(2008-04-07) — In the wake of this weekendâs removal of her chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn, Hillary Clintonâs presidential campaign launched a new TV ad touting her leadership and experience in shaking up staff and firing loyal friends.
Mr. Penn, who has steered Clinton family strategy for 12 years, quit over the weekend after revelations in The Wall Street Journal that he had signed a deal with the Colombian government to promote a free-trade agreement with the U.S. that Sen. Clinton opposes. His departure comes as Sen. Clinton trails Sen. Barack Obama in the delegate count, the popular vote and in fund raising.
Fewer than 60 days ago, Sen. Clinton replaced her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, in the wake of poor performance in the Super Tuesday primaries. Former vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro left the Clinton campaign less than a month ago, after sparking a firestorm of controversy over racially-insensitive remarks.
In a reprise of a now-famous ad, written by Mr. Penn, the narrator in the latest TV spot says:
“Itâs 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep, but thereâs a phone ringing in the White House, because the presidentâs top adviser is working with a foreign government to promote a trade agreement that the president opposes. Who do you want to answer that call? Or perhaps the presidentâs popularity has plummeted and her staff canât rally support for her ideas. Or maybe a key supporter, or even the presidentâs spouse, has made racially-insensitive remarks. Itâs 3 a.m. and thereâs a phone ringing in the White House. A longtime adviser and friend needs to be cut loose. Who do you want to answer that call?”
A spokesman for presidential rival Sen. Barack Obama said the new Clinton ad is a backhanded attempt to draw attention to Sen. Obamaâs failure to disown his controversial pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
To combat the accusation that Sen. Obama lacks the executive experience to make such tough decisions, his campaign has introduced a new slogan that emphasizes his stable leadership qualities: “Obama: The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same.”
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1 Libby Gone // Apr 7, 2008 at 6:55 am
When the car keeps going off the road, change the driver not the passengers.
2 MargeinMI // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:44 am
Actually, Libby, I think the dim playbook is more like a Chinese fire drill. Stop at the light, everyone jumps out and runs around and then get back in and drive on…..
wv: course rhetoric-shouldnât that be ‘coarseâ?
3 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:58 am
Q: Why am I reminded of Jimi Hendrixâs famous words, “Have you ever been experienced?” from 1967âs “Are You Experienced” by The Jimi Hendrix Experience?
A: Rhetorically? Iâm not, am I? Am I? Hmmmmm…..
4 Libby Gone // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:59 am
Morning Marge!
Beautiful Weekend round our parts!
Boy that does sound like their gameplan, probably why Slickschter was so snuggly with the ChiComs!
wv:that Mujeres, Threefty achers senor?
5 camojack // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:23 am
If one were to believe her ads, she seems awfully busy at 3 AM. Personally, I think itâs just another instance of he trying to claim credit for Sick [sic] Willieâs record…
6 RedPepper // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:24 am
There she goes again, exaggerating her âexperienceâ !
Sheâs claiming to know something about getting rid of bad actors, but sheâs still hanging on to Bubba ?
Right.
7 camojack // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:27 am
That “he” in my previous comment was supposed to be another “her”.
Freudian slip?
8 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:41 am
Beautiful, Scott.
You nailed the elusive, illusive, effluvium of the BO Nuance to the wall.
Excellent.
9 woodnwheel // Apr 7, 2008 at 9:56 am
To combat the accusation that Sen. Obama lacks the executive experience to make such tough decisions, his campaign has introduced a new slogan that emphasizes his stable leadership qualities: “Obama: The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same.”
I hope Iâm not the only one young enough to be familiar with this song, but now Iâm going to have Corinne Bailey Raeâs song “Put Your Records On” running through my head all day.
womanâs viewer — I know thereâs a great Clinton joke in there somewhere, but itâs still to early in the morning for my mind to come up with one!
10 gafisher // Apr 7, 2008 at 10:20 am
From Mark Pennâs new motivational video:
11 Fred Sinclair // Apr 7, 2008 at 11:25 am
Lots of first hand experience in firing on the part of HillBilly Inc. Billy fired a few. like 100% out of the Attorney Generalâs office about 55?) and she cleaned out an entire travel group plus, it seems one lawyer friend Mr. Vince Foster. Yes, when Herself fires you sometimes might really stay fired. The MSM acts as if maybe a flyâs been swatted.
But when Bush fires a handful (who only serve at his pleasure) the MSM treats it as if heâd murdered his saintly grandmother.
Heirborn Ranger
12 Hawkeye // Apr 7, 2008 at 11:39 am
Funnier than ever Scott!
âObama: The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same.â
You got that right! Correct even…
13 gafisher // Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Fred Re#11: “But when Bush fires a handful (who only serve at his pleasure) the MSM treats it as if heâd murdered his saintly grandmother.”
Grandmothers have been taken off the Endangered list ever since Obama tossed his under the bus. How about “… the MSM treats it as if heâd beached a handful of Snail Darters” instead?
14 gafisher // Apr 7, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Speaking of a tough job market, people either get this or they donât.
15 Just Ranting // Apr 7, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I recommend she hire Donald Trump as head of her campaign?s “nearly human” resources. That way she could fire a major staff member each week. America would be entertained by her ineptitude instead of merely appalled.
home cusses - yep, heard she does a lot of that too. Being married to Bill who can blame her?
16 Just Ranting // Apr 7, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Looks like the surrender monkeys in France are still in office.
This just in from Fox news…”PARIS MAYOR CANCELS OLYMPIC TORCH RELAY AFTER PRO-TIBETAN PROTESTS”
They simply must stop eating so much cheese over there. It is binding and is apt to make a populace irritable.
Let them eat cake!
17 Shelly // Apr 7, 2008 at 1:47 pm
And I thought her experience was in making up whoppers!
wv: base pulling - I wish this were true of McCain.
18 MajorDomo // Apr 7, 2008 at 2:29 pm
If people are known by the company they keep, what would that say about the steady flow of incompetence surrounding the Clintons? Is it that competent people refuse to work for them?
Fred #11: Thanks for keeping this fire burning. We seem to need constant reminding of this glaring hypocracy.
19 MajorDomo // Apr 7, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Just Ranting,
It doesnât take much to get the French to fold.
20 woodnwheel // Apr 7, 2008 at 2:56 pm
This is completely o/t, but I couldnât resist:
ABC News: Have You Seen This Man?
If you see an elderly white man, 65-70, balding, bandaged and in a leg cast, riding a wheelchair in Palo Alto, Calif., call the cops. …
Initial reports had the man motoring down a nearby street towards the busy El Camino Real, and police said in a press release that the suspect was “gone from the area upon officersâ arrival.”
But in an interview with ABC News today, a department spokeswoman said a witness may have seen the man enter a van that was “parked very close” to the bank.
Adding to the Palo Alto police departmentâs Keystone Cops-like luck, authorities said they were unable to get a clear image of the bandit from surveillance footage.
Over the weekend Palo Alto police issued a sketch of the suspect and are seeking the publicâs assistance in tracking the man down.
Click here to see the sketch.
For the record, most of what I typed above is invisible in the preview, so my apologies if it doesnât show properly when I submit it. It looks good in the window Iâm typing in.
21 woodnwheel // Apr 7, 2008 at 2:57 pm
What do you know, it worked!
22 da Bunny // Apr 7, 2008 at 4:28 pm
True, Hillary has surrounded herself with incompetent liberals, but Iâm much more interested in the low-life racists and subversives that Obama likes to hang out with…William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, et al. And, Iâve been particularly interested in the excerpts of Obamaâs book that have been printed in Ann Coulterâs recent column with the audio version being played on various talk radio shows. If Obama doesnât have an active contempt for white people, he has certainly given a good impression of it via his personal associations and his own written words.
23 Fred Sinclair // Apr 7, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I just sent the following email to my two Senators - Levin and Stabenow about their blocking a vote on Federal Judge nominations - waiting I believe for a different nomination from a different President.
Dear Senator:
“No one can “prove” that you are working diligently to help convert “….the Republc, for which it stands…” into a Socialist version of Cuba, No. Korea, No. Viet Nam, Venezuela, etc. except yourself. Deliberately blocking a vote on nominees, goes a very long way toward establishing such proof.
Obviously you have never looked at the lifestyle of the people in those countries or you really must hate America. Or else you see yourself as one of the high end muckety mucks in this country, once your coup dâetat is complete?
Put those nominations up for vote or resign - Liberals have no shame or I would say “Shame on you”.
Since you have shown that you possess no conception of the idea of shame, I wonât bother.”
Heirborn Ranger
24 Maggie // Apr 7, 2008 at 5:04 pm
WoodNwheel re#21
You are becoming quite the geek :>)
wv graduate swimming: The Ted Kennedy award, will be presented at the
summer Olympics to the winner of the 3-partâNocturnal Diving ,Running and Hiding event. ‘
(Okay okay….I hear the groans)
25 mindknumbed kid // Apr 7, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Some of the posts here dare to insinuate that the problem may lie in the candidate herself….surely you are not serious. This is Hillary Clinton, smartest woman that ever walked the face of the planet. The voters are just too ignorant to “get it”, they knew that the Slickhick “got it”, but Hillary is just so much more that nobody really understands her. She is just too intelligent to dumb it down to our level.
I feel her pain…..almost. If ever elected, weâll all feel the pain!
26 mindknumbed kid // Apr 7, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Major Domo - re#18- You just canât get good help these days, even if youâre an over hyped libdem candidate for president. If they could only get some illegals to do these jobs that Americanâs canât do.
27 prettyold // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:16 pm
mkk, Please donât give Hillary any ideas.
28 mindknumbed kid // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Not to worry prettyold, Iâm sure she has plenty of scary ideas in her head. She already knows how to dispatch Obama, sheâs just working on a legal way…
29 prettyold // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Ihave an inkling Mr Penn uses his middle name, “Mark” and his first name is “Indelible” and he may just leave a permanent stain on Hillaryâs campaign. I used to go to school with his Aunt Quill.she alwasy said Mark was rather a Sharpie,but his brother Ball ,could never get the Point.
30 prettyold // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:39 pm
mkk, # Nowthat will be a first!!
31 prettyold // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:41 pm
This ^%$*&(&%^ Space bar.
32 mindknumbed kid // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:48 pm
cHillary had better get on e if those Tideâą pens…
33 mindknumbed kid // Apr 7, 2008 at 7:55 pm
The usual methods they use are bound to eventually arouse suspicion.paints Av
34 mindknumbed kid // Apr 7, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Oops, that was the wv (points Av..) what am I doing here?
35 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:43 am
morning all,
36 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:37 am
Itâs kind of pathetic as BO continues to repeat lie after lie without even trying to make the lies the least bit credible. Of course, this is because it is okay to lie—itâs cool, in fact.
It does make it easier to make up stuff, if nobody is going to call you on it, obviously, but still…..
BO says he has more foreign policy experience than either The Hill & Bill Show or John Sydney McCain III…..
And people eat it up! Screaming, weeping, yelling, gesticulating, fainting…..They donât really care what he says.
~~~~~
Referring to Petraeusâ testimony today, the AP says
Hello! I am a member of the public and I do not disapprove.
The General is going to want a hot, hot shower after dealing with the anti-American scum which I predict will be just downright hateful and nasty—especially since, as AP suggests, the actual testimony is not the motivation for these hearings but hate, ridicule, hate, smears, hate, demagoguery, hate, et cetera, in order to guarantee their reelection to the Gravy Train.
Iâll bet those panelists have been phrasing their questions for weeks in order to get the desired results: distortion of the facts.
37 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 7:48 am
Good morning folks!
If only George had the sense to lose the losers like Hillary seems able and willing to do.
We might have actually made some progress in Iraq by now.
And no, Iâm not voting for Hillary
fumbled football? now theres a wv to wrap you mind around…George could handle that one
38 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:12 am
2003, IRAQ. Proven threat to Neighbors. Attacked non-combatants during Desert Storm. Attacked Iran. Attacked Kuwait. Threatened many. Hideous atrocities commited by Leader and half-devil children. Outspoken Anti American cadres. Obvious fascination with WMDâs.
Paying families who out of the sickest of all twisted religious concepts, send their family members on “Patriotic Missions of Martyrdom”.
2008 IRAQ. none of the above. PROGRESS???
39 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:42 am
Granted, we have them too busy killing each other to bother with others. That could be called progress.
We asked them to attack Iran, helped them with that, supplied many of those dreaded WMDâs for the cause (which is why we were so certain he had them but he was too crafty, had used or disposed of them because we later demanded he do so and he complied, the dirty rat)
The only reason they slowed in killing each other is because millions left and millions more were forced to move to be nearer to those “like” them. That and we now pay large segments of them. How long can we keep that up/will that work? Iran asked them to stop the latest round of killing and they did. Does that please you? Is that “progress”? Not really.
They have the audacity to elect folks (and this will be worse soon) that donât please us and make decisions that we donât agree with and we act surprised and hurt (they are not fans of Blackwater at all but we just renew the contract anyway). They will be allies with Iran, count on it.
Like the Palestinians the folks that ultimately end up in power (freely elected) wonât like us, we wonât like them. So, we will ignore them or worse. Soon enough we will have to invade again to “straighten things out”
I can hardly wait. Whoops, yes I can, yes I could have. I wish we were still waiting.
Many there are better off today. Many there are worse off today. Might be even, I believe itâs somewhat worse for more then have benfitted but either way, everyone is NOT better off and, in no scenario will those folks all ever agree on anything. Theyâve been infighting for thousands of years. Us thinking we could make it all ok by killing a bunch of them is just plain stupid.
And we all know it, all of this….
40 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:54 am
Since we are dealing with “Ifâs and “Whens” lets consider how much more everyone could have Blamed President Bush IF Saddam acquired a Nuke and When he roasted Philadelphia. Then that “no-good, inarticulate, RICH, greedy, undeserving President Bush” would have been tarred and feathered by the same individuals who tar and feather him now.
Remember we were attacked and Iraq applauded. They certainly never deserved a “shadow of doubt” concerning their intents.
As far as those who you claim to be worse off? I havenât seen it. Do the women still quiver in fear of being forced into rape rooms and their husbands forced to watch?
Yea and that Blood for Oil argument is as nonvalid today as ever.
41 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:06 am
Regardless we are there and in it for the long haul. History will decide what we today can not.
Unfortunately this may be small potatoes compared to what the Chicoms have in mind.
42 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:09 am
Or this clown:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080408/D8VTKG8G0.html
who only is a problem because George Bush exists.
43 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:32 am
I did not bring up oil at all did I?
But, why is it that the oil that will “pay for the war” ends up costing the military $3.29 a gallon?
Apparently that bit of wisdom was just a tad off.
Much of the world applauded on 9/11 but we invaded one place and that place had nothing whatever to do with it. The place next door on the other hand (SA) had everything to do with it but they are our buddies, practically giving us oil. They are good and fair to their people (especially the women) and we love them for these things (even if they did fly planes into the WTC, a minor inconvenience)
44 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:44 am
Does this sound like we are “almost there”?
This from the man that perhaps should have been in charge long ago. If Buch were more like Hillary perhaps he would have been…
Despite an improvement in security in parts of Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee, “Nonetheless, the situation in certain areas is still unsatisfactory and innumerable challenges remain.”
45 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:45 am
boberin,
The oil thing was a “pre-emtive shusshhhh”
ala Dr. Evil.
46 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:16 am
“…..even if they did fly planes into the WTC…..”
Prove it.
(Donât worry, I know you wonât because you canât. Youâd much rather tell bald-faced lies in support of our enemies with which you are clearly quite sympathetic and, perhaps, aligned.)
~~~~~
Thank you for showing yourself for what you are: a Godless, anti-American, Lying Traitor who considers the attack on TWC by Al Qaeda as “a minor inconvenience” (do you applaud and smile when you think about it?).
47 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:21 am
WTC not TWC
48 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:56 am
JL3, stop it, Iâm blushing over here. The Pope is proud of you my son.
Prove what, that the overwhelming majority of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? You need to get out more, really. Or perhaps stay in and read. Itâs not a secret, not something I need to “prove” you silly person.
tailor alive, he wasnât in that day
49 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:57 am
sigh
50 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:00 am
WTF?
51 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:25 am
Boberin, I want to address your consistant statements about the hijackers being from SA. While this is true, SA didnât actively support Bin Laden. Some of the worst humans I have ever known grew up here in Michigan, yet I donât hold USA accountable for their misdeeds.
I donât endorse SA and would never live there or even pay them the honor of me visiting there. However letâs identify the enemy for who it is and not the grains of silica from whence they crawled.
Those foolish idiots happily swallowed the sword of militant Islam, and would have done so no matter where they were born.
52 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:31 am
You claimed that Saudi Arabia “had everything to do with it” which is a lie from a Filthy Traitor who comes here making False Claims and resorts to ad hominem rather than admit it.
FYI: I would never say “prove it” if I didnât already KNOW that you CAN NOT.
53 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:40 am
Libby, give them a “buy” if you will, the whole truth can never be known but kids grow up largely believing what they hear at home. Perhaps these were just “rowdy young whippersnappers” but I doubt it.
JL3, eat my shorts. Donât make me send my daughter after you, sheâs highly trained
54 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:50 am
Boberin,
Not giving them a “buy”. Itâs just never been proven the government of SA had anything to do with it. I agree kids repeat what they hear at home. However most kids in USA donât seek out religious training based on hatred of a race of humans, and then act on the hatred in a despicable ,violent, and always cowardly fashion..
not even libdiots.
wv: into bedand (censored)
55 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 11:58 am
Too many of our kids actually do still learn to hate at home and race is unfortunately still a big part of that. Granted, ours havenât flown any planes into buildings but some of them have “acted out” in fairly spectacular ways all the same.
And, granted…not proven but far too little attention was paid to that end of the whole affair. We ignore SA but invade Iraq? We were certain that Iraq had nothing to do with it…certain/nothing…but never even asked SA why it was their folks driving that day. Câmon…are Saudis fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan? Possibly, but itâs never been brought up that Iâm aware of. If there are those that feel such an alliance to Mr. Laden then why not, youâd think theyâd be there with bells on.
56 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Do you want my address you Lying, Traitorous COWARD?
57 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Boberin, using the same argument we should nuke New York for allowing parents to teach their kids its ok to be liberal.
If the governments of SA, Yemen or the newest bastion of radicalism Pennsylvania, provided assistance or directed the attacks then I say NUKE em! However we canât hold a whole country accountable for a few radicals.
58 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 12:17 pm
unless they are running the place!
59 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 1:00 pm
JL3, no thanks, your undying admiration is enough. I could bask in that all day
Ah, PA as a radical state, nuke us, please…before we do yet more harm! We are a rowdy bunch, no doubt about it! We are among the top 50 in high school dropouts, we average 51%. Can you imagine the consequences of that?
The mind reels…
JL3, Iâm sure you wonât find any reference to that fact either
60 boberinyetagain // Apr 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm
JL3, “lying traitorous coward” is about the nicest thing I get called on a typical day. All part of the fun of being a claims adjuster!
Thank you for your support!
61 upnorthlurkin // Apr 8, 2008 at 4:26 pm
A Senator at the Vets for Freedom rally this morning quoted John Stuart Mill;
âWar is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.â
Remind you of anyone?!
62 upnorthlurkin // Apr 8, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Anyone interested in some great photos and video clips from this morningâs Vets For Freedom rally, hereâs a good link. I especially like the last video from an OIF vet telling us stateside what those fighting would like us to sacrifice!
63 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The terrorists are not of any one specific country, therefore we should not have attacked them unless they were willing to go sit in international waters waving until we got around to nuking them. Even if all of the hijackers on 9/11 were from SA, their comrades are not, neither are their bases from which they operate. So in reality we could not do anything to wage a war on terrorists. The invasion of Iraq is/was totally justifiable, but not necessarily using 9/11 as a basis. The war is part of a strategy to form a government that is stable and rationale enough to bring real change, even civility to a region in which it has not heretofore existed in modern times. It is a tactical move. The Saudis are not very good people either, but they are way closer to being an ally than Suddenly Insane was, and as a nation what threat was posed by SA? Would you have invaded SA? Do not forget this whole affair was brought on by the leader of Iraq, he supplied an opportunity that we desperately needed at the time. It has benefited us greatly in that many other terrorists have gone to Iraq to join the fight. Donât be so simplistic in your position and arguements against what we must do in order to have any chance of diffusing the bomb that has been ticking away for decades, is it not in our nationâs best interest to rid the world of the jihadist movement? This is too complex for the average Joe watching CNN listening to a bunch of anti-American rhetoric every night. There is no perfect plan to deal with the problem, it has been their strategy all along, they are diverse people in diverse areas, they do not identify themselves as terrorists/jihadists and do not wear a uniform of an organized army. Tell us oh ye holders of infinite knowledge, what is the “right” way to engage and deteat this enemy? And do please be detailed in your answer.
64 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 4:50 pm
And that is why your libdiot candidates and opponents offer vague or shallow criticism, they know nothing about how to do the job. So they ignor it and argue for diplomacy and sanctions that are not going to do one doggone thing to change the threat. But hey, theyâll pretend to like us and pretend to take us seriously for a little while, until they are able to defeat us (or at least believe in that possibility), I for one am not too thrillred to sit back and pretend that everything is OK. There is a difference between acting and action, we need more action and little more talk. Right now is such a pivotal point in our nationâs history and odds are we will blow it, then what?
65 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 5:01 pm
When I said the whole thing being brought on by Saddam, I meant the invasion, not the 9/11 attacks. Just clarifying it for the trolls.
66 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 5:21 pm
bob - God is on record as “hating” BTW, therefore to argue that hating is always wrong, you must tell God that he is wrong. Hate is an ugly thing, but in certain circumstances it is necessary. Hate is the motivation for a lot of things, it is hard to control, it is a great danger. But it will never be eliminated in this world. I really hate the fact that they use their hatred of the Jews and us regular infidels to cause others to likewise hate us. Can we hate the things they do and not hate them also? Yes, but it is not easy. I certainly would not want to be held to that standard! Race is not the culprit in the case of the jihadists, it is their religious beliefs, people always find ways and reasons to divide, a little ignorance goes a long way in helping, stereotyping and pure laziness helps matters along.
67 Libby Gone // Apr 8, 2008 at 5:33 pm
#65,
I agree. Hussien very well had a great opportunity to show the world he had nothing to hide. He could have strode to the table in complete defiance due to his utter innocence. Then he could have publicly embarassed his sworn enemy AMERICA by providing absolute proof of his compliance. Which would result in being regarded as a Conquering Hero in the region, perhaps immortalized.
so why didnât he?
68 prettyold // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Any news on Ms RightWing,Ink?
Prayers are still being delivered.
silver stocking Rather bulky ,I would think.
69 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 6:42 pm
RE: #66~~
Exactly.
The commandment is to love your neighbor.
But we can certainly “hate” things that they do.
~~~~~
The same confusion exists regarding the admonition against “judgement” of our neighbor (we do not know their hearts) but we sure Can and Should “judge” their actions (the Lord Himself expressed several times HOW and WHY to do so).
The real confusion is between “judgement” and “discernment” but I digress.
70 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:16 pm
It was not Scottâs great talent and funny stories that got my attention the first time I looked inside this Scrappleface site. No, it was a post by Ms. RightWing that did more to keep me here than anything else. If anyone hears anything, be sure and pass it along to us here. And if you are reading or do read this personally Ms. RightWing, Ink I hope you are doing great and you will be in our thoughts and prayers.
Now get better and get back here where you belong!
71 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Libby - re#67 He also signed an agreement after the first Gulf War and agreed to many stipulations that he was not fulfilling. . . and he had ample opportunities and warnings. I think GWB is the first (and only) one to really call the UN to enforce its resolutions, it is otherwise a useless,spineless, waste of time.
72 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 8, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Precisely.
WMD were, in a sense, after the fact and only served to add paranoia to the mix which, unfortunately, caused the premature launch of the Inevitable.
The UN had resolutely refused to enforce its own resolutions. So there was a sense of urgency in the face of a clear and present danger; threatening us and our allies. Personally, I never thought of it as anything less than a case of Self-Defense.
The Brave Men & Women of the USA (link to a Washington Post timeline) Accomplished the Mission that the UN couldnât be bothered with.
Yes, Hussein was given plenty of warning and where was he found? Hiding in a hole in the ground clutching a bag of USD—thatâs a picture that is worth 1,000 words, minimum.
God Bless America
73 mindknumbed kid // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:45 pm
May America rediscover the paths that lead to Godâs blessings.
74 Hawkeye // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:28 am
Ms RW,
You are in our thoughts and prayers. Get better and come back soon.
75 boberinyetagain // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:33 am
Saddam declared long and loudly that he had indeed complied with the order to rid himself of WMDâs and our invasion served to prove him correct. How/why is this ignored/forgotten?
Yep, a nice stable America loving country in the ME would be a coup, a darned fine coup. Have you noticed the Iraq is not now nor will it ever be that place?
I supposed some credit for the effort is worthwhile but serious questions about why anyone thought that would work (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary spanning thousands of years) is still a viable question given that we are still there.
We could have said we tried and failed 3-4 years back or we could wait another 100 and say so then. If it WAS worth a shot (it wasnât but, hey, we did try) then it can still be argued that we caused nearly as much suffering as we alleviated.
Just to make JL3 happy, hereâs a recent snapshot of the situation from those that should know best…
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0729505720080409?sp=true
Are we there yet? Will we ever be?
Nope
76 boberinyetagain // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:36 am
The International Monetary Fund expects Iraqâs gross domestic product to rise to over 7 percent this year, from just 1.3 percent in 2007, due to higher oil output. But unemployment is high and inward investment sparse. The United Nations estimates 4 million Iraqis are struggling to feed themselves while 40 percent of the 27-million population has no safe water.
* Iraqâs national power grid, devastated by years of war and sanctions, leaves millions in the dark. The country has the worldâs third largest reserves of oil, but motorists sometimes queue at petrol stations for hours. Oil output has only in recent months returned to pre-war levels of close to 2.5 million barrels per day.
77 boberinyetagain // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:37 am
COST
* The war has cost the United States Treasury $500 billion, but some experts believe the long-term bill will be far higher. Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz has estimated the war could end up costing $3 trillion when combat, health and other long-term costs are factored in.
REFUGEES
* Iraq has been hard-hit by a brain-drain that has robbed it of much-needed doctors, engineers, scientists and other skilled professionals. The Iraqi doctorsâ syndicate says up to 70 percent of specialist doctors have fled abroad.
* Roughly 2 million people are estimated to have left the country. The United Nations says only 36,000 people have returned since security improved. There are also around 2 million people displaced internally.
78 boberinyetagain // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:39 am
Almost there?
- Despite the decline in the latter part of 2007, Iraqâs own figures showed that more civilians died overall in 2007 (16,232) than did in 2006 (12,360).
- However according to IBC, up to 27,519 civilians were killed in 2006 and up to 24,519 killed in 2007.
* U.S. MILITARY:
- U.S. military deaths have reached 4,025 since the invasion in 2003. According to icasualties.org, an independent Web site that tracks military deaths, there was a steady decline in the second half of 2007. Nevertheless 2007 was the deadliest year for U.S. troops in Iraq with 901 killed, underscoring a new counter-insurgency strategy of moving troops off large, relatively safe bases and into small neighborhood garrisons.
How can seemingly sane people see this as progress?
79 Fred Sinclair // Apr 9, 2008 at 9:34 am
Youngsters who are barely into their 50âs or 60âs probably wonât appreciate this, but there are incentives for wanting to be 70.
In the Bible, we have the fact that for his own reasons, God used 40 years under Pharaoh to bring Moses up to where he then spent another 40 years tending sheep (and I suspect learning how to think), only then at age 80 was he qualified to carry out Godâs will to free His people.
After 40 more years out wandering in the wilderness, he died at age 120.
Anna Mary Robertson 1860 - 1961, better known as “Grandma Moses” began painting in her 70âs and became world famous. She died in 1961 at age 101 - one of her paintings “Fourth of July” still hangs to this day, in the White House.
Another great advantage to being 70 is that finally, for the first time in your life, you are entitled to an opinion.
“Trolls” - Unfortunately there are a few youths who have managed to save enough out of their allowance to obtain a computer only to find that sage opinions arenât included in the box. Leaving them with little more than the wild conjectures of their youth.
(conjecture |kÉnËjek ch Ér|
noun
a conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information)
Heirborn Ranger
80 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 9, 2008 at 10:38 am
I am not surprised that a nation of people, which had been beaten down mercilessly by a ruthless barbarian for decade after decade, would need time to learn how to act civil.
Itâs a process.
~~~~~
As for the infrastructure, Iâd put it all up for bids. Yes, Iâd outsource it.
Thank you
81 everthink // Apr 9, 2008 at 11:02 am
“Another great advantage to being 70 is that finally, for the first time in your life, you are entitled to an opinion.”
Really?
But, yourâs was just twisted to stupid, before you were “entitled”!
Now it has gone senile!
That makes you an “Old Crank” who thinks he is Moses?
ET
82 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 11:20 am
re#75 - But as adults we cannot simply sit around and play a game of Saddam says. While in the game, Simon/Saddam is the authoritative figure and must be followed, in the adult world we need more than Saddam says. Saddamâs conduct spoke words that caused his words to be questioned, I once heard someone say that actions speak louder than words. Indeed it is so, however both can be deceptive.
I still wonder what solutions the critics have to offer. All I see is a bunch of spineless “peace” lovers that want to quit and do nothing more than talk, and talk they will, howbeit, they are willing to allow themselves to be deceived just so they can feel good about their own perceived “accomplishments”.
If this is the course we take America will be in certain jeopardy, if it continues down that road it will be defeated by terrorist threats, nothing more than a threat and we wil do whatever it takes to appease the threat- wielders. When it comes to that stage of the game, just having a nation that will turn around and be willing to stand up and fight, will be considered progress. I say continuing the efforts there is progress when I compare it to the proposals of Obama and Murtha.
Does anyone think it odd that the enemy also wants to win this fight? Is it our conception of ourselves as a “superpower” that all we have to do is send a few troops, state our objectives and it will be done? Is this goal too hard for those that love and support freedom to accomplish? Is there any option other than surrendering or hoping for the best?
I asked for better ideas as to how to engage and defeat the enemies, where are they?
83 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 11:26 am
Look who showed up Mr. MeToo of the current political trends. Get out your disinfectant folks, youâre gonna need some if it hangs around long. I canât wait……OK, I can wait, indefinitely.
84 Hawkeye // Apr 9, 2008 at 11:38 am
boberin #77,
The United Nations says only 36,000 people have returned since security improved.
I donât know where you got that information from, but 46,000 returned to Iraq in one month alone… See HERE.
85 Hawkeye // Apr 9, 2008 at 12:15 pm
boberin #78,
How can seemingly sane people see this as progress?
Bob, you are a “glass is half-empty” kinda guy, arenât you?
-Wars cost money. So what? What exactly is the cost of freedom for 27 million Iraqis worth, in your opinion? What is your own freedom worth? If youâd spend it for yourself, why not others? Are you so selfish?
-Iraqis have fled Iraq. So what? Perhaps thatâs because they couldnât leave under Saddam? Is the ability to flee worse than being forced to stay? By the way, not all of those 2 million refugees left Iraq post-invasion.
-People die in wars. No kidding? The Iraq war is probably the least costly war in terms of American deaths in U.S. history. And we donât kill civilians indiscriminately (unlike our enemies). Most of the violence and death in Iraq can be blamed on Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Mehdi army and other rogue militias, Sunni insurgents and sectarians. Donât try to lay a guilt trip on me about that.
-Relatively speaking, violence is down, electrical power availability is up, reconciliation is happening, the benchmarks Congress set are being met, people feel secure in their own neighborhoods, the Parliament is passing laws, and the Iraqi government is standing up to anti-American and anti-government forces like those of al-Sadr.
You (and a lot of libs) just simply close your eyes to “progress” because NO amount of progress is ever good enough for you. I guess thatâs why they call you guys “progressives”.
Oh, and thanks for implying Iâm “insane”. That just made my day.
86 Hawkeye // Apr 9, 2008 at 12:21 pm
MKK #82,
Good analysis.
87 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I get the impression that the nay sayers of this war believe that doing nothing has no consequences, I guess if that is the case I would have to join their calls to withdraw. I think we all wish life to be so simple.
88 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 9, 2008 at 1:07 pm
From yesterday:
Questioner (Accuser would probably be more apropos): You said [Unintelligible Nasal Whining Sounds] assessment [more UNWS] after 12 months. Well, itâs been [yet more UNWS] six months [still even more], now what?
General Petraus [eyebrows arched high above his head]: Huh!?!
89 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 9, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Petraeus
90 Libby Gone // Apr 9, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I have to remind us all of the aftermath of WWII. The Allies lead by America struggled to help wartorn countries reestablish their infrastructure, economies, and security. Shots were fired well after the “last shots”. Commies and subversives worked to sabotage our efforts. People suffered still and died. Many questioned the very purpose of the war.
Now most people in Germany, Japan, France and much of Europe rank America as a postive influence in the world.
History shall decide.
91 Libby Gone // Apr 9, 2008 at 1:36 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7324337.stm
92 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 9, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Watching the Spanish Inquisition on C-SPAN the last couple of days has driven home (with a sledge hammer) the definition of “bloviate” (to speak or write verbosely and windily)—my eardrums are uncomfortably numb from the bombardment of Utterly Ignorant Snark, spewed by the embedded socialist sympathizers seeking to make us subservient to psychopathic scum.
Thank you
93 RedPepper // Apr 9, 2008 at 2:06 pm
âHow can seemingly sane people see this as progress?â
Bob, did you see any of the coverage that was on your TV, not so long after Saddamâs regime was toppled, of the mass graves being exhumed? And the relatives of the âdisappearedâ who frantically pleaded with those in charge for any shred of information that could reveal the fate of their loved ones?
Do you suppose, if they were asked, that they would be foolish enough to characterize the present situation as âprogress?â
Just asking …
94 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 9, 2008 at 3:30 pm
This is Phobos, the larger of the two moons of Mars, my home planet. Is that a nice photo or what.
95 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 3:44 pm
JL3 - On your next trip home take cHillary and Obama, maybe even bob and ET, with you!
96 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 4:05 pm
ScorpiosForHillary
Hillaryâs Moon is in a tense 90-degree square with unconventional Uranus, adding a sense of distance or separation that can override Piscesâ usual …
http://www.scorpiosforhillary.com/
97 Fred Sinclair // Apr 9, 2008 at 4:10 pm
et #81: I knew you would miss it, it went way over your head. There is not one Christian Conservative here at SF who failed to recognize the last part as specifically describing you in particular and all trolls in general. But it was expected, I knew you wouldnât get it. Way too deep for you.
âTrollsâ - Unfortunately there are a few youths who have managed to save enough out of their allowance to obtain a computer only to find that sage opinions arenât included in the box. Leaving them with little more than the wild conjectures of their youth.
(conjecture |kÉnËjek ch Ér|
noun
a conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information)
The meaning of wild conjecture you demonstrated beautifully. Thank you.
“But, yourâs was just twisted to stupid, before you were âentitledâ!
Now it has gone senile!
That makes you an âOld Crankâ who thinks he is Moses?”
But then of course, Iâd rather be an “Old Crank” than a smart -alec kid whose sum total of real knowledge is limited to having memorized the comics you found in your bubble gum wrappers.
Heirborn Ranger
98 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 9, 2008 at 4:18 pm
From the FWIW Department-
I just arrived home again. It got pretty hard to sit and stare out the hospital window while the temps neared the 70 degree mark, so I had to pack up and leave.
It was a good old case of double pneumonia and as always complicated by MS. My chest muscles just keep me from getting up a good cough when my bronchitis gets bad and settles into pneumonia. sigh.
Still feeling a bit off, but home is where the heart (and lungs) are.
Thanks for the prayers and sweet words. My mind needs cleaned out after watching CNN for 3 days, so a nap is in order
99 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Glad you are back home MsRW. Get your rest and come back better than ever.
100 RedPepper // Apr 9, 2008 at 5:06 pm
MsRW ! Good 2 C u bak !
Too bad you missed all the sweetness & harmony thatâs weâve had going on here … we all sang Kumbayah, and had a group hug … sorry you missed it.
RP
ps: Oh yeah, I nearly 4got, we made sâmores 2 …
101 Fred Sinclair // Apr 9, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Lady Right Wing, Ink Really happy that youâre back, and feeling somewhat better. Sorry about that CNN for 3 days. Youâll recover from that too.
Heirborn Ranger
102 Libby Gone // Apr 9, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Yes Ms. RW, nice to see you here.
103 Libby Gone // Apr 9, 2008 at 6:09 pm
JL3,
Very nice! Now I knew Phobos is hollow, due to its mass. What Iâd like to know is why did you shoot down the Soviet Phobos 2 mission?
MKK,
I noted the Scorpions lovely Red Star.
Iâm sensing a pattern here.
104 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:05 pm
From the scorpio link:
As symbolized by the Scorpion, when Scorpio is out of balance it becomes defensive, stinging anyone perceived as a threat. It also can be secretive, jealous, vengeful, blindly loyal, and coldly cruel. At its worst, Scorpio sees enemies and danger everywhere, plots obsessively against them, and explodes in righteousness or even violence if others question its actions. When those who suffer or witness the Scorpionâs sting beat a hasty retreat or sever the relationship, Scorpio withdraws into brooding resentment.
Interesting…
105 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Push it,baby.
106 mindknumbed kid // Apr 9, 2008 at 7:19 pm
RP - Did you eat my sâmore? Somebody ate my sâmore…..no more Kumbayah âround here, this means war!
107 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 9, 2008 at 11:28 pm
*
108 everthink // Apr 10, 2008 at 1:09 am
“But then of course, Iâd rather be an âOld Crankâ than a smart -alec kid whose sum total of real knowledge is limited to having memorized the comics you found in your bubble gum wrappers.”
Old Crank
My “wisdom” tells me you have none!
Without listing all the aspects of the disaster “the product” your “wisdom” has brought on the United States, let me just say the world will be a better place in 285 days!
Then, I believe, it will be revealed just how evilly the Republicans have behaved. The cause of Christ has been insulted, and most of the world is disgusted by your “gospel”, and your own witness is as “sounding brass”.
ET
109 Fred Sinclair // Apr 10, 2008 at 5:08 am
e.t. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You never cease to amaze me, the lengths you will go to prove me right. Thanks a lot.
Heirborn Ranger
110 Fred Sinclair // Apr 10, 2008 at 5:12 am
push
111 Libby Gone // Apr 10, 2008 at 8:26 am
“Then, I believe, it will be revealed just how evilly the Republicans have behaved.”
such a laugh.
Searching under baskets seeking to find immorallity when the Libs and Dems are fornicating on rooftops!
112 Maggie // Apr 10, 2008 at 8:49 am
Good Morning All,
Ms Righty,
Glad to read you are home again to Scrapple another day.
I didnât get the memo until today when I played catch-up.You have a way of reducing all odds with your ever trusting faith in the Lord.You are an ‘overcomerâ.
News is moving kinda slow around these parts lately.Hope all is well at the Ott house.
113 Maggie // Apr 10, 2008 at 8:59 am
ET re# 108
Donât forget the ever popular “tinkling cymbol”.
btw
your mama called, she said to “phone home”.
wv: rabbit have (many bunnies)
114 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 10, 2008 at 9:22 am
{begin~~~~~
Itâs been kind of ugly (and, yes, scary) around here [the future home of the infamous Cowboys] the last couple of days but nothing like just a little north of here.
Sadly, though, both of our vehicles resemble the surface of the moon after a hail storm night before last. The roof of our humble abode doesnât look too good, either, but no leakage as yet.
13-14 years ago, after a similar storm, I tore the old roof off and replaced it myself. I donât think Iâll be doing that this time around.
The most anxious moments came when the cable went out for 5-6 hours this morning.
~~~~~end}
115 Libby Gone // Apr 10, 2008 at 9:32 am
JL3,
Sorry to hear that. I hope no one was hurt.
Makes me wonder how many are blaming President Bush already……
116 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 10, 2008 at 9:40 am
One of the Greatest Political Masterminds of All Time, “Sir” Elton John, actually uttered a five-syllable word in the presence of The Hill & Bill Show thus causing Blackberries throughout the vast, gilt ballroom to glow with dictionary.com thus causing it to look like the gala event had been infiltrated by grinning maniacs wearing scary masks. There were several unconfirmed reports of exploding heads.
117 everthink // Apr 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I the eyes of Almighty God sin is sin, no matter how small; but, in the dealings of men there are degrees of offense.
Typically, we rightly do not impose the death penalty for theft. While it is true some Moslem âconservativesâ might cut off the hand of a thief, we have not yet come to that point. But, our âliberalâ laws may impose a variety of other punishments, unless of course, the âoffenderâ is a high level âCorporate Republicanâ.
I may surprise you to know, not all âsinâ occurs below the waist. However, if that is your standard, do the names Craig, Vetter, Foley, Gingrich, and McCain sound familiar to you?
You may recall, even after his adultery with Bathsheba, King David was called a man after Godâs own heart.
Bill Clintonâs offense was an embarrassment to us all. But, you hypocrites were not too embarrassed to try to make it, and the $70,000,000.00 Whitewater witch-hunt the central events of his administration.
If given a choice today between sexual sins of Bill Clinton, and the rape of America by George W. Bush, who do you think American voters would choose?
ET
118 Just Ranting // Apr 10, 2008 at 1:46 pm
ET re:117
How does one get to the point in life where you can reach a moral equivalence between Israelâs King David and Bill Clinton?
When Nathan confronted King David about his sin (2 Samuel 11-12, if you care to look it up) David fasted and repented. God, in His great mercy, forgave him. He continued be a man after Godâs own heart.
David did not stand up in front of a tribunal and claim he didnât know the meaning of the word “is”. David didnât stand before all of Israel and declare, ” I never had sexual relations with that woman…Bathsheba”. He did not blame his troubles on some imaginary vast right wing Ammonite/Aramean conspiracy. He took responsibility for his actions, repented, and relied on the benevolence of Almighty God. And the Psalms bear out his deep love and reliance on the Him.
The many differences between the great warrior King David and the cowardly Bill Clinton are amazingly stark. Iâm surprised a crack biblical scholar such as you didnât pick up on that.
futures tees: Goinâ to the future, gonna see it, gonna get the T-shirt.
119 everthink // Apr 10, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Where did David repent? Did he also repent about his causing Uriahâs death? To whom did David repent? Was it Nathan? No, it was to God Himself; Bill Clinton says he has done that!
May God give grant you more the mercy than you give.
But, Bill Clinton is gone - good riddance (less for you to obsess about)!
In 284 days I will say the same of Bush; but, the American people will be less likely to forgive him (and you Republicans) than you are of Clinton!
ET
120 everthink // Apr 10, 2008 at 2:37 pm
“How does one get to the point in life where you can reach a moral equivalence between Israelâs King David and Bill Clinton?”
Easily! I donât think I am God! I leave such judgments to Him.
Did the Lord tell you to do otherwise?
ET
121 Just Ranting // Apr 10, 2008 at 4:43 pm
ET
When Nathan stood before David and condemned him was he judging him? No, he admonished him so he would repent before God. And so he did. I sincerely hope Mr. Clinton is repentant of his sins, as we all should be. The result of not doing so I would not wish on my worst enemy.
Iâm not the one who compared King David to Bill Clinton. By your own admission King David was a man after Godâs own heart. You degrade David by comparing his actions to those of Bill Clinton. I simply mean to point out the important distinction that David owned up to his actions. I state that Bill Clinton is a coward because of the evidence of it in his life. His avoidance of truth and evasions from his commitments and responsibilities is one thing. But to deny what is plain for all to see because heâs afraid to face the consequences is cowardly. He should have, by all that is right, resigned and saved the country and himself additional humiliation. I do not wish to stand in judgment of him, but I also will not be among the cursed who call evil good and good evil.
122 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Of course David went down in history as still being “a man after Godâs heart” During his reign as King, he appointed only right wing reporters to staff the Jerusalem Times, he appointed a conservative as Editor-In-Chief, and he also made certain that TV and radio told his side of the issue.
But Bill Clinton had the VRWC out to crucify him day in day out, relentless evil republicanistical mad dogs that constantly devoured his soul.
The similarities between the two after their indiscretions are strikingly similar. King David went on to promote womenâs issues, abortion on demand, gay rights, and higher taxes on the rich. His controversial “donât ask, donât kill policy”was key in securing an Army that was second to none.
If it had come from a truly legitimate source, I would have considered those remarks as an insult to my intelligence. But considering the source, I guess it is pretty amazing that he even figured out that the two men had anything at all in common. I think you all would have to admit your surprise to find that ET even knows that there was a King by the name of David. Keep trying ET, one day you might even get one correct thought out.
123 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Remember the Ron Brown funeral incident? I am not sure if Mr. Clintonâs repentance was as phony as his tears for the camera, or not. I cannot judge him, but I can form an opinion based on what I see and hear. Seeing as how the Clintonâs attended a church that did not take scriptural stands on issues that were facing our nation, it is not all that likely that Mr. Clinton could make sound decisions when it came to his spirituality.
King David thought he had “pulled it off”, and that nobody knew what he had done. Nathan did not see what had gone on, but being a prophet, God revealed the matter to him. All he did was tell David that God knew everything and was not pleased with it. Davidâs conscience did the rest, and he publicly repented, he also “walked the walk” after repenting. He put God first, he strove to please God above all. Bill Clinton doesnât appear to have changed at all. Oops, how judgmental of me to say that!
124 everthink // Apr 10, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Nathan was a prophet. As such, he was speaking the words God told him to speak.
Are you a prophet?
“You degrade David by comparing his actions to those of Bill Clinton.”
Davidâs actions were WORSE than Bill Clintonâs.
With Clinton there was a type of fornication, and a false denial.
With David there was fornication, adultery and conspiracy to cause the murder of a faithful soldier under his command.
ET
125 everthink // Apr 10, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Clinton was also guilty of adultery.
ET
126 Fred Sinclair // Apr 10, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Obama, Clinton to headline forum on âpressing moral issuesâ
Iâd like to be part of the “The Compassion Forum.” and get my 2 cents worth in, perhaps I could fill in for McCain due to his scheduling conflict. - Waxless Fred
the topics of POVERTY: = Very simple, slash taxes, cut and or eliminate entitlement programs. ergo - Business expands, hires more employees (who start paying taxes) = poverty level drops.
AIDS: = Copy the fairly successful anti-smoking program, promoting safe sex and abstinence.
GLOBAL WARMING (manmade): Chicken Littleâs “The Sky is falling” Kindergardenerâs fairy tale, not to be discussed or commented on by mature adults.
ABORTION: Murder is murder no matter how many flowers is hung around it.
GENOCIDE IN DAFUR: = genocide is just as bad in Dafur as it is anywhere else.
HUMAN RIGHTS: Without our 2nd amendment (which exists to protect the people from the government) there are no human rights.
and
TORTURE: If National Security is at stake; do whatever you have to do and let the chips fall along with the complications.
Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania, is hosting the live television event which will be a hoot since the two of them are indistinguishable, one from the other.
Heirborn Ranger
127 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 10, 2008 at 6:41 pm
This most recent sub-thread contains a fairly good example of what I was referring to when I mentioned “confusion” regarding the words “judgement” and “discernment”.
Thank you
128 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 7:44 pm
OK ET, I have a request to make of you. Could you explain 1 Cor 6:1-7? Anyone else can feel free to if they would like, but I am interested in what the resident expert has to say.
129 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Titus 3:9-11
“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
130 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 7:55 pm
P U S H
131 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 8:01 pm
When you say that Davidâs actions were worse than Bill Clintonâs have you not judged both men? I thought we werenât supposed to judge others.
132 mindknumbed kid // Apr 10, 2008 at 8:07 pm
re#117 - James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
If you are guilty of breaking Godâs law you are condemned, and no matter what the transgression, the punishment is the same. Right?
133 gafisher // Apr 10, 2008 at 8:38 pm
ET Re#117: “… the $70,000,000.00 Whitewater witch-hunt …”
Why bring Mrs. Clinton into this discussion?
134 Fred Sinclair // Apr 10, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I just finished reading another example of NYTâs liberal socialistic bias regarding ‘rightsâ. My reply to my friend who sent it:
I read the piece and link with great interest. However glaring in itâs absence was the fundamental bedrock upon which 100% of all other rights rests. The 2nd Amendment should have been numbered “one (1)” i.e. your right to freedom of speech evaporates when a gun barrel is screwed into your ear with the command to “Shut up!” Absent the 2nd amendment and all “rights are instantly converted to privileges, to be granted or withheld at the option or whim of another (who does have the guns) aka “The Government”.
In the early 80âs in Pinellas County, FL, (St. Petersburg/Clearwater) A lady bail bondsman applied for a concealed permit 8 consecutive years before getting it on the 8th try. The county board was on record, they denied permits except in cases of extreme, dire necessity. The potential of wrongful death lawsuits was their reason for denying petitions. (btw thatâs a neat word “petition” as in “Mommy, can I have a cookie, pretty please, can I? can I? Huh?” That year there was over 6000 applications for ccp eight (8) were ‘grantedâ. The following year there was a change in the wording of the law. The word ‘mayâ was changed to ‘willâ. If certain stringent criteria was met, the applicant may be issued….etc.” That year there was over 8,600 ccp issued, with a corresponding decrease in crime. Flying in the face of the dire predictions of the liberals of wholesale carnage with the streets running rivers of blood would ensue if the law was altered. Not one (1) crime was committed by a holder of a ccp! Good luck? No, in the famous quote by Robert A. Heinlin. “An armed society is a polite society.”
Heirborn Ranger
135 Fred Sinclair // Apr 10, 2008 at 10:40 pm
*p*u*s*h*
Heirborn Ranger
136 Fred Sinclair // Apr 11, 2008 at 1:57 am
push again 3+ hours
137 Fred Sinclair // Apr 11, 2008 at 3:01 am
Thot for the day: Itâs difficult to be very busy and unhappy at the same time.
Heirborn Ranger
138 Darthmeister // Apr 11, 2008 at 6:23 am
Iâve been busy working two jobs to pay my taxes which goes to support those able-bodied Americans who prefer to live on welfare, so please forgive me if someone has already posted this news … I havenât had time to check all the posts here at Scrappleface.
It appears the “Reverend” Wright is a former Muslim and black nationalist before he “converted” to Christianity to spread his anti-American hate and racist venom.
No wonder his
propaganda conspiracy theoriessermons sound like those of screwy Louis Farrakhan.139 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 11, 2008 at 7:15 am
If I may:
RE: #131~~
mindknumbed kid~~
The answer is “No,” and the reason is the highlighted word.
Discernment that a personâs actions are right or wrong or whatever is not a judgement of the person.
“Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”~~Matthew 7:20
Thank you
140 JamesonLewis3rd // Apr 11, 2008 at 7:47 am
Not from “the resident expert”:
“[The apostle] Reproves them for going to law with one another about small matters, and bringing the cause before heathen judges”~~from Matthew Henryâs comments on 1Corinthians 6:1-8.
141 Shelly // Apr 11, 2008 at 9:18 am
Wow, just catching up this morning. I love that the name of the poster precedes the post now, I completely ignored comments by boberin and ET knowing that there would be no logic or truth in them anyway. Your many responses, however, are excellent. Imagine a supposedly religious person not understanding the little distinction repentance plays.
An honest prayer might have saved Hillary from that sniper fire in Bosnia, when Bill was told it was too dangerous for him to go so he sent his wife and daughter instead! What a warrior. Iâm currently studying Beth Mooreâs “A Man After Godâs Own Heart” - which Iâd recommend - and Iâm relatively certain David didnât send a woman to face the giant. I imagine ET can correct me on that if Iâm wrong, but I wonât know it because Iâm too happy to ignore his lies on behalf of these proven perpetual liars.
Iâm especially happy to see that one of our favorite posters - and bakers - is home. May your recovery be quick. Go ahead and rest while the rest of us here happily offer our prayers on your behalf.
142 Fred Sinclair // Apr 11, 2008 at 9:30 am
JL3rd You are correct. with Mt 7:20 and Iâm sure you are one of the very few that knows what is meant.
All too often a list of good things is wheeled out, when in fact itâs a list of “fruits of the Spirit”.
the preacherâs responsibility is for the equipping of the saints. (Eph. 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: )
Teachers teaching teachers to teach teachers - (2Tim. 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.)
As the fruit of an apple tree is more apples so the fruit of a Christian is more Christians, unfortunately there are Christians who having accepted Christ are too busy (or lazy?) to share the “Good News” with their barber, Doctor, Waitress, etc. and they have no fruit.
Parenting new Christians after the manner of Paul is one of lifeâs great experiences: (Philem. 1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds) Christians without fruit are often in churches where they have not been taught the Scriptures and their responsibility to the lost.
Heirborn Ranger
143 Maggie // Apr 11, 2008 at 9:46 am
Hi Shelly,(dittos)
Just to let you know, I enjoyed your post #141.
gafisher re #133,
You are such a hoot! :>)
wv emerging Venetians:Italians coming out of the closet.
144 upnorthlurkin // Apr 11, 2008 at 11:01 am
Good morning ladies!! We are under another winter storm warning up here. They are predicting up to a foot of new “global warming“. I am waiting for spring in vain it seems. My little tulips look so forlorn sticking up out of the snow….
Shelly - isnât it nice?! I resolved January 1st, 2006 to skip over the negative nay-bobs and it worked so well I renewed the same resolution this year! And youâre right, itâs much easier with names posted ahead of the comments. I used to have to start from the bottom and read up! (Tough on an aging brain!!)
Maggie, your son is being baptized by snow his first year up here!! They really got hit last week…2 feet of snow and theyâre in the middle of this storm too!!
Ms Righty - prayers going out daily from here too!! Keep up the good fight! Back in the pool soon! I meant to comment earlier about the great progress youâd made to the cane and walker! This is but another challenge but you have the Scrapple fanbase rooting for you, girl!
145 Shelly // Apr 11, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Hello Maggie!
UNL, sorry about the global warming youâre facing. Maggie and I donât have the heart to tell you about our weather today.
146 upnorthlurkin // Apr 11, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Itâs okay, I can take it…..It warms my heart to continue to burn, burn, burn that fossil fuel just to stay alive! Our furnaces should be off for the most part by now…..not this year!!
147 Just Ranting // Apr 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm
ET: re 124
“Nathan was a prophet. As such, he was speaking the words God told him to speak.
Are you a prophet?”
No….but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Theyâve got these books the Gideonâs leave there. Itâs amazing how much you can learn from it.
148 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Global warming soon to end here in the dirty old factory town. Blustery, gusterly day now at 71 degrees but Upnorth is trying to dump that cold weather on us.
Manyana we will see the high in the upper 40âs, then a bit cooler before spring returns next week. Tis sad, but it is April and anything can happen.
Yesterday my friend grabbed me and we spent the day in Amish country ( greedy little capitalists that they are). Good way to recuperate, but now today I am running low on energy.
I WILL return to the “Y” on Monday! It may take a bit of time before I can dance on my toes again, but I wonât stay in the pits any longer than I can.
My MS, hits me good every time my body finds a new virus to play with, but hopefully we shall move on.
I am about a week or two from my MS walk date. If y0u havenât been to the cafe lately-I am still taking pledges.
http://shellyscafe.blogspot.com/
149 Fred Sinclair // Apr 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm
A moderate Muslim is by definition an oxymoron.
If a man comes to America from one of the cannibalistic islands off New Zeland or comes here from the headhunters (with their shrunken heads) regions of the jungles of the Amazon.
In the name of tolerance will they be allowed to practice their religion here and teach cannibalism and/or headhunting to our children in our schools? Holding classes on how to shrink human heads? Publish their latest recipes of cooking with human flesh? If not; why not? Islam (the Koran) requires killing anybody that ainât them, while cannibals and headhunters are much more picky.
It might be just a matter of perspective but Islam is far far worse than an invasion of cannibals and headhunters. But then, itâs all about tolerance, and accepting other peoples traditions with due respect - right?
Heirborn Ranger
150 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 11, 2008 at 1:07 pm
P.S.
We broke the record on fewest visits to the cafe. Gee, did I say something wrong when I asked for sponsors?
Guess it is like having someone pester you on the phone for $$$âs
Wonât do that again-back to stories
151 Just Ranting // Apr 11, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Ms RW,
Iâm sending a check today. Sorry for my tardy.
152 gafisher // Apr 11, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Just in case you wondered how working class people feel, Prophet Obama has explained it:
They sound like a pretty scary bunch. Donât we.
153 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 11, 2008 at 4:40 pm
J. R.
Thanks! I hate raising money and donât want to solicit on Scottâs dime, but the money will be put to good use for research and physical needs.
If it wasnât for the MS Society my life would not be as full as it is.
None of us asked for the stupid disease but because a roll of the dice, we lost.
Trying to stay humble and asking for donations is hard. See, there I go again. Sorry Scott I will go saunter back to the cafe
154 Fred Sinclair // Apr 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm
gafisher: B. Hussein Obama must have been born with an oversized gall bladder, seeing as how he has an uncommonly large amount of gall.
November 2008 will find, I believe, that a LOT of people, when push comes to shove, will not vote the way theyâve been talking.
The “….antipathy to people who arenât like them or anti-immigrant sentiment…” quote is revealing in the absence of the word “illegal” along with the inclusion of the word “immigrant”.
The corrected translation would read (based on the dictionary) ââŠ.antipathy to people who arenât like them or anti-illegal alien sentimentâŠâ
ANTI- (also ant-)
prefix
opposed to; against
ILLEGAL |i(l)ËlÄgÉl|
adjective
contrary to or forbidden by law, esp. criminal law
ALIEN |ËÄlyÉn; ËÄlÄÉn|
adjective
belonging to a foreign country or nation.
noun
a foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living : an illegal alien.
So I guess B. Hussein Obama had a “mis-spoke” moment? But Iâm confident that the people will not “mis-spoke” come November and he will join the ranks of the wannabees ala Algore and John Fâ Kerry.
Heirborn Ranger
155 mindknumbed kid // Apr 11, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Gideon left his books at the Holiday Inn Express? I didnât realize he was contemporary with them, you can learn a lot here on SF. You can learn that when called on to give real answers and impart some real understanding in regard to a passage of scripture, a troll is not up to the task. I even tried to provoke him, but he didnât respond……what do you all make of that? IMHO, he surely canât believe the things he says here, I think he is just looking for ways to get a “rise” out of someone here.
Darth - it appears as though Wright has always been wrong. Iâm willing to bet Screwy Louie doesnât have a problem with Wrightâs wrongs.
156 mindknumbed kid // Apr 11, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Ahh, yes. Amish country, we used to go to a great big restaurant in the middle of nowhere, a ways from New Philadelphia, Ohio. Mighty good vittles, yummmy Amish cookinâ! If you ever get to New Philadephia go to Wartherâs Museum, or is it Whartherâs? It is worth your time and a long trip to see what Ernest W. was able to do with nothinâ more than a second grade education. Hey, if you never go how are you gonna know how much you shouldâve gone? Have you ever been there Ms. RightWing, Ink?
157 Ms RightWing, Ink // Apr 11, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I have been to New Philly on several occasions but never been to the Museum. I will check it out next time through
The restaurant was probably the Der Dutchman in Wilmot-not far as the crow flies. It is a huge operation with lots of fattening pies to keep travelers and touristâs happy. That is where we lunched. And yes, the chicken was good.
The Amish Door is pretty popular but they have not been around as long as the other place was.
I always go to the bulk food store, Ashery Country Store in Fredricksburg and load up on my herbs, spices, grains and German sausage, then go to Charm and buy a half wheel of Baby Swiss Cheese
I now have a boatload of stuff to put away but it will keep my oven happy.
158 mindknumbed kid // Apr 11, 2008 at 9:11 pm
That sounds familiar…..ma and pa wre always the guides, going right where my sister told them to.
159 Darthmeister // Apr 11, 2008 at 9:16 pm
From independent embed reporter Michael Yon:
It is said that generals always fight the last war. But when David Petraeus came to town it was senators â on both sides of the aisle â who battled over the Iraq war of 2004-2006. That war has little in common with the war we are fighting today.
I may well have spent more time embedded with combat units in Iraq than any other journalist alive. I have seen this war â and our part in it â at its brutal worst. And I say the transformation over the last 14 months is little short of miraculous. . . .
This leads us to the most out-of-date aspect of the Senate debate: the argument about the pace of troop withdrawals. Precisely because we have made so much political progress in the past year, rather than talking about force reduction, Congress should be figuring ways and means to increase troop levels. For all our successes, we still do not have enough troops. This makes the fight longer and more lethal for the troops who are fighting. To give one example, I just returned this week from Nineveh province, where I have spent probably eight months between 2005 to 2008, and it is clear that we remain stretched very thin from the Syrian border and through Mosul. Vast swaths of Nineveh are patrolled mostly by occasional overflights.
We know now that we can pull off a successful counterinsurgency in Iraq. We know that we are working with an increasingly willing citizenry. But counterinsurgency, like community policing, requires lots of boots on the ground. You canât do it from inside a jet or a tank.
And whatâs the best cure for radical Islam? Exposure to radical Islam. If you can believe this … this story actually comes from the New York Slimes no less!
After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach. In two months of interviews with 40 young people in five Iraqi cities, a pattern of disenchantment emerged, in which young Iraqis, both poor and middle class, blamed clerics for the violence and the restrictions that have narrowed their lives.
âI hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us,â said Sara, a high school student in Basra. âMost of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they donât deserve to be rulers.â
Atheer, a 19-year-old from a poor, heavily Shiite neighborhood in southern Baghdad, said: âThe religion men are liars. Young people donât believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore.â
Fred, since every Muslim fundamentalist (and any serious Koran thumping Muslim is a fundamentalist) believes in an eventual Islamic Global Caliphate brought about at the point of a sword, I guess the only true “moderate Muslim” is a former Muslim … or at least a completely westernized Muslim!
160 Possumtrot // Apr 12, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Aww, who cares? Yawn. Hillary…losers personified. How can a white woman win against a black man? This oneâs over, except for running Osama Bamalama against the Republican candidate.
I love to blow things up, and when the party of weakness assumes the White House, backed by Pelosiâs do-nothings, Iâm going to accumulate a tremendous visceral thrill when something tall and majestic comes rumbling down in America.
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