(2007-11-14) — Democrat presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton today said she supports New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer’s decision to drop his plan to issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens as vigorously as she had backed his effort to issue such licenses in the first place.
“I support what governors are trying to do to address illegal immigration,” said Sen. Clinton, “whether they’re taking action to change the system, like Gov. Spitzer was, or caving to political pressure to maintain the broken system, like Gov. Spitzer did today. I think it makes a lot of sense, and simply highlights the failure of George Bush to take Spitzer-like leadership on immigration.”
Asked whether her statement means that states should not issue driver’s licenses to illegal aliens, Sen. Clinton denied it and accused a reporter of trying to “play gotcha.”
“I didn’t say he shouldn’t do it, nor that he should,” said Sen. Clinton, “I only said I recognize that whatever he does I can understand because George Bush makes us all do irrational things.”
35 responses so far ↓
1 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Number One again, oh the joy!
2 Libby Gone // Nov 14, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Did her Thighness also indicate that while shes not right she is also not left, that would be wrong. So she decided to not decide that her views are the views the right want you to see as wrong. Whats left? Its not right whatever it is she wants you to believe and you would be wrong if you are right. I hope that clears it up.
-Department of Repeated Redundancy Dept.
3 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Illegal is illegal, not “undocumented”. The burglars who enters an unlocked door without permission, is a criminal none the less; but, shouldn’t “locking the door” be higher on the list, than just complaining about burglars.
If criminal penalties are charges are brought against employers who hire “Illegals” they will all go home. If financial aid is requested, shouldn’t that come in the form of a bus ticket billed to Mexico?
When “Illegals” are found in the United States shouldn’t we at least document that they are illegal, until the buses arrive.
Maybe this should be treated like it may be a terrorist threat of, equal or, greater importance than our occupation of Iraq.
You (he doesn’t listen to me) should demand Dumbyah guard our borders! He could deploy troops there tomorrow! He says he’s “The Commander Guy” you know?
If you don’t, and the worst happens, he will say “how could I have known” and “lets not play the blame game”, or “it’s just politics”.
ET
4 gafisher // Nov 14, 2007 at 2:08 pm
I hope those reporter guys don’t gang up on her again.
5 gafisher // Nov 14, 2007 at 2:12 pm
ET, when the burglar enters the unlocked door should we give him a comfortable chair to sit in? Does it make sense to at least politely ask him to leave?
6 boberinyetagain // Nov 14, 2007 at 2:39 pm
gafisher, not the “comfy chair”, that could be construed as cruel and unusual (or in our current way of seeing these things it might be considered “cruel and usual” but it’s still just wrong!)
7 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 2:42 pm
gafisher,
LOCK THE DOOR FIRST! I have noticed there are many more on the porch!
Forget the chair! Never mind asking him to leave, because he won’t do that.
My wife had her car totaled by an illegal. He could have killed her! He had a forged drivers license, and never even bothered to show up in court. That was six years ago.
If we can’t put them on a bus immediately (and we can’t because there are so many), we need to document their illegal status, with real ID. That might at least make it easier to round them up later.
Maybe it would be better if you didn’t get all your information about Democrats from the RNC and other smart alec wingnuts!
8 woodnwheel // Nov 14, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Scott:
“I support what governors are trying to do to address illegal immigration,” said Sen. Clinton, “whether they’re taking action to change the system, like Gov. Spitzer was, or caving to political pressure to maintain the broken system, like Gov. Spitzer did today. I think it makes a lot of sense, and simply highlights the failure of George Bush to take Spitzer-like leadership on immigration.”
Brilliant work once again! “I think it makes a lot of sense…” = pure gold!
9 Hawkeye // Nov 14, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Bravo Scott! Another classic.
10 Hawkeye // Nov 14, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Everthink #3,
This is truly frightening, but for once I agree with you…
You (he doesn’t listen to me) should demand Dumbyah guard our borders!
I have indeed sent a letter to President Bush, but he didn’t listen to me either.
11 Fred Sinclair // Nov 14, 2007 at 4:26 pm
LOCK THE DOOR FIRST?
FIRST should be affording the burglar a real close look at the brass bead attached to his end of the shotgun barrel. Being on the wrong end - a 12 bore looks to be the size of the Holland Tunnel. SECOND would be to lock the door (so he can’t get back out) THIRD call the police, FOURTH if he sneezes, causing the accidental discharge of the weapon, or if the police arrive first, unlock the door and let them in. FIFTH wave goodbye to him as he leaves with the police or ambulance. SIXTH keep shotgun always handy.
This plan should work well with illegals also.
Illegal, undocumented - who gives a flying flip? I am an undocumented Border Patrol Agent for wht it’s worth.
My only question is a simple one “WHERE’S THE FENCE?” Get it built first - then deal with the mop up.
Employers being fined $1,000 per day for each day the illegal worked or $25,000 whichever is greater. That should bring the hiring of illegals to a screeching halt.
Forfit the citizenship of any children born to illegals while in the USA, if one or both parents are illegal.
Heirborn Ranger
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13 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Well, thanks for saying so Hawkeye!
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15 Beerme // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:02 pm
How could it be that someone (yes, make that two someones-but I’ll bet there’s plenty more) agree that Bush has done a poor job of dealing with illegal immigration? Isn’t this a wing-nut echo chamber? Would we find such truthful criticism of a Lefty at DU or DailyKos? Nah!
Not only that, but at those websites a troll would have been excommunicated by the third post…
No matter how bad Bush has been on this subject(and he has been bad), the mainstream Dems would be much, much worse. How would Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid handle the problem? Spitzer? Hillary?
I rest my case!
16 gafisher // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:05 pm
ET Re#7 — I don’t understand where your closing comment came from but you were making sense up until then.
17 mindknumbed kid // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Does a burglar burgle because the doors are not locked ?Are the undocumented here just because there is no fence ? They both have no respect for the private property rights of their victims. By all means, lock the doors, build the fences, but don’t expect that to eliminate the problem.
18 camojack // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Rather than a “gotcha”, this one was practically a “gimme”…
19 mindknumbed kid // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:38 pm
I get my ideas about Democrats by seeing and hearing the immoral and anti-christian positions that the top dogs make and then ponder why anyone that has any decency doesn’t dissassociate with them, if you don’t agree with it then speak up. If they do not recant their position I would not have any choice but leave them to their Godlessness.
20 mindknumbed kid // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Man takes notice of the outward appearance, but God looks inside their heart. It ain’t what good things a person does that God measures us by.All our good ain’t a bit good at all.
Fear God and live….
21 Michelle Malkin » Spot the spoof // Nov 14, 2007 at 8:49 pm
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22 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 14, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Mexicans dealing drugs in Ohio, nah, not here
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/14598035/detail.html
23 prettyold // Nov 14, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Oh oh,Everthink ,someone else is posting under your name.We all know how loyal to the Democrat Party you are, and that you would Neverthink to disagree with them.
24 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 10:27 pm
gafisher,
“ET, when the burglar enters the unlocked door should we give him a comfortable chair to sit in? Does it make sense to at least politely ask him to leave?”
Many times here, one person or another has mockingly expressed the view that Democrats are “soft” on a variety of important issues related to national defense, prosecution and punishment of criminals, and social welfare issues. This appears to be just another example such mockery!
25 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 10:30 pm
gafisher,
See 23, for the latest such entry! It appears prettyold has defined me and my party.
Ain’t she sweet?
26 egospeak // Nov 14, 2007 at 11:02 pm
ET, re: 137 & 139 3 threads back.
For as long as I can remember Democrats have had the reputation of being the party of compassion, the party that looks after the little guy, while Republicans have had the reputation as the party of fat cats and lassez-faire capitalism.
The foundation for this reputation (democrats) was laid during the early years of FDR’s presidency. Social Security was, perhaps, the centerpiece of the foundation.
Democrats were not exactly shrinking violets when it came to military and when and how to use it, although there are those (Ann Coulter among them) who would argue that Democrats have been the party of surrender since the 1860’s. I’m not going to make that argument, as it was Democrats who were in charge when WW2 was won, when we got involved in Korea and when Vietnam was escalated. I’m not making any moral or political judgements about any of those conflicts, I am simply listing what I believe you meant when you refered to the democratic principles of FDR’s time.
You wrote, “The principles seem similar to those of today“, and then asked when I thought the Democrats had changed. Here is what I think.
I believe the seeds of the current Democrat party were planted in January of 1955 (2 weeks before I was born) when the new Democrat Congress was sworn in, a Congress that would remain in power until January of 1995. While the seeds were planted in 1955, it wasn’t until 1967-68 that they started to bloom with the opposition to the war in Vietnam. The Chicago Convention was a key part of this as was Kent State in May 1970. By the election in 1972 anti-war activists had more or less taken over the Party and by the election of 1974 the takeover was complete. That was the end of the first phase.
Phase two began with the election of Ronald Reagan. Liberal Democrats couldn’t believe that the people of America could have been take in by that “amiable dunce”, not just once…but TWICE. The key moment during the Reagan administration was the confirmation hearing for Robert Bork as Associate Justice of the Supreme Court. That was the beginning of the politics of personal destruction.
The third phase began with the election of a Republican Congress in November of 1994. The key moment was actually 7 years earlier when the Fairness Doctrine was scuttled, conservative talk radio began its ascent and the MSM finally had some competition. If it had not been for conservative talk radio pointing out the utter corruption of the Democrat party (the abuses of the House bank, the check kiting scandel, etc) the socialist plans of the Clinton administration, (HillaryHealth) while at the same time trumpeting the Contract with America, it is unlikely that Republicans would have won a majority in 1994. Conservative talk radio has been under attack since then. Is it any wonder that President Clinton accused Rush Limbaugh in specific and talk radio in general for the bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City in 1995?
The road to impeachment in 1998 led to the next phase, with the creation of web sites like Moveon.org. This was accelerated by the election of 2000 and the refusal of the steadily growing leftwing fringe to accept that Bush had actually won. Bush was regarded as illegitimate and the “stolen ” election of 2004 only served to reinforce this notion. The increasing influence of the fringe far far left eventually culminated in the claim, “We own the party, we bought and paid for it.” The fringe was finally the mainstream, and because Republicans abandoned their principles and embraced corruption, the far left fringe, in the persona of Pelosi, Murtha, Reid, Durbin and the likeminded came to power with the election of 2006.
I don’t view this as a conspiracy and the use of the word “phase” is not intended to imply any such thing. It simply makes it easier to breakdown the timeline.
As far as the Democrats being the party of compassion and the little guy, I’m not sure that that was ever true. I do not mean to impune the intentions of those who created Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC, Food Stamps and all the other programs that are ostensibly meant to help the poor. I have little doubt that for the most part, their intentions were pure. But what about the unintended side effects?
They (we) have created an underclass that are unable to care for themselves and are almost fully dependent on government services to survive. They (we) have created a mentality that says, “I don’t have to take care of myself, I don’t have to save for retirement, somebody else should pay for my healthcare, food, clothing, and housing to boot! I’m entitled.”
I believe that in much the same manner as the anti-war and far left fringe changed and took over the Democrat party, the (supposedly) socially conscious were eventually replaced by those who simply mouth the platitudes just to gain or cement their power, regardless of the side effects.
I want to believe the best about people, even those I disagree with, so I can accept that 70 years ago the Democrats considered that it was better to, “give a man a fish, and maybe we can teach him to fish later, but right now he is starving and needs it immediately.” Now, the Democrat party seems to say, “give the man a fish, and who cares whether we can teach him to fish for himself, that’s too much to expect of any man, and besides, it’s nobodies business whether he is able to or not and what difference does it make???? Society, which is really at fault for his condition is going to pay for it anyway!!”
Bottom line, short version, the principles may appear to be the same, but they are not…and like most things, they changed over the course of time. I’m sorry it was so long for such a simple answer.
I hope this answered your question.
Regards,
27 mindknumbed kid // Nov 14, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Where on earth would a person get the idea that the dems are soft on things like crime and national defense ?
The movers and shakes of the democrat party define it, if that isn’t the way the average member thinks, then they ought to speak up and be heard.
28 everthink // Nov 14, 2007 at 11:56 pm
egospeak,
A very well reasoned piece! I appreciate your effort.
While I see some things I would take issue with immediately, please let me spend a day, or two studying your comments.
Thanks,
ET
29 Darthmeister // Nov 15, 2007 at 7:14 am
When it comes to a license plan I think it’s more important to license every liberal moonbat since they are a deadly weapon by being an ever-present threat to every decent, hard-working America who doesn’t want to be taxed or nannied into oblivion.
30 Darthmeister // Nov 15, 2007 at 7:25 am
Well done, egospeak, but you will soon find it does no good speaking truth to moonbats. Neverthink will simply open up his left-wing playbook (all the while protesting how mainstream he is) and start spewing left-wing conspiracy theories; throw in a few references to Dick Cheny and Halliburton; regale us again about how Barry Goldwater was the unchanging bedrock of conservatism and it was we, not him, who abandoned those ideals he first promoted in the 1960s (snicker); how we’re losing in Iraq and Afghanistan; call President Bush “Dumbya”; and then call someone here a chickenhawk.
That’s how moonbats “win” arguments today.
31 egospeak // Nov 15, 2007 at 7:43 am
ET,
Thank you. Take your time. I look forward to your comments.
BTW, in one of your posts (137 I think) you spoke of when you were a conservative… what changed and why?
Regards,
32 everthink // Nov 15, 2007 at 10:47 am
Egospeak,
I will try to answer your last question in my reply to your observation about the Democrat Party.
Do you remember Lee Atwater?
ET
33 everthink // Nov 15, 2007 at 10:49 am
Darthmeister,
Get thee behind me!
ET
34 everthink // Nov 15, 2007 at 11:20 am
Darthmeister,
Re: 29
Maybe, you could hire Blackwater to try to do that for you, Chickenhawk!
35 Atilla_the_Hun // Nov 18, 2007 at 6:58 am
Bumper sticker:
Life is a [deleted], you don’t have to vote for One.
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