(2006-11-30) — As copies of the still-secret Iraq Study Group report recommending a “gradual but meaningful” reduction in U.S. troops leaked from security-cleared officials to the news media, President George Bush said he’s hoping to get his own copy of the report for Christmas.
“I’ve asked Santa Clause and Laura for one,” said Mr. Bush, “but if they don’t get me an Iraq Study Group report, I’ll order it at dubya dubya dubya dot Amazon dot com, on the internets.”
The president added that he’s about to release his own report calling for a “gradual but meaningful reduction in the number of traitors within our government who leak information to the enemy through the news media.”
133 responses so far ↓
1 camojack // Nov 30, 2006 at 7:42 am
He could just wait for it to be in the NYT…
2 seneuba // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:19 am
God, please show your mercy on our nation and it’s leaders.
3 gafisher // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:21 am
But wait!
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o A signed copy of “The Pentagon Papers”
o Valery Plame’s Address Book
o The White House Blueprints
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4 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:21 am
I’ve asked my wife to get me one of them there I-RACK studies for Christmas!
5 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:22 am
or was that I-ROCK… can’t remember now.
6 seneuba // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:23 am
Does “gradual but meaningful reduction in…traitors” indicate a coming closure of the LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, Minneapolis (Red) Star & Tribune, etc.?
It’d be a start
7 MargeinMI // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:24 am
Regarding that last paragraph: Would that be supeanas and charges of treason?
8 MargeinMI // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:27 am
mig, re: your request for prayer #45 last thread-on the fast track.
I was gonna ask Santa for a new (small) deep freezer, but now I’ve decided what I really, really, really, REALLY want for Christmas (hopefully very early) is a starter for my minivan! sigh.
9 Fred Sinclair // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:38 am
We couldn’t be guilty of discrimination - that wouldn’t fly with the Liberal Left because they don’t believe in discrininating against anyone, anywhere, ever!
So we can’t discriminate against our troops overseas in other countries, by selectively bringing “home” only those troops in Iraq - right?
I guess we’ll have to hire civillian correction officers to replace our troops stationed at Club Gitmo.
England, Germany, Italy, South Korea, the Philippines etc. will just have to get along without our troops stationed in their countries (and all the billions of dollars) oh yes, and the military in all of our embassies around the world.
We could then redeploy all of them to guard our southern border (BINO = Border In Name Only)
Heirborn Ranger
10 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:41 am
So the much vaunted “Iraq Study” is suggesting a “gradual but meaningful” cut-and-run, eh? Buwahahahahahaha. You know, this is precisely the kind of useless rhetoric I expected from those self-aggrandizing nitwits.
Fifth gradersfirst graders could have come up with that!I guess if you can’t blind them with your brilliance (which is clearly lacking in this case), then confuse them with your BS. Sheesh.
11 Maggie // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:44 am
Darth re#10….It’s no secret that you always hit the nail on the head.Well said!
12 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:15 am
Attaboy Chickenhank, fight to somebody else’s last son.
At least in Vietnam, Bush had an exit strategery!
13 Rock Slatestone // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:21 am
Thanks again Al Gore for inventing the internet…it is soooo Koool.
14 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:21 am
Good Morning friends and foe alike.
I am so far behind in my reading that I have no idea when or how I could get around to read the Iraq Study Group.. As I perused through the pages I feel the plot is somewhat thin and the story itself, can’t hold my attention.
I find more excitement reading the 2007 Far Side calender.
p.s. 2007! How did that ever happen. Last I remember is someone handing me that funny cigarette in 1969. cough
15 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:23 am
Thanks Maggie. The only thing I’m surprised about is the “Iraq Study” didn’t suggest we redeploy our troops to Okinawa.
#3 gafisher. Bingo, bango, bongo. Buwahahahaha.
Colin Powell says world should recognize Iraq at civil war…
If you were so brilliant, sir, you would realize its a Proxy War between Syria and Iran which would necessitate America keeping the troops right where they for Mid-East stability.
Ahmadinejad to Americans: Stop ‘blind support’ for Israel…
And blindly support Palestinian Islamofascism, eh Ahmadaboutjihad? No jangaweed for you, sir. Oh, too late.
Says USA governs by coercion…
Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, only the pot has been governing by coercion as a matter of Islamic principle for a long time. Go fish.
OUT OF CONTROL: DEVITO IN ‘VIEW’ BUSH BASH…
Ho hum, another unhinged Hollyweird moonbat. Despite Devito’s subsequent apology I’m not spending another dime on any movie he’s in.
16 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:26 am
Hmmm, I see laughing gasbag still hasn’t acted on his/her/its rhetoric and volunteered to be a human shield to fill in the ranks on the frontiers of freedom when our troops do redeploy to Okinawa.
Remember, there is no age limit or physical to pass to be an anti-war human shield acting on his/her/its rhetoric of peace-in-our-time. Some global citizen, chickendove.
17 kajun // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:29 am
Marginmi Re: #8
Usually, when someone thinks their vehicle needs a starter; what it really needs is a battery or battery cable.
The common scenario:
Replace starter—still won’t crank.
Replace battery cable end with a genuine Rube Goldberg one—still won’t crank. Always replace the entire cable, if one is needed.
Replace battery—cranks right up
If Alt light stays lit; alternator or belt was the real problem.
18 Just Ranting // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:33 am
Next Wednesday is the Feast of St Nicholas. When I was a child we held the tradition of placing our shoes outside our front door on the evening before, and St Nicholas would leave candy and small coins in them if you were good. If you were bad you would find sticks and coal in them as a warning to shape up before Christmas. (Yes, we still heated homes with coal back then.)
Perhaps President Bush might sneak out on St. Nicholas Eve and swap shoes with Sandy Berger. There is no telling what treats he might find in them.
19 onlineanalyst // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:51 am
Cliff Notes® already has the less-than-easy-to-digest format out of the Fabulous Baker Boys’ “study,” subtitled “Appeasemnt” or “How I Learned to Love Islamofascism and Accept the ‘Final Solution’ for the Jews”.
Excellent piece by Gerecht on the meaninglessness of negotiating from a position of weakness: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/979hctwt.asp?pg=1
The summary paragraph says it all:
“To negotiate successfully in the Middle East, you have to convince the denizens that you have and are willing to use power. To enter into a conference-assuming the Syrians and the Iranians would deign to participate-from a position of weakness is to guarantee that you exit weaker than when you went in. And the last thing the Bush administration needs now is to appear any more feeble. If for some reason the president feels compelled to try to convene such a conference or bilateral talks with Syria or Iran on Iraq, he would do America’s diplomats a big favor by announcing first that 50,000 new troops are on their way to Mesopotamia and that we intend to slug this out until we win. Covertly but noticeably, the United States should also start high-altitude observation flights over Iran’s nuclear facilities. More naval activity in the Persian Gulf would help, too. If the Syrians and the Iranians were entering negotiations with us, that’s what they’d do.”
Wow! Colin Powell and Jimmy Carter should double date sometime. Their understanding of “proxy wars” is so limited that they must think it has something to do with being the dumb blonds that they are proving to be. Yes, sir, Jimmy: 444 days of delight in Iran must have been the fault of the Joooooooos, too.
Now, to settle back in my I-Rock-er to scope out the NYT’s interpretation of the “Study”…
20 wildhowd // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:14 am
Good luck getting it George, I order a copy of the Sandy Burgler documents (only the ones that were in his socks) from Amazon and they still haven’t shipped it.
21 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:56 am
ChickenDove you say?
Well, Braveheart, remember me? I volunteered for military service to defend this land, as did my son, and every generation of my fore-fathers back to 1776!
You on the other hand seem to see yourself as a kind of rear echelon (way back) command type, with no time in service. Your talk is cheap, and worse, to hear you push others out front to protect you.
I won’t be an anti-war human shield, but your dumb headed and short-sighted support of this war has enabled another ignorant, blustering, chickenhawk to dig us into this hole, thereby playing into the hands of America’s enemies.
Maybe you might try to get your mind around strategic redeployment to avoid defeat! We need a withdrawal to regroup, repair, and actually assess our situation before further action. Our military is nearly spent!
You continue to hype this as “America’s last stand”; well, I’ve heard that before, and since you’ve been wrong about every aspect of this thing from the first, maybe it would be best not to put all our troops on the front, and leave our rear unprotected.
22 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 11:20 am
+ Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map
+ Iran wants nuclear weapons
+ Iran wants to dominate the Middle East
+ Iran wants America out of Iraq
Therefore…
+ America must stay in Iraq
Q.E.D.
23 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 11:44 am
Q.E.D. my B.U.T.
+ Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. ~ Israel is not America. Israel can take care of itself.
+ Iran wants nuclear weapons. ~ North Korea, Pakistan, India, China, Russia already have Nukes.
+ Iran wants to dominate the Middle East. ~ Islam already does.
+ Iran wants America out of Iraq. ~ We have reached accord!
Therefore:
+ America need NOT stay in Iraq
24 gafisher // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:03 pm
LaughingEwe#23 — If someone threatens to burn down my neighbor’s house it makes sense for me to do more than watch. Regarding nukes, NoKo, Pakistan et al don’t operate on a “suicide bomber” military doctrine. As for Islam, Iran is to Islam what Jim Jones was to Christianity.
Don’t drink the Kool-Aid. We MUST stay in Iraq for as long as the Iraqi people want us, and they do.
25 Fred Sinclair // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:10 pm
Therefore
+ America need NOT stay in Iraq
Well said! I don’t know of even one Frenchman who could have stated it more coherently. I do not think we should stay in Iraq after the job is completed any longer than we’ve stayed in Germany after that job was completed. (sixty one years and still counting). We should leave when we are no longer wanted or needed.
According to NBC this morning, more people have been killed in Washington DC than have been killed in all of Iraq during the same time frame.
Heirborn Ranger
26 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:22 pm
LaughingStock,
+ Israel is America’s ally
+ America must support its allies
+ NoKo, et al. have not threatened a U.S. ally
+ NoKo, et al. are not sending IEDs & terrorists into Iraq
+ Islam is not a country, but Iran is
+ Ahmadinejad is a nut-job fanatic
+ We cannot turn Iraq over to the nut-jobs
27 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:25 pm
Yes, Bravo39, we are well aware of your pedigree which you flaunt here. But my question still stands, given this new chapter in your life of no-war-for-oil and Bush’s immoral and illegal war in Iraq, and given the clear need of the Iraqi people for some sense of stability while they establish a new elected government, when will you act on your rhetoric of “peace” and volunteer to be a human shield to take the place of U.S. Marines and the other band of Brothers that you’ve disrespected with your insistence that this is an evil and ignoble war that they are engaged in.
I’m tired of your Orwellian self-justifications and endless recitation of real bravery exhibited by your ancestors, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO to stand in the gap to bring the peace you so glibly preach about to the Iraqi and Afghani people? THERE IS NOTHING PREVENTING YOU FROM BEING A HUMAN SHIELD since that’s what your screed so clearly points you toward. Actually everything you condemn me for applies to you since there is an avenue open to you to act on your rhetoric of peace-in-our-time. Why do you continue to refuse to serve your fellow man in the way that your ideological construct demands you to, unless, of course, it demands you sit at home and criticize the mission of your band of brothers presently engage in a common enemy to western civilization and America as we presently know it.
28 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:26 pm
P.S. — Even the appeasers at the U.N. think Ahmadenijad’s anti-Semitic comments go to far… or hadn’t you heard?
29 Ghoti // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:30 pm
LAY, please permit me to interject a few thoughts, since I seem to meet your mandated qualifications for commenters (I and my two immediate fore-fathers enlisted to serve).
We can only hope that your supposed service-oriented ancestors didn’t exhibit the same signs of ignorance and cowardice. Perhaps one of them was Benedict Arnold, who was also a patriotic hero before becoming a seditionary hero.
It’s interesting that a supposed veteran alleges that fighting terrorists elements in Iraq, while never losing a battle, is “playing into the hands of America’s enemies,” while aiding and abetting our enemies with seditious rhetoric and behavior at home is not. Actually, and ironically, fighting terrorists in Iraq certainly is an example “playing into the hands of America’s enemies” if her enemies are the extreme leftists who would sacrifice national defense for political gain.
“Strategic redeployment” is a tactic currently being used by Israel in the Palestinian conflict (as enforced by U.N. mandate, of course). I assert that the Palestinians are using the intermission to re-arm, regroup, repair and assess their situation before further action. They will be much better equipped to accomplish their goal of removing the nation of Israel from the face of the earth when the conflict resumes.
The same is true in Iraq. By the time we could re-redeploy back into the conflict there (after regrouping, repairing and re-assessing), the enemy forces we would face would be formidable and the situation much more dire than it is today.
“…maybe it would be best not to put all our troops on the front… Do we currently have “all our troops on the front,” or is it closer to 10%? “…and leave our rear unprotected.” Clearly that has not been the case, with the remaining 90% having effectively ensured that there have been no attacks on our mainland since 9/11.
Our national fore-fathers used intelligent reasoning founded in historical awareness when they placed national defense decisions in the hands of civilian leaders, not active or past/retired military personnel. That has proven to be wise for 230 years, and the protestations that decisions are made by those with no war-time experience is contrary to the dictates of our Constitution.
I appreciate your supposed past military service, but that record of service gives neither of us any insight or added authority in matters of national defense decisions.
30 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:41 pm
Heirborn Ranger, you may have misspoken. What NBC reported was more Americans died in Washington D.C. during the same timeframe than American soldiers have died in Iraq. And I’ll always maintain that statistically speaking it is far safer for any American to walk in the streets of Baghdad than to be in the womb of your typical anti-war moonbat female today.
Actually, what is even more interesting is the fact more American soldiers died during “peace time” under the Clinton Administration than they have engaged in fighting a worthy and noble cause against Islamofascist kooks in Iraq.
Of course demagogues like Laughing gasbag/Bravo39 will whine that we are comparing apples with oranges or that we’re “playing with numbers” - yeah like they don’t do it themselves in spades, right?
Just recently we were treated to the brain-dead left-wing lament that the war in Iraq has lasted more days than World War II despite the fact that President Bush has clearly stated numerous times that this war against Islamofascism is like no war before and it may continue past this generation! So though the moonbats want to make a big deal about how many days the war in Iraq against al Qaeda and indigenous Muslim sectarian kooks has lasted, they ignore the other comparison which doesn’t work in their favor of 428,000 Americans dying in the same timeframe in WWII as compared to 2800 in Iraq. More Americans died taking some godforsaken island named Iwo Jima near the end of the war (March-May 1945) than have died in the entire war against Islamofascism to date!
Shameless ideologues like Bravo 39 have no real sense of history unless it comes to stroking their own egos about the exploits of their ancestors.
31 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:47 pm
Darth,
Laughing boy doesn’t HAVE to be a human shield. As a peace activist, he has options. He and his friends can…
+ Conduct a peace march in downtown Baghdad
+ Conduct a peace march in downtown Tehran
+ Demand the U.N. to MAKE peace
+ Meet with Al-Qaeda in Iraq and demand them to leave
+ Meet with al-Sadr and ask him to disarm
+ Show al-Maliki THEIR plans to achieve peace
+ Save time and convert to Islam now
32 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:53 pm
Gay fisher:
“If someone threatens to burn down my neighbors house it makes sense for me to do more than watch.”
Well, I agree with you about your neighbors house; but about Israel is not your neighbor house. Israel is not even in Americas neighborhood. Israel does not always act in Americas interest. Just what is it Israel does for Americaanyway? Has Israel ever sent troops, or aid to America?Where ere they during Katrina? Oh yeh, where was the U. S. during the Yom Kippur War, or the The Six Day War? Israel doesnt need us on the ground.
Suicide bombing is not military doctrine. It is a fanatical activity carried out by religious extremists. It would be employed by the religious right, which has a good deal more to do with Jim Jones than Jesus Christ, if they had they courage, and they thought they could find seventy-two virgins in America.
Dont drink the Kool-Aid! Hey Gay, Scrappleface is a Kool-Aid Station.
“We MUST stay in Iraq for as long as the Iraqi people want us, and they do.” Where do you get you information anyway; From Hank?
Try this:
More broadly, 79 percent of Iraqis say that the US is having a negative influence on the situation in Iraq, with just 14 percent saying that it is having a positive influence.
A large majority of Iraqis71%say they would like the Iraqi government to ask for US-led forces to be withdrawn from Iraqwithin a year or less. Given four options, 37 percent take the position that they would like US-led forces withdrawn within six months, while another 34 percent opt for gradually withdraw[ing] US-led forces according to a one-year timeline.
Support for attacks against US-led forces has increased sharply to 61 percent (27% strongly, 34% somewhat). This represents a 14-point increase from January 2006, when only 47 percent of Iraqis supported attacks.
Program on International Policy Attitudes released a Poll on September 27, 2006
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/sep06/Iraq_Sep06_rpt.pdf
33 Ghoti // Nov 30, 2006 at 12:59 pm
Darthmeister, we both seem to have a problem with remembering to close tags.
“…it is far safer for any American to walk in the streets of Baghdad than to be in the womb of your typical anti-war moonbat female today.” That’s funny stuff, even comparible to the ingenious thoughts of the great Scott Ott himself. With your permission, I intend to quote you on leftist hate-sites.
Actually, in Iraq we have suffered about 2,300 KIA, not 2,800, with 571 non-combat related deaths included in the oft-quoted total. In Afghanistan, 45% of our troops’ death have been non-combat related.
34 Ghoti // Nov 30, 2006 at 1:11 pm
Wow, LAY, polling results from the citizenry of a war zone. Impressive stuff!
35 Ghoti // Nov 30, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Did the polling respondants express an opinion on whether our troops should remove their body and vehicle armor while waiting for redeployment orders?
36 gafisher // Nov 30, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Laugh#32: I’m not gay, but I am pleased you’ve confirmed my arguments by moving directly to argumentum ad hominem, a tacit admission of defeat.
As for the popularity polls, just as we’ve seen so often in the US, nothing less than a real secret-ballot election reveals what people honestly think. In a country where the wrong answer to a question might get you shot, street polls are worse than useless.
37 GnuCarSmell // Nov 30, 2006 at 1:39 pm
A leak from an unidentified source has revealed that today is the end of the 2006 hurricane season, in which not a single category one storm hit the United States. The source also revealed that Al Gore is suing The Great Universal Force of Secular Truth (a.k.a. Mother Nature) for not delivering the devastating hurricanes he promised. The end of the world as we know it has been postponed until 2007…
38 Fred Sinclair // Nov 30, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Laughing @you rself-cryinginourbeer - - you are soooo funny. Your ignorance of the facts is so laughable that you must be reading Mikey Moore’s maggot infested garbage. Is he your hero? Or did Dickey Durbin and Dingy Harry send you an email, filled with their “facts”
Believing in the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa Claus does NOT make you an expert on the war on terror as much as you seem to think it does. It’s maggots like you that forced our cut and run action in Viet Nam and you’re not going to get away with it a second time.
The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing and you Laughing@you rself are evil since I know of no greater evil than cowardice in the face of the enemy and treason (dilligently working to overthrow your government) your comments serve no purpose but to give aid and comfort to the enemy. You are not even as good as Colin Powell (and he’s no prize)
39 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 1:56 pm
Well Hank, this is disgusting!
Your link: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/us-lost-more-soldiers-annually-under.html
Results taken from Iraq Coalition Casualties and Murdoc Online - Official Department of Defense Report
The Iraq Coalition Casualties link seems legitimate.
Official Department of Defense Report link is a link back to itself (Murdoc Online)
Murdoc Online link: is a bogus blog by another idiot!
About says:
“My first name is “Shelby”. My last name is not “Murdoc”, though that’s the callsign I go by online.”
There’s a “Support A Sniper In The War On Terrorism” Americansnipers.org ad at the bottom of the page.
A comment says:
Aplomb said… This post is highly misleading. You are comparing all deaths in the Clinton years (including accident, sickness, homicide, etc.) to just combat fatalities in Iraq.
If you look at the DoD report you linked to, you will see that the actual comparable numbers show a marked increase since the war began.
For example, the true comparable numbers show that during Clinton’s years, the fatalities from all causes were a high of 1293 in 1992 to a low of 768 in 2000. (Generally, fatalities declined almost every year during the Clinton years due to fewer fatal accidents and illnesses.)
Compared to the 768 deaths due to all causes in Clinton’s last year, the chart shows 1410 in 2003 and 1887 in 2004, both of which are higher than the 938 average number you have calculated for the Clinton years. Presumably 2005 and 2006 are and will also be higher. If you want to be honest and have your chart compare apples to apples, those are the numbers you have to look at.
Or, just compare combat deaths. Interestingly, there was but a single combat death during the Clinton years, or .125 deaths per year. That is the true and accurate figure that should be used to contrast with the average figure you calculated for the Iraq war: .125 vs. 789.
As always your proofs are either completely false, or the opinion of another “Wingnut”.
40 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:02 pm
Fred Sinclair,
“Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men.”
41 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Gay,
I’m not a Ewe, either. Take your satisfaction where you imagine you see reason.
42 Bill's Bites // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:16 pm
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43 antodav // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Laughing@you
Suicide bombing is not an act of courage. It is an act of extreme cowardice. Christianity, unlike Islam, preaches the spreading of the faith through missionary work, preaching, and other peaceful means of evangelizing. But I woudln’t expect you to understand that, your anti-religious bigotry being as obvious as it is.
If you fail to see the reason why it’s important for the United States to protect Israel-the only real democracy in the entire Middle East, the homeland of the Jews and the Holy Land of Christianity, the only small corner of that entire benighted region where western civilization has managed to make a foothold…I can’t really explain it to you. There’s a big difference between the situation in the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War and the situation today: if Iran, or some other enemy of Israel, has nuclear weapons, the power and effectiveness of the Israeli army won’t amount to a damn thing. And after Israel, you can bet Europe and America will be next. Perhaps your indifference towards Israel is symptomatic of the anti-semitism that plagues the radical left today. I don’t know you well enough to be sure-and frankly, I don’t want to.
How is it that so called progessives such as yourselves can be so short-sighted that you can’t even see what’s blantantly obvious in front of you? We ARE Israel…We are Europe…we are Australia…we are all in this together. United we stand, divided we fall; we will all hang together, or we will all hang separately…aren’t those principles ones that your supposedly noble ancestors passed down to you from 1776 on? It still applies today.
Wake up and smell the towers burning.
44 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Laughing gasbag, I was merely making a point about how your left-wing blogs and the lamestream media outlets engage in the same type statistical spin. Reread my post, sorry if you aren’t nuanced enough to figure out what I was plainly trying to say. I guess your palpable hatred for me got in the way. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
You yourself have seriously engaged in faux statistics and storyline all the time and you have the gall to rail against me when I’m merely pointing out the fact? And how many times have you been busted for believing false information that you’ve swilled from the media? Remove the log from your eyes, dear brother. Of course fighting a shooting war is more dangerous than being in a peacetime army. Sheesh!
Also conservative bloggers have busted the supposedly “objective” lamestream media in enough of its faux stories that it casts long shadows upon what you think you really know about the war in Iraq. The latest media hoax is documented here and here regarding the supposed uptick in violence in Iraq, more specifically the 200 killed in one weekend and the burning of six Sunnis, neither of which can be independently confirmed by actual sources on the ground. Yet the media continues its get-the-troops-out-of-Iraq narrative by standing by its original disinformation campaign about Iraqi Jamil Hussein being a police captain or a member of the Iraqi MOI, both of which are demonstrable lies, or if not lies rather a story based on some pretty squishy “facts”. And these are the people who are your Oracle of Delphi, and they paint themselves as infallible professional journalists who always document their “facts”.
45 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:28 pm
“Did the polling respondants express an opinion on whether our troops should remove their body and vehicle armor while waiting for redeployment orders?” Comment by Ghoti — November 30, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
You said you were smart (repeatedly); how does this follow? No, and it didn’t saying anything about colorfully dressed bangers, honkers, clangers; or liverwurst either.
46 Fred Sinclair // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Laughing@you rself: As if you had any knowledge of God. Your god is yourself and the allah of your terrorist buddies that you are so determined to support, praise and emulate. Believe it or not, you, yes you can actually find happiness, peace of mind and Salvation (the forgiveness of your sins) in accepting Jesus as your Saviour.
Otherwise, when you stand before the Judgement Seat (as you will) you’ll need more than the “Good Luck” that I could offer.
Your Liberal Leftist drivel has already taken up more time and space than it’s worth.
Heirborn Ranger
47 antodav // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:30 pm
Laughing @ You
A single combat death during the Clinton years?
Yeah. I suppose that’s true…if you’re not counting the people killed in the WTC bombing in 1993, in the Battle of Mogadishu, in the bombings of our embassies in Africa, in the bombing of Kohbar Towers, in Bosnia, in Kosovo, and on the U.S.S. Cole, just to name a few [i]minor[/i] exceptions.
Of course, to you people, terrorism is not war. So I can see how your death count can be quite so deflated.
48 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:30 pm
Yeh, yeh, yeh … busted again, Henry!
49 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:31 pm
#23 Spoken like a true Clintonista liberal:
1994
Rwandan Hutu rebels want to wipe Tutsis and moderate Hutus off the face of the earth.
Rwanda isn’t America
The Tutsis and the moderate Hutus can take care of themselves.
The UN and Americans need to pull out - they do.
1,000,000,000 innocent people massacred. Yeahhh for the UN and America. Right.
50 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Heirbrain Ranger,
So, don’t answer.
51 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Sorry if you can’t tell the difference between my hyperbolic sarcasm and serious fact-based arguments, Bravo39. I would think you could tell the difference since most all of your posts are nothing but jokes anyway. Very Quixotic of you to tilt at my windmills though. I’m laughing at you!
52 antodav // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Ok, so we use arrow brackets (”") to make tags here, not the other kind (”[” and “]”). I think I got it now.
53 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:39 pm
And oh yeah…Clinton said recently he really regrets having looked at it that way. Go figure.
54 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:50 pm
Heh guys, we here in the south are finally getting to see how you all live in the north! One inch of ice and now blizzard warnings for just north of us and snow coming down like crazy. It is 17 degrees outside and gray and just plain neat. How cozy I feel in my heated home with a pot of pinto beans going on the stove, a ham in the oven and homemade bread rising to be baked. Life is good…even L@Y can’t destroy my inner peace.
55 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 2:54 pm
Antodav,
“Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”
“Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?” Washington’s Farewell Address, 1796
I assume by Europe, Washington meant all foreign states.
Sorry, I must leave now; but, don’t worry I’m not going to forsake you, I can see you need me.
56 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:04 pm
RE: #55~~
Yet another typically irrelevant strawman.
How boring.
57 da Bunny // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Wrong. Leftist, anti-Semitic, defeatocrat traitors are not “needed” here, at all.
58 gafisher // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Laughing#41: I apologize. You’re not a Ewe. That doesn’t negate my arguments, but it doesn’t support them either and was unnecessary.
59 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:09 pm
conserve-a-tips,
Try this, I do it every time I see, or hear Dumbyah.
Hmmmm. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm.
60 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:12 pm
gafisher,
OK
Hey bunny,
Thanks, you’re welcome.
61 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:41 pm
Re 59: L@Y, you are off-key. Also, off-center, but definitely off-key.
Now here’s a song! “Oh the weather outside is frightful. But the fire is soooo delightful. And since we’ve no place to goooooo. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!!!” Mighty purty in Okie land.
62 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:51 pm
President Ahmadaboutjihad delivered the following diatribe to the American people on 11/29/06:
+ “Would it not be more beneficial to bring the U.S. officers and soldiers home, and to spend the astronomical U.S. military expenditures in Iraq for the welfare and prosperity of the American people?”
+ “You President Bush is governing by coercion, force and injustice.”
+ “I consider it extremely unlikely that you, the American people, consent to the billions of dollars of annual expenditure from your treasury for this military misadventure.”
+ “The U.S. administration’s illegal and immoral behavior is not even confined to outside its borders. You are witnessing daily that under the pretext of ‘the war on terror,’ civil liberties in the United States are being increasingly curtailed.”
+ “What has blind support for the Zionists by the U.S. administration brought for the American people? … It is regrettable that for the U.S. administration, the interests of these occupiers supersedes the interests of the American people and of the other nations of the world.” (Yeah, those dang, dirty neo-con Joooooooooos controlling Bush like that!)
+ “Governments are there to serve their own people. No people wants to side with or support any oppressors. But regrettably, the U.S. administration disregards even its own public opinion and remains in the forefront of supporting the trampling of the rights of the Palestinian people.”
+ “As you know very well, many victims of Katrina continue to suffer, and countless Americans continue to live in poverty and homelessness.”
Sounds like Bravo39/laughing gasbag has been ghost writing for the Iranian nutbag President Ahmadaboutjihad. So the two questions that naturally arise follows: Is laughing gasbag getting his talking points from Ahmadaboutjihad or should we ask how much gasbag is getting paid by the word to ghostwrite for this Iranian kook? **cue “Twilight Zone” music**
63 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Seriously, gasbag, large portions of your rant and that of Ahmadaboutjihad are virtually interchangeable. Doesn’t that give you pause to know your screed (with subtle western-themed variations) sounds virtually like that of an Iranian Muslim apocalyptic kook?
64 Godfrey // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Laughing re: 59 - wouldn’t it be easier to ask the nice doctor if you can turn the channel?
65 Godfrey // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:04 pm
da Bunny: Leftist, anti-Semitic, defeatocrat traitors are not “needed” here
You’d rather go back to the days of cardboard piñatas?
66 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Darthmeister, it is hopeless. People like L@Y really think that Ahm-a-durn-nut-job and others like him are just misunderstood warm fuzzballs who think like us and only want to get along. L@Y doesn’t realize that when Ahm-a-durn-nut-job says to jump on his head and he’ll swim L@Y across the river to safety, he really means (and when we get into the middle of the river I’m gonna eat you!) Run, run as fast as you can, you can catch L@Y, the Gingerbread Man.
Come to think of it L@Y is the perfect man, like the Gingerbread man - He’s cute - He’s sweet - and when he gives you any crap, you can just bite his head off.
67 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:07 pm
antodav
“Perhaps your indifference towards Israel is symptomatic of the anti-semitism that plagues the radical left today.” Comment by antodav — November 30, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
I am not indifferent to Israel; on the contrary, I wish them well in all things. But, I do not have dual citizenship in other county. I have no divided loyalty, and Israel is NOT the United States!
I don’t know what you mean by “radical left”, and I doubt you know; I think it’s just a term that gets thrown around here a lot.
As a former Birch sympathizer, I think I know the “Radical Right” when I see it “Goose Stepping”.
New boots, Henry?
68 PanamaRed // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Amazing how much effort is put into debating gasbag leftists when you know its a waste of bandwidth. As for me, I’m waiting for my free copy of Baker’s report so I can reline the birdcage. The NYT has too much BS in it to be a source of liner material let alone unbiased news.
Nice seein’ y’all.
69 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Godfrey,
Re: 64
If you even ask, they put your name on “The List”.
You know, that list the Neo-Cons wouldn’t anybody see before the election.
But, in January Democrats will start looking where the Republicans were either too corrupt, or cowardly to look.
I hope America’s finds what has been lost hidden there.
70 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:31 pm
let
71 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:46 pm
Hank,
By the way, it doesn’t bother me at all, for you to call me Bravo39.
I am proud to have been Bravo 39er. Believe
me, a wannabe like you would have been impressed!
72 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Propaganda points made against America and FDR by the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party (otherwise known as NAZI):
+ FDR was a fat cat capitalist leading America to its destruction (showed a picture of FDR on a yacht)
+ The money America was spending preparing for a war it need not fight could be better spent getting its poor out of the Great Depression.
+ America was illegally engaged in supplying military aid and supplies to Great Britain in violation of international law.
+ Germany didn’t attack America yet America’s first move was to advance its imperialistic goals in Northern Africa and planning to invade Europe through Great Britain. Churchill was merely Roosevelt’s lap dog.
+ American capitalism was an evil which keeps its masses poor and President Roosevelt hopes to impose it on the rest of the world under the pretense of its imperialistic war.
+ America was always sticking its nose in European business just like it did in World War I.
+ Zionist Jews are using FDR as a tool to advance their goal of world domination. In the end Jews are evil capitalists who want to keep the rest of the world poor and under their thumb.
+ Roosevelt’s war was a cynical means to enrichen his capitalist buddies in heavy industry. Roosevelt is the friend of the rich even when he talks the talk of helping the poor.
If the jackboots fit, gasbag, why don’t you wear them?
73 Beerme // Nov 30, 2006 at 5:29 pm
I’ve been searching and searching on the internets and can’t find dubya dubya dubya dot Amazon dot com! Maybe I’ve searched the wrong internets. I’ll need to re-read the Santa Clause.
What is the Chickenhawk Clause? The proposal that one can’t express a valid opinion about politics or war without having been in the military. It is especially strong when applied by those who served in the military during peacetime. Of course no young man would join in wartime, because he would be stupid to serve his country by fighting, when he could get a good job that’s safer. Either that or the guy is from an impoverished area with high unemployment. Maybe that’s the Rangel Clause…
74 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Yep here ya go. Definitely need to pow-wow with that loveable fuzzball Ahm-a-durn-nut-job. He dun meeen us no harm. No sirreee.
Oh yeah. And I am here to attest to the horrible global warming going on in the world. 17 degrees outside, whiteout conditions and lots of pretty snow. Just like the old days 20 years ago.
75 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Another example of liberal idiocy. As a heads-up (no pun intended), this is a true story, gasbag:
Jack Gray and the other homeless men who sat in Pioneer Square’s Occidental Park say they go to the mission when nature calls. Or to the Starbucks.
Anywhere, they say, besides one of the city’s fancy automated public toilets — two years old and just on the other side of the park.
Honey Bucket route driver Joe Powers cleans the automated public toilet in Occidental Square downtown on Wednesday. The city decided in 2004 to spend nearly $700,000 a year to maintain five high-tech toilets.
“The crack heads are always in there,” Gray said.
The decade-long debate over giving people public toilets downtown appeared to be over when the Seattle City Council decided in 2004 to spend nearly $700,000 a year to maintain five high-tech toilets downtown and on Broadway in Capitol Hill.
But these days, local businesses say the toilets have only made things worse. Not only have they become a haven for drug dealers and prostitutes, but the streets are filled with more urine and feces than before, according to Seattle merchants and members of the Metropolitan Improvement District.
This is the kind of bleeding-heart liberal insanity that hard-working, tax-paying Americans have to put up with. Libs are so naive when it comes to the law of unintended consequences, including the one about cutting-and-running.
76 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 6:02 pm
Sorry, the last paragraph should be unitalicized.
77 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 6:55 pm
Beerme,
Chickenhawk n. A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person’s youth.
http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/
78 Laughing@You // Nov 30, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Regarding the draft: There should be no exemptions for wealth, college, political influence, who your daddy is, etc. Let’s just call that the “Chickenhawk Clause”.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/21/174334/30
79 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 30, 2006 at 7:24 pm
They reinstituted the draft?
80 R.A.M. // Nov 30, 2006 at 7:34 pm
I bet when “Chuckie Schmuckie” Rangle gets the draft reinstated, there will be a few trolls doing what they claim GWB did, (and what their idol Klinton actually did), ——-dodge the draft!
Why? Because they are like MOST libs—-cowards!
Keep in mind, Canada has a Conservative in power now, so you may not be able to cower and hide there.
Again trolls, I repeat, learn those ‘general orders’ before you hit boot camp. You will save yourself a LOT of pushups!
81 Godfrey // Nov 30, 2006 at 7:42 pm
Hank re: #75 - The really humane thing for government to do would be to provide each bum-er, homeless citizen with a monogrammed piddle pack of his very own. At taxpayer expense, of course.
That would cover the liquid end of the problem. For more “complex” bodily functions the government can hire subcontractors.
82 Ghoti // Nov 30, 2006 at 8:58 pm
LAY #45, about my rhetorical question ridiculing your belief in the sanctity of polling data, see Darthmeister’s first sentence in #51.
Since the anti-Bush crowd is only interested in military deaths during wartime, the following data on the Iraq War might be of interest:
Year — KIA + Non-Combat = Total
2003 — 323 + 163 = 486
2004 — 709 + 139 = 848
2005 — 676 + 170 = 846
2006 — 607 + 100 = 707 (thru Nov. 30, 2006)
TOT — 2,315 + 572 = 2,887
If the figures LAY provides (1,410 in 2003, 1,887 in 2004) are accurate, we must be losing about 1,000 in non-combat arenas yearly. It might be logically deduced that our troops are perhaps safer in Baghdad than elsewhere, plus their deaths there accomplish two useful purposes: fighting terrorism, and providing ammunition for the anti-Bush crowd.
83 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:04 pm
L@Y,
Regarding your service…
+ Were you drafted or did you volunteer?
+ Were you in combat?
+ Where did you serve? …in Vietnam?
+ Did you commit crimes on a day-to-day basis?
+ Did you personally rape women, kill children, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turn up the power, cut off limbs, blow up bodies, randomly shoot at civilians, and/or raze villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan?
Inquiring minds want to know.
84 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 30, 2006 at 9:57 pm
Hopefully this is a sign that (real) Americans have had enough.
85 conserve-a-tips // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:22 pm
James, re #85: Could we do that to John Kerry and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and Barrack Obama and Ted Kennedy and and and….?
86 Darthmeister // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:24 pm
Hawkeye, using Laughing gasbag’s own logic: Since we are talking about American soldiers dying in combat or being place in harm’s way, then by extension of his “logic” all soldiers who served stateside or abroad during times of peace should be excluded from having opinions about war.
To put an even finer point on it, maybe only those soldiers who have been actually shot at during the heat of battle can have opinions about war and peace.
What returning combat veterans are personally telling me about their cause in Iraq is diametrically opposed to the glib claptrap that Bravo39 spews here. They say is very difficult but their cause is just and noble, they are protecting innocent Iraqis after liberating them from Saddam’s regime, they feel betrayed by armchair generals like Bravo39 who denigrate their service when they haven’t been boots on the ground in the streets of Baghdad. They were some of the first to understand if we don’t fight Islamic radicals there America will eventually have to fight them here, and they believe to a man they are accomplishing good work training Iraqis to defend themselves while consolidating a forward base of operations in the Middle East.
And who have claimed this in personal communications with me … Major Mike K., Marine Captain Tom S., Marine Sgt Todd B. , Sgt Steve Mc, Sgt Ben R., Private Chad T., Private Ben W. and several other American soldiers who are personal acquaintances of mine and have served this country during the GWOT. All boots on the ground in Iraq and Baghdad with one flying in Afghanistan as a Marine CH-53 crew chief. BOOTS ON THE GROUND!
Have you ever been in an active war zone, Bravo39? From a very practical standpoint, it seems to me these men have far more credibility than you because they have sacrificed far more in the service of their country. I’m listening to them before I listen to those who often for very partisan reasons denigrate their mission in Iraq and their service to this country in a noble cause.
Like I’ve said before, gasbag’s ridiculous rants about chickenhawks would have one eventually arguing that no one should have an opinion about law enforcement unless they’ve served as a police officer in the line of duty.
87 Effeminem // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:25 pm
Is cutting off the ears of your fallen enemies so wrong? By that standard, aren’t we ALL guilty?
88 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:36 pm
Darth,
That’s precisely the reason for my questions in #83. LaughingBoy touts his service. I’d like to know more about it. If he served in combat and saw some nasty stuff, he can be excused. If he’s guilty of participating in the war crimes John Kerry says our troops committed, then I can understand why he is so against war. If he served in Germany and drank beer for a few years, then I can’t take him too seriously.
89 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:38 pm
Everyone sit back, take a deep breath and relax. Man, this has turned into another duke it out with the aggitators, site. Once upon a time we ignored the gremlins and moved on. Now most of Scrapple is owned by you know who.
90 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:46 pm
OK Ms. RW… taking deep breaths now. In… out… in… out… in… (beginning to hyperventilate)… aggghhh!… (falling to the floor).
Help. I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!
91 Hawkeye // Nov 30, 2006 at 10:48 pm
Effeminem… #88, Funny!
92 camojack // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:32 am
Everyone sit back, take a deep breath and relax. Man, this has turned into another duke it out with the aggitators, site. Once upon a time we ignored the gremlins and moved on. Now most of Scrapple is owned by you know who.
Comment by Ms RightWing, Ink — November 30, 2006 @ 10:38 pm
Hear, hear! I was even thinking of resurrecting Ms. A. Thrope, although nobody listened anyway. I wish you kidz would quit feeding the trolls; it gives them their raison d’etre…
93 Cricket // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:57 am
Clinton combat deaths? Lessee, we have Kosovo and the Balkans, Haiti and Somalia. Oh, and let us not forget Clinton’s armed foray into the Davidian compound. Janet Reno was deathly afraid that ‘child abuse’ was going on there. In fact, Auntie Janet was so afraid for Elian Gonzales that she tore him from his family at gunpoint, all at the bidding of Papa Fidel.
Then there is the OKC bombing, the bombing of the WTC and let us not forget that Clinton didn’t take Osama into custody when he should have, so that really makes all this Clinton’s fault.
94 JamesonLewis3rd // Dec 1, 2006 at 7:33 am
Welcome to December, Everyone!
I hope and pray you and yours all have a wonderful, joyous Christmas Season in remembrance of Almighty God’s Greatest Gift to mankind.
95 RedPepper // Dec 1, 2006 at 8:30 am
Re #s 90,93: Amen, MsRW, camo!
What have you accomplished when you have bested a fool?
96 MargeinMI // Dec 1, 2006 at 8:41 am
Amen! and backatcha Red.
Morning all!
97 Maggie // Dec 1, 2006 at 8:42 am
Good Morning!
The “forum” would be a great place to take this battle of wits with the trolls.That would leave the comment section for the sharing of recipes,etc.
Speaking of recipes,where is ‘Boberin’?
98 onlineanalyst // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:02 am
To answer your question, Maggie: Somewhere in the kitchen with Oprah.
Ditto, camojack, MsRWInk, Red Pepper, and MargeinMI! Trying to engage intrusive visitors who wrest the topic is like being caught in a hamster wheel. We get “exercised” but get nowhere. Ignore the trolls or make your points dispassionately without personal acknowledgement of them or their existence, and they will take up their tents and go elsewhere for their jollies.
99 Darthmeister // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:21 am
I forgot about the Branch Davidian War, Cricket. It took the Clinton Administration longer to defeat the Branch Davidians than the Bush Administration to defeat and depose Saddam’s regime.
Under Clinton we cut-and-run from Somalia and left it to the warlords and it became a fertile training ground for al Qaeda. Now they and Ethopia are squaring off. And there’s still the “quagmire” in Bosnia with Muslim radicals growing stronger every year, torching churches and murdering Christians. Of course the lamestream media doesn’t like reporting about that since it was deemed a “moral unilateral humanitarian effort” by the libs.
**sarcasm mode/off**
100 Ms RightWing, Ink // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:22 am
Good morning from the rain soaked new land of the new Democrats. Geesh, if this is the weather they bring with them then I am moving north (I wish).
High wind warnings, severe thunderstorm warnings, rain changing to snow, oh you got to love it. Anyone ever tried to vote in a new weather man?
Peace on Scrapple
101 MargeinMI // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:31 am
I thought New York, LA, Miami and San Fransisco were supposed to feel the effects of Global Warming! first. Apparantly I was wrong, as I’m accumulating waterfront footage as we speak! Forget the starter for the minivan, I’m gonna invest in big innertubes and a paddle…
[afraidtolookattheweatherchannel]
102 egospeak // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:37 am
I see I’m late to the shootout at Scrappleface, but I must comment on a few posts nonetheless.
Godfrey, re: 64 You are proof that brevity is the soul of wit. Very funny.
C.A.T.s, re: 74 Get it straight woman!! It’s not global warming, it’s climate change! That way all the bases are covered.
Hawkeye, re: 83 You forgot to include the pronunciation key for Genghis Khan. Most normal people pronounce it as it looks, however as that great war hero John Kerry taught us waaaaaaay back in 1971, it is pronounced “Jenjis” Khan. Kinda like Ted Kennedy and “Cuber” for Cuba. What kind of English do they teach in Boston anyway? BTY, great questions! I notice that we’re still waiting for an answer.
JL3, re: 84 Amen brother.
Darthmeister, re: all posts. As usual, spot on Sir.
Regards,
103 RedPepper // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:45 am
Once again, it is time to ask … where are the “feminists” when these things happen ? Where are the “human rights” groups ? Where are they ?
The gunmen came at night to drag Mohammed Halim away from his home, in front of his crying children and his wife begging for mercy.
The 46-year-old schoolteacher tried to reassure his family that he would return safely.
But his life was over.
Disembowelled and murdered for teaching girls .
104 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:53 am
onlineanalyst,
Now, there you go!
While most Democrats might say your plan is a bit short-sighted, Republicans will go for it. And why not, they have invaded countries, and dealt with natural disasters with less planning, and just look how well that’s turned out! Now, if you could just find some way to give your plan a dishonest slant, you’d be onto something the party could really get their teeth into.
You must be a White House staffer. I bet you have been advising the administration on Iraq, haven’t you?
105 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 10:18 am
Where was Mohammed Halim? Was he in Iraq?
Did this sort of thing happen under Saddam? Have circumstances improved since the “Liberation” of Iraq?
Do you ever watch the “In Memoriam” segment of “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”?
I have noticed this problem seemed to begin with American’s pre-emptive attack on, and invasion of Iraq, and the longer we occupy Iraq the worse it seems to get. What do you think; could there be there a causal relationship?
How did Mr. Hamlin feel about American presence, do you know? How about his family; do they think America have sacrificed enough its young yet?
106 Hawkeye // Dec 1, 2006 at 10:28 am
egospeak,
Thanks! & Best regards…
107 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:13 am
“… U.S. Marines and the other band of Brothers that you’ve disrespected with your insistence that this is an evil and ignoble war that they are engaged in.”
This is a lie by an Idiot, who either knows it is a lie, or is nuts!
The United States Armed Forces demonstrate the full faith and allegiance to this country by their service in Iraq as they did in Vietnam.
THE ARMED FORCES DID NOT CHOOSE THIS WAR! NOR IS IT THEIR RIGHT TO DECIDE TO WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE IT.
They are under the command of the government. It is their oath to obey the orders of that government, unless they believe those orders to constitute a moral violation. In which case, they are compelled by The Higher Authority, to refuse their orders, and stand the consequence of that decision.
Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness. ~George Washington
Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war. ~John Adams
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. ~George Washington
108 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:22 am
#105, Mohammed Halim was in Afghanistan, as the article mentions several times, so it’s doubtful that this problem of educating girls in Afghanistan has a “casual relationship” with our invasion of Iraq.
The article also notes that “during Taliban rule” girls were taught in secret schools in private homes, and the Taliban might be the only terrorist faction (except the Branch Davidians) not represented in Iraq.
109 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:30 am
I have posted my military history, as has my son, here previously. I have posted this history at least two, and perhaps three times.
What’s the point? The shirkers will shirk, and continue laugh about their own lack of a sense of duty to their country, while besmirching the service of veterans.
JFnK, as you call him, was awarded the Silver Star! Can anyone here make the same claim? Do you even know what it is?
“Chickenhawk n. A PERSON ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT WAR, PROVIDED SOMEONE ELSE FIGHTS IT … “
Insert Hank’s picture here!
110 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:37 am
Ghoti,
I don’t care about Mohammed, let alone Mohammed Halim.
Are you American? If so, there are too many of you countrymen who have suffered and died, without moment of neo-con attention, or caring. Take care of you own first!
111 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:38 am
your your
112 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:47 am
Dan Rather was a great Marine (by his own declaration) during peacetime… well, at least he survived a few weeks of Basic Training before being discharged prematurely.
To his credit, he lasted longer than Benedict Kerry did in establishing his credentials as a professional Vietnam veteran.
113 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:51 am
Ghoti,
112 doesn’t make sense! Airman, do you know what a Silver Star is?
114 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 11:52 am
You don’t care about Mohammed Halim, but wasted time posting falsehoods about his situation?
You acknowledge missing 2 of the “3 r’s,” presumably readin’ and ‘ritin’.
115 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Silver Stars are awarded only for actions in combat; most who receive a Silver Star suffer debilitating wounds in the process. Receiving a Silver Star requires witnesses and significant substantiation of valor. The only known exception was Benedict Kerry, who applied for medals that hang in his office in Washington, D.C. Although his bid was initially rejected, he eventually found a (gasp) “superior” who was willing to supply his arsenal of honors.
116 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:14 pm
Which is false false: Where was Mohammed Halim? or, Was he in Iraq?
Restated: Where was Mohammed Halim? Was he in Afghanistan?
Did this sort of thing happen under the Taliban? Have circumstances improved since the “Liberation” of Afghanistan?
Do you ever watch the “In Memoriam” segment of “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”?
I have noticed this problem seemed to begin with American’s pre-emptive attack on, and invasion of Iraq, and the longer we occupy Iraq the worse it seems to get. What do you think; could there be there a causal relationship?
How did Mr. Hamlin feel about American presence, do you know? How about his family; do they think America have sacrificed enough its young yet?
117 Pros and Cons » The ether is just hilarious today. Must be something in the water … or a virus. // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:22 pm
[…] And then there are these gems from Scott Ott’s fevered mind, on then value of blue ribbon panels, plumbing, one really fun way to redeploy from Iraq with dignity and the true meaning of the season. […]
118 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:27 pm
Ghoti,
Swiftboat this:
“The cold and undisputed truth is that Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam, personally selected the Silver Star award for Kerry and personally pinned the Silver Star on Kerry’s chest at a ceremony at our Coastal Division 11 base in An Thoi, South Vietnam just days after the action. A decoration, like every other award for heroism, that was recommended by his Division Officer and endorsed by then Captain Roy L. Hoffmann. According to Zumwalt, he actually wanted to give Kerry an even higher award, the Navy Cross, but decided upon a Silver Star because he wished to make the award as expeditiously as possible. These points were publicly reiterated by Admiral Zumwalt in 1996, in defense of Kerry’s military record.”
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,101730,00.html
119 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Yes, Halim was in Afghanistan. Iraq is not even mentioned in the article.
Yes, this sort of thing happened under the Taliban.
Yes, circumstances (girls’ education) have improved since the Liberation of Afghanistan.
No, I don’t watch Stephanopoulos.
No, I don’t think there is a causal relationship between this problem (education of girls in Afghanistan) and the invasion on Iraq.
Sensibly, Mr. Halim is surely grateful for the American presence that enabled him to openly teach girls.
His family expressed horror that he was killed by the Taliban for teaching girls.
They probably think America had to sacrifice too many of its young in enabling him to teach girls.
**Except for the (related?) question of my TV viewing, all of your questions could have been answered by simply reading/comprehending the article.
120 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 12:54 pm
Thanks for clarifying the identity of Zumwalt, who “selected” the award.
Whatever the medal, there has to be a recommendation by the command authority - except in the case of Kerry, who requested the honor on his own behalf. After being initially rejected, he sought out and found Zumwalt to fulfill his request.
Zumwalt “personally selected” the Silver Star instead of the Navy Cross (laughable, considering the qualifications) to expedite (never a consideration) awarding of the honor, presumably to hold the ceremony before Kerry’s premature escape from the battlefield arena.
121 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Ghoti:
Post 114
You acknowledge missing 2 of the “3 r’s,” presumably readin’ and ‘ritin’.
Comment by Ghoti — December 1, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Thanks. Let me return the favor:
Post 29 “seditionary”: Not a word. ~Cambridge Dictionary & Wikipedia
Post 33 “Comparible”: Should be comparable.
Post 35 “respondants” Should be respondents.
What with your 160 IQ and all, I guess such things just happen. To some more than others, I guess.
122 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 1:18 pm
Hasty posting results in careless typos; such things happen to some more than others, as with your 4-letter (I-r-a-q) spelling of Afghanistan. The mention of the “3 r’s” was a feeble attempt at humor, not a grammatical or spelling correction. After reading many of your posts, you don’t want to start “swapping papers” for grading purposes.
123 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Kerry’s CO was: Captain George Elliott
“During Kerry’s 1996 re-election campaign, when there was criticism of his Silver Star, Elliott responded: “The fact that he chased armed enemies down is not something to be looked down on.” In June 2003, Elliott was quoted as saying the award was “well deserved” and that he had “no regrets or second thoughts at all about that.”
More recently, however, Elliott has signed two affidavits that criticize the award. The first, in July 2004, stated in part, “When Kerry came back to the United States, he lied about what occurred in Vietnam…” After the release of this first affidavit, Michael Kranish of the Boston Globe quoted Elliott saying, “It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I’m the one in trouble here…I knew it was wrong…In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake.” Elliott contended that Kranish had substantially misquoted him, but the Globe stood by its account, calling the disputed quotes “absolutely accurate”.
The story prompted Elliott to release a second affidavit, in August 2004, in which he stated, “Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single wounded, fleeing Viet Cong.” The second affidavit made what Elliott called an “immaterial clarification”, in that he admitted that he had no personal knowledge of the circumstances of the shooting. Rather, his initial statement that Kerry had been dishonest was based on unspecified sources and a passage contributed by Kranish to a biography of Kerry.
Kerry’s crew members who were there that day do not agree with Elliott’s characterization of the event.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry_military_service_controversy
124 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Ghoti,
Oh, feeble. Yes that’s it; feeble!
125 Laughing@You // Dec 1, 2006 at 1:48 pm
Ghoti,
“Dan Rather was a great Marine (by his own declaration) during peacetime…”
Where can I find this declaration?
The satire, hyperbole, and attempts at humor as characterized here are feeble attempts to provide legitimacy to dishonesty.
126 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 1:51 pm
I did not dispute that Kerry actually received the award for leaving his boat in a vulnerable position to chase down and kill a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong combattant (in blatant violation of the rules of combat). I merely questioned the fact that he personally applied for an award that “has to be recommended by the command authority.”
The Silver Star requires witnesses and significant substantiation of valor, but his “witnesses” merely saw him leave to chase the injured man, then heard the subsequent gunshot. There was obvious room for doubt of “performance with valor at great risk to self” in killing a wounded, fleeing combattant, and the honor is not awarded when doubt exists… except in this particular exceptional instance where the nominee requested the award.
127 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 2:03 pm
Rather boasted of being a “former Marine” on many occasions. The MSM has often referred to him as an “ex-Marine,” but he did not even finish recruit training.
He hammered Dan Quayle night after night during the 1988 presidential campaign for avoiding Vietnam by joining the National Guard, but during the Korean War he joined the Army Reserves at Sam Houston University to avoid being drafted out of college. He graduated in 1954, after the Korean War was over and the killing had ended, he quite the reserves and enlisted in the Marine Corps (briefly).
Later, he infamously criticized George W. Bush exactly as he had done Quayle.
128 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 2:07 pm
Even Mr. Kerry apologizes for his audience’s lack of perception at his feeble attempts at humor, so I also duly apologize likewise.
129 R.A.M. // Dec 1, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Sounds like a certain troll has a ‘crush’ on Benedict kerry!
Sorry he is already taken. Although his wife resembles a man, (so he may like you troll), I’m sure she has way more money than you do.
Whenever I hear trolls tout their service, “over and over”, I relive JFnKerry’s unsuccessful run for the White House.
Remember trolls, Timmy McVeigh, Lee Harvey Oswald, Chas Rangle, John (Droopy Dog) Murtha, and Benedict kerry served too, but have done MUCH more damage to their Country since, effectively cancelling out whatever honor they may, (or may not), have earned while serving!
If the shoe fits you too—-then WEAR IT!
P.S. Scott Ott’s story on this thread was mentioned by Mark Levin last night on his second hour.
Mark said, “Very funny!”
130 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 6:20 pm
R.A.M., Mark Levin truly is the “Great One,” and I’m glad he recognizes another Great One, Scott Ott.
I spent the entire afternoon engaging the troll in conversation on ancient history, intending to keep him busy so other Scrapplers could enjoy the more recent article in relative peace. It appears that I was successful.
131 Darthmeister // Dec 1, 2006 at 9:19 pm
Ghoti, thanks for volunteering to be the sacrificial lamb. Somebody’s got to do the dirty work, though given the present mission requirements cleaning latrines would be preferable.
132 Ghoti // Dec 1, 2006 at 10:10 pm
You’re welcome. Having been reared on a farm, I learned to tolerate “the stuff” by shoveling out barn stalls.
133 camojack // Dec 2, 2006 at 2:56 pm
Ghoti, thanks for volunteering to be the sacrificial lamb. Somebody’s got to do the dirty work, though given the present mission requirements cleaning latrines would be preferable.
Comment by Darthmeister — December 1, 2006 @ 9:19 pm
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You’re welcome. Having been reared on a farm, I learned to tolerate “the stuff” by shoveling out barn stalls.
Comment by Ghoti — December 1, 2006 @ 10:10 pm
If you kidz would learn some restraint (ie: not feeding trolls) then we could all like it better here…except the trolls, of course. But what of that?!
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