ignored/scoffed at these days…
Matthew 5:37-39 (King James Version)
37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Rationalized by something along the lines of "but God didn't mean in THIS situation….prolly not
23 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Boberin, do you really want to get into a doctrinal argument?
Short story, "eye for an eye" was a principle of the Law of Moses, whose primary purpose was to point out that every sin requires equal atonement. Enter the new covenant, where Jesus' death has made the atonement for all sins-past, present, and future. So long as that atonement is accepted by the guilty party, they no longer owe "an eye;" their sin has been forgiven. As Christians in that new covenant, we're taught to forgive those who injure us, thereby illustrating Jesus' mercy toward them.
To say that "an eye for an eye" was never a part of the Judeo-Christian faith would be false, though. I'll give you that, Boberin.
24 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:04 pm
President Obama did not glorify Islam; he only showed respect for the religious beliefs of his hosts. Of those things in which the Koran is in agreement with Christian teaching, should he remain silent in his approval?
President Obama is also the president of American Muslims. Should he offend them? The reaction of Muslims is far kinder, and more Christ-like, than the reaction of many narrow-minded fundamentalists.
In the entire 2000 years since Christ's Resurrection, the Christian Church has only grown when persecuted. When believers persecute they only empower the enemies of Christ, and become servants of darkness themselves. When we act as our enemies, we become like them.
Americans are called to be an example to the world of God’s blessing, not His curse to it.
25 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:12 pm
In terms of "blessings" I'd say the muslims have done pretty well…who has the lions share of the oil and the perks that come with it?
Sanescrappler, welcome, voice of reason. You won't last a day here…unfortunately
26 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:22 pm
SaneScrappler says:
Perhaps, but not necessarily. He doesn't have to endorse the religion (which he did, at least as much as Christianity and Judaism) and refer to the Koran as "holy." At best, the Koran is the ravings of a mad man; at worst, it's demonic dictation.
The thing to keep in mind is that Barack Obama is to be a Christian first, all other things second. Politician or not; representative of the people or not, his first priority should be honoring God.
However, as I stated, I don't believe he truly has God as the master of his life; his words seem to make it clear that Christianity is a badge he wears when it's convenient (read: when he's campaigning), but what he truly holds in his heart is his "faith in other people."
He's a humanist, pure and simple.
How are we to bless the world if we endorse false gods and keep pointing people in a million different directions, so long as it's away from Christ?
27 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Hey boberin,
THANKS!
I understand your comment fully, but in a past life (under another name), I have managed to stay a lot longer than the insane Scrapplers would have me, if you know what I mean.
The SaneScrappler
28 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:23 pm
SaneScrappler says:
Perhaps, but not necessarily. He doesn't have to endorse the religion (which he did, at least as much as Christianity and Judaism) and refer to the Koran as "holy." At best, the Koran is the ravings of a mad man; at worst, it's demonic dictation.
The thing to keep in mind is that Barack Obama is to be a Christian first, all other things second. Politician or not; representative of the people or not, his first priority should be honoring God.
However, as I stated, I don't believe he truly has God as the master of his life; his words seem to make it clear that Christianity is a badge he wears when it's convenient (read: when he's campaigning), but what he truly holds in his heart is his "faith in other people."
He's a humanist, pure and simple.
How are we to bless the world if we endorse false gods and keep pointing people in a million different directions, so long as it's away from Christ?
29 Darthmeister // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Why doesn't Obamessiah resettle the Jews in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea? That should placate the Arabs.
Unemployment reaches 9.4%
Boy, Obama and the Congressional Donks are sure making good on their promise of "change". Oh, I forgot, it's BUSH'S FAULT!
Sotomayor Repeatedly Referenced 'Wise Woman' in Speeches…
It doesn't matter how many times she said it, she misspoke each time!
OBAMA CABINET USES 'STIMULUS' TRAVEL TO BOLSTER REELECTION CHANCES…
Keep in mind, its alright when liberal Donks do this because they're "doing it for the people", but if Republicans were doing this there would be bat-like shrieking sounds about corruption and misuse of public funds to score political points.
30 Darthmeister // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Reactions of Muslims have been far kinder
Buwahahahahahaha! Yeah, because Obama is kowtowing to them and kissing their backsides, of course Muslim's responses have been far kinder! Yeah, let's just ignore the undeniable fact that devout Muslim fundamentalists resort to murder, beheadings, mutilations, honor killings, intimidation, carrying signs calling for the death of infidels in their Arab street protests, ad nauseam. Now tell me SaneScrappler where have "narrow-minded (Christian) fundamentalists" done such things except in the darkened, judgmental labyrinths of your mind? Why do you demonize conservative Christians while whitewashing Muslim fundamentalists? Quit insulting us with your false moral equivalences and hypocritical piety and start using your brain instead of resorting to the tired liberal cliches about conservative/fundamentalist Christians. We're nothing like Muslim fundamentalists though, ironically, your kneejerk condemnation of some of us here makes you more like Muslim fundamentalists who despise our Christian faith and the fact we stand in the way of their sharia law and the imposition of their global caliphate.
31 Darthmeister // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:34 pm
BTW, despite liberal humanist revisionism, the "eye for an eye" is the very basis of American law which seeks to "make the punishment fit the crime". Think about it, it doesn't say, "And eye for a nose", now does it?
It used to be when a neighbor killed another's goat, the person offended would kill his neighbor's son or other family member in retaliation. The Law of Moses attempted to correct this by making proper distinctions that human or humans and goats or goats and those two things are not equal in the eyes of justice. Unfortunately some have abused this principle to exact revenge when other avenues of justice or recompense were available. But it still remains true, that where no moral law exists because government has become tyrannical or anarchy reigns, then good people must band together and create a system of law and justice. The latter is not vigilantism and the way Amerika is heading down the tubes now we might soon find ourselves facing an anarcho-socialist fascism which violates the natural rights of free citizens.
32 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Darthmeister says:
Actually, the layoff rate is slowing; it's far lower than projected.
33 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:41 pm
So, SaneScrappler, what other "nom de plume" have you gone by at ScrappleFace.
All of us carried our old names over to the new system (more or less, in my case); it's only fair that we know who you are, as well.
34 boberinyetagain // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:45 pm
And so it begins…best of luck "sane"
"splaing" things has no effect, there are few if any here that can "turn the other cheek" about anything, rather they scoff at the notion…but you already know that apparently
35 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Oh' Darth One,
America has been Bushed!
YOU CAN SAY THAT OF ANY PROBLEM AMERICA NOW HAS, IT IS BUSH'S FAULT, AND BE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
The election of Barack Obama is proof of America's repentance of the ways of NutJobism.
And, God can heal Turrets syndrome, if called upon with a whole heart.
36 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Interesting use of the word "revealed" as opposed to "originated;" this lends credence to the Islamic belief that Islam was "revealed" to Mohammed by the angel Gabriel (after his belly was cut open and stirred up a bit, of course).
He also used the term "Holy Koran" no less than five (5) times.
So, multiple religions are actually a good thing, huh? There's a great Christian concept…
37 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:57 pm
"… Obama is kowtowing to them and kissing their backsides, …"
What you you have us, shoot 'em, or something? You must be a veteran right?
The SaneScrappler
38 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 8:58 pm
By the way, I suppose I'm resorting to originating comments, since my inline replies seem to be by and large ignored.
Boberin, I responded to your "eye for an eye" post, but it doesn't appear that you've read it yet, given your "few if any" comment. Any Christian who "scoffs at the notion" of turning the other cheek is in need of a good slappin'…
39 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Bober, it's not a rationalization, it's the <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=heb+8:13&version=nkj&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1">New Covenant.
40 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Bober, it's not a rationalization, it's the <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=heb+8:13&version=nkj&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1">New Covenant.
41 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Bober, it's not a rationalization, it's the New Covenant. Look up Hebrews 8:13 for one of several places where the concept is described or explained.
42 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Bober, it's not a rationalization, it's the New Covenant. Look up Hebrews 8:13 for one of several places where the concept is described or explained.
43 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:06 pm
I'd like to make it clear (as I thought I did in my original post) that by and large, I approved of Obama's speech. I agree with most of it, and I even acknowledge that a significant level of Islamic kiss-up was appropriate.
What I didn't approve of was when he crossed the line in multiple places by stamping Islam and the Koran with his approval. I didn't expect much different, because I understand (as does everyone here, if you're honest) that Obama's primary goal is uniting humankind in a secular, humanistic utopia. I honestly don't believe that he cares whether or not his "Christian faith" falls by the wayside, just so long as he continues to unite humanity.
Atheists and agnostics will say that this is to his credit, but true Christians will see this as the rejection of God that it is.
44 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:07 pm
"He also used the term "Holy Koran" no less than five (5) times."
That is the name! It is a noun, not an adjective! Most Muslims refer to Christians, as "People of the Book", like themselves. If they are respectful, should we not reciprocate?
The SaneScrappler
45 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:11 pm
SS Re: "Of those things in which the Koran is in agreement with Christian teaching, should he remain silent in his approval?"
The point quoted is one where the Quran and Christianity markedly disagree.
"Americans are called to be an example to the world of God’s blessing …"
Where? By whom? Certainly Christians are called upon to do so, and certainly America includes Christians, but those who are not Christians, whether Americans or otherwise, are neither called upon nor able to do as you say.
46 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:31 pm
SS:
Um, no. The name is "Koran" (or "Qu'ran," or however else you want to spell it). "Holy" is and always will be an adjective. When we say "Holy Bible," it's a term of reverent respect. The book itself is called a "bible."
You sure do toss around that "most" pretty confidently; I sincerely doubt that "most" Muslims refer to us as their religious kinfolk. That we most certainly are NOT; Islamic belief breaks with Judeo-Christian belief after Abraham.
Muslims believe that their faith dovetails into Judaism and Christianity, so of course they respect some variation of our Bible (although they dismiss it practically in its entirety; ask all your Islamic friends). We, on the other hand, believe that the Koran is a misleading work of Satan, placed here to befuddle people and lead them away from Christ. Why would any Christian show any respect to such a weapon?
47 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:33 pm
JAQ Re: "Interesting use of the word "revealed" as opposed to "originated" …"
Excellent insight.
It might have been better had Obama simply stuck to sovereignty and human-rights issues.
48 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:33 pm
"Atheists and agnostics will say that this is to his credit, but true Christians will see this as the rejection of God that it is."
Warmongers, and some nominal Christians will reject the effort of any man who truly serves the Prince of Peace, and the God of Love!
Even atheists and agnostics will see his example and open their hearts to The Source of his strength and courage.
The SaneScrappler
49 R.A.M. // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Has "Yapping" changed "It's" moniker? More like the INsaneScrappler, or VeinScrappler. Better yet, the "HusseinScrappler"! "It's" posts have all the similarities, name repeated at the end, spelling errors, and the typical Bush bashing.
I bet from listening to blabber, that the favorite line in his Church among the sheeple there is, "Obama said it, I believe it, and that settles it!"
50 R.A.M. // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Just call him boberin, E.T., Yapping, Newsman, etc. They all occupy the same worthless body!
51 R.A.M. // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:40 pm
When I said "Hussein Scrappler", I should have spelled it: WhoSaneScrappler!
52 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:48 pm
"We, on the other hand, believe that the Koran is a misleading work of Satan …"
Can't you just reject a thing without demonizing it! How do you feel about witch trials!
If a "Christian" would destroy Islam by violence, how does he differ from the "Islamic extremist"?
Seek God's face!
The SaneScrappler
53 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Usually, yes; however, the origin of the Koran (as described by Mohammed himself, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here) sounds extremely demonic. If he didn't believe what he wrote, then it's still an evil work designed to deceive.
Where'd you get that from? When did I suggest violence?
I'm getting a tad bit tired of your forced piety, SS. We all get that you're playing a part in order to irk us.
Oddly enough, Laughing@You has been relatively quiet today…
54 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 5, 2009 at 10:00 pm
No sooner, it seemed, than I started watching the so-called "historic speech" by TOTUS, I felt a wave of mortification flow over me.
BHO's extended "some of my best friends are Muslims" skit was obsequious pandering that demeaned all Americans.
55 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I have no idea what you mean! You must not be the brightest bulb in this box!
Instead of "VeinScrappler" I think you mean "VainScrappler", unless… are you a vampire?
The SaneScrappler
56 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:09 pm
JAQ Re: "Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine?"
I'd go beyond that and call it a flat-out baldfaced lie. What "lies at the heart of every religion" except Christianity is the principle of lex talionis, the Law of Retribution. In the specific context of Obama's speech, the Islamic equivalent is called Qisas, the Law of Retaliation, a concept which was very publicly applied recently when Ameneh Bahrami, an Iranian woman who was blinded (in both eyes) and disfigured by an acid-throwing attacker demanded and received a decision by the Iranian courts that her attacker be likewise blinded. Because Bahrami is "only" a woman, the court determined that her attacker's punishment was to have acid applied by a dropper to just one eye, since one of a man's eyes is worth two of a woman's.
Although culture throughout the world has been affected by the work of God through Christians demonstrating and teaching Jesus' "Golden Rule," to the extent that a degree of empathy and forgiveness is now virtually equated with "civilized behavior," the fact remains that when and where this Christian influence is withdrawn from a society it rapidly devolves to lex talionis, "an eye for an eye."
57 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:50 pm
JAQ Re: "… the same thing bothered me about Bush."
It bothered me too. While Bush carried out his Oath of Office (unlike the current occupant) he was lax at best in living up to the profession of a Christian. As you said, the President must govern all Americans, not just some, but that does not require abandonment of principles. Rather, it demands absolute fidelity to the highest of principles, which in our best past Presidents have been religious.
John Calvin famously said that a nation was better off being ruled by a wise Muslim than by a foolish Christian ("Better a wise Turk than a Christian donkey,") but I'm sure he'd agree that the best choice would be a wise Christian.
58 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 6:53 pm
JAQ Re: "Does this strike anyone else as humanist doctrine?"
I'd go beyond that and call it a flat-out baldfaced lie. What "lies at the heart of every religion" except Christianity is the principle of lex talionis, the Law of Retribution. In the specific context of Obama's speech, the Islamic equivalent is called Qisas, the Law of Retaliation, a concept which was very publicly applied recently when Ameneh Bahrami, an Iranian woman who was blinded (in both eyes) and disfigured by an acid-throwing attacker demanded and received a decision by the Iranian courts that her attacker be likewise blinded. (Because Bahrami is "only" a woman, the court determined that her attacker's punishment was to have acid applied by a dropper to just one eye, since one of a man's eyes is worth two of a woman's.)
Although culture throughout the world has been affected by the work of God through Christians demonstrating and teaching Jesus' "Golden Rule," to the extent that a degree of empathy and forgiveness is now virtually equated with "civilized behavior," the fact remains that when and where this Christian influence is withdrawn from a society it rapidly devolves to lex talionis, "an eye for an eye."
59 SaneScrappler // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:02 pm
JAQ,
I note JQ, has been silent too!
You say: "I'm getting a tad bit tired of your forced piety, SS. We all get that you're playing a part in order to irk us."
I'm sorry to hear that you feel this way. If you like, I will be happy to stipulate that you are more pious than I.
Gee, when you say "us", is that like the royal "we", or are you the spokesperson for a group?
I'm sorry, if you will start acting in a way that is consistent with sinner, saved by grace, perhaps I will not irk you so.
As President Obama beseeched Muslims to adhere to the teaching of Islam, so do I beseech you to follow the teaching of Christ Jesus.
The remedy for "irk".
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Romans 5:1-5 KJV
The SaneScrappler
60 onlineanalyst // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:18 pm
I would imagine that these collegial brunches will NOT feature bacon or scrapple. (Ha! Ha!) Should testiness arise, Bloody Marys will be on order. For the Muslims, I suppose that they will have to settle for virgin Marys.
Obama has mastered the skill of speaking softly and talking out both sides of his mouth. Equivocation will do that to a politician.
61 onlineanalyst // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:36 pm
The slippery part about this phrasing "a religion of peace" to describe Islam is that the peace it embraces literally means a submission to the will of Allah as "revealed" in the Koran. The "peace" that Muslims insist on is d'ar Islam and sharia law.
The roundup of responses to Obama's speech over at NRO's "The Corner" is quite telling. Those most familiar to the culture of the ME and Islam in particular recognize that what Obama is calling for is essentially dhimmitude. Europe is succumbing to it at the peril of its own heritage.
62 JAQ // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:38 pm
I never made any mystery about my identity, which was pretty obvious anyway; I came right out and explained that IntenseDebate required a name 3 characters or longer, so I had to throw in a 3rd letter. You're the one who's avoided letting us (the ScrappleFace forum) know to whom we're speaking.
To a degree, I believe I'm speaking for the majority of the ScrappleFace forum, of whom I seem to be one of the more civil representatives towards you (possibly L@Y, since you haven't denied it), Boberin, and all the other screen names that pop up to irritate the conservatives in this forum.
I try to have patient conversation, as it's the only kind that seems to get anywhere where dialog is concerned, but you folks always do your best to stir things into an argument. It certainly does nothing to change my impression that you're only here looking to irritate some conservatives.
I'm sorry if I've given the impression that I think myself to be "pious." I've got plenty of my own issues, top among them a susceptibility to be drawn into arguments. I'm well-aware of my position as a sinner saved by grace.
Here are a few verses for YOU to consider, assuming you take them as seriously as you claim to:
(Gee, why did he have to "demonize" that one?)
63 onlineanalyst // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:38 pm
"Vengeance is Mine," sayeth the Lord.
64 gafisher // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:41 pm
SS, you've certainly got some unique views on piety. Tell me, are you a member of any organized church, or are your disciples still searching for you?
(Are they the ones in the white jackets?)
65 onlineanalyst // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:49 pm
The "payoff" that I saw this morning was six fellows erecting a typical highway construction sign for some "shovel ready" road work lauding the Obama Economic Recovery Act. The road work is just the expected PennDot summer repair of potholes. The sign with the Obama logo, however, required the strenght and decorating skills of six, count 'em, six brawny men. (How will the new "paymaster czar" decide to award their labors?)
66 onlineanalyst // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:52 pm
You mean that we weren't all supposed to wear black bags over our heads while we nodded in agreement to Obama-the-Wise's measured words? What was I thinking?
67 onlineanalyst // Jun 5, 2009 at 11:56 pm
How about if Obama had simply discussed human rights and stressed the fundamental freedoms of humans instead of spouting his vapid pap about religions, a topic of which his knowledge is rather limited.
68 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:32 am
"BHO's extended "some of my best friends are Muslims" skit was …" probably true, all things considered.
69 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:40 am
"I suppose that they will have to settle for virgin Marys. "
72 of them.
70 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:55 am
Invite Judge Sotomayor to your next pig roast; at least she'd cut down on the waste … <G>
71 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:56 am
Invite Judge Sotomayor to your next pig roast; at least she'd cut down on the waste … <G>
72 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:57 am
Invite Judge Sotomayor to your next pig roast; at least she'd cut down on the waste …
"Supreme Court Nominee Says She Loves Exotic Pig Fare: Intestines, Tongue, Feet, Ears"
73 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:57 am
Invite Judge Sotomayor to your next pig roast; at least she'd cut down on the waste …
"Supreme Court Nominee Says She Loves Exotic Pig Fare: Intestines, Tongue, Feet, Ears"
74 gafisher // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:57 am
Invite Judge Sotomayor to your next pig roast; at least she'd cut down on the waste …
"Supreme Court Nominee Says She Loves Exotic Pig Fare: Intestines, Tongue, Feet, Ears"
75 libby // Jun 6, 2009 at 1:41 am
To those that have an ear,
The LOVE you send out comes back in time.
Whhat goes around comes around,
You will see sometime………………
76 R.A.M. // Jun 6, 2009 at 5:47 am
Of course you don't "Yapping", e.t., neverthink, faux military war hero. You are excused for being such a moron and failing so miserably at trying to form a new identity. You are certainly no Barack "WhoSane" Obama now, are you?
We are laughing AT you, NOT with you, fool!
77 R.A.M. // Jun 6, 2009 at 5:57 am
Is there a plumber in the house? My toilet seems to stopped up with the unholy koran I flushed down it earlier today.
PS: The "whoSaneScappler"/"Yapping Chihuahua", trying to make us think he is a new poster is about as convincing as Obama claiming he is a "Natural Born Citizen", or a "Christian".
78 R.A.M. // Jun 6, 2009 at 6:13 am
Speaking of "ears", did you see where "Barry" saw his likeness in the Egypt tome?
It figures. Most of his ideas for turning the economy around are just about as brain dead as the mummy's buried there. Actually, if we had used dead people's ideas, (meaning to do NOTHING at all), the economy would actually have a chance to turn around. Dumbo's plan will ruin America, and I will get no joy saying I told you so you stupid libs when America goes bankrupt!
Also, when Obama was strolling with Angela Merkel, he looked so Presidential with both of his hands stuffed in his pockets. I am sure most military people spotted this and know how much a goof ball it made him look!
Too bad he didn't fall flat on his face!
79 R.A.M. // Jun 6, 2009 at 6:22 am
Neither are you when you, (just like your "neverthink" personality), point out others OCASSIONAL spelling errors, while YOU make them on almost every post!
Get your "beam" out, and ignore my "mote", OK Mr Bible scholar?
Now where is that laughing smiley face button Scott?
80 R.A.M. // Jun 6, 2009 at 6:30 am
JAQ: EXCELLENT verses. You should have posted them on the regular thread so they would be visible without clicking on the reply button because you NAILED the troll to the WALL with those great, descriptive verses!
"yapping"/neverthink is a small, VERY small, angry, evil man who is bound for hell unless he wakes from his slumber very soon, as is true of many people, (MOSTLY libs)!!!
The only scripture that comes to mind that I would have added about it/him/them is "And ALL liars shall have their part in the lake of fire!"
81 SaneScrappler // Jun 6, 2009 at 7:11 am
Yes, cheapshot, I also heard him point the out!
82 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 6, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Surprising.
~~~~~
And the men took of their victuals, and asked not counsel at the mouth of the LORD. ~~Joshua 9:14
83 Darthmeister // Jun 6, 2009 at 3:18 pm
"Obama Beach" on D-Day? Out of the mouth thinketh the heart …
Well, Obama has certainly beached the American economy on the shoals of liberal idiocy, but what comes next, appoint Obama the savior of the world? What happens now that Obamanation now becomes global Obama (Globama)
84 Darthmeister // Jun 6, 2009 at 3:38 pm
SaneScrappler, have you ever read the Koran? I have from back cover to the front (and only someone who has actually read the Koran/Qu'ran knows what I'm talking about). The Koran/Qu'ran is not a holy book nor is it a book of peace. It denies the divinity of Christ (a central theme of historic Christianity) reinteprets the entire life of Christ, sees no need for a personal savior. I could go on but space prevents it.
Suffice it to say, despite modern humanist revisionists and Islamists, the Koran was written as a direct attack on the Bible and Christians since Mohammed sought to undermine many of the foundational doctrines of Christendom. It would be like me saying I want to be at peace with you while calling your mother and sister whores and your father and brother pedophiles. Besides, how can a book inspired by the likes of a pedophile (Mohammed had relations with ten year old girl, Ashia … and others) and a blood-thirsty bushwhacker (Mohammed unrepentantly pillaged any number of caravans) ever be considered holy?
85 Upnorthlurkin // Jun 6, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Oh my, Chuckles has yet another personality…. so good to see Obey-me leaves our country for another Tour de farce and his apologists remain.
86 SaneScrappler // Jun 6, 2009 at 5:44 pm
No Darthmeister, I have never read the Koran. But, I have read brief parts, one of which includes President Obama's references in the speech he gave in Cairo.
"The Koran/Qu'ran is not a holy book nor is it a book of peace. It denies the divinity of Christ (a central theme of historic Christianity) reinteprets the entire life of Christ, sees no need for a personal savior."
I have, over a period, read a good number of your renderings of scriptural passages. My most polite response to most of those interpretations would be; I disagree with you. Your understanding of these bible passages have often yielded a violent, and hate filled view of Christianity. Whether you are correct or not about the Koran I cannot say, but for you to conclude that it is not a book of peace does not surprise me, because of your division of Holy Scripture.
Of course, the Koran does not need for a personal savior. But, neither does it offer Mohamed as such a one.
"It would be like me saying I want to be at peace with you while calling your mother and sister whores and your father and brother pedophiles."
I understand and share your concern in this; but Darthmeister, often I have felt you hold the same opinion of any who disagree with you politically or religiously.
“Suffice it to say, despite modern humanist revisionists and Islamists, the Koran was written as a direct attack on the Bible and Christians since Mohammed sought to undermine many of the foundational doctrines of Christendom.”
Darthmeister, for me there is no “fortress” Christendom, and there is no need of one. I do not care whom attacks it, in the end, no attack can succeed and will in all likelihood will serve only to make it stronger. My God is not an icon that I should feel a need to rescue from a burning building. As with America, Christianity should not fear external attack, it is the internal attack is the greatest threat.
Throughout the ages persecution has only made us stronger, our own arrogance has threatened us. It is pride and self-worship we should fear.
Like Lucifer, our greatest enemy is self!
87 passenger ship » Cradle of civilization // Jun 6, 2009 at 1:46 pm
[...] Obama Cairo Speech Settles Muslim-Jewish Feud [...]
88 SaneScrappler // Jun 6, 2009 at 5:47 pm
No Darthmeister, I have never read the Koran. But, I have read brief parts, one of which includes President Obama's references in the speech he gave in Cairo.
"The Koran/Qu'ran is not a holy book nor is it a book of peace. It denies the divinity of Christ (a central theme of historic Christianity) reinteprets the entire life of Christ, sees no need for a personal savior."
I have, over a period, read a good number of your renderings of scriptural passages. My most polite response to most of those interpretations would be; I disagree with you. Your understanding of these bible passages have often yielded a violent, and hate filled view of Christianity. Whether you are correct or not about the Koran I cannot say, but for you to conclude that it is not a book of peace does not surprise me, because of your division of Holy Scripture.
Of course, the Koran does not indicate a need for a personal savior. But, neither does it offer Mohamed as such a one.
"It would be like me saying I want to be at peace with you while calling your mother and sister whores and your father and brother pedophiles."
I understand and share your concern in this; but Darthmeister, often I have felt you hold the same opinion of any who disagree with you politically or religiously.
“Suffice it to say, despite modern humanist revisionists and Islamists, the Koran was written as a direct attack on the Bible and Christians since Mohammed sought to undermine many of the foundational doctrines of Christendom.”
Darthmeister, for me there is no “fortress” Christendom, and there is no need of one. I do not care whom attacks it, in the end, no attack can succeed and will in all likelihood will serve only to make it stronger. My God is not an icon that I should feel a need to rescue from a burning building. As with America, Christianity should not fear external attack, it is the internal attack is the greatest threat.
Throughout the ages persecution has only made us stronger, it is our own arrogance has threatened us. It is pride and self-worship we should fear.
Like Lucifer, our greatest enemy is self!
89 SaneScrappler // Jun 6, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Lurch,
About your avatar: You look pretty much as I expected, except you are not showing your teeth.
Since you and me are kind of sniping buds, let me tell you, neither of my two names, everthink or Laughing@You, would work at first. I thought, kind as I am, maybe it was something I said.
Then I decided to try another name. I thought, and I thought, and then some more, before coming up with my new banner. I said to myself what is lacking? Then I thought of you, and the answer just came to me.
I hoped you would like it. How about my picture? Don't you think it looks a lot live George Clooney?
Your pal,
(The only) SaneScrappler
90 SaneScrappler // Jun 6, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Lurch,
About your avatar: You look pretty much as I expected, except you are not showing your teeth.
Since you and me are kind of sniping buds, let me tell you; neither of my two names, everthink or Laughing@You, would work at first. I thought, kind as I am, maybe it was something I said.
Then I decided to try another name. I thought, and I thought, and then some more, before coming up with my new banner. I said to myself what is lacking? Then I thought of you, and the answer just came to me.
I hoped you would like it. How about my picture? Don't you think it looks a lot live George Clooney?
Your pal,
(The only) SaneScrappler
91 SarcasticName // Jun 6, 2009 at 7:50 pm
EGAD!
Mr. Henning (everthink-sanescrappler). Has been turned into a theologist by this site. He considers it as a hobby, taunting and engaging in schoolyard insult battles, but it has actually made him think upon spiritual matters. Bravo Scrappleface!
92 RedPepper // Jun 6, 2009 at 8:11 pm
“Plus ça change, plus ç’est la même chose.”
~ Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr (1808-1890)
93 Upnorthlurkin // Jun 6, 2009 at 9:03 pm
I was gonna say a pile of poop is still a pile of poop, no matter what you call it….you of course, said it much better!
94 Darthmeister // Jun 6, 2009 at 9:31 pm
In liberal San Francisco: Let the homeless remain homeless.
Some more of libtard's "legal" compassion to keep those without means on their plantation. Laws which strip the common man of his means of support are immoral, intrusive, and coercive. Laws should facilitate entrepeneurship, not diminish it! Leave it to liberal legalists to require even children with kool-aid stands to obtain vendor permits! Fascists all.
95 JAQ // Jun 6, 2009 at 9:40 pm
SS-
Thanks for the tone of your response to Darthmeister, which is far more respectful and constructive than the originating post. While I'm 50/50 in agreement and disagreement with your statements, I appreciate the fact that you're discussing them without sniping.
That's something we could ALL do a bit better at. I actually believe that the majority of the juvenile, catty comments come from my conservative "compatriots" here, so I appreciate your attempt to be "the bigger man" in this situation.
96 SaneScrappler // Jun 6, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Wow! Bless your heart!
It is likely we will never agree, but I'm not so sure that isn't good. I really don't think either extreme of the political spectrum has the answers that will best serve our country. We very much need a balance the can only be found when we work together.
As a former conservative, I understand the concerns many here have, some of them concern me as well.
We can only do what we think right at a given time, and never let pride keep us from changing course, as needed.
Thank you!
97 Upnorthlurkin // Jun 6, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Just so y'all know, as my name implies, I'm up in ND….it's June 5th up here and 200 miles west and south of me, we had 2 or so inches of SNOW today…more, I say more evidence of the infamous glow-BULL(as in horse hockey)warming!??
98 Upnorthlurkin // Jun 6, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I believe you "outed" our beloved (p-tooey) Chuckles a few years back at this site. Please, enlighten us once again….I've forgotten all the gory details. (Other than the fact that he is truly a legend in his own mind.
99 EgoSpeak // Jun 7, 2009 at 12:35 am
This is very off track but… today was the funeral for murdered abortion doctor George Tiller. I heard on the news that some who were there were refering to the late doctor as a civil rights hero or pioneer, I don't recall the exact words used. This reminded me of something a commenter posted on a leftwing blog earlier in the week.
It wasn't enough that those in the prolife community were as appalled as anybody about the murder. In the minds of the commenters prolifers were to blame if not directly, than certainly indirectly.
Most of the commenters used the "the debate is over" and we're on the side of the angels tactic. This certitude was expressed most forcefully by one poster who dismissively wrote, "Life doesn't begin at conception, life doesn't begin at birth." He may have said something else but I was so astounded by that statement that I don't recall what it may have been. I was amazed, and yet not really, that none of his fellow posters even commented on his absurd assertion. And yet, we're considered the extremists. Go figure.
Regards,
100 JAQ // Jun 7, 2009 at 12:56 am
Hey, UpNorth; we had snow here in Montana today, too. What the HECK?
101 onlineanalyst // Jun 7, 2009 at 2:19 am
What is wrong about Obama's Cairo speech? Plenty.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023...
102 SarcasticName // Jun 7, 2009 at 3:59 am
Mr. Henning is truly a study in humanity. He can be the most pleasant of souls to converse with but when you are not present he will elucidate all of your faults. In person he is neither contradictory nor abusive. He seems to be passive-aggressive. He touts his service but complains about every minute of it. He is not a very impressive physical specimen -gory details not to be disclosed.
103 Darthmeister // Jun 7, 2009 at 2:35 pm
NDakota city sees first June snowfall in 60 years…
More evidence of global warming.
Obama's global warming bill 'patently absurd'; 'How do you control the weather?'
Indeed. Next thing you know he'll erect his throne on an Atlantic beach and command the tides not to come in … oh wait, that's been done before.
EU Leans Right: Recent elections show shift
So, they're getting tired of Euro-socialism, eh. Too bad the braindead Obamabots in Amerika are so determined to make failed communism/socialism work in this country.
Pelosi Still Receives CIA Briefings, But Won't Say If They're Truthful…
Buwahahahaha. What a tangled web of lies this Donk has woven. Her only option is to shut her obnoxious piehole and apparently that's what she's doing hoping the national socialist media will move on to covering cutting-edge issues like how one Republican took too wide of a stance in a bathroom stall.
104 Ms RightWing, Ink // Jun 7, 2009 at 5:03 pm
It seems to me that Scrappleface is a little more civil these days. Scott's new layout has calmed down tensions about 100 percent.
But meanwhile somewhere in the world at this very moment Hillary and her Broom has made mention that she is about to put N. Korea back on the list of terror nations.
Please explain "put back" to me
105 Darthmeister // Jun 7, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Obama's Message of Weakness
But what would you expect from a leftist humanist steeped in a fundamental hatred for traditional America?
106 onlineanalyst // Jun 7, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Where is this "Muslim world" of which Al Abu Obama speaks?
http://cinie.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/where-is-th...
This is good for a laugh, as well as its intrinsic truth behind the Flim-Flam Man's doubletalk.
107 onlineanalyst // Jun 7, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Dr. Walid Phares poses 15 questions about Obama's speech.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/walid_phares_s...
108 Darthmeister // Jun 8, 2009 at 12:26 am
Big Government Spending Programs Having Opposite Desired Effect
$1.8 Trillion worth of Big Government = Obama Administration and Donk Congress
Stupid liberals, government can't spend its way to prosperity. You're going to pay for ruining this country and destroying our retirement nest eggs.
109 gafisher // Jun 8, 2009 at 1:51 am
>> "Life doesn't begin at conception, life doesn't begin at birth."
Although not usually brought into the debate, and unlikely to come from the pro-abortion side, Psalm 139 verse 16 does confirm that statement:
110 onlineanalyst // Jun 8, 2009 at 2:30 am
Orianna Fallaci would agree: Obama is a denier of history. The origins of much learning and culture did not come from the Muslims. (Or maybe the fault of revisionist history lies with his inadequately schooled speechwriter.)
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/06/07/b...
111 onlineanalyst // Jun 8, 2009 at 2:55 am
Obama the Weasel Worder plays "Let's Pretend."
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTBkYjRmMzI4...
112 SarcasticName // Jun 8, 2009 at 1:59 am
Interesting e-mail I received:
SaneScrappler is now following the comments you've made in IntenseDebate. This means they have opted to view updates of your latest comments.
Some info about SaneScrappler:
Reputation: 9
Follows: 1
Followed by: 0
It is so nice to have followers!
113 boberinyetagain // Jun 8, 2009 at 1:36 pm
This is a more pleasant format…except for the posts that show up 8-10 times…and "refresh" takes you back to the beginning.
RAM, happy to note that your insults continue unabated. I stand in awe of your ability to keep that nonsense up…truly I do! Very mature indeed (for you)
114 boberinyetagain // Jun 8, 2009 at 1:56 pm
That and the amazing disappearing posts…
115 Darthmeister // Jun 8, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Some more Democrat liars caught in their web of deceit.
I wonder what took the NYT and the national socialist media so long to uncover this Democrat liar? I guess they were too busy investigating Joe the Plumber to worry about this Democrat dork running for office. And liberals actually think the lamestream media isn't biased toward Democrats. If this guy had been a Republican his mendacity would have been uncovered in a New York minute!
116 Upnorthlurkin // Jun 8, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Great link, as usual, OLA! Andrew McCarthy has a bit of experience in these matters too!
117 JQ // Jun 9, 2009 at 11:25 am
Thanks for the article, OLA. Mr. McCarthy put forward a very clear, well-supported case against Islam’s claims of being a “religion of peace.”
While I believe that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, good-intentioned folks, I also believe that those who are most true to the teachings of the Qu’ran are those who would kill “unbelievers” in the name of Allah; they are the ones following the example of Mohammed.
Regardless of what Obama says, we ARE at war with Islam, but it’s a war waged BY Islam against us, not vice-versa. Islam would kill non-Muslims, whereas the U.S. would protect non-Muslims; hence, our dilemma.
How has atheistic humanism attacked Christianity in America? By watering it down, infusing it with secular ideals and removing the less popular doctrines. It’s worked so well in America that Obama’s trying it overseas with Islam. If he can just convince Muslims that Islam is actually a religion that promotes peace, technology, and women’s rights, perhaps he can convince them to abandon 90% of their “holy book’s” teachings.
He’s really good at that sort of thing.
118 R.A.M. // Jun 9, 2009 at 11:35 am
re #113: If that makes you happy, glad I can help! After all, that is my main goal in life to make trolls/baby killer lovers happy.
119 gafisher // Jun 9, 2009 at 12:58 pm
OLA Re#111: “(Or maybe the fault of revisionist history lies with his inadequately schooled speechwriter.)”
Are you suggesting Obama doesn’t program his own TelePrompTer?
120 Newsman // Jun 9, 2009 at 2:38 pm
“Now tell me SaneScrappler where have “narrow-minded (Christian) fundamentalists” done such things …”
Curious, did you ever study history Darthy ? Christians have done some pretty dastardly things in times past.
121 onlineanalyst // Jun 9, 2009 at 7:02 pm
gafisher: Obama’s main speech writer, some “whiz kid,” who was supposedly behind the phenomenal outreach via the ‘Net to equally unschooled youth, repeatedly demonstrates the holes in his understanding of history. Between the revisionism of history books by Lefties and the instructors who use them for core work and inadequate research beyond the popular narrative promoted by the media, too many of the wunderkind delude the general population.
(At any rate, from the way Obamao presents himself, all history is measured by his wondrous birth and ascendance into power.)
You do know, don’t you, that the “decider” of much of the automobile strategy is a 31-year old lawyer who for some time was running the show alone. This young fellow has absolutely NO business experience NOR knowledge about car manufacturing.
This is the CHANGE that is crumbling our economy into oblivion so that Obama can recreate it into his own image of how life should be.
The idea of liberty to pursue our own happiness is alien to this fascistic, corporatist administration.
Newsman: Too many Muslims scattered around the world subscribe to the creed of doing “dastardly things” to “infidels” ever since their founding up through our current age. Their methods of punishment and retribution are barbaric. Somehow, they managed to skip any period of renaissance or enlightenment.
122 onlineanalyst // Jun 9, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“have subscribed”
OT: Does anyone know where Marge has been and how she is doing?
123 Newsman // Jun 10, 2009 at 12:44 pm
“…a fundamental hatred for traditional America?”
Where do you get such garbage D ??? Under a rock in your back yard someplace ?
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