(2009-02-17) — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner this week will unveil a plan to address the nation’s housing crisis by making $50 billion in direct payments to the 91 percent of homeowners who currently pay their mortgages on time.
The plan is an 11th-hour revision of the original scheme which would have allowed government-backed renegotiation of loans between banks and delinquent or foreclosed homeowners.
“We want to invest in what works,” said Mr. Geithner. “It suddenly dawned on me that rewarding people who bought more house than they could afford, and backing banks that made risky loans, would just throw good money after bad. But the vast majority of Americans make sensible mortgage decisions, so when we put cash in their hands they’ll use it in ways that will reinforce a sound, sustainable economy.”
Only about nine percent of mortgages are delinquent or in foreclosure, Mr. Geithner noted.
“The best thing for these folks is to get them out of the McMansions and into modest homes or rental units they can afford,” the Treasury chief said. “If we bail them out now, then we just send a signal to the banks that Uncle Sam stands behind every foolish, risky or evil thing you do. We would effectively nationalize the banks while subsidizing people who think the American dream is a birthright payable upon demand.”
Asked by a reporter why the federal government should get involved at all, taking out a $50 billion loan to try to stabilize credit markets, Mr. Geithner said, “We’re just following the great Democrat example of Franklin Roosevelt during the Depression.”
“FDR knew that it doesn’t matter whether what you do will work, or even make sense,” he said, “What matters is that people think you care, and they see you doing something. Borrowing money against future tax receipts is something we can do, and we do it well.”
Related:Geithner to unveil TARP-based Lotto
(Scott Ott column at DCExaminer.com)
177 responses so far ↓
1 camojack // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:50 am
I wish.
2 mig // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:38 am
If only…
3 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:47 am
I keep checking my mailbox, but I still haven’t seen that bag of money Obama promised us yet. But if FoxNews is correct, then our whopping $8 per week should start showing up any day now… Yipee!
4 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:50 am
My bad. It will be $13 per week falling to $8 per week (see HERE). Must give credit where credit is due.
5 gafisher // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:15 am
Things are probably different in Pennsylvania, but here in Michigan the vast majority of the foreclosed homes I see rotting were pretty modest before the owners lost their jobs. Yes, there are McMansions here and there, but it’s extraordinarily heartless to characterize every lost home as such.
6 gafisher // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:18 am
Hawkeye Re#4: “Must give credit where credit is due.”
That’s a failed policy of the past.
7 boberinyetagain // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:18 am
Hey, you asked for tax cuts, you got tax cuts…sheesh.
I got mine, never late once on my mortgage but just got the payment lowered from $1250 to $950/month.
Now, if I could get my retirement fund back I’d be a happy camper…riggghhttt…
8 Pseudo-Polymath » Blog Archive » Tuesday Highlights // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:03 am
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9 Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent… » Things Heard: e55v2 // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:04 am
[...] Mr Geithner’s sooper seekret plan. [...]
10 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:51 am
re#3
“”Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:47 am
I keep checking my mailbox, but I still haven’t seen that bag of money Obama promised us yet. But if Fox News is correct, then our whopping $8 per week should start showing up any day now… Yipee! :wink:”"
Umm, no money has shown up here at the poor house either, only fear of the future for the disabled.
So, the way I figured out the whole promise is the poor and those unable to forge for themselves would be on Happy Street-you know, no more house payments, car payments and gas fill ups.
Shoot, lost again.
11 Newsman // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:16 am
Gee, you Republicans sure seem to love inflicting pain on to your fellow man these days.
I read today that Republicans in California will not support additional taxes necessary to keep government working. So, the State is going to have to lay off 20,000 employees and shut down all construction projects throwing even more thousands out of work.
Nice guys huh ?
And Hawkeye, you don’t have to take the money you know. You can return it or better yet send your share of the extra bucks to your fellow man in California being thrown out of work? Or just give it to somebody where you live who lost their job. Bet you don’t do either !!
12 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:50 am
Hey Zippy, those were 20,000 government jobs the way I heard it….I doubt anyone will notice they’re gone…..for every 2 government jobs, there’s one person sitting there doing nothing. It’s called trimming the fat! They’re not doing much, why should we keep paying them?! Yeah, we’re heartless ba@#$%*s….California caused California’s problems…let Californians take a good hard look at why they’re in debt and fix the causes….then we’ll talk!
wv $600 paintings…I thought it was $600 toilets…
13 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:50 am
Send your money to California and support bloated government! By the way, when you send your check, write it out in the 24 different languages spoken in the Golden State.
signed
A former Los Angeles County op/ed journalist
14 simone // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:59 am
You know Newsman I wonder just how much those same government workers worried about the average person having a hard time making ends meet with the unbelievable taxes, costs of insurance, lay-offs, the price of electricity and all. On top of that there is the constant government interference in their lives and the fact that government workers tend to have good pay and great benefits that others can only envy. Sometimes there has to be a gesture made (in this case by the Republicans) that lets people know; “we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take any more!”. Sometimes people can’t really imagine other people’s pain they have to feel it before they understand. If this gives government in California a wake-up call it could be well worth it, although I would be extremely sorry to see people laid off.
It’s time to stop seeing ideas as Republican or Democrat and argue the merits. Our government is supposed to work for us but our government is not working for us, they seem to be working on some kind of power grab and we are down here squabbling about whose ideas are the worst and pointing fingers each other.
15 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 11:12 am
Ms RW #10,
Umm, no money has shown up here at the poor house either…
Don’t worry, be happy. Obama ALWAYS keeps his promises. Let’s sing… “Happy Days are here again, Obama’s made things good again…”
16 RedPepper // Feb 17, 2009 at 11:15 am
California’s out-of-control budget was one of the major issues in the 2003 special recall election in which Schwartzenegger defeated Gray Davis to become governor.
Since then, the budget has grown by forty percent to $144 billion.
This is not a problem that just came up.
17 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 11:18 am
Newsman #11,
And Hawkeye, you don’t have to take the money you know…
Are you kidding? Of course I do. It’s the “Law”. You wouldn’t want me to be a “law-breaker” now, would you?
Besides, my daughter will be paying for that $13 (falling to $8) per week for the rest of her life. I have to invest that money and leave it to her in my will so she can pay it back with interest!
18 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Scrapplers,
Boy, ain’t Conservatives grand!
You just love to tell everybody else what to do. But, nobody can tell you anything!
“You say, I am rich, and have wealth stored up, and I stand in need of nothing; and you do not know that if there is a wretched creature it is *you* — pitiable, poor, blind, naked. Revelation 3:17 ~ Weymouth New Testament
It was the arrogance and ineptitude of your last choice to lead the nation that allowed an attack on our soil. It was his “know it all†attitude that got America bogged down in Iraq. Yet there you all are, “Chickenhawks†all decked out in your breeches, pointing at stuff with your riding crop. Talking about the glory of war.
You have been the proponents of economic policies which have driven our nation to the brink of financial ruin. You have been preaching fiscal restraint while running America to record debt!
Your very self-righteousness, your contempt for the needy, your hatred for those who disagree with you, your strutting refusal to take responsibility for your own bad decisions, and your obstruction of those who are trying to act in ways consistent with the faith you claim, but to which you are unfaithful.
“*You* are the salt of the earth; but if salt has become tasteless, in what way can it regain its saltness? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown away and trodden on by the passers by. Matthew 5:13 ~ Weymouth New Testament
“Accordingly, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, before long I will vomit you out of My mouth.†Revelation 3:16 ~ Weymouth New Testament
It is these things which prove you have lost your way!
Repent now!
ET
19 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:19 pm
“Besides, my daughter will be paying for that $13 (falling to $8) per week for the rest of her life. I have to invest that money and leave it to her in my will so she can pay it back with interest!”
Hawkeye, where, pray tell, will you invest it?
ET
20 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:27 pm
et #19,
Hawkeye, where, pray tell, will you invest it?
Why, 30-year Treasuries of course. I heard that a new batch will be going on to the market soon.
21 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Haweye,
Thanks, I’ll check. But, is the dollar stable?
ET
22 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Hawkeye, your daughter’s daughters will be footing the bill and cursing all of us!! This isn’t going away….inflation is right around the corner and the dhimmies have perfected sticking their fingers in their ears and standing there with eyes closed chanting nyah, nyah, nyah, nayah, nyah, nyah…
What infuriates me is they know none of it will stimulate the economy in any way….it will just weaken it. Take a long look at the stock market since Dumbo took the reigns! They are creating this crisis and they know it!
23 Deerslayer // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:46 pm
So let me get this straight…BHO is flying to Colorado, costing 10s of thousands of dollars, to consume .03 cents of ink, to sign a bill for 787 billion dollars of spending to reward those who voted for this jerk…Common Sense - where are you?
24 Newsman // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:46 pm
And Hawkeye - you can still give that money to someone who is out of a job and really hurting ! You didn’t reply to that suggestion so you are full of bulldung with your complaints about the stimulus money!
You will be dead by the time your daughter can pay you back, so that part is more bulldung !
So RedPepper and Ms RightWing, Ink are a couple of more republicans who don’t seem to give a d-mn about their fellow man and woman in California losing their jobs.
As I said previously you belong to a party that is on its death bed - willing to see the country go down the tubes.
25 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 12:57 pm
et #18,
It was the arrogance and ineptitude of your last choice to lead the nation that allowed an attack on our soil… Nope. I didn’t vote for Clinton before the WTC was attacked in 1993. That is the attack you are referring to, correct?
It was his “know it all†attitude that got America bogged down in Iraq… I wouldn’t call George H.W. Bush a “know it all”, but it was he who got us into Iraq. Dubya just finished the job.
You have been the proponents of economic policies which have driven our nation to the brink of financial ruin… The Democrats were in control when the Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977. And it was again the Dems who were in charge when the CRA was changed, forcing banks to make risky loans.
And it was the Dems who resisted greater regulation of Fannie and Freddie.
But you know all that, don’t you.
26 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 1:02 pm
et #21,
Haweye,
Thanks, I’ll check. But, is the dollar stable?
It is at the moment, but then stuff happens…
27 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 1:04 pm
UNL #22,
“Dumbo”?? I love it!
28 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Newsman #24,
And Hawkeye - you can still give that money to someone who is out of a job and really hurting ! You didn’t reply to that suggestion so you are full of bulldung with your complaints about the stimulus money!
I beg to differ. I responded at #17. And as far as giving money to people who are “really hurting”, well… I have been instructed to say nothing.
29 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Hawkeye, another inconvenient truth these dhimmies choose to ignore is conservatives are far more generous with their charitable contributions (real ones, not the dhimmi ones - taxes) than are the lib Democrats.
…and speaking of carbon footprints….how ’bout that Air Force One footprint?!!
30 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I wanna know when the hope part comes back….as soon as barkey signs it?! Then does everything change back to sunny, hopey, hope?!
When does the Dow start rebounding??!! Come on….
31 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:05 pm
“But you know all that, don’t you.”
Oh’ doggonit Hawkeye!
You missed that part where I say:
“… your strutting refusal to take responsibility for your own bad decisions”.
“Nope. I didn’t vote for Clinton before the WTC was attacked in 1993. That is the attack you are referring to, correct?”
You can thank Bill Clinton for keeping the “Homeland” safe from attack by foreign terrorist” for seven years, in the same way you all say Bush kept us safe! Difference there is the 1993 incident was the first, and he didn’t have a president to warn him like Bush did.
“Dubya just finished the job.”
What? I can’t believe you just said that! We still have 140,000 of America’s finest there! You must be talkin’ about that “Mission Accomplished” sign which seems to be among the two or three things Bush thinks he may have gotten wrong.
“You have been the proponents of economic policies which have driven our nation to the brink of financial ruin… The Democrats were in control when the Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977. And it was again the Dems who were in charge when the CRA was changed, forcing banks to make risky loans.
And it was the Dems who resisted greater regulation of Fannie and Freddie”.
Now, Hawkeye, I just know that you are smarter, and more manly than to weasel like this!
Y’all had more than seven and a half years to fix any of the problems you claim Democrats made. Heck, you had four years of control of the Congress and the Executive Branches, and a Judiciary which had demonstrated a willingness to help the simpleminded.
But, no, instead there was Captain Squint & Smirk laying on the podium, a sayin’ there only phrase he ever learned to say without screwing it up, “The economy is fundamentally sound”. A phrase which was to become a standard in “The Book of Republican Talking Points”.
In fact, Phil Gramm, chief financial adviser to Sen. John McCain even said any recession was all in our heads, and that we were whining!
Then, of course, there was the use of that “The economy is fundamentally sound” mantra by your party standard bearer John McCain.
I just heard a new poll cited on MSMBC about congressional approval AFTER The Stimulus Vote, which said: Republicans DOWN by 2%, and Democrats UP by 26%.
Don’t worry, ignore the polls! What do they know anyway!
ET
32 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Oh look….barkey’s apologist has learned some html stuff!! And we thought you couldn’t teach old dogs new tricks…
33 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm
MSMBC?
I guess that must be MSNBC, I want to get that right, because it is truly a fine news source.
ET
34 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Dumbo lied, (7 times) hope and change died.
35 RedPepper // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:19 pm
upnorth #30: When does the Dow start rebounding?
Guess all us mean-spirited folks out here need to start buying up stocks … with all the money we have left after taxes …
I mean, that’s bound to fix things … right?!
36 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Lurch,
I have be using that html stuff for what must be a couple of years now. Scribefire, don’t you know?
Say hey, to the others guys over at Cobra Kia, for me. I’m still learning the wax on, wax off part. See you at the matches, Twit.
ET
37 RedPepper // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:31 pm
“I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.†~ Barack Obama
Anybody checked the ocean level yet today?
Hawkeye?
38 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:39 pm
“Anybody checked the ocean level yet today?”
You should be able to see a difference almost immediately AFTER the signing today!
ET
39 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 2:46 pm
et #31,
Believe what you want to, but…
No bad decisions were made by me. Clinton had the opportunity to get OBL (and failed). The war in Iraq is over. Al-Qaeda has been pushed out. Violence is WAY down. People there are voting and taking charge of their own future. We are on the way out.
The economic disaster was caused by a bubble in the housing market. The bubble was caused by banks making risky loans. The risky loans were forced onto the banks by Congress. Congress was warned about a looming disaster. Democrats resisted more regulation. Bill Clinton even said he agrees that the Dems bear a large part of the blame.
If you don’t agree, fine. Live in your make-believe world.
40 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:05 pm
My “View” on state budget deficits…
HERE.
41 onlineanalyst // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Fake Obama coins: What does one expect to commemorate a president who is as phony as a $3 bill? Why, this is change that even the gullible cannot believe in!
42 mig // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Irony- Pelosi is credited with writing most of our Generational Theft Act of 2009. It must be her vast experience with budgets, her great understanding of the plus and minus columns. Hey atleast they got Happy Cows. California Dreaming!
43 baragirl // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Oh ,darn , I just threw away my last pair of breeches,how about you UNL? I don’t think I ever had a breech,all mine were natural.
And I can’t even find my riding crop . I’ve got my potato crop in the basement and my bean crop in the fruitjars ,but I have no idea how to preserve a riding crop . I’ll just have to send some of the servants( I don’t pay them just give them a bed and some bread crusts) out to find some,so we’ll have some the next time Democrats get us into a war.
Let’s see WW1 ,WW2 Korea, VietNam. Yep Dems set them all up. Took Republicans to end them.
Then I’ll tell the Servants to go to Skid Row and take up a collection..for ME of course, wouldn’t expect me to give money to poor people ,would you? They wouldn’t know what to do with it anyway.
44 baragirl // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Hey mig, they got Happy Grapes in Caleafornia ,too. Just ask Nancy.
45 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 3:32 pm
RedPepper #37,
Anybody checked the ocean level yet today?… Hawkeye?
Not today, but short-term sea level readings have been going going down since 2005.
wv = framers thinking — we have left them down.
46 boberinyetagain // Feb 17, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Something (a LOT of things) are going down…
wv = coexist somewhere, ah…it is to dream
47 gafisher // Feb 17, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Re#38: “You should be able to see a difference (in sea levels) almost immediately AFTER the signing today!”
You’re right! We’re sinking!
48 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 4:38 pm
“Oh ,darn , I just threw away my last pair of breeches,how about you UNL? I don’t think I ever had a breech,all mine were natural.”
And real BIG too! Made from old sails, I bet!
ET
Breeches (pronounced [ˈbritʃɪz]) are an item of male clothing covering the body from the waist down, with separate coverings for each leg, usually stopping just below the knee, though in some cases reaching to the ankles.The breeches were normally closed and fastened about the leg, along its open seams at varied lengths, and to the knee, by either buttons or by a draw-string , or by one or more straps and buckle or brooches. Formerly the breeching of a young boy, at an age somewhere between six and eight, was a landmark in his childhood.
The spelling britches reflects a common pronunciation, and is often used in casual speech to mean trousers or “pants”. Breeks is a Scots or northern English spelling and pronunciation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeches
49 gafisher // Feb 17, 2009 at 4:40 pm
ola Re#41: It won’t be the last time these people experience buyer’s remorse over an Obama investment.
Change? We can be leavin’!
50 gafisher // Feb 17, 2009 at 4:49 pm
upnorth Re#12: “… those were 20,000 government jobs the way I heard it …”
Depending on how the taxes are figured, it takes about ten to twelve “real” jobs to pay for one “government” job, so all California has to do is get about a quarter of a million people back in private-sector employment and they’d be set.
51 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 4:58 pm
“The economic disaster was caused by a bubble in the housing market. The bubble was caused by banks making risky loans. The risky loans were forced onto the banks by Congress. Congress was warned about a looming disaster. Democrats resisted more regulation. Bill Clinton even said he agrees that the Dems bear a large part of the blame.”
So, Dumbyah supposedly has an MBA, do you think he could have mentioned the problem, along with WMD and Axis of Evil in one of his eight State of the Union Addresses?
How many times did he say, “The economy is fundamentally soundâ€? Why didn’t he at least let somebody know?
That dumb cluck only discovered anything after some calamity, then he would always play his “how could we have known card”.
Why didn’t he let poor old McDuffy in on it?
How come McDuffy misplaced so much trust in the Republican fund raiser lobbyist Phil Gramm who is listed as the number ONE person in Time Magazine’s “25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis”
ET
52 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 5:19 pm
“No bad decisions were made by me. Clinton had the opportunity to get OBL (and failed).”
That was BEFORE 9/11!
Dumbyah DECIDED to let the Pakistanis bring him out after we had him trapped at Tora Bora, instead of using the avenging American Forces who would have brought him out in several pieces. The Pakistanis let him escape.
It was Bush’s call!
Dumbyah let OBL escape AFTER 9/11!!!!!!!!
ET
53 upnorthlurkin // Feb 17, 2009 at 5:29 pm
I’d really, really like to see your proof of that spurious allegation…..heh! Are you privy to DoD documents/briefings?! You may have some value afterall….
I’ve decided these lib wanna be, O-Bots just have to be fakes. Nobody can be that dense! I think it’s Scott playing with us…so much of what they try and say are DU/MO talking points. It’s really quite comical….where’s the hopey-changy love/unifier when you need him?! Oh yeah, jettin’ around the country polluting the atmosphere….
54 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 5:54 pm
The march to war hurt the economy. Laura reminded me a while ago that remember what was on the TV screens — she calls me, ‘George W.’ — ‘George W.’ I call her, ‘First Lady.’ No, anyway — she said, we said, march to war on our TV screen.
-George W. Bush
Bay Shore, NY
03/11/2004
Regarding the ‘March to war’ on our TV screen.
55 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:17 pm
“October 2004: Presidential Candidates Debate Tora Bora Battle; Evidence Supports Kerry’s Position
In the 2004 presidential campaign, Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry accuses the Bush administration of allowing bin Laden to escape Afghanistan in late 2001 by not sending enough US troops to contain him when he was trapped in the Tora Bora region. The New York Times publishes an op-ed by Gen. Tommy Franks, the former head of US Central Command. Franks writes, “On more than one occasion, Senator Kerry has referred to the fight at Tora Bora in Afghanistan during late 2001 as a missed opportunity for America. He claims that our forces had Osama bin Laden cornered and allowed him to escape. How did it happen? According to Mr. Kerry, we ‘outsourced’ the job to Afghan warlords. As commander of the allied forces in the Middle East, I was responsible for the operation at Tora Bora, and I can tell you that the senator’s understanding of events doesn’t square with reality.… We don’t know to this day whether Mr. bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001. Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time; still others suggested he was in Kashmir. Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and al-Qaeda operatives, many of whom were killed or captured, but Mr. bin Laden was never within our grasp.†Franks is a vocal supporter of Bush’s reelection. [New York Times, 10/19/2004] Shortly after Franks’ comments, four Knight Ridder reporters who had been at Tora Bora during the battle revisit the issue. They discover that “Franks and other top officials ignored warnings from their own and allied military and intelligence officers that the combination of precision bombing, special operations forces, and Afghan forces that had driven the Taliban from northern Afghanistan might not work in the heartland of the country’s dominant Pashtun tribe.†[Knight Ridder, 10/30/2004] Author Peter Bergen asserts, “There is plenty of evidence that bin Laden was at Tora Bora, and no evidence indicating that he was anywhere else at the time.†Bergen cites after-action US intelligence reports and interviews with US counterterrorism officials that express confidence bin Laden was at Tora Bora. He notes that bin Laden discussed his presence at the Tora Bora battle in a audio message released in 2003. [PeterBergen (.com), 10/28/2004] In 2005, Gary Berntsen, who was in charge of an on-the-ground CIA team trying to find bin Laden (see September 26, 2001), will claim that he gave Franks definitive evidence that bin Laden was trapped in Tora Bora (see Late October-Early December 2001). [Financial Times, 1/3/2006] In 2006, former counterterrorism “tsar†Richard Clarke will comment, “Yes, we know [bin Laden] absolutely was there.… And yes, he did escape. And Gen. Franks and the president can deny it until the cows come home, but they made a mistake. They did let him go away.†[PBS Frontline, 6/20/2006] In late 2006, it will be reported that the CIA possesses a video showing bin Laden walking out of Afghanistan at the end of the Tora Bora battle. It has not been reported if the CIA was aware of this video in 2004 or not (see Mid-December 2001).
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1004toraboradebate&scale=0#a1004toraboradebate
56 Fred Sinclair // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:36 pm
gafisher #49 & unl #53 -
I’ve just uncovered a secret. In the circus the circus people don’t call suckers, “suckers”. They call them ‘rubes’ which is also circus talk for ‘Country Bumpkins’ (unlearned, persons who will eagerly fall for any old hoax, flim-flam artist who is selling bottles of “snake oil-cures all” out of the back of his wagon).
So today when “He who is the absence of God” signed his “Porkulus” bill in Denver the first word out of his mouth upon lifting his pen from the paper was not - repeat - not “Suckers”. The first word out was “Rubes” (must have been hanging around that circus aka Chicago to pick up on the lingo) “Rubes - the whole bunch of them.”
Well for once, getting away from his running contest to out ‘Slick Willie”, “Slick Willie’. He was speaking the truth. He probably was thinking, “There’s actually Rubes out there that I scammed into believing that this bill will create jobs other than the 600,000 Federal jobs created when I draft the people to serve in my Civilian Security Force”.
57 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm
“Are you privy to DoD documents/briefings?!”
I believe their is a wide gap between your imagination of the validity of such things and reality. Did you ever hear the term “fog of war”?
“I don’t want to report failure, or error on my part; besides, if I did, the old man might not get his next promotion.”
What would you like to hear, sir?
How many examples would you like?
ET
58 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Change that “their” to “there”, will you?
59 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 6:55 pm
“He who is the absence of God†I believe the Lord wants me to tell you to knock it off, old man.
ET
60 R.A.M. // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Like I said last night, Richard Belzer, (a typical lib like et), said on Hannity, “Who cares about the stock market?”
Apparently not libs. The DOW went down 300 points again today because of Obama and his “minions”!
Even if you ‘Obamabot morons’ don’t know much about the “Great Depression”, surely you have heard it was due to the STOCK MARKET crashing-right?
And before one of you brain dead trolls says, “It’s Bush’s fault”, the stock market reflects recent events, such as Prez Dumbo using “our children’s charge card” by signing this moronic stimulus bill.
Libs are so easy, their criminal politicians voting through a bill that NO ONE has read, and then defending it.
I would like to see the small print in newsman or et’s mortgage papers, (if EITHER actually are buying a home).
Better yet, if they are that easy, maybe I can lend them some money under MY conditions, (that they don’t get to read it first).
You have to wonder if ‘Senator’ Burris will be kicked out of Congress first, or will it be Prez ‘Usurper’, now that the Supreme Court HAS to address the case of him not being a citizen since there is now “Standing” and MORE than enough plaintiffs.
The MSM will HAVE to report about it soon. As news man likes to say, “Mark my words!”
WHEN, (not if), it happens, goodby “Stimulus bill”, goodby Cabinet posts, goodby “smirking libs”!
61 R.A.M. // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:30 pm
#59, I bet almost NO ONE believes the LORD talks to you. YOUR lord is OBOOBA et, you have already proven that.
You’re so blind that EVERYONE here, can see you as you are, except for YOU.
You had better repent while you still have time!
I am NOT joking about this!
62 egospeak // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:39 pm
R: 18, 19, 21, 31, 33, 36, 48, 51, 52, 54, 55, 57-59
I’m sorry… did you say something?
Regards,
wv - (78 render) 78 = new tax rate % we will have to render unto Caesar to pay for all this immoral stimulus foolishness.
63 R.A.M. // Feb 17, 2009 at 7:57 pm
egospeak : et’s head is about to explode from having to defend OBOOBA.
Things will only get worse for the lib version of LOKI, when O-boob-a is forced to produce a birth certificate, when there is not one to produce.
Removing him from office will NOT be the end. The end will be when he is put on trial and CONVICTED for trying to destroy America.
64 mindknumbed kid // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:10 pm
re#18 - Conservatives out give liberals by a healthy margin. In fact, most “poor” conservatives such as you find right here give more to charitable causes than many wealthy liberals who hold high level elected offices.
Salt is a preserving agent, if there is anyone that is not doing their part to preserve this society it is liberals. They (liberal clergy) refuse to warn of sin that destroys individuals and societies. Many even are advocates for “lifestyles” that God forbids. How can anything be any more wicked than for a person who is claiming to present God’s message to a people refusing to stand according to His Word? When a person who claims to be as spiritual as you claim to be and then drinks the koolaid of the kill a baby for naught and sodomy is our pride crowds, you are salt that is become of none effect. When the time comes to stand before the Holy One, would a person who steadfastly worked to prevent the shedding of innocent blood fair better or worse than one who has aided and abetted their slaughter? How a man stands on those types of moral issues reveals their heart’s response to their Creator. Obama’s actions indicate that his support for things that God condemned is likely rooted in the fact that he prefers to do evil deeds, more than it shows him as merely choosing taking those stands for political gain and/or popularity.
No doubt about it, we will all have a lot of ’splainin’ to do - albeit there is nothing for anyone to say in their defense. But for me, I do not wish to have any association with abortion laid to my account when my day comes - regardless of the fact that the blood of Christ Jesus cleanses me from all sin. My conscience is clear.
Proverbs 4:23
Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
65 Fred Sinclair // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Today Rush quoted our second president - President John Adams. Amazingly back then, over 200 years ago, John Adams had the ability to peer ahead in time and forecast today’s libbers.
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions which are unbridled by morality and true religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.â€
RUSH: That’s John Adams, one of the founders. Now, of course, people who are unbridled by morality or the immoral, if you will, and the people who are not truly religious, this Constitution – and he’s dead right, I mean he was one of the founders – this Constitution is a restriction to them. I mean it is punitive to them. And he said this Constitution cannot deal with people like that.
The any others, sure enough find our Republic with our Constitution, wholly inadequate for their purposes. Unfortunately (for them) it appears that part of their ignorance involves an inability to read. For the few who actually did learn to read, it involves an inability to comprehend.
For if they could read and comprehend they would learn that there is not one instance in the history of the planet where socialism has ever worked.
Even Republics have a limited lifetime since no Republic (average-about 200 years) ever last longer than it takes the people to learn that they can vote themselves cake and champagne (thank you Robert A. Heinlein) and force the workers to pay for it. At that time they become a socialist state that crumbles and fails since once they stop feeding the mule, the mule stops pulling the wagon.
66 BlackLion31U // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RAM,
Listening to your pastor hannity again? That explains it.
Pat your chest and make sure the round is still there.
67 R.A.M. // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Pat your chest and make sure that rock is still there Ernest T., or have all the “rocks” gone to your head?
I don’t listen to Hannity much, but I believe he is a better Christian than your, (and your daddy et’s), “messiah” OBOOBA.
Now go worship at his “altar”, if you can find room with all the other Obomba-bot bootlickers already there.
68 Fred Sinclair // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:47 pm
R.A.M. #63
What are the chances that Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton laid out about $1M or more and bought Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate and used it to blackmail B.O. for her appointment as Secretary Of State?
Otherwise from his Primaries stand, I wouldn’t have thought he’d appoint her to be “Official Dogcatcher”, let alone take Condi Rice’s place.
69 mindknumbed kid // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Fred, Fred, Fred… “Otherwise from his Primaries stand”… obviously he doesn’t stand on anything he has said, except to help kill more babies.
70 mindknumbed kid // Feb 17, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Look!! I found biblical proof that Christians will have it better under Obama!
Proverbs 15:16 (King James Version)
16Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.
71 mindknumbed kid // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Hill’ry doesn’t need to shell out big bucks for such things, she just found a permanent subject for her Testicle Lock Boxâ„¢.
72 mindknumbed kid // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Rumor has it that since she got done using it on Bill he is now in the hunt for the next No-Balls Piece Prize.
73 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:10 pm
et #52,
What a dolt you are!
Oh, excuse me. Did I really say that? I’m sorry.
I have been a fool! You forced me to it, for I ought to have been commended by you. For I was not at all inferior… -2Corinthians 12:11
74 Hawkeye // Feb 17, 2009 at 9:27 pm
MKK #72,
No-Balls Piece Prize… TOO Funny!
75 R.A.M. // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Hawkeye and MKK: The funny thing about “Bubba” Clinton is, (well, other than having the big, glowing red nose, reminicent of W.C. Fields), he got “dressed down” by Hillary about his “affairs” the other day, and in typical lib fashion, to try to save face, (as if ANY lib can do such a thing without looking quite the FOOL
), he “claims” he would have saved us from the bad economy, that he implies GWB caused!
So much for this goof ball EVER going away!
What a MORON! If he had been President any longer, we would be all dead from the attacks that would have continued AFTER 9/11!
As bad as Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Rangle, and other libs are, the REAL new Three Stooges are Obama, Clinton, and Carter.
Imagine being a lib and having to point to these three as your party’s last three leaders(?). No wonder they are so angry all the time.
76 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Somewhere above Newsboy said I didn’t give a dern (family page ya know) about my fellow man in Cal I forn I A. Well my son, I left the Golden State after paying $750 for my license plates, $800 a year for my car Insurance, $250 a month for condo fees plus my mortgage.
Every time I turned around I was being stripped of my hard earned cash. I worked hard, I traveled hard and made good money which I invested in Montana property. I guess I hated having money because I moved to Ohio and lost my fortune.
My fellow man who remained in California did so by choice. They enjoyed paying several thousand a month for a good apartment. They enjoyed sitting in traffic. They enjoyed paying for illegals by the multi-thousands.
I can’t do squat for them because they choose to live there. Not me. So if they want to fill my coffers here in the Buckeye let them. But I didn’t leave anything back there to go and retrieve.
I had a good time, learned a lot and look back to those days in California, but oh my, they got a mess and Obama isn’t going to cure it.
77 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:18 pm
re:41
onlineanalyst
I had a warehouse full of those commemorative coins but I sold them to a corporation in Kenya who said they wanted to hand them out to friends and relatives of the president.
Phew, almost got stuck with them phony baloney coins.
78 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:27 pm
By the way, where are the peace freaks-Obama is sending 17,000 troops (mostly Marines) to Afghanistan. Where is Cindy Sheehan the Peace Chick?
Burn down Chicago again! Abbey Hoffman, please call home. Peace out.
I guess because WWII ended the depression Obama is going to start, er escalate the war to cure the worse economy since Carter. No Carter had things screwed up like Obama on steroids.
Peace Out once more.
Ahh peanuts!
79 Darthmeister // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I oughta take out a second mortgage on my house, buy a Ferrari and demand the federal government bail me out. It’s the only fair thing to do.
From the good folks at PowerLineBlog:
DEMS WILL BE DEMS
If our curent economic woes continue for, say, two years or if the economy crashes to new depths, a populist backlash is almost inevitable. As I have argued ( here, for example), the conduct of the Democrats since taking power will intensify that backlash, and cement the Democrats’ status as its main target. That conduct includes the selecting for high office of wealthy individuals who did not comply with the tax law; promptly reneging on promises of bipartisanship; and rushing through legislation (before anyone but the lobbyists had a chance to read it) that is laden with pork for Democratic special interests.
Michael Lind senses the danger, and captures it well in this possible epitaph for the Dems: “First they came for the bankers; then they came for the CEOs; then they came for the liberals.” Lind reminds us that the white-collar liberals who dominate the Democratic party are inherently vulnerable to populist resentment, given their “remarkable ability to dress up their own economic interests in the rhetoric of globalization and anti-racism while attacking the motives and assaulting the characters of Americans who are far less wealthy and privileged.” (Obama himself did this in his infamous remark about Americans who cling to guns or religion).
Throw in a depression or prolonged recession on their watch, and there will be hell for the Democrats to pay.
Too bad the average American will literally have to suffer the idiocies of liberal Democrats. Now that Mr. Obama has signed the Special Interest Bailout Bill into law, there’s a better than 50-50 chance that we’ll get to see what “the worst economy since the Great Depression” really looks like. It may even make the Jimmah Carter years look competent.
80 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Conservatives out give liberals by a healthy margin.
How is it you know this?
In fact, most “poor†conservatives such as you find right here give more to charitable causes than many wealthy liberals who hold high level elected offices.
MNK,
Listen guy, I got my Obama Club, the DNC, my contributions to Put Bush and Cheney in Jail Fund, MoveOn.Org, and the Democratic Underground, all this month, I was wondering if you could spare me some change, just until I get my welfare check?
ET
PS Hawkeye, it’s ok. Just forgidaboudit!
81 everthink // Feb 17, 2009 at 10:45 pm
I’ve got mail! I’ve got mail!
Let me share it with you outsiders!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Everthink
Today, I signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law.
This is a historic step — the first of many as we work together to climb out of this crisis — and I want to thank you for your resolve and your support.
You organized thousands of house meetings. You shared your ideas and personal stories. And you informed your friends and neighbors about the need for immediate action. You continue to be a powerful voice for change throughout the country.
The recovery plan will create or save 3.5 million jobs, provide tax cuts for working and middle-class families, and invest in health care and clean energy.
It’s a bold plan to address a huge problem, and it will require my vigilance and yours to make sure it’s done right.
I’ve assigned a team of managers to oversee the implementation of the recovery act. We are committed to making sure no dollar is wasted. But accountability begins with you.
That’s why my administration has created Recovery.gov, a new website where citizens can track every dollar spent and every job created. We’ll invite you and your neighbors to weigh in with comments and questions.
Our progress will also be measured by the tens of thousands of personal stories submitted by people who are struggling to make ends meet. If you haven’t already, you can read stories from families all across the country:
http://my.barackobama.com/yourstories
Your stories are the heart of this recovery plan, and that’s what I’ll focus on every day as President.
With your continued support, we’ll emerge a stronger and more prosperous nation.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
82 Darthmeister // Feb 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Your very self-righteousness [liberals are the most self-righteous, judgmental people on the planet and neverthink is exhibit #1],
your contempt for the needy [and to show their contempt for the needy, liberals first strip them of their dignity and then their self-reliance and make excuses for them and then put them on a welfare plantation for their own good. In most cases that's the real extent of liberal compassion]
your hatred for those who disagree with you [liberals' own hatred is quite apparent. Liberals are the most condescending hateful people I've every run across in my life and once again neverthink is further proof of which I speak],
your strutting refusal to take responsibility for your own bad decisions [nothing like the pot calling the kettle black. Liberals are all about denying responsibility after engaging in personal and social debauchery of the lowest order and then mocking us when we speak of personal culpability and how all rights have a requisite responsibility.],
and your obstruction of those who are trying to act in ways consistent with the faith you claim [liberals are the true fascists who scorn real people of faith, we see it every day when whackademics brow beat students for not parroting their PC code. Liberals are always trying to undermine the values and faith that have been taught to the young people by responsible adults, pooh poohing us as outdated anarchronisms],
but to which you are unfaithful. [liberals are the biggest hypocrites this side of Judas. Liberals talk big about being compassionate, respectful of other opinions different than their own, being non-judgmental and open-minded, not engaging in name-calling, blah, blah, blah. Pure garbage from world-class hypocrites and neverthink proves me right every time he posts his lying filth here.]
83 Darthmeister // Feb 17, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Conservatives out give liberals by a healthy margin. How is it you know this?
Neverthink, your ignorance must be self-imposed. I can’t tell you how many times we’ve documented this fact on this site yet you continue to maintain your ignorance. I guess facts just don’t mean anything to you.
Once again, troll, here’s a link to an article about registered Independent Arthur C. Brooks who was surprised by the results that conservatives on average not only give 30% more of their income we also donate more blood and more of our time to charitable causes. About all you liberals donate is more misery and your BS.
There have been other studies done which came to similar conclusions but being the self-righteous twit that you are you’ll probably run to some left-wing blog sites in hopes that you can find one that will be able to “debunk” (along with a few ad hominem attacks along the way) the study and thus salvage what little dignity you have left.
And I can tell you for a fact that the conservatives I know, including myself, give faaaaaar more of our personal income to church and charitable causes than even the average conservative in Brooks study.
Brooks’ book/study can be ordered here
Dr. Brooks’ bio is here
Which all goes to prove, liberals put form (and self-righteous rhetoric) over real subtance. In general liberals are all show and very little go when it comes to true compassion and charity. They see their taxes as a tithe to government, hence the liberals see the welfare state as proof of their “compassion”.
84 mindknumbed kid // Feb 17, 2009 at 11:59 pm
I don’t recall the amount ALLGore donated back when he was running for President, but I do remember that if I were to have given the same percentage of my income I would have had to cut up a penny.
85 mindknumbed kid // Feb 18, 2009 at 12:03 am
In recent history, didn’t someone do a comparison between Lady Sarah Palin and Joe Biden’s charitable gifts? Didn’t Sarah Palin come out looking very charitable. The thing is we are charitable with our own money, they are only charitable with OPM.
86 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 1:38 am
GET YOURSELF A COPY OF THE ONE THOUSAND PAGE PLUS - PORKULUS BILL AND READ IT - LINE BY LINE- AS I DID. YOU WILL FIND THAT EXEPT FOR B.O,’s 600,000 STORM TROOPERS (Not brown shirts like Hitler but blue shirts - to color coordinate with his logo) THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE - REPEAT ONE SINGLE JOB (other than short term road and bridge building jobs - most of which will not even begin until 2011)THAT WILL BE CREATED BY THIS ABOMINABLE EXCUSE FOR A BILL. TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET (and the vast majority of Americans have no idea of what a trillion is - but to their sorrow - they will learn the hard way) THEY HAVE NO IDEA OF THE MEANING OF POVERTY. THEY SHOULD ASK THEIR GRANDPARENTS ABOUT THE INDESCRIBABLE MISERY THAT FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT GAVE THEM WITH HIS PHONY “GREAT SOCIETY” (and how he had to help CREATE the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japs to finally bring us out of the “Great Depression” by way of World War 2 - having prolonged the “Great Depression” by ay least an additional 7 years with his socialist Agenda)
YOU WON’T HAVE TO ASK GRANDPA AND GRANDMA WHY THEY HATE AND TO THIS DAY SPIT ON THE NAME ROOSEVELT, AND GO TO HIS GRAVE SITE TO URINATE ON IT.
The misery of the poverty of the thirties cannot be put into words - they have to be experienced as those anti-Christian dunderheads who voted for “He Who Is The Absence Of God” will soon begin to learn. So that you too, when you are elderly Grandparents will in like manner visit his grave site to urinate on it to express your total revulsion to him and his Communist (Socialist) ideologies.
87 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 1:47 am
Billionaire Buffett backs Obama for president
Posted Tue May 20, 2008 6:37am AEST
Warren Buffett, the world’s richest man, is backing Barack Obama for US president and thinks current US economic policy will push the dollar lower against other global currencies.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/20/2249609.htm
Buffett donates $37bn to charity
He said he was overjoyed as he spoke for the first time since revealing he would donate about $37bn (£20bn) to Bill Gates’ charitable foundation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5115920.stm
The People rest!!
ET
88 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 1:59 am
“YOU WON’T HAVE TO ASK GRANDPA AND GRANDMA WHY THEY HATE AND TO THIS DAY SPIT ON THE NAME ROOSEVELT, AND GO TO HIS GRAVE SITE TO URINATE ON IT.”
“GO TO HIS GRAVE SITE TO URINATE ON IT.” There’s an ugly image! Your grandpa maybe, but grandma too? That’s disgusting!
Strange people, your grandparents.
THEN, WHY DID “GRANDPA AND GRANDMA” REELECT HIM SO MANY TIMES?
ET
89 onlineanalyst // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:13 am
Hysterical much?
It would be great if et and his best buddies would knock off the Axelrod “astroturfing” and hijacking of threads to indulge in their perpetual Bush grievances.
With the signing of the Generational Theft Bill, Obama and his party enablers OWN the damage that they will impose on this nation, its productive businesses and hardworking, taxpaying citizens.
Here is a timely reminder from a master communicator:
“How can limited government and fiscal restraint be equated with lack of compassion for the poor? How can a tax break that puts a little more money in the weekly paychecks of working people be seen as an attack on the needy? Since when do we in America believe that our society is made up of two diametrically opposed classes—one rich, one poor—both in a permanent state of conflict and neither able to get ahead except at the expense of the other? Since when do we in America accept this alien and discredited theory of social and class warfare? Since when do we in America endorse the politics of envy and division?†–Ronald Reagan
The California budgetary crisis is a foretaste of what is in store for the nation as a whole. An out-of-control welfare class, largely created by sanctuaries for illegals, has strained resources in health, education, and other supportive resources. Exhorbitant taxation and regulation have driven out businesses and, thus, job opportunities. The Greens have ensnarled the courts in costly cases that prevent the use of natural resources. Go over to the HotAir thread about the California crisis, and read some first-hand stories of people who have fled the state and their reasons why, as well as those of its citizens being taxed into poverty.
America is a land of opportunity, not opportunists. Wealth is not a zero sum game, where some must be poor so that others may be rich. Only the lazy and unimaginative fall for that discredited fairy tale. Ask anyone who has fled a socialistic or Communist state.
90 onlineanalyst // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:30 am
You, too, like Henrietta Hughes can request of Obama the Good whatever “meets your needs” by filling in the Personal Economic Stimulator as provided by Reasononline.
http://www.reason.com/stimulus/request.php
Ain’t life grand in Obamaland, soon to thrive like Zimbabwe?
91 Hawkeye // Feb 18, 2009 at 7:07 am
et #87,
One person doesn’t make a trend. If you had read the links Darth provided, then you would have seen that Buffet is atypical for a lib. I wish more libs were “atypical”.
92 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:59 am
Hawkeye,
What Darthweiner is actually saying is that conservatives give more money to their church which is not the same, in my view, as charity per se.
Sadly, on a large scale churches have lost their “First Love” and are more social than spiritual, more financial than charitable, and more vain than loving.
How many churches are involved in a continuous building program? Building great edifices as memorials to their pastors. How many when you ask them of their product can point only to a building?
How many churches have built schools to separate their children from the world and removing their good influence from public schools. How many “Christian Schools” are trying to teach “nonsense science”. Why are their mission fields too often in such distant places? Instead of in the places of need closest to to them.
There is a great deal of money changing going on in the temple. Many pastors regard there churches like insurance agencies, and themselves as “State Farm Agents”.
Proof of their common failure is the smug, self satisfied, holier than thou attitude so often seen among their members and adherents.
If you look down your nose at the dregs of society, from what has The Lord saved you?
In fact Christians are no better than the worst of these. Their sanctification is not in their goodness, but in the mercy shown them, they’re are too often ungrateful, and hypocrites.
Church should not be a place where you go to learn to hate anybody!
I think what Hank, is talking about when he says “Charity”, is the thing he points to and boasts about, as do so many of you.
Do you feed the hungry, clothe the naked, minister to the sick (including those with social diseases), visit those in jail, do you see “sinners” as people like you that you want to help? Will you lower yourself to get down in the dirt and toil with them?
WWJD?
ET
93 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:14 am
What everthink is actually saying is that he hates God, the United States of America and, most of all, the Truth.
94 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:23 am
OLA,
“It would be great if et and his best buddies would knock off the Axelrod “astroturfing†and hijacking of threads to indulge in their perpetual Bush grievances.”
I can see where a wingnut might say that, but after eight years of Bush and Rockhead Republicans having carnal knowledge of me, my family, my friends, and my nation you must recognize my need for catharsis.
Frankly, OLA if my comments cause you discomfort, so much the better. This will just have to do until the Bush/Cheney Right-Wing Junta is tried.
ET
95 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:34 am
Holy Twit!
Well, I guess there’s no way to answer that. Anything I say is only subject to more twisting isn’t it? It either go along or be painted by people like you.
That’s kind of like what people like you did with Christ isn’t it.
After your last breath holding incident, I thought you weren’t talking to me?
ET
96 upnorthlurkin // Feb 18, 2009 at 1:45 pm
So is prez Pinnochio gonna pay my mortgage too or is he only gonna pay (back) those who voted for him?!!
I wonder if he warned the banks they were gonna be made to make more affordable loans before his opened his pie hole this morning. Can you say fascist?!
97 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I don’t know if this link will post. I got it from Letty last night The piece is beautifully done from a Libbers point of view. (what else from PBS?) It details the meltdown on Wall Street last year. 100% of the blame is on the shoulders of CEO’s of Bear Stearns, Leman Bros. etc. Barney Frank has a grand role but unless I missed it (I don’t think so) no mention is ever made placing the blame on the Democrats who forced the Wall Street firms to make the bad loans. If this link doesn’t post as a clickable link, you can try pbs.org Click here: FRONTLINE: inside the meltdown | PBS
98 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 2:20 pm
O.K. It didn’t make it - I tried.
99 R.A.M. // Feb 18, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Let us take a close look at FDR, the libs great man of the past. First, he was an old, man in a wheelchair, (just the type of person et has made fun of here—oh, I forgot, he was a dimocrat, so it’s not funny if he was old and feeble).
Then there is the fact, Eleanor Roosevelt was FDR’s COUSIN, so she didn’t even have to change her name when she married him. Wow, kissing cousins, isn’t this one of the things libs falsely try to defame Conservatives with? Oh, you know, living in a trailer park, eating bologna sandwiches, and marrying our cousins/sisters? Seems libs actually do it!
Lastly, as ANY economist knows, FDR made the “Great Depression” longer by doing the same things OBOOB is trying to reenact.
To be fair to “incest boy FDR”, he was working from scratch, and didn’t KNOW his policies would fail. In contrast, OBOOBA acts as if he actually wants America to fail!
Sounds an awful lot like what a Muslim terrorist wants for America!
With “Hussein” in the drivers seat, we will ALL be living in a trailer park and eating bologna sandwiches soon—IF we are lucky!
PS: Next chapter, the libs next great Prez, JFK. The guy who’s “bootlegger daddy” bought him the Presidency after older brother Joe died in the war. (Joe jr. was supposed to be Prez). JFK then went on to almost causing a nuclear war, because he was too busy with Marilyn Monroe and other Hollywood starlets.
Daddy then bought RFK his Senate seat, and then Teddy’s. He got a real return, (payback), on Teddy! Over 40 years living on the taxpayer “teat”!
100 upnorthlurkin // Feb 18, 2009 at 2:56 pm
From a commenter over at American Spectator:
Obama has proven himself a worthy student of power politics and has stepped into a vacuum of leadership in the USA. Obama staffed his administration with crooks and liars because there is no reason for honest people anymore.
When you tell the public the truth you empower them. When you lie to the public you empower the politically elite.
Under the new rules that have descended you now teach a man to fish so that he can feed others until he figures out he’s a sucker. Then you tell him he must fish or his health care will be affected. The redistribution of fish becomes the standard.
I wish I had said that!!
101 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 3:08 pm
“First, he was an old, man in a wheelchair, (just the type of person et has made fun of here—oh, I forgot, he was a dimocrat, so it’s not funny if he was old and feeble).”
Cheapshot,
I made fun of no one because he was old, or in a wheelchair!
Now, when an old person lays claim to wisdom because of his age. He makes his age an issue related to his wisdom.
In your case age will never be an issue. In you best day, you will never be the mental equal of that old man in a wheelchair.
ET
102 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Lurch,
“I wish I had said that!!”
I bet!
For what it may be worth, you are the equal of the writer in intelligence and honesty, you just come up a tad short in articulation. Keep digging, you’ll get lower.
No, I can’t lie to you, you’ll never be more than a jeering voice in an ugly crowd. Have a look at the goon next to you, he could be that writer.
ET
103 upnorthlurkin // Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Ooo, Pinnochio just said “we all have to learn to live within our means…” Is he going to set the example??!!
104 Newsman // Feb 18, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Sorry Hawkeye, you gotta wait until about May for your lousy $8 a week stimuli to show up. Actually it should be $13 unless you are subcontracting from Brazilian Illegals.
It’s a real boon for your local Pizza Parlor don’t you think ? Unless you prefer the real fancy toppings !
Won’t do much for the street walkers though
105 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 3:31 pm
unl #96 - Yes, I can say fascist. I learned that word (and what it meant) when I was about 5 years old. We didn’t know then about concentration camps or cremation ovens or the millions of Jews that would be murdered. But we learned that Adolph Hitler was a monster who had to be killed (and all of his bemused followers) We had a song (I have it in my i-tunes) “Der Feuher’s Face” by Spike Jones (Hit Parade-1942) us kids loved and learned it mainly because Spike had a lot of Brooklyn Rasberries spaced throughout the song.
But our current usurper has at least one thing where he and Hitler differed. B.O. doesn’t have a moustache!
106 upnorthlurkin // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:04 pm
RAM - of course they want America to fail….they hate liberty and freedom! Look what Affirmative Action has brought us….more like The Peter Principle, I’d say.
I just read where Dumbo in effect lifted the sanctions against Syria under cover of darkness (uh, in his most transparent administration ever)with another EO.
Terrorist regimes make strange bedfellows….
107 R.A.M. // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I guess you, (et), don’t remember saying, It’s sad that the old and infirm don’t have anything better to do all day than sit around and blast Obama. (my paraphrasing) It has NOT been that long ago, and I’m sure someone else remembers it too. Also not the first time you or your boy slammed McCain for “walking funny” like The Penguin in Batman. Did you forget that?
Seems little et is as love struck on FDR as he is on OBOOBA. Too bad he wasn’t around in FDR’s day, since Eleanor looked so much like a man, et may have had a chance with FDR and could have been “First Significant Other”?
Which brings up the question, why are almost all lib women so d@mn UGLY?
Janet Reno, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Mara Liason, Jane Hall, sHillary, Helen Thomas, Whoopie Goldberg, Barbara Walters, “JOY(?)” Bayhar, the list is never ending!
Yet another reason lib men are so angry all the time, they cannot get any Conservative women, (who are almost ALL good looking), to even glance in their direction!
This may be another reason so many libs are gay? Let’s ask an expert—et?
108 boberinyetagain // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Fred…Hitler comparisons already?…really?
I’m impressed
109 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 5:10 pm
“I guess you, (et), don’t remember saying, It’s sad that the old and infirm don’t have anything better to do all day than sit around and blast Obama. (my paraphrasing)”
That doesn’t sound like anything I’d say.
Besides, it sounds like it was written by some kind of backward cretin!
Oh, I’m sorry, you did say it was your paraphrase, didn’t you?
Show me!
ET
110 upnorthlurkin // Feb 18, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Ya know, with your heads buried in the sand (or wherever they’re buried) you leave your you -know-what in a somewhat vulnerable position. Yeah, I’m talking to you commie apologists! Your guy was raised and mentored by the most extreme of them and it’s obvious by his disdain for the actual working class (read, the people who make America work) he absorbed their teachings well.
And if he’s as brilliant as you believe, why, pray tell, does he need a video/audio feed installed in his Present-dential podium?!
111 upnorthlurkin // Feb 18, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Of all people, Putin is warning US against socialism….
wait for it….
because it doesn’t work!!
112 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 6:23 pm
“We didn’t know then about concentration camps or cremation ovens or the millions of Jews that would be murdered. But we learned that Adolph Hitler was a monster who had to be killed.â€
Well Fred, if you didn’t know then about concentration camps or cremation ovens or the millions of Jews that would be murdered.
What made you think Adolph Hitler was a monster who had to be killed?
Was it because he made the Reichstag of null effect? Or was it because he invaded other sovereign nations? Was it because he placed himself above German Law? Was it because he burned “liberal†books. Was it because he arrested and “Renditioned†intellectuals and Communists? Was is because he killed off the queers, or was it because he wouldn’t shake the hand of that “Schwarzer†Jesse Owens?
But, you know who thought he was a swell guy? Charles Lindbergh, that’s who! And you know who else sorta liked him Henry Ford, and everybody knows what he thought of labor unions, “collectivism†and “socialism”. (Contrary to half-wit Hank’s stupid take about National Socialism being left wing) .
And guess who else?
George Bush’s grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush! In fact Prescott Bush’s business dealings, which continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave laborers at Auschwitz.
What could it be that made you think he was a monster? Why, Fred he sounds like your kind of guy, in fact, he sound real Conservative to me!
ET
113 BlackLion31U // Feb 18, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Can you say “SLAM”?
Hey RAM, check your pocket.
114 mindknumbed kid // Feb 18, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I guess that if a local church congregation lacks the facilities to minister to certain less fortunate people of their community it is immoral for them to raise private funds to build them. I guess that if they build facilities where they can worship God, encourage one another, pray, etc., that too is immoral. So if you follow that line of thought, anyone living in a better shelter than Obama’s half brother is also living an immoral life. The nice thing about being a critic of all things Christian is that you don’t have to do anything yourself. Your duty is to point out the evil of the “good”. If I understand things correctly, 99.99% of all Christian institutions are either abject failures or pure evil. Pity he hasn’t spent his time on this earth building and perfecting a suitable ministry to do the things that everyone else is failing to do. I guess that since no one here can be perfect then everyone should accept themselves as absolute flawed failures and not even attempt to do anything for God. God will judge our works indeed, but I’m willing to wager that in his judgement there will also be praise for what has been done well. It’s like the person who is looking for the perfect church, if he finds one and joins it - it is no longer a perfect church.
The logic that I’m struggling to understand is how he laments the failures of Christianity and somehow it is justification to wholeheartedly get behind a leader and a movement that is anti-God to the core. I admit that I need a little help with that one. Unless he is using Alinsky type tactics…
115 Newsman // Feb 18, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Just got a call from a friend of mine in the Treasury Department ! He said that two humungus tractor trailer trucks, one from GM and one from Chrysler just came up out of their underground garage and appeared to be heading northwesterly. Then he noticed that there are two guys coming in the front door, one named Madoff followed by a slick looking dude from Texas, friend of George’s I believe.
There is not going to be any stimulus money left and Obama is going on TV at 3:30AM tomorrow morning with an important message while the Marine helicopter sits on the South Lawn with the engines running.
116 egospeak // Feb 18, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Re: 92
Man… if your church is that bad why don’t you find another one?
I’m pretty confident that there is an Evangelical Presbyterian congregation somewhere near you that would be willing to take you in.
Regards,
117 onlineanalyst // Feb 18, 2009 at 8:23 pm
boberinyetagain // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Fred…Hitler comparisons already?…really?
I’m impressed
Nah, I’d say Chavez or Mussolini at this point, although that “green” car that the Dems want to impose on the serfs does look a lot like a Hitlerian Volkswagen.
The cult of personality and the audacity of audacity just keeps rolling along.
118 baragirl // Feb 18, 2009 at 8:23 pm
UNL#53″ “Are you privy to DoD documents/briefings?!
et left his breeches in the privy with the DOD docs/briefs. Could he really be Sandy Burgler?
I’m nearly fainting here ,I’m so impressed, IT knows about “wikipedia”!!!! Big whoops!!
See little fella when you come on here with folks who are superior to you ,you actually learn things.
119 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Angus the Scot just sent this to me and it’s too good not to pass on.
The Coat Hanger. .
A woman was at work when she received a phone call that her small daughter was very sick with a fever. She left her work and stopped by the pharmacy to get some medication. She got back to her car and found that she had locked her keys in the car. She didn’t know What to do, so she called home and told the baby sitter what had happened.
The baby sitter told her that the fever was getting worse. She said, “You might find a coat hanger and use that to open the door.”
The woman looked around and found an old rusty coat hanger that had been left on the ground, possibly by someone else who at some time had locked their keys in their car. She looked at the hanger and said, “I don’t know how to use this.” She bowed her head and asked God to send her
help.
Within five minutes a beat up old motorcycle pulled up, with a dirty, greasy, bearded man who was wearing an old biker skull rag on his head.
The woman thought, “This is what you sent to help me?” But, she was desperate, so she was also very thankful.
The man got off of his cycle and asked if he could help.
She said, “Yes, my daughter is very sick. I stopped to
get her some medication and I locked my keys in my car. I must get home to her. Please, can you use this hanger to unlock my car?
He said, “Sure.” He walked over to the car, and
in less than a minute the car was opened.
She hugged the man and through her tears she said,
“Thank You So Much! You are a very nice man.” The man replied, “Lady, I am not a nice man. I just got out of prison today. I was in prison for car theft and have only been out for about an hour.”
The woman hugged the man again and with sobbing tears cried out loud, “Oh, Thank you God! You even sent me a Professional!”
Is - GOD GOOD - or what!?
120 Newsman // Feb 18, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Everthink….these guys all go to The Church Of Whats To Be Hated Now. I never saw so many alleged Christians with the hatred towards their enemies these guys spew daily ! [Enemies being defined as those who don't agree with their narrow Christian Right Conservative Views] I always thought we were suppossed to be living in a country where everybody had a god-given right to their own view. Not so in Scrappledom’s Christian World ! They would all love to nail us on their beloved black cross of hatredom. Love and acceptance of their fellow man is just totally foreign to them ! When I was a kid and went to church they taught love, acceptance and forgiveness. I don’t know where these guys found the God they alleged exists. He is totally foreign to me ! Just wait till you see the stuff they will write in response to this !
121 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:13 pm
A snail began climbing up the trunk of an apple tree. About a couple or three inches up a worm stuck his head out from behind a piece of bark and asked “Where do you think you’re going?”
The snail answered, “I’m going to get me an apple.”
The worm replied, “You idiot, there’s no apples up there now!”
To which the snail responded, “There will be by the time I get there.”
____________________________________________
Q. What did the snail say when he hitch-hiked a ride on the turtle?
A. Wheeeeeeee!
(like here on ScrappleFace - it’s all a matter of perspective.)
____________________________________________
Newsman #120 I don’t know who you are. The moniker “Newsman” is unfamiliar to me and I found myself reading your post before it became evident as to what you are.
I don’t know where you get your ‘information’ or why you would want to bother posting on a Conservative Christian blog.
But for your edification no Christian here “hates” anyone. That’s not even an intelligent comment.
Our “Christian Right Conservative Views” are simply taken straight from God’s Word - aka the Bible.
We don’t hate people - Christ died for the people of this world. However while loving people, God does hate some things - actions, not people.
I don’t hate anyone - not even Barak Obama; I just hate everything he says and everything he does, as he attempts to convert America to worship in his religion of Socialism.
The things God says He hates are the same things we here at ScrappleFace say we hate.
Prov. 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Prov. 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Prov. 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Prov. 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Now I don’t know about the innocent blood part but without that Barak is batting six for seven. We are instructed to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us. But nowhere does it say we have to like them.
122 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm
egospeak
Re: 116
“Man… if your church is that bad why don’t you find another one?”
Now, that’s witty and very pointed! It keeps making me grin, but I wasn’t talking about my church, I was talking about (yours and) theirs.
EGOSPEAK, what do you think of Joel Hunter, pastor of Northland, a Church Distributed?
http://freedomswings.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/joel-hunter-to-give-dnc-benediction/
You may remember he did the benediction at the Democratic National Convention in Denver.
ET
123 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Newsman,
I think most here are Aryan Nations Church folks, many are mainliners, but with a twisted understanding and a few are Satanists.
But, Hawkeye has just fallen in with a bad crowd, and my new friend Egospeak is smarter than the whole of the bunch. I think he/she maybe just having fun with us all.
Newsman, join with me in a prayer to deliver this Hateful Sanhedrin from their evil ways, that they may leave their bat filled temple and come into the light.
Did you bring the Holy Water?
ET
124 baragirl // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I was watching a video of the demonstration while 0bama signed the trough. The had the cutest darned pig there. I’ve decided for my bailout ,I want baby pigs, instead of money. Then I can raise them ,breed them and in a few years ,I’ll be as loaded with pork as the Democrats are.We can tell them to go to helk ,and you guys can come to me for your pork. I won’t make you give me your first born child ,either ,I promise.
125 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:11 pm
“But for your edification no Christian here “hates†anyone. That’s not even an intelligent comment.”
What’s this: “GO TO HIS GRAVE SITE TO URINATE ON ITâ€?
And this: “He who is the absence of God�
Don’t make start a list!
Try, if you will, to adopt my philosophy: “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all!”
ET
126 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Change: “Don’t make start a list! To: Don’t make me start a list!
127 Fred Sinclair // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:16 pm
There seems to be a feeling that all of the rest of the world hates America. That simply isn’t true. The vast majority is madly in love with all of our new President and his gang of thugs. Socialism and Communism have become like a cancer, so deeply imbedded in the thinking of “The World” that they want everyone to be as miserable as themselves.
Osama Ben Laden, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and President Ahmadinejad of Iran couldn’t think more highly of our leading Liberals.
Their hatred is (like Jesus said it would be) singularly directed toward the followers of America’s concept of freedom. Our Constitution is based on the Judeo-Christian ethics and in their liberalism, they can’t stand it! The American Conservative is the object of their hatred. “As the world has hated me, so it will hate you.” Jesus said.
It’s no accident that the vast majority of true Conservatives are Christians and the liberals aren’t. It was foretold with inerrant accuracy. A goodly number of them (and around the world) would rejoice, celebrate and throw parties to learn that Former Pres. Bush, Former VP Dick Cheney, Rush, Ann, Dr. Dobson, etc. had been murdered in their sleep, or hung, poisoned or whatever.
I think the two current parties should be renamed. The Liberal Party and the Conservative Party - that would take care of our RINO’s.
128 mindknumbed kid // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:17 pm
et just plays the part of a Christian here because his buddy instructed him to do so. He is the epitome of Proverbs 6:19
129 everthink // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:38 pm
MNK,
“But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.” Acts 11:9 KJV
ET
130 R.A.M. // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Maybe we should call OBOOBA, “The Chameleon”? He went from candidate Obama spouting “Hope” if we would elect him, to NOW Prez Obama with his constant cries of, “There is no Hope, only a ‘crisis’!” He is like et. Say something, then when called on it says, “show me”. Pitiful excuse for a human being.
OBOOBA is as much a liar as ALL libs! Where is the “change” blowhard?
That is a funny story about all the morons buying the “Obama coin” that is a sticker on a quarter and a half dollar. “A fool and his money—” Now that the seller of the faux coin have been found out, and sales will drop, will they apply and be awarded a “bailout”?
I wonder why they haven’t been selling an “Obama tire inflation checker”, complete with his big head and ears on the part that contacts the valve stem?
With his hot air, it would inflate instantly!
What was the conversation with “Gramps” about tonight around the hillbilly seance table et/bl? Ask him if he has been watching the stock market tank since your “faux messiah” has ascended to the “White Crib”.
PS: The Pope and “San Fran ‘Nan’”, seem to have very different accounts of what transpired in their meeting. Silly me, I think I will have to believe the Pope who, (KNOWING that Pelosi is a protector of “baby murderers”), gave her quite the dressing down that she so richly deserves!
He also, (for the first time I know of), did NOT allow pictures to be taken. I am SURE this is so the immoral twit could not use it as a “photo op”!
Isn’t it great when libs are shown for the morons they really are?
Here’s to you “San Fran Nan”— new CONSERVATIVE leadership for ALL of Congress in 2010 :lol:!
131 R.A.M. // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:50 pm
MKK: et thinks quoting the Bible makes him look like a Christian. The sad fact is, it makes him look quite the fool when he breaks MORE of GOD’s rules than ANYONE here!
I am no angel, but I am not CONSTANTLY caught in lie after lie, or defending an IMMORAL person like Obama, as he does. (Oh my, here we go with “Bush this, blah blah, Bush that blah blah”, again! lol)
The bottom line is, Satan knows the Scriptures, and believes in GOD too, and that doesn’t make him a Christian anymore than et, his boy blackwussy/Ernest T. Bass, or the dead Grandpa they seek daily advise from either!
I still want to know, who will be kicked out of office first, Roland Burris, Rahm Emanuel, or the “Usurper” Hussein Obama?
Place your bets.
132 R.A.M. // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Matthew 7:23 is the FIRST and last thing et will probably hear from GOD on Judgement Day.
GOD will NOT be mocked et.
I would advise dropping to your knees and worshipping HIM, and put away your false messiah “Barry” Hussein Obama.
133 Fred Sinclair // Feb 19, 2009 at 3:20 am
CORRECTION to my #121 post. I wrote, “Now I don’t know about the innocent blood part but without that Barak is batting six for seven.”
Make that seven for seven! Dumb old dunderhead me. How could I have so completely screwed up?
Prov. 6:17 “….. and hands that shed innocent blood,…”
With the usurper’s avid support and promotion of killing as yet to be born children, how innocent they are! The world’s most innocent people and therefore although the usurper didn’t personally commit the murders I believe his role is defined as “Aiding and abetting” the murders.
Matt. 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
From the dictionary: abet |əˈbet|
verb ( abetted , abetting ) [ trans. ]
encourage or assist (someone) to do something wrong, in particular, to commit a crime or other offense : he was not guilty of murder but was guilty of aiding and abetting others.
• encourage or assist someone to commit (a crime).
Yup, that’s the usurper all right. As one of satan’s earthly minions (agents) he’ll have all of eternity in the pit to contemplate how he chose to serve the wrong master.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
134 egospeak // Feb 19, 2009 at 7:41 am
RE: 122
Can’t say that I am familar with Joel Hunter and unfortunately I have to head out to work shortly, so I won’t be able to research him until tonight. I will reply later, on this thread if it last long enough or the next, whichever comes first.
Regards,
wv - (rinds exclusively) Even recaptcha is loaded up with pork now???
135 Darthmeister // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:13 am
BLACK ATTORNEY GENERAL: USA ‘nation of cowards’ on race…
He says America is a nation of cowards because we don’t talk or debate about race enough … and I agree 100%. Who are the real cowards? Liberals! The real truth is every time we conservatives and libertarians try to have a rational debate on the issue of race, the liberals are always playing the race card by labeling those who dare challenge their intellectually bankrupt PC ideology as “racists” and “bigots” … end of “debate”.
You see, whenever liberals can’t win a debate because their first line of bumpersticker slogans are knocked down, they invariably resort to ad hominem attacks and stereotyping the opposition (which they claim they personally abhor though they certainly aren’t above engaging in the practice themselves) by labeling us those who disagree with them as racists/homophobes/sexists/bigots blah, blah, blah.
Look to liberals casting conservatives and libertarians as bigotted and racist cowards in light of the Attorney General’s comments.
136 boberinyetagain // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:38 am
Sadly there would appear to be no way of “winning” this economic debate unless you were already so well off that a loss 1/2 or more of your money was no big deal and that applies to very few liberals. I wonder why that is
137 Darthmeister // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:46 am
Hateful Sanhedrin
Buwahahahaha. The Sanhedrin were about as liberal a Jew could get in those days. They despised the common folk and embraced intellectual elitism … just like liberals today. The Sanhedrin were the arrogant judges of Israel who, according to more than one Jewish scholar such as Rabin Mishnah and Rabbi Roth, “’sages’ who were unintentional liberals. Their conscious intent was to elucidate Torah according to the tradition passed on to them and by them “ever since Sinai”. It is what motivated the direction that their elucidations took that indicates their liberality of outlook. I believe that they had an awareness that they were changing the Written Torah beyond all recognition, but that they believed that this was the true intent of the text in the first place. They did not feel that they were interpolating their own views into Torah; they felt that they were extrapolating from the Torah what was there all the time.”
Just like modern liberals and the New Testament/Bible, I’d say. The spirit of the Sanhedrin is almost perfectly mirrored by the oxymoronic movement today we know as liberal “Christian” humanism - that is, “liberal evangelicals, smorgasbord Protestants and cafeteria Catholic” who have spent enormous energy “reinterpreting Scripture for out time”. It is these people who mock and excoriate conservative Christians who most faithfully represent the founding ideals of this country and who have remain the most faithful to the original texts of Holy Writ as passed down to us by our “racist, bigoted, sexist, Bible thumping” Christian forebearers. If Jesus were alive today and preaching the Gospel of Repentance, it would be the “liberal Christians” and liberals in general who would be gnashing their teeth and calling Jesus a sexist/racist/homophobic bigot who needs to shut up and simply accept people the way they are and quit talking about God so much.
Rather ironic how liberal trolls will twist reality to their own eventual destruction, eh? Another demonstration of neverthink’s self-righteousness. Say neverthink, are you a sinner and hypocrite or have you evolved above all that?
138 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:49 am
RE: #122~~
Citing the personal (non-Biblical) opinion of some unknown blogger denigrating the outreach of a Christian ministry only demonstrates, yet again, total ignorance of Scripture as evidenced by the somewhat comedic idea that Hunter prayed with satan (BHO).
Northland Church’s Statement of Faith is Biblical and contradicts the bigoted opinions of the aforementioned blogger.
139 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 19, 2009 at 9:01 am
NYT recognizes “the once efficient” (don’t ask me where they got that idea) BHO’s cluelessness and ineptitude.
140 boberinyetagain // Feb 19, 2009 at 9:24 am
Some if us suspected going in that this mess might take at least 6 weeks to straighten out. We even thought it might take a tad longer. But I agree, this is getting old. Obama should have had us drinking milk and honey by now, the lazy lout. Off with his head I say
141 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:15 am
From a book called: Disorder in the American Courts
ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.
It is my guess that the attorney in this story was wearing a Bush/Cheney/04 lapel pin.
ET
142 Newsman // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:37 am
“But for your edification no Christian here “hates” anyone. That’s not even an intelligent comment.”
Could not prove that by the comments made here against those with whom they disagree !
Good christians all ??? One would think jihadists were posting here !
I can recall Scott saying when Obama was elected that he is our elected President and let’s respect that fact, or words to that effect. Nobody that posts on here has paid any attention to his call ! You don’t have to agree with Obama but at least use some respectful language for the person who occupies that office. All anybody seems to do here is call him nasty names !
143 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:42 am
“Say neverthink, are you a sinner and hypocrite or have you evolved above all that?”
Darth, I am most certainly am a sinner!
The difference between us is that I know it, and I confess my redemption is by unmerited favor …The Grace of God.
If, I confess this to you now, how then am I a hypocrite?
ET
144 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“comedic idea that Hunter prayed with satan (BHO).”
Jimmy,
Do you own a “Devil Box”, or a television set?
If you had watched the last night of the Democratic Convention you would have seen Dr. Joel Hunter offering the benediction.
Having sat down with him, I can tell you that while he is of short stature, maybe 5′5″ or 5′6″, unlike you, he is a giant of a man!
He has stood his ground, at great cost, against the likes of little people like you here.
Jimmy, go find him! Take notes! You will grow!
ET
PS
He said as a boy he always wanted to play in the NBA, but God must have had other plans for him.
145 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RE: #144~~
YOUR source claimed that BHO is satan, not me.
I said nothing negative about Hunter-YOU did.
146 gafisher // Feb 19, 2009 at 1:07 pm
JL3 Re#139: There have been several articles lately contrasting Obama’s usually impressive campaign performances with his ineptitude since assuming the Office (which, as Newsman points out, we should still respect). Apparently real life can’t be scripted into a TelePrompTer.
147 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Newsman,
My dear compatriot, your heart is good, your intentions couldn’t be better; but if you think you are going to accomplish anything like getting these people to sit down at the table of brotherhood, and act politely you are in for heartbreak!
This is a lynch mob on a picnic! On the mildest of days, it has always been at least a food fight!
But, when they are fully rested, they just do what lynch mobs do! You are trying to destroy their way of life!
Yours for truth, justice and the American way!
ET
148 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 1:24 pm
gafisher,
Re: 146
Tinnie, thin, shallow, lacking in worth, envious, and jealous.
Most real Americans a very proud of the performance of their president.
They are grateful to have a man of such vision and competence to replace the one of such blindness and incompetence.
He has accomplish more good in weeks than Bush accomplished in ….wait a minute! Bush accomplish no good at all; only destruction!
ET
Thou wilt fall backward when thou hast more wit.
-Taken from: Romeo and Juliet
149 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 1:36 pm
“I said nothing negative about Hunter–YOU did.”
“I” did not! The “site”, not “my source” did!
Initially, I offered no opinion.
Critical thinking skills! Critical thinking skills!
Get some! Get some!
ET
150 BlackLion31U // Feb 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Hey RAM,
I’LL BET YOU CAN’T POST A COMMENT OF AT LEAST FORTY WORDS WITHOUT “ALL-CAPPING” ONE WORD.
P.S. You probably should be thankful that I was ET’s offspring instead of yours, cause I’m sure that by the time I reached 17 I would have been so embarrassed of you that I would have had to take you out behind the barn for one of them good old fashion arse whoopins.
Check your pocket!
151 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Yeah, RAM!
“A weasel hath not such a deal of spleen as you are toss’d with.”
-Taken from: Henry IV, part I
ET
152 R.A.M. // Feb 19, 2009 at 5:36 pm
The problem with MOST, (yes more caps), libs, (as evidenced by you and daddy is, you never had a good old fashion arse whoopin, and apparently your time in the military, (if, indeed you did serve and got an HONORABLE discharge), taught you nothing, nor made you grow into a man.
bobblehead said:
“Sadly there would appear to be no way of “winning” this economic debate unless you were already so well off that a loss 1/2 or more of your money was no big deal and that applies to very few liberals. I wonder why that is ”
Are you doing drugs? I get about $24,000 a year on my retirement, and I do just fine. Of course I rely on GOD for my needs. You libs should try it. HE has given me the wisdon to save for things and not impulse buy and go into even more debt, like your messiah “O”. I am also thankful for what I have, and not looking for a “free ride”, or handout” as most libs are!
AND Yes, I give the FIRST 15% of my income to Christian causes, such as Bibles for people who want them and can’t get one, helping stop abortion on demand, and to help stop REAL civil liberty violations like algore telling children to ignore their parents and listen to libs, taking GOD out of EVERYTHING including the new D.C. visitors center which even TRIED to change the National motto from “In GOD We Trust”, to “E. Pluribus Unum”. And don’t forget teachers like the one who asked who the kids parents were voting for, and then embarressed them in front of the class. If a Conservative teacher had done that, you libs would have gone nuts, (sorry, too late for that, change it to EVEN NUTTIER)!
You godless libs will try anything, and then still claim to be a Christian! Pitiful!
PS: You look as much a fool as the rest of the lying libs here when you say something as stupid as, “-unless you were already so well off that a loss (of) 1/2 or more of your money was no big deal and that applies to very few liberals.”
So there are no rich people in “Hollyweird”, or the”Rap” industry, or on T.V., or Democrat politicians? If MOST people here didn’t know before what a nut you are they do now.
Listen up lib boys, just because you think OBOOBA can say ANY FOOLISH THING and get away with it, (when you do it here), it just makes your side look pretty stupid.
WE laugh in your general direction.
Ernest T., your sweet Charlene has been coming by to see me. She says she has found herself a real man now. Jody’s got your girl and gone.
153 onlineanalyst // Feb 19, 2009 at 5:57 pm
The audacity of audicity: Present-dent Demagogue has been handing out goodies to the fiscally irresponsible and his partisan special-interest groups faster than the US government can print the money. We may have to drill offshore just to keep the printing presses lubricated.
Air Force One has been leaving a huge carbon footprint for Ackbar’s perpetual campaign.
In other news: L’il Kim must not be too impressed with Hillary’s smart power.
I’m game to begin a dialogue with Eric Holder. Perhaps we can begine by discussing his problems with ethics and the law.
154 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 6:52 pm
E Pluribus Unum, Latin for “Out of Many, One,” is a motto requested by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere (originally Pierre-Eugène Ducimetière) and found in 1776 on the Seal of the United States, along with Annuit cœptis and Novus ordo seclorum, and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782.
Never codified by law, E pluribus unum was considered a de facto motto of the United States until 1956 when the United States Congress passed an act (H.J. Resolution 396), adopting In God We Trust as the official motto.
In God We Trust is the official national motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.
But, Dwight David never envisioned that one day there would be a group of Right-Wingnuts who would appropriate it to impose their religious views on Americans in a Taliban-like fashion.
Is a nonbeliever less an American?
“AND Yes, I give the FIRST 15% of my income to Christian causes, …”
RAM, you have just lost your reward!
“But when you do alms, let not your left hand know what your right hand does:” Matthew 6:3 KJV
ET
155 Darthmeister // Feb 19, 2009 at 6:53 pm
If government - and by that I mean the Obama Administration and the Pelosi/Reid cabal - is going to selective help those mortgage holders who have acted irresponsibly by buying homes they knew they really couldn’t afford or who used sub-prime mortgages to buy a home that would have been beyond their means or to flip houses to their financial benefit, then it becomes a moral imperative that all homeowning taxpayers should engage in our version of the Boston Tea Party and simply quit paying on our mortgages to send a message to Washington you can’t selectively help deadbeats and those financially irresponsible while leaving the more responsible citizenry at a financial disadvantage. Either pay off all our mortgages with a “homeowners bailout” or force the mortgage industry to renegotiate all our mortgages at a lower rate or do it for no one. The latter is preferable. It’s only fair.
IT’S HERE: INFLATION TAKES BIGGEST JUMP IN 6 MONTHS…
Thank you Mr. Obama, Ms. Pelosi, and Mr. Reid. And it will only get worse with the “bailout”. How fast can the Treasury Departments’ printing presses print money?
High School Kids Question Obama During Speech: ‘I just don’t believe all the things he’s telling us’…
Well, it certainly proves they’re smarter than the average leftard.
AP: Democrats self-destructing over ethics…
Naaaaw … really? Imagine that. I guess they’re the new epicenter of the “culture of corruption”, eh?
DEEP BREATH: Obama Expected to Regulate Carbon Dioxide?
Well, I guess I have to admit I was wrong on this one. I thought the DimDonks were going to tax the oxygen we breath but now it looks like there’s a possibility they might tax the carbon dioxide we exhale!
Oklahoma Police Stops Car Because of Anti-Obama Sign
See, it’s started already. I never heard of any moonbat driver being stopped for their anti-Bush or even their assassinate Bush bumperstickers - you know, the one with crosshairs centered on Bush’s face. FASCIST PIGS!
156 Darthmeister // Feb 19, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Sigh … that’s “selectively help those …”
157 mindknumbed kid // Feb 19, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Here is a story about another one of e trolls good giving generous lib-buddies good deeds.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090219/ap_on_bi_ge/stanford_sec
158 mindknumbed kid // Feb 19, 2009 at 7:58 pm
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=28&version=9
Although the passage is written to the Nation of Israel and not written to America, Great Britain, or other nations of this earth, the principles and truths apply to everyone. We are called to be salt and light to everyone we can in this life. Attempting to maintain laws based on the morality of God is not forcing our beliefs on our fellow citizens. God has the same standards for all men, and requires of every man the same things. Stressing the need for obedience to God’s Word is not legalism, and no one here is attempting to force anyone to convert to their system of beliefs. Shall we hold our peace and sit idly by as our fellow citizens take the path of destruction?
Alinsky would be pleased with the way you have played the Christian to dishearten your enemies, but you cannot achieve your goals here. So why not spend your time doing the good that you criticize every Christian work for not doing? If you were as holy as you claim, you wouldn’t have time to waste on us.
159 mindknumbed kid // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:01 pm
So many who employ destructive attacks, so few who bother to edify.
160 mindknumbed kid // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:20 pm
or attempt to edify…
161 R.A.M. // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Did you catch Vice Moron Biden swearing in Leon Pinetta today? Brain dead Biden makes fun of Chief Justice John Roberts for a mistake he made during swearing in Obama, now in less than a month, this fool has done the same thing TWICE!
Today he called Pinetta, Pimyeta or some such nonsense. I don’t have the exact name he called him because the MSM has already buried the story!
Yet another example of the non-bias of the Left Stream Media.
BTW, doesn’t Biden’s making fun of others mistakes and then making a fool of himself with his NUMEROUS mistakes sound exactly like a certain troll who makes light of others spelling errors, then makes more that a few of his own on EACH and EVERY thread?
I don’t believe he/it speaks for GOD either.
MY GOD has rewarded me just fine, and without any help from et’s god which is the government and/or O-boob-a.
162 baragirl // Feb 19, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Wow! It has set a new record. he has 1 posted comment out of every 4,or 40 out of 160. Scott Ott should make It pay half the bills. I didn’t bother counting his pseudo names for his split personality.
Yawn
163 egospeak // Feb 19, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Re: 122
Having gone to the link you provided and another one from the comment section of that blog, I still can’t say that I have an informed opinion of Pastor Hunter. I would say, however, that whenever the world (system)seems to love a professed evangelical christian, warning bells go off in my head. Please understand me… I am not necessarily saying that as a criticism of Pastor Hunter, I am merely reflecting on the fact that of the rock solid bible teachers that I am familar with, few if any, would win a popularity contest. Most are despised (by the world) because of the condemnation (perhaps not the best word, or the word I’m looking for) that their preaching raises in unbeliever’s hearts as their consciences are pricked.
His benediction was innocuous enough though mildly political, unsurprisingly, since it was given at a political convention. I was appalled, however, at the way he ended his prayer. His attempt at inclusion at the expense of the truth will do nothing except to cause people to question whether he truly is an evangelical and seemed to be little more than a nod to political correctness. You often ask WWJD? I would ask, WWJT (Think)? I don’t think HE would have been pleased.
Just my opinion.
Regards,
ps - The week after the election the pastor of my church prayed for the President elect. He prayed that when Obama took the reins of power, that his decisions would be consistent with God’s will and that if/when they weren’t, that God would gently override them. That is my prayer also.
164 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Well Big Breeches,
It so happens, I’m very popular here! I was taught that it is rude not to answer when someone addresses me.
Look, I’m even answering you, but, as I have told you so often, we can be friends, but nothing more!
I know you think I’m cute, but please quit hitting on me! I just don’t even care if you are the hall monitor!
Now, buzz off!
ET
165 mindknumbed kid // Feb 19, 2009 at 10:40 pm
it’s pride thrives on its attention.
Psalm 59:12
For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak.
Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Proverbs 13:10
Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
And finally…
Mark 7:21-23 (King James Version)
21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
166 mindknumbed kid // Feb 19, 2009 at 10:50 pm
More on it’s pride:
Psalm 31:18
Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.
Psalm 101:5
Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer.
Psalm 119:78
Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts.
Look, there is that verse again -
Proverbs 6:17
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Proverbs 21:4
An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.
Proverbs 28:25
He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.
And finally:
1 Timothy 6:4
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
167 Newsman // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:04 pm
How does God and all this Bible speaking in tongues relate to politics and satire ??
More related to satire then anything else.
See you Bible thumpers on Judgement Day. BTW, any of you have any idea at all when that will be coming along? Just curious.
Cya round the pews !
168 Darthmeister // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:06 pm
AP - Democrats strike different tone on Katrina
The economic stimulus signed by President Barack Obama will spread billions of dollars across the country to spruce up aging roads and bridges. But there’s not a dime specifically dedicated to fixing leftover damage from Hurricane Katrina.
And there’s no outrage about it.
Democrats who routinely criticized President George W. Bush for not sending more money to the Gulf Coast appear to be giving Obama the benefit of the doubt …
You know it must be bad if AP bothers to note something negative about a Donk leader. Democrats appear to be giving Obama the benefit of the doubt? They ARE giving him the benefit of the doubt. Same ol’ double standards.
BTW, Obama and FEMA continue to fumble the ice storm aftermath in Kentucky and still no outrage from the DimDonks and the national socialist media. Obama dozed, people froze.
169 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Egospeak,
“I would say, however, that whenever the world (system)seems to love a professed evangelical christian, warning bells go off in my head.”
I have seen others here express a similar observation, or opinion.
But, five thousand people gathered to hear Jesus when He fed the multitude, and the Beatitudes were hardly “Hell Fire and Brimstone”.
What of the popularity of Billy Graham? Then there was Billy Sunday, and D. L. Moody they spoke only to live audiences.
Years ago I read a biography of D. L. Moody by R. A. Torrey. In it he tells of the great increase in the following of Moody after he heard an English evangelist (whose name has escaped me) preach the love of Christ, and changed his own message from a fearful gospel to one of love.
Moody:
“If I thought I had a drop of denominational blood in my body, I would open a vein to let it out”.
“No unholy hands have ever been laid on my unholy head”.
He was a shoe salesman, did you know? R.A. Torrey his great friend, however, who held a Th.D respected his bible scholarship greatly.
By the way, Joel Hunter began his ministry in the United Methodist Church. I should also tell you I admire him. But, then I once admired a Baptist Pastor who left his wife for the church organist.
Then, he became my friend. I decided the Lord didn’t need any help from me in this matter, but my friend might.
ET
170 everthink // Feb 19, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Newsman,
“How does God and all this Bible speaking in tongues relate to politics and satire ??”
These are the “Religious Right”. Religion is at the core of the politics of most here.
ET
Look at Darth, will you? It’s like he has a “Honey Wagon”. He runs all over filling it up, then rushes back here, where he dumps it for his friends to throw.
Perversely funny, isn’t it?
ET
171 egospeak // Feb 20, 2009 at 7:14 am
Re: 169
I spoke of popularity with the world “system” not popularity with individual people, whether it is many or few.
It was probably closer to 20,000 when you include women and children. While not fire and brimstone in the manner that we would understand, it was a not so subtle indictment of the Pharisees and their religion. It was not a message of gooey love, ie: “I love , you love me , we’re a happy family.” It was a message of what the requirements were for those who would be in God’s kingdom.
You will note that any preacher who waters down the Gospel message will see his popularity increase in the world. Joel Osteen is a perfect example and he is pretty much a heretic.
Jeusu spoke of hell more than any other person in scripture. It is part and parcel with the message of salvation. What are we being saved from?
I fail to see the point of Moody’s condemnation of denominationalism. What was your point in including it? What was the point of the quote about ‘No unholy hands have ever been laid on my unholy head’????
Yes I was aware that Moody was a shoe salesman before he became an evangelist.
Joel Hunter began his ministry in the United Methodist Church. OK.
I hope your friend got right with God.
Regards,
172 Hawkeye // Feb 20, 2009 at 8:21 am
et #169,
I greatly admire R.A. Torrey. I only have one of his books, What the Bible Teaches, but it’s a great reference.
173 boberinyetagain // Feb 20, 2009 at 11:13 am
30 days now and still things haven’t fully recovered. Time to impeach this one and give McCain a chance. I’m certain that he’d have had this all cleared up by now.
There, I said it…
174 egospeak // Feb 20, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Re: 171
Small correction to the second paragraph third line. It should read: “It was not a message of gooey love, ie: ‘I love you, you love me, we’re a happy family’.”
Regards,
175 everthink // Feb 20, 2009 at 1:36 pm
“It was not a message of gooey love, ie: “I love , you love me , we’re a happy family.”
OK, let’s go with that! I believe the gospel is much closer to that than your second part below. That would be a love with some limitations on “gooey”. Agape, not Eros! But remember: “Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.” Romans 16:16.
“It was a message of what the requirements were for those who would be in God’s kingdom.”
Sorry, my friend, I have some very serious concerns about this part. I expect no harvest from an “unplanted” field, but I hope I am ” … ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”
I think the Lord Jesus was not “on” the Pharisees because they did not keep the law, but because they had lost sight of it’s Spirit, and they enjoyed “lording over” others.
I discern this same problem among many fundamentalists.
In one of my greatest trials I sought the counsel of a minister in a distant city. His conclusion was the one I feared, but he offered his opinion reluctantly, and made it sound more like a suggestion. Then as I got up to leave he said to me: “One more thing!” He then stood and walked over to me, embraced me and kissed me on the cheek! That must have been about thirty years ago, but I will never forget that kindly old grandfather in Christ. Is that the “gooey” love you’re talking about? Well, that the love I mean.
I grew up as a Baptist, I was allowed in their pulpit. I have many wonderful memories of kind hearts and gentle Baptist people, but!
Times had changed everybody is a “closer”, everybody hammers scripture, conditions, requirements and rules while their fellows stand by nodding Amen!
They warn and hammer, a gentle and inoffensive message, a message of love and compassion.
Christ never did that with “sinners”, but he used the scriptures, and the Spirit of the Law, harshly against thsoe religious leaders who were too far from “gooey”.
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Hawkeye, Moody and Torrey seemed like such an odd pair, they truly loved each other (no Eros “gooey” implied). Moody seemed to have an inferiority thing when it came to Torry’s education, while Torrey stood almost in awe in Moody’s “gift”. No man ever had a more faithful friend than Torrey. Have you read of Moody’s last train ride on “The Messenger of Peace”.
(What hippy name!)
ET
176 everthink // Feb 20, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Egospeak,
“Jeusu spoke of hell more than any other person in scripture. It is part and parcel with the message of salvation.”
Really, but His message was about more than “fire insurance”. Wasn’t it?
What did his disciples know of hell? Jesus understood it thoroughly. Would you say that was His central message?
“What are we being saved from?”
Many things in this world, and one in the next.
I fail to see the point of Moody’s condemnation of denominationalism. What was your point in including it? What was the point of the quote about ‘No unholy hands have ever been laid on my unholy head’????
This seems contentious; at worst I wandered, perhaps I mused. Perhaps something else.
Lighten up some on the question marks, and the demanding tone will you?
“Yes I was aware that Moody was a shoe salesman before he became an evangelist.”
Unusual, given his statue, I thought.
“Joel Hunter began his ministry in the United Methodist Church. OK.”
Sorry, I thought it interesting.
“I hope your friend got right with God.”
Egospeak, I hope so too; but I did not require his repentance in my presence. He is God’s child, He will chasten him.
He left his ministry, went to a Medical School in Latin America, and become a Psychiatrist. I hope that’s not more than you wanted to know.
ET
177 everthink // Feb 20, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Make that: Unusual, given his stature, I thought.
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