(2006-11-10) — President George Bush, in an effort to reassure conservatives that he won’t capitulate to every demand of the new majority in Congress, today told Democrat leaders at a White House luncheon that he would not allow them to roll back Republican-passed tax cuts, or impose any new taxes on the American people.
When asked directly by Sen. Harry Reid if he would cooperate in “generating new revenues to fund important social projects,” the president responded: “Read my lips — No new taxes.”
However, the White House issued a clarification, insisting the president had actually said, “Reid, my lips know new Texans,” indicating that he had kissed a lot of babies on the campaign trail in his home state.
The president later admitted he gave the cryptic response because it was “the only way to answer that question, and get it on to another question.”
An unnamed White House official noted that the president might be able to find common ground with Democrats on new taxes by coming to a bipartisan agreement on what the word “new” means.
“If they mean ‘new’ as in the Democrats’ ‘new direction’, then we may be able to come to agreement there,” the source said.
181 responses so far ↓
1 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 10, 2006 at 12:25 pm
God Bless America!
2 Scott Ott // Nov 10, 2006 at 12:28 pm
Bush to Dems: ‘Read My Lips, No New Taxes’…
by Scott Ott(2006-11-10) — President George Bush, in an effort to reassure conservatives that he won’t capitulate to every demand of the new majority in Congress, today told Democrat leaders at a White House luncheon that he would not allow them to…
3 mephitis // Nov 10, 2006 at 12:33 pm
This stuff gets funnier and funnier.
That may be the best thing about a DemocRAT takeover. Scrappleface has more and better stuff to work with.
More rope over here please, for the incumbents.
4 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 10, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Scott
Your trying to hard to reinterpret stupidity into smartness. That will never work, so forget it.
5 Just Ranting // Nov 10, 2006 at 12:52 pm
God Bless America.
6 Just Ranting // Nov 10, 2006 at 1:04 pm
Please read:
http://www.anysoldier.com
And remember to thank a veteran.
7 seneuba // Nov 10, 2006 at 1:11 pm
This is just plain ol’ good stuff…
BTW: It’s sure comforting to know that the Tuesday elections were a referendum on moderate conservatives. Now, FINALLY, we can spend the next 24 months retaking the party and pulling it to it’s RIGHT-ful position.
8 upnorthlurkin // Nov 10, 2006 at 1:43 pm
Dear Just,
My husband and I have adopted soldiers since 9-11 and believe me, we get the most out of the relationships!! I am so in awe of our young volunteers I can’t find the correct words. Our latest favorite charities are the following; gibracelet.org who send out purple(heart) bracelets for your contribution to your choice of military charities (we picked Fisher House) and ProjectValorIT who provide voice activated computer software for our injured heroes who are either hospitalized or recuperating at other locations.
9 RedPepper // Nov 10, 2006 at 1:58 pm
I just knew it!
What he really promised us conservatives was, “No new Texans!”
Duck! We’re about to get trampled!
10 Just Ranting // Nov 10, 2006 at 2:05 pm
Upnorthlurkin re:8
My dad was a disabled vet classified as 100% disabled from his service in WWII. He survived 13 years before he passed away from his disability. I want to personally thank you and Mig from a previous thread for the way you honor our heroes. Being away from home, whether on the battlefield or in a veterans hospital is never easy for them. My dad was hospitalized during the holidays many times. The contributions and visits he received helped him and his fellow GIs more than you can know. God bless you guys.
11 RedPepper // Nov 10, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Now they’ve done it!
They’ve beheaded George Washington!
What next?
12 Just Ranting // Nov 10, 2006 at 2:21 pm
OT
Strange news story from India. And to think these folks are handling most of the technology call center work these days.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/od_nm/eunuchs_dc
13 Godfrey // Nov 10, 2006 at 2:22 pm
Scott: you’re hard to keep up with today! Thanks for the great reading.
OLA: re: Bob Casey - you’re right, I misspoke (mistyped?). Casey didn’t “vote for” Alito and Roberts…he was, instead, very public in this support. And his reason for being so was his stance on abortion.
Egospeak: not all elected representatives are politicians…
True. Congressmen tend to be “elected representatives” for the first half of their first term. Then they become either politicians or “former” congressmen. It’s a cruddy system in that respect but there really is no other way to do things.
Either way it may bode well or at least not too bad for the country.
True. Let’s face it, the Republican Party is already more cohesive and more motivated than it was even a week ago. I don’t think two years is enough time for the GOP to reingratiate itself with the public but I think the next mid-terms will be up for grabs (the above does not include the presidency; with the exception of the last few years recent history shows that America likes a divided government.)
In fact I think the Democrats are in a position to win more seats in 2008 (as long as they don’t screw things up by setting up revenge hearings). Two years is generally not enough for the public to get disgusted with the party in power. But after 2008 I can see things settling down a bit. And hopefully we’ll have a Republican president.
Some might consider these dire predictions. But don’t forget that we also have a third branch of government. The Supreme Court, at least, is fairly balanced for the foreseeable future. That’s something.
14 Darthmeister // Nov 10, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Well, Scott, that’s certainly one way to nuance “no new taxes.”
There’s also the creative way of simply creating new “fees” to take the place of taxes like we do here in the People’s Republic of Illinois.
Or one can simply argue that an increase of a pre-existing tax isn’t a “new tax” but rather an inflation of an old tax. A new tax would be like taxing the air we breath and that probably won’t be long in coming as in after the 2008 elections.
15 gafisher // Nov 10, 2006 at 3:07 pm
I heard it was “No, _NEW_ taxes” but, like Kerry’s joke, there may be multiple originals in circulation, especially as time goes by.
16 wildhowd // Nov 10, 2006 at 3:27 pm
Scott
Too many, too fast, too funny
Anyone catch that AlQueda thinks it is winning
17 wildhowd // Nov 10, 2006 at 3:28 pm
Scott
Too many, too fast, too funny
Anyone catch that AlQueda thinks it is winning the war
Are they democrats too?
18 vittles scooper // Nov 10, 2006 at 4:23 pm
Fred Sinclair - I would like to thank Fred Sinclair for his service to our country. Fred, you are one of the strongest and most courageous persons I have ever met. Because of you and a few other veterans who post on this marvelous satirical blog I was inspired to join Soldiers Angels last year. It is the proudest thing I do. It is the least I can do for my beloved country. I thank all our veterans. I also want to say we love you to our troops currently serving. God bless you all.
19 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 10, 2006 at 4:32 pm
New Iraq Al-Qaeda Audio - Aim To Create Islamic Iraq
20 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Hey Sad Giez:
Why didn’t Bush get rid of Rumsfeld before the election? Think of how many Republicans went down last Tuesday because they believed Dumbyah’s endorsement of Rumthedumb.
ET
21 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Yo youz,
In a recent study The Institute found Republicans to have an IQ, on the average, more than 21 points lower than the general public; and an average of almost26 of points less than the average Democrat.
The study found that Conservatives always consider themselves to be expert on areas of their least knowledge.
They study went on that they tend to lie to conceal their problems.
I just thought you’d want to know.
Laughing@You
22 camojack // Nov 10, 2006 at 5:30 pm
“Read My Lips, No New Taxes”
Hmmm…leave us hope that (unlike his father) he can deliver on this promise.
23 Darthmeister // Nov 10, 2006 at 5:46 pm
Hmmmm, neverthink/laughinggasbag/lieger, I guess you’ll fall for anything. Here’s where snopes.com debunks a previous hoax about President Bush have a low IQ and Dem Presidents have extraordinarily high IQs. It’s interesting how Republican-hater websites will claim JFK has a 174 IQ when indeed he had a 119 IQ - normal bright. Supposedly William Jefferson Clinton has a 182 IQ … buwhahahahaha. He’s slick but not necessarily smart. Wasn’t Clinton a “B” student?
Your “study” which supposedly compares IQs of Republicans and Democrats (I couldn’t find it online) sounds similar to those kinds of studies that use to “document” the low IQs of black Americans as compared to their white counterparts. Still a bigot, eh neverthunk?
BTW, I imagine once the Dems find out you voted for them they’ll want to kick you out of their tent for bringing down their IQ averages about ten points.
24 Godfrey // Nov 10, 2006 at 5:48 pm
Hank:
Re: new taxes (and more importantly new spending programs): Radley Balko over at Reason has an interesting article on what the electorate may really have been saying Tuesday.
His tagline: The Republicans didn’t lose on Tuesday night because they haven’t been governing enough like Democrats. They lost because they’ve been governing exactly like Democrats.
25 GnuCarSmell // Nov 10, 2006 at 5:56 pm
We should all oppose gnu taxes.
26 nylecoj // Nov 10, 2006 at 6:04 pm
Godfrey,
Great article, thank-you.
You had an excellent post re Libertarians on a previous thread. One thing I wanted to point out is that although many L’s have spoken out against the war (probably a majority) many of us believe the war is not against Libertarian principles. Libertarians are against the initiation of force but believe firmly in self defense. There are a lot of us that believe that self defense is what is going on.
27 Darthmeister // Nov 10, 2006 at 6:12 pm
This debunks a “study” that fraudulently claimed that the smarter states voted for Gore while the less smart states voted for Bush.
Here’s an interesting chart which shows for whom people of a given education level voted for:
No H.S. Degree (5% of voters)
59% Gore
39% Bush
High School Graduate (21% of voters)
48% Gore
49% Bush
Some College (32% of voters)
45% Gore
51% Bush
College Graduate (24% of voters)
45% Gore
51% Bush
Post-Graduate Degree (18% of voters)
52% Gore
44% Bush
From this data one could make the argument that on average those who voted for Bush had a higher level of education. Of course the Democrat would argue that more eggheads (post-grads) voted for Gore but its also true that vastly more under-educated people who never completed high school voted for Gore, too.
Education level does not necessarily indicated IQ level and far less importance is being place on IQs today since there are questions about the methodologies that have been used in the past as well as present.
Clearly neverthink is the poster child for the axiom: Figures don’t lie but liars figure.
28 Darthmeister // Nov 10, 2006 at 6:17 pm
#24 - Godfrey, on my way to lunch I was thinking the same thing! There was a poll (for what its worth) which said that 58% of the American voters this last election liked smaller government! A conservative principle. If the Democrat leadership misreads their “mandate” and begin their same old legislative recipe for bigger government and more entitlements, they could be in trouble in 2008. But then it usually takes more than two years for the voting public to reject a party’s policies, so 2010 and 2012 could result in some defining elections for the next generation … that is if the Republicans figured out that it was Republicans trying to act as big-spending Democrats and not conservatism that was rejected.
29 egospeak // Nov 10, 2006 at 6:18 pm
ever “trying to find a coherent thought to” think,
re: 21
Is this the same study that just found out that there are inherent psycological and emotional differences between male and female babies? Or possibly the study that found that all democrat children are above average?
Or maybe the study that discovered that lying is OK, well as long as you’re a democrat. Could it be that you are talking about the study that determined that cheating on your spouse can sometimes be a healthy thing to do? Maybe it’s the study that came to the conclusion that people who believe in God have a mental disorder. Yeah, that’s probably the one.
Well one thing is for certain, if you and Liger and your fellow trolls have a higher IQ than the rest of us, it sure can’t be seen by the quality of your posts.
Regards,
30 Godfrey // Nov 10, 2006 at 7:10 pm
Hank: Clinton is flawed in other areas but he is most certainly an incredibly intelligent man. He wasn’t awarded the Rhodes Scholarship for nothing.
However I recall seeing a study that claimed to extrapolate an approximate IQ from the college grades of both Bush and Kerry. Both were in the mid-120’s but Kerry was a few points behind. I can’t cite it, but then I wouldn’t be the first in this thread not to cite a study.
“If the Democrat leadership misreads their “mandate†and begin their same old legislative recipe for bigger government and more entitlements, they could be in trouble in 2008.”
As Balko says, even more important is whether Bush & Co. misread the election and try to act a little more “blue”-exactly what the electorate voted against. Sean Hannity was just talking about this: I usually consider Hannity a simplistic, incendiary blowhard but that doesn’t mean he’s not occasionally right.
nyceloj: …many of us believe the war is not against Libertarian principles.
I’m with you on that one. I sort of view libertarianism as an internal national ethos which should have little to do with foreign policy. The only foreign policy decisions that should be influenced by libertarianism involve trade, and on that score libertarianism is pretty straightforward: open up all foreign markets to minimal regulation and zero tariffs as long as those markets agree to reciprocate (or even if they don’t, some would argue).
Can you imagine the good we could do for, say, Cameroon, if this policy were adopted? And with not a dime of taxpayer money. It’s heartbreaking…but that’s another topic.
The anti-war stance is largely a Libertarian Party plank and, as you said, is not really justified by the core philosophy of libertarianism as I see it. If you have a system based on freedom there will always be a need to protect it. And the more freedom you have the more it is worth protecting.
31 kajun // Nov 10, 2006 at 7:19 pm
Now for 2 years of Nancy Floozie throwing peaches at President Bush.
32 Godfrey // Nov 10, 2006 at 7:43 pm
For all you Rummy fans, here’s a touching, 2-minute video tribute.
33 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Egospeak,
Re: 29
Hey Genius: It’s psychological not psycological.
Or possibly the study that found that all democrat children are above average? What’s this? Now, that’s incoherent!
You’re are really a girl, right?
ET
34 Godfrey // Nov 10, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Hey ET re: #33 - Its “Democrat”, not “democrat”. Remember that when you are using a word as a proper noun it is necessary to capitalize the first letter.
Also, it’s redundant to say “you’re are”. You see, “you’re” is really a contraction of “you are”. Nifty, huh?
Please let me know if you need any further help with your spelling and/or grammar. I’ll be here all weekend.
35 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 8:46 pm
Dumbmeister,
“Clearly neverthink is the poster child for the axiom: Figures don’t lie but liars figure.” Comment by Darthmeister — November 10, 2006 @ 6:12 pm
“The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.†H. L. Mencken
ET
36 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 8:53 pm
Godfrey,
Thanks for the lesson in grammar, it might help me!
See, it’s so easy for me to be generous this week!
You’re are really a girl, right?
ET
37 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 8:54 pm
Dumbmeister,
“Clearly neverthink is the poster child for the axiom: Figures don’t lie but liars figure.”
Comment by Darthmeister — November 10, 2006 @ 6:12 pm
“The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.â€
ET
38 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 9:04 pm
IDspeak,
ever “trying to find a coherent thought to†think,
Do you mean ever “trying to” think a coherent thought? See, that’s better, isn’t it? But, thanks anyway.
We won you know,
ET
39 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 9:17 pm
Smart Smedley,
Its “Democratâ€, not “democratâ€. Uh, prissy the was a cut and paste from post 29.
ET
PS
I’m leaving in a snit (sic) now, I don’t have to stay here and be insulted … I can go anywhere.
40 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 9:18 pm
that
41 bystander // Nov 10, 2006 at 10:30 pm
http://www.miniclip.com/games/united-we-dance/en/
42 egospeak // Nov 10, 2006 at 10:31 pm
everthink,
Yeah I misspelled psychological. That only puts me a couple hundred behind you.
And yes, I do mean ever “trying to find a coherent thought to” think.
Regards,
43 conserve-a-tips // Nov 10, 2006 at 10:34 pm
ET, phone home.
44 RedPepper // Nov 10, 2006 at 10:48 pm
#43 c-a-t: I don’t think Vonage™ has extended its service out to Saturn yet. And anyway, the storm would interfere …
45 everthink // Nov 10, 2006 at 10:59 pm
Egospeak,
“Or possibly the study that found that all democrat children are above average?”
My grammar checker says this is a sentence fragment. But then, I guess Microsoft could be wrong to too. It was you who started the nit pick; now, I guess you’re the official scorekeeper, too.
In the original statement I said: “The Institute found ….†I would have thought one of you brainy folks might ask what Institute?
Did I mention, the dimdonk moonbats beat the snot out of your party?
ET
46 egospeak // Nov 10, 2006 at 11:45 pm
everthink,
Indeed it was. The entire paragraph was intended more as stream of consciousness than a proper grammatical argument.
I’ll bite… what is The Institute?
Regards,
47 rv // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:15 am
et:
If the R’s won by the margin the D’s won by, there’d be nothing but whipin’ and wailin’ and gnashin’ from the MSM and an absolutely HUGE flurry of calls for investigations and lawsuits (and all the other disgusting tactics that typify your ilk).
“Beat the snot” out of ‘em?
Typical of a moonbat.
Using a telescope when a microscope is need and searching for galaxies with a proctoscope.
48 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:20 am
Time to put all your election toys away and go to bed
49 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:37 am
Actually, he meant to say The Institution. He hears lots of stuff there. ET, I hope you have never criticized Bush for his failure to be “a uniter, not a divider.”
I hope you’re not a Little League coach. A player, perhaps, but surely not a coach. Watch George Allen, and others, and see how to accept a loss graciously, learning from it, and without looking for excuses (even though there were plenty of them available). Watch, and learn.
In high school, my own IQ was determined after multiple testing to be in the 160s (I was hyper, so teachers questioned it). Who cares? It was unimportant because I earned everything I have with hard work and people skills, never earning a cent with my IQ.
50 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 2:10 am
ghoti,
I wasn’t elected to national office so my position for or against unification wouldn’t be reason to disqualify my criticism of any half-wit including, but not limited to, George W. Bush.
This site should be the last place on the net to talk about unification (Although Jerry Falwell, and the Moral Majority have been bought and paid for by the Korean Unification Church of Rev. Sun Myung Moon.) this is a place where hypocrisy and disunity have found expression, and reason for being.
So ghoti, let’s see if I understand you correctly, you rode the short bus, and wore a helmet to special education classes in Western Kentucky (possibly Hopkinsville). In an effort to find out the cause of your spastic behavior problem, your “educators†administered repeated IQ test (kind of like looking for a pulse) until you say you achieved a score of 160 (Stanford-Benet Intelligence Scale, I assume) then they told you, so you could tell those who laughed at you, that you were some kind of an “idiot savant†with an IQ of 160. I suggest an independent retest if you’re less than 24 years of age.
Actually I was the general manager of a youth football program (135 players) for over 10 years. I ran a very successful program where winning did count, (but let’s not switch sides, remember I’m the bleeding heart liberal).
Do you mean I should follow George Allen’s “Welcome to America, Mukaka” example? How about Rush Limbaugh? I’ll pass if you don’t mind.
ET
51 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 3:41 am
Wow, ET, the first indication of your ability to actually organize thoughts into coherent sentences.
I’m 59 years of age, from North Georgia until I enlisted in the USAF at age 20. I wore a helmet of sorts in basic training for the first time in my life, and didn’t ride a school bus, so don’t include me in your ridicule of the handicapped.
I was being paid to play in the Chattanooga Symphony and Opera Association Orchestras at age 14, and became the only 6-year member of Georgia All-State Band, so my parents easily consented to an independent retest. The conclusions: God gave me a gift, and I was bored in most of my classes. I never shared the knowledge of my God-given capabilities with my classmates.
I have 31 years of experience as a very competitive band director. We were consistent winners, and winning is important, but I threatened my kids’ participation status if they ever displayed bad sportsmanship to a losing group. I can excuse poor losers, but have never understood the motivation behind being a “poor winner.” It is self-demeaning, and I pity the kids on losing teams that had to endure the sophomoric ridicule and juvenile name-calling of you and your bunch.
Allen, after having been stalked repeatedly by a jerk, addressed him with a highly questionable term that has been repeated thousands of times by the left arm of the DNC, the MSM. Virginia Democrats got what they wanted - maybe - so it’s surely gotten all the mileage that is politically useful. It should be interesting to see how they handle Jim Webb.
You, and they, must be terribly confused by the graceful concessions and dignity of Allen and the other “losers.” Republicans are blaming themselves, not the voting fraud in St. Louis and elsewhere! What in the world are they thinking? Surely they can find a Kym Cason! It’s not normal! (Psst… we don’t adopt the Michael Graham/Nancy Pelosi approach, “Either we win, or you cheated,” and the RNC has no 66-page mobilization plan instructing that “If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike.”)
Btw, I was a registered Democrat for years. I wavered when Lt. (jg) Kerry made his seditious ‘71 speech while I was still serving, and the McGovern (and he’s back!) choice sealed my decision to switch. I still voted for Carter, but learned my lesson with his mismanagement of the hostage situation. I didn’t leave the party, it left me. Where is Cactus Jack when he’s needed most?
52 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 11, 2006 at 5:46 am
I see Waxman is getting his Government Reform Committee circus revved up:
“I’m going to have an interesting time because the Government Reform Committee has jurisdiction over everything,” Waxman said Friday, three days after his party’s capture of Congress put him in line to chair the panel. “The most difficult thing will be to pick and choose.”
And:
“Among the issues that should have been investigated but weren’t, Waxman contended, were the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, the controversy over the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s name, and the pre-Iraq war use of intelligence.”
I must be living in a parallel universe; I thought those had been flogged, ad nauseum, into oblivion.
53 JTD // Nov 11, 2006 at 5:53 am
ghoti,
You are so right, 20,000 ballots here in st louis not counted.
No paper ballots at some precincts and no one answeing the phone at the board of elections. That was in this election. It is suspected that this isn’t the first time.
Before the election “Acorn” turned in 45,000 ballots of dead people or people who didn’t exist.
I too, am a convert since 1991 during the Cental LA riots.
I voted for Clinton once. What an eyeopener.
No new taxes? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just ask Michael J
JTD
54 JTD // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:04 am
Ghoti,
You are so right. Blanton voter fraud here in St Louis.
“Acorn” turned in 45,000 ballads before the election of dead and non existent people. Who knows what else.
Only 150 paper ballads at some of the precincts and the board of election commisioners must have decided to go to lunch a little early, say 6:30 a.m.
I too am a convert, right after the South Central LA riots.
JTD
55 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:27 am
However I recall seeing a study that claimed to extrapolate an approximate IQ from the college grades of both Bush and Kerry. Both were in the mid-120’s but Kerry was a few points behind. I can’t cite it, but then I wouldn’t be the first in this thread not to cite a study.
Yes, I saw that too and I haven’t seen anything that debunked it. A couple of points mean little, however. As to Clinton, however, he’s a bright man but he doesn’t have an IQ of 182. If you have an IQ of 135-140 that’s pretty dern bright. I tested at 128 one time and 130 another but I think there’s a lot less emphasis on IQ because there are other ways at looking at intelligence.
Now this is merely anecdotal (and I have such stories, too) but I can’t tell you how many times someone told me about former classmates who appeared as dumb as rocks ending up becoming a millionaire or someone who is a CEO, bank president or some influential, succesful person of some kind.
Of course having/making money doesn’t necessarily equate to high IQ but what good is high IQ if it doesn’t necessarily make you successful, prosperous and well-adjusted? I’ve heard it said some of the more successful criminals are high IQ people, so I guess its sort of a mix bag when considering certainn social and moral implications.
56 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:33 am
“The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.†H. L. Mencken
I bet what you would find, neverthink, is people like you find much more favor with the American public than people like me. You tell them what they want to hear, I tell them what they need to hear. Not to say I’m always right, but I am right more often than I am wrong. See, you’re the politically-correct cosmopolitan metrosexual and apparently that’s the vogue right now. Bill Clinton is another, why do you think people around the world swoon over this guy even when he’s one of the most self-interested, mendacious liars known to man.
57 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:35 am
Correction, the one thing Clinton isn’t is him being a “metrosexual”. He’s a heterosexual predator. But the other points apply.
58 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:47 am
This just in:
DEMOCRATS: OUR WIN PROVES AMERICANS ARE NO LONGER STUPID, IQs MUST HAVE RISEN TEN POINTS SINCE 2004
59 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:33 am
I can’t help wondering if the person who first posted the Mencken quote on this thread realizes that it is dripping with sarcasm and describes people like him who get their talking points from the LLL/MSM.
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.~~Romans 1:25
60 nylecoj // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:38 am
To the SF Veterans, and all of our vets, thank-you
http://www06.123greetings.com/card/11/11/05/34/AG41111053436693.html
61 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:39 am
Whew, a whole lot of arguing about who was the smartest kid on the block. Tis a great thing to be able to conduct an orchestra [I can't] or discover great medical cures for disease [I can't], but, last I knew when I taught Bible study [I can] that God has a unique way of using all mankind, especially those that honor Him. Each person has a gift whether a genius or a laborer, to better the small sphere about him or globally.
I’m sorry the Stanford-Benet Intelligence Scale wasn’t around when our forefathers wrote the constitution, or led our country through the numerous wars that kept our nation free.
Sorry to say, when many liberals look back a thousand years or more, everyone that was inventive, composed music or in anyway made their name to the history books was gay.
Say who needed testing back then. Heck to be smart was to be gay?? Or was a rewrite of history necessary.
Congratulations to those who have towering IQ’s. May of my friends are gifted that way. A few have MS, and most certainly we will all die someday-that is the equal playing field
62 nylecoj // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:46 am
http://www06.123greetings.com/card/11/11/05/44/AG41111054440454.html
63 egospeak // Nov 11, 2006 at 9:19 am
for”ever” searching for a coherent thought to “think”,
re: 29
I guess I’ll have to explain the post to you since the only thing you seem to have gotten out of it is a misspelled word and a sentence fragment.
The unnamed “studies” I referenced (which BTW are as legitimate as your still unnamed study) all point to the same thing, that high IQ, advanced degrees and smarmy elitism do not necessarily correlate to common sense or the ability to observe the obvious.
A number of years ago Time magazine had on their front cover a story that breathlessly declared that men and women are different, and not just physically. Why, they interpret things differently, they respond differently emotionally. Can you imagine that? Well yeah.
The comment about Democrat children was a parody of Garrison Keillor and his observation about the children of Lake Wobegon. Surely you know of Garrison Keillor? Brilliant liberal Democrat?
There were endless stories in the MSM in the late 90’s about lying and how it wasn’t so bad and adultery and how cheating on your spouse could sometimes be a good thing and strengthen your marriage. Really???
You remember the late 90’s don’t you? Monica Lewinsky? Lying to a grand jury? Impeachment? Any of that ring a bell? BTW, there is a big difference between lying about hiding Jews in your secret basement in Germany in 1942, and lying to protect your own skin after you’ve done something wrong.
There are any number of liberal professors at elite colleges and universities who not only mock and despise Christianity and Christians but consider anybody that is religious to be mentally disturbed. They have that right but I would agree with the pundit who said, “Only someone with a degree could believe something that stupid”. That’s a paraphrase, I couldn’t remember the exact quote or who said it.
Lastly, there are no specific studies that I can reference, I was simply using your template.
Regards,
64 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:13 pm
Hello? Anyone out there!
65 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:14 pm
Abra Catawba Hocus Pockatus
66 upnorthlurkin // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:15 pm
To all veterans in the vast SF audience, my humble but huge thanks for your sacrifices, bravery and heroic service to our wonderful country!! I love each and every one of you!!
67 RedPepper // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:25 pm
#63 Ms RW: Ain’t nobody here but us chickenhawks!
Still … Happy Veterans Day, all.
p.s. Hi there, upnorthlurkin!
68 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Hello…..hello…..hello…..hello…..
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
69 RedPepper // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Hey there, JL3!
They still haven’t put you in that re-education camp?
70 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:32 pm
71 RedPepper // Nov 11, 2006 at 12:51 pm
72 egospeak // Nov 11, 2006 at 1:01 pm
re: 67
One of the great guitar solos of all time. I have a tough time deciding which one is better “Comfortably Numb” or “Money”. All praise to David Gilmour.
Regards,
73 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 1:30 pm
Guys, I apologize for the earlier post. It sounds like a Bill Clinton “me, me, me” statement. My intended point was that God-given talents are as useless as a booger unless they’re applied, but I was too sleepy to connect the dots. Stayed up all night with a sick wife.
Egospeak, I was a huge Keillor fan for years, still having all of his books, tapes and CDs, shirts, cap, etc. I haven’t listened to him, even once, in over a decade. After leaving the country, upon his return he seemed to have lost his creative flow after money became his primary motivation.
He was still enjoyable, but became just another Barbra Streisand political hack. Btw, her records make a refreshingly attractive fire (insinuation intended). I bought both of them as wonderful entertainers, but they now sell a less tasteful product.
74 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 1:34 pm
Btw, Scott is rapidly zeroing in on 10 million visitors. Which of you will post the comment that marks that milestone?
75 RedPepper // Nov 11, 2006 at 1:38 pm
#73 Ghoti: I’ve been noticing that for a while myself. Not to worry … another 100K won’t show up in a day …
76 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 11, 2006 at 1:43 pm
RE: #71~~
egospeak~~
Yes, indeed. I have been listening to “Comfortably Numb” (from “Pulse [Live][Disc 2]“) repeatedly the last few days (as an antidote for the post-election despondency I feel afflicted by, I think). Even after all these years, that guitar still gives me goose pimples.
The lunatic is on the grass…..
77 myword // Nov 11, 2006 at 2:18 pm
I haven’t been visiting this site as often because ET and ilk are “numbingly boring.”
The wit of the SF faithfuls is always refreshing.
Quote - “Be courteous to everyone, not because they are necessarily gentlemen, but simply because you are.
R.E. Lee
78 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 2:27 pm
Ghoti (fish?)
Thanks for the resume’. It’s easy to see you would like to be regarded as an exceptional person. Well I, for one, think you are. Moreover you are certainly in the right place here at Scrappleface.
It is such an interesting life you say you have led. Let’s see, you are 59 years old. That would mean you’ve been voting for, at least, 38 years, you say you were a Democrat until the South Central LA riots. That would be 1992, right? So if you left the Democrats 14 years ago, that suggests you were a Democrat for 24 years. That’s a long time for a smart guy like you to be “Democrat dumb!†I think when the party left you it was intentional!
“I have 31 years of experience as a very competitive band director.†So, you’re a band director, and you think you know about “sportsmanshipâ€. Competition, among band people may be a big thing to you, but to most others it is not! Ask anyone here: who is the “National Champion Bandâ€? People go to watch the game, not the band.
In those years I was a Youth Football GM. I have often explained to parents that I have been with losing teams and winning teams and that winning is better! The idea is not just to “participateâ€, the football player must play to win. Coaches must demand excellence! Excellence must be rewarded! Excellence starts, and plays; while “participants†gets in the required minimum of play, then sits on the bench.
“… I pity the kids on losing teams that had to endure the sophomoric ridicule and juvenile name-calling of you and your bunch.â€
Look here Ghoti that never happened, and would not have been tolerated.
I have been posting here for several years. Early on, I pled for a reasonable exchange, but I was called unchristian, and unpatriotic. Ridicule was all that was offered to the alien on this “Conservative Siteâ€. I have been told to leave this site repeatedly; people here have told me to leave America often. I have read thousands of insults to people I have admired, and many outright lies right here on this satire site.
Regarding, your “so don’t include me in your ridicule of the handicapped†remark. The only person ridiculed in my post was you, and your claims of unusual mental abilities.
When I first posted here as Bravo39, I asked what it was the folks here hated so about Kerry, prettyold told me I was among my “bettersâ€, a comment that still stings, it was a “Welcome to America†Mukaka moment.
I answered her that I doubted I was “among my equals.†Frankly, except for the generosity of my forbearers, I would not be. Would someone here please confirm my bona fides, I know how my recitation ruins your claims of superior patriotism here.
Even though I am the least holy among you, and I believe you have at least two ordained holy men here, and one great pretender; I have, at one time, committed to memory more scripture than most of you have read. But, with D. L. Moody, I say, “No unholy hands have ever been laid on my unholy head.â€
In closing, maybe I should say that I have once been described as “profusely intelligent†in a court of law. No, no, it had nothing to do with confinement of any sort. I don’t want to do numbers with you. People having the same IQ, will often have disparate abilities.
But Ghoti, there is one other thing: People generally find me interesting!
It’s been fun meeting you “Band Personâ€, please don’t bother again.
ET
79 egospeak // Nov 11, 2006 at 2:59 pm
everthink,
Just one correction regarding your comments about Ghoti. As he stated very clearly in his post, he left the Democrat party after John Kerry’s seditious speech in 1971 and the Democrat choice of George McGovern for president in 1972. He has not been a Democrat for the past 34 years. JTD make the comment about leaving after the South Central riots.
Regards,
80 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 11, 2006 at 3:30 pm
Re:72 Ghoti
I just composed a story about my days with Garrison but my Corel Word Perfect will not give it up. Hopefully I can peel it away and re-apply it here. sigh
81 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Egospeak,
I stand corrected. It was JTD. But, whenever it was you can keep him!
Why do you think he felt the need to announce his IQ? Sounds kind of insecure doesn’t it?
I don’t think I believe him. I think it is a fantasy, an odd fantasy. I could, and sometimes do, do much better!
I never wanted to strut in front of a bunch of brightly clothed honkers, beaters, and blowers.
Say genius, do you get to wave one of those long staff thingies.
ET
82 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 3:48 pm
-. +?
83 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Thanks for clarifying the math for ET, egospeak.
Our football team is quite competitive every year, but, although I attend myself, the band does not perform at many of the games. When we do perform, it is in preparation for a competition the next day. We’ve won every battle with administration over the issue, but I’ve always won because “people go to watch the game, not the band.” We serve our own educational and competitive purpose, and are no longer used to enhance gate-receipts.
Having been a linebacker on a state championship football team for three years (yes, I was in both), and with the coaching staff being among my favorite golfing buddies, I’ve never understood the rivalry between football and band folks. The coaches have always fought to keep my supplemental pay equal to their own, but I guess some people just can’t live without jealousy/rivalry.
The regional winners are Kisko, Harrison, Plymouth Canton, Ronald Reagon, Ayala, Carmel, King Phillip, Tarpon Springs and Upland High Schools, with the National Champion to be determined tonight in the RCA Dome in Indianapolis. The home side has been sold out - 50,000 fans. The DCI World Champion was crowned in August, with nearly 100,000 fans paying $65 each for the finals alone. The band world seems to be alive and well… and self-sufficient.
You would never have tolerated sophomoric rhetoric and juvenile name-calling, but you practice it yourself? Yes, I also find you interesting.
Your final comment, “please don’t bother again”… was that an invitation for me to leave this site?
84 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 4:19 pm
The purpose of my “resume posting” was explained on #72, but I really don’t care how I’m perceived by you, or anyone else. The first three words in your third paragraph of #80 pretty much sum it up.
The full surname is ghotiol, with ghoti being a nickname, if that’s somehow important.
85 egospeak // Nov 11, 2006 at 4:41 pm
Ghoti,
re: 82 & 83
I had intended to come to your defense but was having trouble with my wireless connection. After reading #’s 82 and 83 I can see that it was unnecessary.
I assume that your band is in the competition tonight. Best of luck and God be with you and your wife.
BTW, IMHO it was completely appropriate for you to “post” your resume, considering the context of the “conversation” with ET.
Regards,
86 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 11, 2006 at 4:46 pm
In a nutshell: Last Tuesday’s election saw the defeat of Objectivity by Subjectivity.
87 nylecoj // Nov 11, 2006 at 4:48 pm
ghoti = fish is from an old elementary spelling text.
Gh in enough = f, o as in women = i and ti as in nation = sh.
It also crossed my mind whether your sign on name came from that. You have a very interesting last name, where is it from?
88 egospeak // Nov 11, 2006 at 4:54 pm
everthink,
re: 80
Forgive my intellectual dullness, but what on earth does, “do you get to wave one of those long staff thingies” mean? And to whom are you refering with the, I assume sarcastic, “Say genius”, me or Ghoti?
Regards,
89 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Nylecoj, George Bernard Shaw (an insignificant musician) used the ghoti = fish example in teaching phonetics. I completed it with ol as in Colonel = er. The actual surname is the more common, Americanized spelling of Visser. My father came here from Oostmahorn, Holland to join the army when it became obvious that Hitler would take his homeland. Many of my Visser cousins are still there, one of whom (Pieter) is the retired bergermeister of Dokkum. My grandfather was in the Dutch Army Band in 1910; he was a “blower,” a euphonium player.
Egospeak, I just trying to give you, Darthmeister, and others a break. Perhaps I was jealous because you guys were bearing all the gratuitous verbal abuse, so I volunteered myself as a target. I find it to be funny, because I hear the same self-demeaning tactics applied by kids when they “debate” a disagreement. The kids who find it necessary to resort to personal insults are almost always at fault, having no factual grounds to lend credibility to their argument.
90 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 5:46 pm
Ghoti,
Please, don’t stop now; do tell us all about yourself. It is just fascinating! I know I speak for everybody, when I say; you may have found a way to bring us together.
ET
Genius, isn’t “personal insult” redundant?
91 mig // Nov 11, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Long thingie to shake by a band master is a baton (?)
92 mig // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:01 pm
This election was not a MANDATE.
The Dems are crowing but over what? Nanny Peloisi? and Harry Reid that Land baron? The last gutter that Kennedy pulled himself out of is now a DC Shrine? Shumer earned his Soros salary?
P-L-E-A-S-E
93 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:18 pm
Mig,
I think you’re right! This election was not a MANDATE; but it was most certainly REPUDIATION of the Republican Party, and an AFFIRMATION of ABB.
ET
94 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:24 pm
Mig,
Naw, I think it’s called a Drum Major’s Staff. I know, why don’t we ask David Fisher, the amazing Mr. Knowitall!
ET
95 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:30 pm
ET, I responded to a question, just as I responded to your silly contentions on #21. Some background info was necessary to make the point, and I provided it.
No, since “personal” and “insult” are not synonymous, “personal insult” is not redundant; but please, do carry on.
Mig, the “long staff thingie” is a “mace.” It was used only for marching bands, and hasn’t been used by bands in the south for several decades. Conductors use a baton, 10-12 inches in length, with the best ones made by Mollard. They are used as an extension of the right hand, making the beat, or pulse, more visible to performers.
Now can we return to discussion of the “new direction” we were promised (pun intended), as mentioned in Scott’s article. ET, to get to my house, find I-24, follow it for awhile, then eventually take a new direction. You can’t miss it. I must warn you that some “right turns” will be necessary in finding your way.
96 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:38 pm
ET, I don’t know anyone named David Fisher, and I certainly don’t know it all, but I’m quite well versed in my field.
I agree that the election was a mandate against Republicanism, but certainly not against conservatism, and Pelosi seems to recognize it, too. She might actually succeed in some areas of healthy reconciliation if she can rein in some of her mavericks, but that’s a really big and doubtful “if.”
97 kajun // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:46 pm
When I was a bandleader, we always had numerous requests—we played anyway!
98 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:58 pm
Ghoti,
You are really a rare person, but you do remind me of another Scrappler who called himself: 95Bravo.
Please take just take a little longer, and tell us all about: The Genius Who Wore A Helmet/Ghoti’s Air Force Days, wont you?
You know this place is populated heavily by “ChickenHawks”. Tell us how it feels to be a Falcon.
ET
99 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 6:58 pm
That’s funny, kajun. I earned my way through college playing piano at Shakey’s Pizza Parlor, taking requests, some of them the same request as the one you inferred. It’s good to see your re-appearance on SF.
100 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:01 pm
That was a pretty good one Kajun. I hope you are well.
101 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:06 pm
When it becomes critical in making a point, perhaps it will be necessary to share the Air Force experience, but don’t confuse me with either of the two John’s, Kerry or Murtha.
102 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Re: 100
Ghoti,
Be sure, I won’t!
Unless you have a Silver Star too, it won’t be hard to tell you apart!
ET
103 everthink // Nov 11, 2006 at 7:59 pm
Ghoti:
Re: 95
Conservatism is an ambiguous term. Many people believe Barry Goldwater would not be welcomed by today’s conservatives. Republicans have long used a broad brush to define all Democrats as “Liberalsâ€. Now, you expect Democrats to delineate between Republicans and “Conservativesâ€.
Most Democrats will think of that like De-Baathification, if not De-Nazifcation.
You have been heavy-handed in your dealings with Democrats. Republicans have not treated Democrats like citizens.
You go tell Nancy, Harry, and Ted of your new power sharing idea. Of course what you are talking about is American Democracy? It is the right thing, but that was true under the Republicans too.
104 Hawkeye // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Kajun,
I see your wit is still alive and well. Good one! Now that’s the kind of wisdom we all need more of. Carry on, sir. Oh, and best wishes to Mrs. Kajun.
(:D) Regards…
105 nylecoj // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:20 pm
Ghoti, that was good (the last name spelling) I am very slow today apparently.
I hadn’t realized where that phonetic phrase came from; I just knew that I had seen it in an old text book.
106 nylecoj // Nov 11, 2006 at 8:24 pm
An excerpt from the following must read.
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000136.html
Using the internal reasoning behind the Chickenhawk argument means you cannot comment on, speak about or even hold an opinion on any subject that is not part of your paying day job. It is simple-minded and profoundly anti-democratic, which is why it so deeply appeals to those who sling it around the most.
But wait! There’s more!
If you accept the Chickenhawk argument – that only those actually willing to go and fight have a legitimate opinion on the subject of war – then that means that any decision to go to war must rest exclusively in the hands of the military. Is that what this person really wants? To abandon civilian control of the military? That’s the box they have trapped themselves in with this argument. Now to be perfectly honest, I think Robert Heinlein made a very compelling case for just this line of reasoning in Starship Troopers (the book, not the clueless projected travesty). Heinlein said that the only people who should be allowed to vote are those that have served in the military, since only they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of the state. I don’t agree with that. I think civilian control of the military has been one of the pillars of our nation’s success, and it has withstood the test of both World Wars and Civil ones. But that is the world you are stuck in when you toss that little Chickenhawk grenade.
107 Ghoti // Nov 11, 2006 at 9:06 pm
No, ET, I don’t have a Purple Heart. I never got a splinter in my butt, attempted to accumulate awards to escape my responsibilities, filmed my experiences for future political aspirations, or made seditious statements while the lives of friends were still on the line.
If those statements constitute heavy-handedness with Mr. Kerry, he earned it.
Democrats/liberals are not necessarily synonymous, but the far-left extremists have wrested control of the party, so they can be painted with broad strokes unless so-called moderates manage to display courage of independence. I don’t expect any delineation whatsoever from the magnificent avengers. The Republicans blew it, and I expect the Democrats to blindly operate under the assumption that the election was a mandate favoring liberalism. If I’m wrong again, I still prefer Koop’s mustard with my crow.
Very enlightening, and appropriate, nylecoj. Thanks for the link.
I must take my wife to Wal-Mart now to get her out of the house for awhile. With her white blood cell count totally out of whack, and having waited by the phone for nine days expecting a report from her second exam for the lump, we’re wondering if the Canadian health care system has been adopted here in Kentucky. She’s retired, no longer feeding the tax system, so she would be expendible under the Canadian plan.
108 myword // Nov 11, 2006 at 9:13 pm
nylecoi - re: post #105 Thanks for posting that link. I came across it yesterday. It’s a good one.
Here’s something from it:
“Today, it seems that legions of people – growing legions – are falling victims to ideas and beliefs that on the face of it are patently false…things that are so clearly and obviously nuts that you really have to wonder what deep, mighty engine of emotional need could possibly drive a brain so deep into a hole. Seriously now, there are millions and millions of people on this planet who will torture logic and reason to mind-bending extremes in order to believe monumentally ridiculous “theoriesâ€â€¦ theories drawn from an emotional need so warped and debased that you are catapulted beyond anger and disbelief directly into pathos and the desire to call 911 before these people hurt themselves.”
It reminds me of a quote from Bertrand Russell:
“The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence whatsoever that it is not utterly absurd.”
Another excellent piece is at Four Right Wing Wackos.
It is here: http://4rwws.blogspot.com/
Scroll down to the one headed:
Perfect as The Enemy of the Good - A Dose of Reality
109 egospeak // Nov 11, 2006 at 9:48 pm
everthink,
re: 102
Every now and then you will post a comment that, while I might not agree with it, is nontheless thoughtful and non-pejorative. If you were to make that your standard I honestly believe that you would be welcome at Scrappleface. It doesn’t mean that those of us who disagree with you are suddenly going to change our minds, but I think we would all be able to agree to disagree without being disagreeable.
Regards,
110 Shelly // Nov 11, 2006 at 10:21 pm
Since ET has attempted to flood the thread, it has made reading the comments much faster. At this point, I go to the bottom of a comment to see who made it and whether or not I’ll bother reading it. I couldn’t tell you one thing he said.
Kajun, may we now make the opposite request? We love to hear from you as often as we can. The same goes for Mrs. Kajun. (Perhaps even more so.
)
111 Shelly // Nov 11, 2006 at 10:27 pm
And to any veterans reading or posting here: Thank you, God bless each and every one of you, we cherish you, we honor you, we respect you, we owe you, we support you, we applaud you, we pray for you, we love you. Mere words will never truly communicate the awe we are in. Godspeed.
112 georgemcgovern // Nov 11, 2006 at 10:28 pm
I’m back to loose another war!
113 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 10:42 pm
As Bravo39, neverthink would rarely if ever accept the counter-arguments that we either linked to or made ourselves to debunk many of his claims.
From the beginning he constantly disrespected Scrapplers by never admitting that we had a valid opinion or at least had an argument worth investigating further. At times one Scrappler or another would reasonably challenge his post line-by-line.
I doubt whether he even bothered to follow the hyperlinks and as one of his personas I believe he has actually admitted as much. As most Scrappler know from personal experience, he acted like he knew it all and when cornered he threw his own personal bona fides into the ring probably believing they should be sufficient to shut us up. And when really cornered he began throwing the “chickenhawk” label around as previously noted.
Now if some stranger walked into a neighborhood picnic and conducted himself in the manner Bravo39/neverthink did, after an hour or so of contentious, bullheaded, self-righteous blather, he would be shown the gate. A hundred years ago he probably would have been shot for his insults.
The fact that this troll has hung around for two years plying insult after insult demonstrates what a divisive, ill-mannered, mean-spirited party crasher he really is. And then he has the gall to whine about it and blame us, neverthinking once it may have been his attitude and/or personality that was the real problem! Absolutely breathtaking.
Now remember, he’s from the side of the tracks that spews all the predictable tripe about world peace, compassion, tolerance, blah, blah, blah … and he can’t even get along with his own American neighbors! What hubris!
Certainly Brave39/neverthink is smart enough to figure out that we are only reacting to him and his trollish attitude, but his own pride and self-righteousness won’t let him accept the obvious because, you see, people like neverthink really do believe they are superior to everyone else who won’t drink the same kool-aidâ„¢ and when someone dares push back that’s when their arguments and temper tantrums get even more juvenile. Hence, neverthink’s descent into mulitple troll personalities and banal put-downs.
One would think he would have figured out by now that if everyone here is reacting to him pretty much in the same manner, then the problem has to be his and not ours. He can’t possibly like what he sees in that corporate mirror we present so to salve his conscience he engages in a “poor is me” gambit - once again “proving” to himself his superiority to us and our inferiority to him. And in a perverse sort of way, for a person like that, it’s like tying red meat around ones neck to get the dog to play with him. Why else would someone continue stirring a boiling pot with their barehands, the guy loves being a punching bag and then blames us for it!
With all your strife, with all your hate, and with all your arrogant fingerpointing, how many people here have you converted to your way of seeing the world, neverthink? Now that I’ve been able to backtrack your troll personalities it’s no wonder you are perceived by most everyone here as little more than a burr under a saddle. But apparently you must take some kind of perverse pride in being a flatulent nuisance.
114 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 11:23 pm
From Jonah Goldberg at NRO:
They had to run that clip because the much of the rest of (new Virginia’s Senator) Jim Webb’s speech was an absolute riot.
He started off by mentioning that “tomorrow is an extremely important day for America,” and the crowd went wild, thinking he was talking about taking power. But of course, he launched into his praise of the Marine Corps, and the crowd cheered a little less loudly. Then he thanked all the brave veterans and brave men still fighting, and the crowd cheered a little less loudly again.
Then he mentioned that he received a call from Sen. Allen, and the crowd went nuts again. Then he mentioned how pleasant and dignified Allen was, and the crowd grew quiet. Then he said he was having lunch next week with Allen — and the crowd was dead silent. Finally he told the audience that they should all thank Sen./Gov. Allen for his many years of dedicated service to the people of Virginia — and you could almost hear the people gathered looking at each other asking, “What the #&!! did we just do?”
It was priceless.
Buwahahahahahahaha!
115 Darthmeister // Nov 11, 2006 at 11:23 pm
… Harry Reid stole my post in exchange for some real estate in Nevada.
116 camojack // Nov 11, 2006 at 11:45 pm
Robert Heinlein…said that the only people who should be allowed to vote are those that have served in the military, since only they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of the state.
Comment by nylecoj — November 11, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
Speaking as a veteran, I might be inclined to agree, since so many people who do vote seem to be quite ill-informed…but I’d be willing to settle for a test for voters, to determine that they’ve got a sufficient grasp of our government and the issues (and what’s at stake) to be allowed the privilege.
(Oh, but golly gee, that would be unconstitutional, huh?!)
117 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 12:24 am
Darth,
You do know the crowd didn’t say that, don’t you? What have you done with your head? Well, pull it back out!
ET
118 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 12:58 am
Hank
Re: 111
I confess most of what you have said is true! But, I do remember once when you were still Hankmeister, that you, Santini, and Da Zumenator (or something like that) referred me to a site you were all excited about, saying they had some proof, or another about some fact you thought vital. I went there it turned out to be the NRO. I hadn’t been to that site before. I left, and then reported back complaining it looked like Bush Campaign Headquarters, or something. Saying; “it had Dubyah stuff everywhere.” I said “It was a “regular Kool-Aid station; I don’t do that, and you’ve had too much already!”â€
Ah, those were the days. The days before we lost 3,000 of our finest young people, and spent $400,000,000,000.00. The days before Haliburton gouged every dime possible out of the American people with no- bid deals.
The days before Katrina, when we watched our fellow Americans struggle with the result of the flood, and FEMA’s complete ineptitude, only to hear our Chief Executive declare: “ Yer doin a great job, Brownie†(head bob, snark snark). Once again we heard the 911 lament: “How could we have known?†It was the administration’s job to know! Put down “My Pet Goat”, and try TV!
That was before Kenneth Lay, the chairman of Enron, called “Kenny Boy” by President Bush, stole the investment funds, and retirement benefits of thousands. The days before the scandals of the corrupt “party of family valuesâ€, the Republican Party, who had you fooled completely, because you chose to believe a bunch of anti-Christ preachers and priests.
That was before America was disgraced before the world by an idiot emperor with no clothes.
My views haven’t change in the slightest! If anything they are almost completely vindicated. How about you Hank?
Well, America has come around, and without a disgraceful bunch of rubberstamp whitewashers, it soon will be time to pay the piper!
ET
119 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:04 am
changed
120 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:18 am
Hank, Scrapplers,
THEN, DON”T FEED THE TROLLS! There are things I need to say to you! Unlike you, I don’t want to sit around, and belly-ache, about you to others like myself! Hank, you are a giant in a land of little people, bravo!
ET
121 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:44 am
Shelly,
Thanks.
ET
122 mig // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:24 am
Do we start crowing that the elections were stolen and Diebold company is a turncoat and sold out to the leftest terrorists?
123 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:35 am
geesh, what a night of bellyaches. I, too had a bum stomach but took an Alka Seltzer
124 onlineanalyst // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:22 am
Following the bitterly contested 2000 presidential election results by the Dems, President Bush reached across the aisle to the opposition party to craft several domestic programs in education and health benefits for the aged. Both of these entitlement efforts will bankrupt the younger generations into a bleak future for determining their own economic self-determination and freedom.
More money was poured into education through NCLB than through any program prior to that period. The Medicare bill with its Part D prescription plan has also wildly increased a debt that will be borne by our young working generation for untold decades. These moneys will never be “enough” for those with the entitlement mindset.
Unions in general, the teachers’ union in particular, and AARP rallied their PACs for influence and their numbers to the polls to effect an impact on the election results.
Amazingly (or not!), the whiners still hearken to FEMA’s role in response to Katrina, never pointing with the same feverishness of outrage against the ineptitude, which continues to this day, of the local governments in rectifying the distress.
The nanny-state mentality short-sightedly fosters the growth of unwieldy Big Government with its inefficient bureaucracy and perpetual demands for more, more, more of the budget. That greed for a bigger piece of the economic pie is perpetuating an increased helplessness in the citizenry and a theft of their earned dollars through the extortion of increased taxes.
Those two legislative examples of the foolishness of working in a spirit of bipartisanship are a warning to put on the brakes and think twice about what the promotion of the general welfare and security of the nation really is.
When President Bush won the elections of 2000 and 2004 with comparable divisions of votes, the Dems shouted that the results were not a mandate for the Republican vision of governance. The outcome of this midterm election are not that much different. The Dems did not win a rout. We are still virtually a 50-50 nation in terms of our partisanship. Yet the Dems are gleefully seeing a mandate for their own “vision” for America.
Within each party, though, there is a spectrum of opinion in terms of national economic, social, and defense/security issues.
Prior to the election, surveys were indicating that the nation was moving to a more conservative stance, away from fringes on the left and the right. The triumph of the Blue-Dog Democrats bears out this analysis. If there is to be any working together in the spirit of bipartisanship, the legislative and executive branches had better be taking their cue from the real message sent out by the voters. The mandate of the election in reality is more fiscal stewardship and less government intrusion on personal liberties- and the latter includes the freedom of our own pocketbooks.
125 Darthmeister // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:27 am
Hank, you are a giant in a land of little people, bravo!
Thank you for proving my point, you arrogant twit. You think nothing of disrespecting the people on an entire site and yet condemn us when we defend ourselves against the mendacious spin and lies of a few trolls. It’s not our fault that you choose to believe NYT/WaPo/NBC/ABC/CBS/BBC/NPR/CNN and left-wing blogsites are the only official sources for news. In the information industry, truth is truth wherever it may be found.
And I find it strange that you somehow get validation of your worldview by elections won or lost. Not too long ago you thought the American people was stupid and ignorant electing Republicans - 2000 (which were stolen in your Bizarro World), 2002, and 2004. And now here we have a very thin margin of victory by the Democrats who won on the strength of the conservative Dixiecrat vote and all of a sudden it validates every thought you’ve ever had until time immemorial.
And as we had pointed out earlier, the out-party in the sixth year of a two term President usually perform in a manner similar to what the Democrats just did, it’s political and has little to do with determining the rightness or wrongness of ones position on an issue, despite liberal media spin to the contrary.
If 78% of the American people got it wrong about going into Iraq (and I don’t believe we were wrong), then its entirely possible the American people can be just as wrong about cutting-and-running from Iraq. And the history surrounding America cutting-and-running from Vietnam ought to sober any American today, particularly with respect to an enemy that has expressed its desire to follow our infidel troops right back to American soil.
126 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:30 am
I submit that all of this talk concerning the finding of some nebulous “common ground” between the Republican and Democrat parties does not bode well for the future of this country.
127 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:44 am
It was priceless.
Buwahahahahahahaha!
Comment by Darthmeister — November 11, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
And you called me “juvenileâ€, and a bad sport! Of course, once again, your resident big mouth is celebrating a complete lie.
ET
BTW I’m not Liger! He is a much better writer than I.
128 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:45 am
It was priceless.
Buwahahahahahahaha!
Comment by Darthmeister — November 11, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
And you called me “juvenileâ€, and a bad sport! Oh’ course, once again, your resident big mouth is celebrating a lie.
ET
BTW I’m not Liger! He is a much better writer than I.
129 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:12 am
Darth,
“was stupid” change that to “were stupid”. Some people discovered their stupidity, others have not, and sadly some never will.
ET
130 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:22 am
Darthwoowoo,
And don’t call me “twit”, yesterday was Veterans Day. Show some respect you, “Chickenhawk”!
If your “gas” would do it, we would have won the war already.
As ever,
ET
131 conserve-a-tips // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:13 am
Darthmeister,
ET is practicing the liberal idea of monopolizing the floor in order to keep any opposing facts and opinions from being heard. In the Senate, they call it ‘filibustering’, but the liberals really don’t understand that concept’s true nature.
Actually, we could just respond to each other and ignore the troll until he finally gives up. Unlike a filibuster, we can skip through his meaningless drivel and pick and choose to whom we listen and respond.
And on that note, I have determined a ‘given‘ that can be found in the book of Conserve-a-tips and can be used for any statistical proof:
Given any election - when conservatives lose, they blame themselves, accept the process and accept the “will of the people”.
and
Given any election - when liberals lose, they blame the conservatives, blame the process and say that the people are too stupid to vote or know what is best for them.
Therefore, in any election won by the liberals, voting machines work perfectly and there is a mandate from the people, but in any election won by the conservatives, the voting machines are rigged and the people are just mind-knumbed robots.
132 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:27 am
Instead of shooting each other in the head all night, why don’t we look at issues the Dems will certainly be putting on the table, like minimum wages.
Most of what I have seen here as of late is past history or one explaining how brilliant they are.
Neither has much to do with tomorrow now does it. Name calling, well it seems like it belongs in Washington, not Scrapple. All consternation is going to do is drive readers and regulars off. But then, that might be what some have in mind.
Off to clean cups at the cafe. Hope to see ya later.
133 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:30 am
Conserve-at-tip,
See 118.
I agreed with you. Ignore the troll, please.
ET
134 everthink // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:32 am
Troll, such a kind term from such kind people! It’s OK.
135 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:35 am
We try to deal in facts here.
136 egospeak // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:57 am
Heirborn Ranger,
Isn’t today your 69th birthday?
Best wishes, and many more,
137 SGT USMC 1ea // Nov 12, 2006 at 12:07 pm
Wow ET has come out of his shell-and like a deformed turtle it is not a pretty sight.
Tu autem effugare diabole ET.
Hey, stranger! Where’ve you been?
Comment by camojack — November 10, 2006 @ 9:14 am
Well I don’t think I am any stranger but I have been off traipsing the world accomplishing mighty deeds.
Deus est Semper Fidelis
138 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 12:33 pm
Good Morning Scrapplers.
One of the issues that is going to be on the table as we go forward is the immigration issue.
This Sunday edition of the Houston Chronicle has an article bylined by Eliza Barclay of the Houston Chronicle Foreign Service regarding the effect of 25% of Salvadorans departing to work elsewhere (insert US) since 1980.
The following are some of the effects.
A rancher with 150 head of cattle complains “There are few young people left in this town, and the ones who are here don’t want to work. They say farm work pays badly, so they won’t do it.”
So the rancher followed the lead of some neighbors and hired immigrants from Nicaragua without work visas to tend his flock, as well as to cook and clean his house.
And, “Some Salvadoran businessmen are complaining that remittances - payments to people here by relatives who immigrate to other countries - are allowing young workers to become lazy and finicky about jobs.”
Nelson Reyes, the Houston representative for Carecen Internation, said: “Remittances are a form of welfare for Salvadorans back in El Salvador. They’ve becomne something damaging for some families because they’re not used wisely.”
Jesus Aguilar says “Remittances have not been able to energize the country’s productivity” and “According to a report released by the world Bank last month, the costs associated with remittances are rarely taken into account, while the benefits are frequently overstated.”
And there’s more.
“The steady income from the outside has made it difficult for businesses to find local workers at a wage they can afford, if they can find them at all, according to Manual Orozco, head of the remittance and development project with the Inter-American Dialogue in Washington, D.C.”.
By allowing the unfettered (at least until now) influx of
illegal immigrants across our borders, we have harmed not only our own homeland but the homeland of the immigrants as well.
“Be courteous to everyone, not necessarily because they are gentlemen, but simply because you are.”
R.E. Lee
139 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Hugh Hewitt has an interesting take on the election numbers.
http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2393
I’m concerned the Republicans are going to misread the election and feel it was a mandate to start acting more like Democrats. Big mistake.
Be courteous to everone, not because they are necessarily gentlemen, but simply because you are.
R.E. Lee
140 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Whoops. Wrong link.
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/
141 Darthmeister // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Scott,
What’s up with Samaritan’s Purse and their Operation Christmas Child?
I hope they aren’t going PC on us. What’s with Christmas gifts without reference to Jesus so as not to offend Muslims?
142 conserve-a-tips // Nov 12, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Ms Rightwing, Ink and Myword:
In response to the call for a discussion of issues and the information on the immigration issue, you might find this article informative about the Democrat’s plan regarding the present bill just signed into law. Evidently, they may repeal it.
I truly think that immigration will be the explosive issue of our time, tantamount to the issue of slavery in the mid 1800’s. I invision it splitting the “North” (blue states) from the “South” (red states) in the same way, where states’ rights is the real issue and immigration, like slavery, is the final straw.
But unlike in 1865, the Republicans are in the ‘South’ and the ‘South’ today, has more industry and technology then the ‘North’ and could beat Washington, DC into submission. So, would the Red States’ be led by Grant or Lee and which would Tom Tancredo and John Kerry be??? Just thought that I would tickle your debate bone. Unfurl yer confederate flags, y’awlll.
143 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Darthmeister
Samaritan’s purse (Samaritan used an act of kindness that Christ himself found to be exemplary ) better listen to Wal Mart. After offending Christians by saying Happy Holidays, this year they will now say Merry Christmas. Now if they would put the ringer back inside the Salvation Army bell
144 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 2:08 pm
conserve-a-tips
Here in Ohio the minimum wage law, passed in an Ohio ballot is a big issue as Mom and Pop stores are being threatened. Only 2 percent of national wage earners make minimum wage but unions pushed a economy threatening bill onto the ballot. Gee, who wants the masses working for such a low wage?
I wish my disability was such a big issue. If the idea for a minimum wage at $7 an hour goes through they will nearly double my take home wage leaving me so far into the poverty index that I might just as well move to Nicaragua
145 Stop The ACLU // Nov 12, 2006 at 2:12 pm
Sunday Funnies…
image courtesy of faithmouse in reference to the ACLU thinking the election was a mandate for them.
And I have to share this in honor of Rumsfeld.
Trey Jackson shares some peanuts.
Church and State: You know you are talking to a liberal if̷…
146 RedPepper // Nov 12, 2006 at 2:29 pm
#140 c-a-t: I agree that immigration is “the explosive issue of our time”. Particularly where integration into the “host” culture is either ignored or actively resisted.
Our problems in the US are minor compared to what is happening in Europe, but we need to understand how truly awful these problems can become. A couple of examples :
Great Britian and
France.
147 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Let me toss in my 2 cents about disability without shining the light on me directly to much.
I started working when I was 15, picking tomatoes and produce [ a job no American will do ]. When you are 15 and living in a rural/ factory town, money is power.
Nearly all my life I had moderate to high income jobs but the last ten years before my body quit, I helped my friend take care of her mother for room and board so I could get through college [ I was in my mid 40's ]. After I graduated I then took care of my same friend who died of cancer. Soon after, I went on the road as a freelancer, storyteller, and held down a steady job as a columnist.
After moving to Ohio, now in my 50’s I was forced to stay self-employed and returned to school once more to become a chef. Employment was hard to come by in my , ahem, middle aged years so I started a newspaper, then later opened a restaurant.
All this start up business and my stints as a pastry chef made a low payment to social security, as well as my time away from employment while I finished my final two degrees in college.
Then I discovered I had MS and was forced to go onto SSI.
All the wages I earned earlier in life counts for nothing, nada, nutin. You can run across our border and work a few years and send all the SS money back “home.”
So who is the winner and who is the loser. SSI pays less than minimum wage and I get $11 a month in food stamps.
I am a great believer that all your wages means nothing when you need them back. I know people who never worked a day in their life and get the same SSI. So do you bum all your life away, or pray you never fall between the cracks.
All right, that is my beef.
148 Laughing@You // Nov 12, 2006 at 3:48 pm
Scrapplers,
I am very sorry to report the demise of Smedley Smythe, known to many here as E.T. Everthink. ET, as he was affectionately called by Scrapplers, was lynched at a Jim Webb Celebration Rally by a group of crazed George Allen supporters, whom he had deceived into voting for Jim Web.
Authorities are seeking the identification of the chief agitator of the mob. He is described as a barrel-chested, bow legged, Cretan wearing a black helmet and facemask.
Troll Central has named Snidely Snicker as his replacement. Mr. Snicker, who will be remembered by many of you as Laughing@You, will be returning to Scrappleface after a long absence owing to his despair after the 2002 elections.
RIP ET
149 Laughing@You // Nov 12, 2006 at 3:54 pm
webb
150 gafisher // Nov 12, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Speaker Gingrich did a lot for the Conservative movement, but now that he’s begun second-guessing the President maybe it should be “Read my lips? No, Newt — ask us!”
Announcing Rumsfeld’s retirement just before the elections, or in fact any time after both the domestic Dems and their al Queda contingent started demanding it, would have telegraphed weakness and reinforced the idea that US foreign policy is just a game to be played.
151 onlineanalyst // Nov 12, 2006 at 6:37 pm
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats, who won control of the U.S. Congress, said on Sunday they will push for a phased withdrawal of American troops from Iraq to begin in four to six months, but the White House cautioned against fixing timetables.
“’First order of business is to change the direction of Iraq policy,’ said Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who is expected to be chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the new Congress.
“Democrats will press President George W. Bush’s administration to tell the Iraqi government that U.S. presence was “not open-ended, and that, as a matter of fact, we need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months,†Levin said on ABC’s “This Week†program.”
And I suggest that Carl Levin and his fellow-moonbeam travelers head to Iraq and stay there throughout while this “brilliant plan” is implemented.
152 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Why should Bush tell them. Let the cowards tell them.
Grrrrr…..
153 Laughing@You // Nov 12, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Headlines: Dowd says, 41 thinks 43 fell in with neo-con nutjobs. Dad’s team to do an intervention, and try to save the world from Dubyah.
154 Darthmeister // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:14 pm
I think you have that right, Ms RightWing.
On to other news. This is how razor thin the Democratic control in Congress will be for the next two years.
Joe Lieberman fired a warning shot across the bow of the Democrats in his Meet the Press appearance this morning. When asked whether he would consider following Jim Jeffords’ example and switch parties, Lieberman pointedly left his options open:
Sen. Joe Lieberman on Sunday repeated his pledge to caucus with Senate Democrats when the 110th Congress convenes in January, but refused to slam the door on possibly moving to the Republican side of the aisle.
Asked on NBC’s “Meet the Press” if he might follow the example of Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont, who left the Republicans in 2001 and became an independent, ending Republican control of the U.S. Senate, Lieberman refused to discount the possibility.
“I’m not ruling it out but I hope I don’t get to that point,” he said. “And I must say — and with all respect to the Republicans who supported me in Connecticut — nobody ever said, ‘We’re doing this because we want you to switch over. We want you to do what you think is right and good for our state and country,’ and I appreciate that.”
Of course the Donks would be begging someone from the Republican side to jump ship … and it won’t be Lincoln Chafee!
155 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:26 pm
Maureen Dowd is (to put it as kindly as possible) a deluded, self-aggrandizing fool lost in a paranoid fantasy.
156 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:31 pm
[ahem]
157 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Murtha as Majority Leader.
Egad.
158 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:49 pm
I love the Internet for this reason (among others).
159 Maggie // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:49 pm
Happy Birthday Fred.Hope you have had a wonderful day and best wishes for many more.Wahoooo!!
160 onlineanalyst // Nov 12, 2006 at 8:53 pm
Oh, good grief!!! Madame Pelosi is supporting Murtha as Majority Leader. The fix is in. The House is replacing a “culture of corruption” with another such?
161 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:05 pm
There is a positive piece in the Houston Chronicle today about Secretary Rumsfeld with the byline of Douglas J. Feith and a note that it is reprinted from the Washington post. I tried to Google it so I could link it for you - but surprise, surprise - nothing on the search engines that I could find. Lots of negative articles.
You can try going to http://www.HoustonChronicle.com and then type in … The real Rumsfeld I knew … in the search bar. I don’t know if you can get in if you’re not a subscriber.
Apparently this was news that wasn’t fit to print BEFORE
the election.
If you’re interested I can email you the article. Just email me at:
lettypack@aol.com
Be courteous to everyone, not because they are necessarily gentlemen, but simply because you are.
R.E. Lee
162 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:12 pm
OLA
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. It may turn out to be a blessing for our party. The more moonbats they put forward, the quicker the populace will see through them
and their obstructionist policies.
At least that is my wish.
Be courteous to everyone, not because they are necessarily gentlemen, but simply because you are.
R.E. Lee
163 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Maybe I can get you into the article on Rumsfeld here.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/4328121.html
164 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Christian charity in England bans Christian themed children’s gifts - Muslims might be offended.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=415551&in_page_id=1770
165 onlineanalyst // Nov 12, 2006 at 9:44 pm
myword:
I had bookmarked that Feith editorial re Rumsfeld earlier and sent it along to other admirers of Rumsfeld. I truly think we lost a terrific asset to our nation with his resignation. It’s too bad that the media got away with caricaturing and demonizing him.
Mark Steyn observed in his column today that we Americans are suffering from ADHD with the readiness of too many to accept a withdrawal from Iraq before the victory is achieved. The consequences of our haste will be long-term and more deadly.
Are we so acclimated to instant gratification that we expect a conflict to last only the length of time we allow a television series to last? Do we expect foreign policy to be dictated by election cycles? We were told that the conflict with those motivated to destroy our nation and Western culture through terrorism would be a long one. When will the next opportunistic political banshees be screeching about connecting the dots? They are not seeing the dots in front of their own eyes.
166 conserve-a-tips // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:10 pm
Onlineanalyst: In answer to your questions in paragraph 3 - Yes…too bad.
167 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:19 pm
Darthmeister
I tried to start a new conversation after a couple of days of personal attack. Obviously I hate you is a better topic than social security. sigh
168 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:22 pm
“George McGovern, the former senator and Democratic presidential candidate, said Thursday that he will meet with more than 60 members of Congress next week to recommend a strategy to remove U.S. troops from Iraq by June,” the Associated Press reports from Lincoln, Neb.”
I thought he was dead and fed to the walleyes
169 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:23 pm
The results of tomorrow’s meeting between President Bush and Baker’s Iraq Study Group will tell the tale.
I’ll try not to despair until afterwards.
170 onlineanalyst // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:23 pm
Charlie Rangel insulted Mississippi, BUT Mississipi has the last (and best) word.
171 onlineanalyst // Nov 12, 2006 at 10:33 pm
Links are available in this snippet by Mario Loyola with very encouraging developments in Iraq.
For example, in an interview with Maliki:
“Then there is this long (20+ minutes) interview, in which PM Maliki talks to the BBC’s John Simpson. The encouraging thing here is how convincingly Maliki talks about imposing “the authority of the state,” and he shows a pretty nuanced view of the danger the militias pose outside state control, and the role they can play if properly regulated. He also makes a point I had never thought of, which is that the United States and the Coalition have an obligation under Security Council resolutions to maintain security in Iraq until Iraqi security forces can take over. And by the way, he has every intention of seeing Saddam hang before the end of the year. (Click on the video, it’s worth watching in its entirety).
“The Maliki interview (from November 7) gets even more interesting with recent reports of a looming cabinet reshuffling in Baghdad — Maliki wants to be sure that his entire cabinet puts the central government above their respective parties.”
(Notice the date of this interview. These remarks by Maliki are not post-American election judgments.
172 Darthmeister // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:02 pm
An interesting psychological perspective on big screen HDTV. Would like to see an actual study on this issue.
173 Laughing@You // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:05 pm
Ms RightWing, Ink,
I hear you, and I’m sorry about your difficulty.
Hey somebody, listen to one of your own here, will you?
174 conserve-a-tips // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:06 pm
Ms Rightwing, Ink: George McGovern was so liberal back then, that my liberal friends and family actually voted for Nixon. Nixon coined him the candidate of “acid, amnesty and abortion.” Seems like he has a bunch of buddies in his party now. Back then he was kinda on his own.
175 myword // Nov 12, 2006 at 11:46 pm
Investors Business Daily has a comprehensive article on “97 reasons Democrats are weak on defense.”
Apparently the Democrats have an aversion toward history. They certainly seem compelled to repeat it.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=244423511626964&secure=29#top
176 JamesonLewis3rd // Nov 13, 2006 at 5:24 am
RE: #170~~
Darthmeister~~
I would volunteer as a test subject if, that is, they furnished the testing equipment.
177 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 13, 2006 at 8:41 am
re:173
It is not about me, it is about countless thousands, if not more, that cannot get their social insecurity after working their whole life.
Run for the border and get a check.
And to all a great morning. Not to worry, the enemy will self destruct under the weight of a million bloggers.
178 Ms RightWing, Ink // Nov 13, 2006 at 10:12 am
Hello????
179 conserve-a-tips // Nov 13, 2006 at 12:20 pm
Ms Rightwing Ink re # 173:
As to the self-destructing; I hope so. I just remember that we had to endure Carter and Clinton and all of the damage that they did in the meantime. I realize that we have come out of those years stronger and with a better understanding of what NOT to do, but I feel like the character and basis of our country has suffered nonetheless.
It is amazing to me to watch the old movies about the Democrats vs Republicans and to read books on the subject and how things have reversed so completely. Those, like many in my family, who think that they are die-hard Truman/Kennedy democrats don’t realize that it actually means they are Reagan Republicans. The Democrat party has been sold out to the socialists and the communists with a few in the middle hanging on for dear life.
It is not that I am pessimistic. I am not, because I believe that there is One who is higher in authority then the Democrats or the Republicans or the United States of America. But I do love my country, and it pains me to see it slipping into the selfish, codependent state that it seems to be going. My experience in knowing that God allows people to have exactly what they demand, is just a little scary!!
I hope that you are having a good day and I hate to hear about your Social Insecurity issues. You are correct and the whole system is a mess. If you look at Roosevelt’s address to the congress, he never intended for it to continue this long. I am pretty sure that when I get to that time in my life, there won’t be much left. How do you cope?
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