(2006-10-04) — The attorney for disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley today offered more biographical background about his client who allegedly used his elected position to prey on high school boys sexually.
Previously, attorney and longtime friend David Roth had confessed that Mr. Foley is a mentally-ill alcoholic who was molested by clergy in his youth, and yet takes full responsibity for the unspecified harm he has caused to others.
This morning, Mr. Roth said that Mr. Foley had been exposed to second-hand tobacco smoke, and high levels of partially-hydrogenated soybean oil during his childhood.
“He’s not trying to duck responsibility for his alleged behavior,” said Mr. Roth, “it’s just a fact that these toxins are part of who he has become.”
The spokesman said experts are also “looking into whether a young Mark Foley may have consumed lead paint chips or mercury-laden fish, or if he was forced to play violent sports or had a school teacher who used a red pen to grade his papers.”
“He’s still taking full responsibility for everything,” Mr. Roth added, “but at the very least, an explanation of possible environmental factors will add a few extra chapters to his forthcoming memoir.”
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1 onlineanalyst // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:10 am
Research is ongoing re the impact of global warming on Foley’s perversion.
Meanwhile Foley’s attorney is weighing in with Patrick Kennedy’s to determine whether there are any other exculpatory factors.
Speaker Hastert takes full responsibility for not being Patrick Kennedy’s designated driver at the time of the late-night session.
2 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:10 am
God Bless America!
3 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:11 am
You are what you eat? Hmmm, that is a deep thought.
4 MargeinMI // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:24 am
The trans-fats made me do it! Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Good morning Ms. RW! Hope you’re feeling better today.
5 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:26 am
“[H]is forthcoming memoir,” tentatively entitled “Jack D., Clergy and Me: On Becoming Devoid of Personal Responsibility Regarding My Personal Decisions”.
6 Just Ranting // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:36 am
We need a full investigation…
Did he make any congressional junkets to the Neverland Ranch?
Does he have George Michael on his speed dial?
Does he own the first three season DVDs of Will and Grace?
Any Village People costumes in his closet?
Does he own a white van with bags of candy in it?
And where did he and Barney Frank go on vacation?
C’mon, let’s get lurid, inquiring minds want to know!
7 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:49 am
MargeinMi
Kicking, but time for my morning steroid dosage. Three more days and I am a free woman (from steroids and antibiotics).
But-it was so nice to sleep in my bed without a 93 year old woman crapping in her bed at 4:30 a.m. I know that sounds mean but for what ever reasons out local hospitals are loaded right now so rooms are hard to get
I’m glad I had my ruby slippers with me. There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home
8 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:10 am
I bet it was the Twinkiesâ„¢. Twinkies defense always works.
9 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:15 am
Now, this is sick:
(CNSNews.com) - A Kansas-based group that says “God hates fags” plans to picket the funerals of the Amish girls killed by a disturbed man in Lancaster County, Pa.
The Westboro Baptist Church — described as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League — has made a name for itself by picketing the funerals of U.S. troops killed in Iraq. The troops are dying as punishment for America’s tolerance of homosexuality, the group says.
10 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:17 am
Just heard a top of the hour report that the DemDonks are gloating that the Foley scandal will given them the fifteen seats they need in the House.
Already the DemDonks have overplayed their hand and this will energize the Republican base who are offended at the thought that an entire political party can be tarred and feathered by a bunch of political hacks using guilt-by-association tactics.
Mainstream Americans will realize Mark Foley did what he did not because he is/was a Republican but because he was a homosexual predator. In fact, a man like him would have been far more comfortable in the Democratic Party and would have found far more support than what he’s getting now.
If the homosexual community is not mired in its own anti-Bush Derangement Syndrome, they should be offended by how the DemDonks are mercilessly attacking Mark Foley even after he admitted his wrongdoing and is now getting help (so we are told). This tactic by the Dems, if it continues for weeks on end leading up to the election shouldn’t sit well with the American people who understand the real political dynamics of this scandalmongering by the Donks.
11 mustardseed // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:21 am
I think one of greater authority than any of us said it all.
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’ ” Matthew 15:16-20 (NIV)
12 gafisher // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:24 am
Until the blame-shedding began Foley seemed to qualify for at least a tiny bit if respect (well, a little less contempt) for resigning, seemingly within minutes of his sin becoming public. How many of his colleagues, after all, have defiantly refused to demonstrate shame when caught in circumstances which disgraced themselves and the Congress? Now pride has trumped repentance, and it looks like the most Foley will admit to is weakness, and even that someone else’s fault.
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:8,9)
13 gafisher // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:33 am
Darth #10: “…a man like him would have been far more comfortable in the Democratic Party…”
Maybe it’s time to trim back that “big tent” and start sending the RINOs back to their cages. A “majority” that lacks both distinction and moral authority is no majority at all.
14 Maggie // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:40 am
Good Morning Ms Right Wing,
Perhaps your elderly incontinent hospital mate ate some tainted spinach….speaking of which……
Do you think there may be a connection between tainted spinach and congress because they are all FOS(full of spinach)causing diarrhea of the mouth.
Just Ranting re#6
Just too funny……LMHO (choking on coffee)
Esp. loved the line about congressional junkets to Neverland Ranch.(Heck,I loved them all)
JL3…..re #9
No worriies….just ask Camojack.
15 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:50 am
But was he forced to listen to the Red Hot Chili Peppers?
16 refinch // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:51 am
My lawyers are telling me to plead that I was on a “Twinkie High” when I helped get Foley elected to the Florida House in 1990.
Will that work?
17 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:53 am
If Mark Foley had been a Democrat, Democrats would have argued:
1) Republicans engaging in the politics of personal destruction.
Republicans are being mean-spirited and are willing to use a minority to achieve their political goal of holding onto to Congress, thus denying Democrats the opportunity to impeach Bu$Hitler.
2) Republicans are homophobic by mercilessly attacking Foley when he hasn’t really done anything wrong.
3) Foley shouldn’t resign his seat because, a) he didn’t have sex with any pages, it was only words, b) let the courts of law decide his guilt, not Republicans.
4) Republicans should let the voters in his own district judge him at the ballot box
5) The salacious letters didn’t affect his ability to execute his duties as a U.S. Congressman
6) The salacious letters were written while he was drunk and he shouldn’t be blamed for the trauma he suffered by being molested by a priest
7) This is more of Republicans dirty tricks, using a homosexual for an October surprise.
9) We Democrats have no plan for anything, but vote for us because Republicans don’t like homosexuals who haven’t done anything legally wrong. It’s only allegations.
18 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:55 am
Has anybody (including gays) ever picketed the The Westboro Baptist Church. Do they ever have funerals where reasonable thinking Christians can yell and heckle them.
I know that type of behaivor is wrong and I could not picket their funerals-but my flesh could easily raise up agin’ em.
19 conserve-a-tip // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:07 am
Well, good morning. Y’all are really on your game. Too many good posts!! And great Scott…you are bad!
Darmeister, I love your list. Truer words were never spoken. I wish that you would send that to Rush. He’d love it.
Godfrey - (from the other thread) - notice that I said that the entire Democrat party was not blamed for Clinton’s indescretions until they started making excuses for him, trying to blame a right wing conspiracy instead of letting him take responsibility for his own actions, and claiming that his lying and his affair was a private matter between consenting adults. At that point the party became part of the problem and so, yes, they got blamed and are still being blamed. But the Republican party is making no excuses for Foley (although as Scott points out, he is making plenty on his own) and is leaving him to his own devices and moving on. If they had done it any differently I would have been upset and would have been lumping the Republicans in with the Democrats.
20 antodav // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:21 am
How perfectly wonderful of Foley to use the Roman Catholic Church as a scapegoat for his vile behavior. I hope Catholics in Florida lash back at him for that, as the Church is struggling to put that disgrace behind them.
One more reason why the Republicans deserve to be kicked to the curb of Capitol Hill in November.
21 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:23 am
RE: #18~~
Ms RightWing, Ink~~
I hear ya. I’ve already pictured myself wading in to them with a baseball bat or something. :::::repenting even as I type:::::
If they (that particular “church”) actually do as threatened, it will remove any doubt in my mind as to their vile allegiance-to satan. Now that I think about it, just threatening to do such an outrageous thing does that already. Now that I think about it some more, what they’ve already done does that.
It. just. ain’t. right.
22 boberinagain // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:24 am
Morning folks, what’s doing on this fine fall day
I notice that Hank still hates “fags”
Good to know we can count on something
23 boberinagain // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:25 am
That the overwhelming majority of child molesters are seemingly straight, married men should do nothing to change anyones mind
24 Maggie // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:29 am
Scott re # 19 (translation)
For those of us in the “Hip Hop” world…..bad means good. Word up……truth to power.lol
25 Maggie // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:31 am
Boberin…re # 22
Do you think Hank hates you?
26 red satellites // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:47 am
Good morning Scrapplers!
In Los Angeles it’s 7:45 AM…do you know where your El ninos and ninas are?
27 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:13 am
Well, now, this could get really interesting:
RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday he might opt to dissolve the Hamas-led government and that unity talks with the Islamist group had broken down.
“My constitutional powers, granted by the basic law, will be used in (the appropriate) time,” he said at a news conference, in a clear reference to a possible presidential edict to dissolve the government.
28 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:33 am
JL3! You really expect folks to pay attention to serious matters when we have all these trivial scandals to occupy our time with? Why, we don’t even know yet who the father of Anna Nicole Smith’s baby is!
29 MF in FL // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:40 am
To #17 Darthmeister:
But nooooooooo. He’s a Republican and just like in other matters similar to this, his bros and sis’s in the party with their jellfish spines are sitting on their fat washington asses wringing their hands. R.I.P.- Newt, Trent & Tom.
Be prepared - Speaker of the House Pelosi, Chairman Rangel, Chairman Conyers, Senate Majority Leader Reid. Armeggedon is just around the corner.
30 Shelly // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:42 am
Does anybody have a hankie? I mean, I got through the smoke, the trans-fats, the lead paint chips, the mercury in the fish okay, but that (sniff, sniff) red pen? The humanity!
31 boberinagain // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:46 am
Maggie, I’m certain that Hank would use other adjectives but yes, hate sums it up pretty well.
It’s all good
32 Shelly // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:50 am
Oh, and I see Bob still hates Christians.
33 GnuCarSmell // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:15 pm
There is also concern that Foley’s tofu was made from genetically-engineered soybeans. Male tofu eaters suffer terribly from Naughty IM Disorder.
34 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:17 pm
RE: #28~~
RedPepper~~
LOL
The MSM act like we really care, too.
[gak]
What a waste of ink, airtime, bandwidth, pixels and stuff.
RE: #29~~
Shelly~~
Yes, I agree.
(JARRING CHORD)
(The door flies open and Cardinal Ximinez of Spain (Palin) enters, flanked by two junior cardinals. Cardinal Biggles (Jones) has goggles pushed over his forehead. Cardinal Fang (Gilliam) is just Cardinal Fang)
Ximinez: NOBODY expects the RED PEN! Our chief weapon is suprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Our two weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency…. Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope…. Our *four*…no… *Amongst* our weapons…. Amongst our weaponry…are such elements as fear, surprise….
35 Godfrey // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:18 pm
boberin re: #22 - that seems rather uncalled for.
Shelly: response in last thread.
JL3 re: #9 - truly mystifying.
CAT re: #19 - I’m not saying there aren’t differences in the tactics of both parties…they do represent different mindsets and different social groups, after all. But I don’t think the differences are quite as pronounced as many here think.
As Ambrose Bierce once said, politics is “a strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.”
36 hwy93 // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:22 pm
Hello All, At least Foley resigned. For a moment I thought he was just going to switch parties.
37 boberinagain // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:37 pm
Hey hwy93, how have you been?
Godfrey, called for or not, it remains a fact and, as stated, one we can count on with comforting certainty. Methinks he doth protest too much but what do I know? Nothing
38 Godfrey // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:38 pm
Does this qualify as “politics of personal destruction“?
Hmm…
39 Godfrey // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:42 pm
Boberin: it seems presumptuous of you to lump all negative emotions and/or views under the term “hate”.
As for your intimation that Hank is gay, that is also uncalled for. Ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of the incompetent.
40 Shelly // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:50 pm
RE: 37, no just bad judgment. If you are going to run for office you should first destroy pictures of yourself wearing only body paint. It’s in the handbook.
41 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 12:56 pm
Thank you boberin for putting words in my mouth, now take your foot out of yours …. liar. Quit being so PC. Is Mark Foley a homosexual predator or is he not? Is Bill Clinton a hetereosexual predator or is he not? Ask Juanita Broaddrick if you doubt the latter.
Hetereosexual … homosexual, I calls it like I sees it, bober and if you want to make false allegations against me when I speak my mind about homosexual predators, then continuing your ad hominems. It just shows you what a Nazi thought police you truly are in your kneejerk attempts to beat me with your PC club.
42 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Godfrey, thanks. But your logic won’t work on bober’s ginned up self-righteous indignation. Besides, where’s bober’s outrage at this homosexual predator … hmmmmm?
About your #37. If I interpret it correctly, you’re asking if there isn’t a Republican conspiracy behind those pictures being used to discredit a Democratic candidate. Yes, at one level that may be an example of the politics of personal destruction, if indeed Republicans are behind this. Who knows, maybe the guy had a mistress who accessed his computer.
But I don’t see his Republican challenger making an issue of it … yet. Neither am I seeing calls by Republicans for Democrat congressional leadership to step down because they didn’t exercise enough oversight with respect to their members. Surely they knew this guy was a “body paint freak”, right?
43 Pros and Cons » Wall Street Journalism, the Musical! // Oct 4, 2006 at 1:22 pm
[...] 1. Scott Ott has some great responses to the affaire du Foley here. [...]
44 Godfrey // Oct 4, 2006 at 1:41 pm
Hank: But I don’t see his Republican challenger making an issue of it …
True…unless his campaign team is the party responsible for mailing them to the paper. Which, given politics, is the most likely scenario.
Of course the parallels aren’t exact…they never are. But this seems like one of many examples of how mud-slinging crosses all party and ideological lines.
Nature of the beast and all that.
Shelly: If you are going to run for office you should first destroy pictures of yourself wearing only body paint. It’s in the handbook.
Touchè! If only Foley’d had a copy…
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46 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 2:04 pm
Godfrey, I’ve never said Republicans can’t be partisan or haven’t been partisan in the past. In my lifetime the Republicans have certainly recognized individual Democrat foibles but I don’t remember them trying to turn it into a national issue right before an election like the Dems are doing today. What I do maintain is the Democratic Party is setting a new standard for how low a political party is willing to go to steal elections based merely on scandalmongering, particularly since they are either incapable or unwilling to run on the issues. To me that speaks of a political bankruptcy that can’t be good for America if these partisan hacks gain back the reigns of power in Congress.
Even after Bill Clinton was nailed stone cold for having lied to a Federal Judge and a Grand Jury (which are impeachable offenses despite the DemDonks trying to spin the issue as “only about sex”) I don’t remember any Republican, much less the Republican Party saying, “Vote For Bush And Not Gore Because Bill Clinton is a Sexual Predator” or even “Vote For Republicans Because Bill Clinton Committed Perjury”.
Am I right or am I wearing rose-colored glasses here?
47 Not So Fast » It’s not his fault // Oct 4, 2006 at 2:06 pm
[...] And this is why it is so important for the government to ban trans-fats. [...]
48 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 2:11 pm
More about the Soros-backed 527, CREW.
Sure bet more October surprises coming.
49 R.A.M. // Oct 4, 2006 at 2:28 pm
I wonder why his lawyer didn’t include, “Mr. Foley also was in numerous closed door meetings with Barney Frank!,—-NOT that there is anything wrong with that!”
50 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 2:32 pm
As I continue to hear the cacophony about the scandalé Foley, it reminds me of my utter disdain for organized sports. I could not be more disinterested if I had slipped into a coma. I am having O. J. Simpson flashbacks. Someone, please! Tell me what I have to confess to so it will stop!?!?!
51 Shelly // Oct 4, 2006 at 2:56 pm
Red may be on to something. Is this coverage aired at Gitmo?
52 Shelly // Oct 4, 2006 at 3:03 pm
OT - Powerline has a letter from Michael Steele to Cardin, Dean, Schumer, and the Maryland DNC leader that is definitely worth reading.
53 GnuCarSmell // Oct 4, 2006 at 3:05 pm
I’m not making excuses, but I don’t think Foley could handle the violence in Washington. He never seemed right in the head after Patrick Kennedy’s attempt to fly his car into the Capitol.
54 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 3:14 pm
I, too, am nearing “postal” mode-the MSM has turned that little town into a 3-ring circus.
On another note:
Iran has turned their nuclear facility into a Tourist Attraction.
Yeah, like tourists are flocking to Iran in the first place.
Gimme a break.
55 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 3:15 pm
[push]
56 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 4, 2006 at 4:22 pm
re #47
How come only Republicans are on the hit list. Gosh, it must be nice to be a Democrat-free passes to fantasyland.
57 Godfrey // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Hank: Am I right or am I wearing rose-colored glasses here?
Well, both.
Obviously since I am in agreement with your position on many issues I don’t think you’re “wrong” per se. However there is a very transparent rose-colored veneer to the way you talk about Republicans vs. Democrats.
For instance in your above post Republicans merely “recognize individual foibles” while Democrats are “partisan hacks” who “steal elections based merely on scandalmongering”.
Here’s a very enlightening excerpt from an article describing what scientists found when they coupled politically oriented questions with brain scans of various partisan individuals:
Emory University psychologist Drew Westen put self-identified Democratic and Republican partisans in brain scanners and asked them to evaluate negative information about various candidates. Both groups were quick to spot inconsistency and hypocrisy — but only in candidates they opposed.
When presented with negative information about the candidates they liked, partisans of all stripes found ways to discount it, Westen said. When the unpalatable information was rejected, furthermore, the brain scans showed that volunteers gave themselves feel-good pats — the scans showed that “reward centers” in volunteers’ brains were activated. The psychologist observed that the way these subjects dealt with unwelcome information had curious parallels with drug addiction as addicts also reward themselves for wrong-headed behavior.
The main reason I try to draw distinctions along conceptual lines rather than along party lines is because I see this widespread frenzied attack/defend mode as completely unproductive from a personal standpoint (although I’m sure the party bosses love it).
I prefer clarity, even if it wins me fewer friends.
58 Jericho // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:21 pm
Hank and Thinkfrey, a couple of guys that need to start IMing each other.
59 Jericho // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:21 pm
60 Jericho // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Bob-o - Have any of you ever tried to plug a plug into a plug? Or hook a garden hose to itself? It doesn’t work too well with people either. Not designed that way.
61 Jericho // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:29 pm
Rumor has it that Mr. Foley also was routinely pummled in dodgeball and always chosen last for bombardo while frequently being tagged (even by the girls) in tag. On his only occasion playing freeze tag Mr. Foley never got to unfreeze anyone.
Barney Frank never got sent over in Red Rover either.
And Gary Studds suffered from being the 33rd boy to sign up for shop class and thus being instead sent to learn home ec.
62 Jericho // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:30 pm
And former Governor McGreevy never got to run under the parachute except once and on that occasion he tripped and all his peers laughed.
63 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:48 pm
Godfrey,
I don’t you’ve heard what I’ve said. I’m not aware of a time when Republicans used the moral failure of a Democrat in an October surprise in hopes of tipping an election there way. They didn’t even do it with Clinton. Now can you give an documented example here of where I’m wrong?
I’ve condemned a Republican homosexual predator (Mark Foley), I’ve condemned a Democratic homosexual pimp (Barney Frank), I’ve condemned a Republican heterosexual predator (Dan Crane), and I’ve condemned some Democratic heterosexual predators (Bill Clinton, Gerry Studds). What more do you want from me?
The only thing that comes close to Republicans trying to use a “moral” issue to influence an election at the national level was the 1993-94 Congressional Banking scandal which was actually an institutional failure which eventually came down upon the heads of the Democratic leadership. But this was of a fundamentally different nature than what we’re seeing from the DemDonks today. Am I making reasonable distinctions or do you think I’m parsing too much. I think I’m being very reasonable and discerning here.
Hank and Thinkfrey, a couple of guys that need to start IMing each other.
Why do you say that, you have experience in this field, Jericho?
boberin, just a follow-up here. I’ve been entirely consistent. I don’t see homosexuality as any more or any less sinful than adultery or fornication. Hate the sin and love the sinner. If it had been a Republican heterosexual adulterer, I would have had the same anger toward such betrayal of Republican values and my castigation of the Democrats for politicizing an individual’s moral failure as an October surprise would be just as vociferous. If you can’t handle that frank nuance, that’s your problem not mine.
64 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Sheesh, that should read…”I don’t KNOW IF you’ve heard…”
65 upnorthlurkin // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:51 pm
I’m pretty sure his (Foley’s) mama made him play cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians with toy guns! That would traumatize and “turn” anyone gay! (Tongue planted firmly in cheek)
For the IMAO fans, there’s a new “In My World” that’s hillarious!
66 Beerme // Oct 4, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Whoa, have we had the snarky comments today!
Go to a neutral corner and wait out the eight count…
67 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 6:01 pm
RE: #56~~
Not that it’s all that important but…..
These data from the MRIs Westen performed on self-described Democrats and Republicans have not yet been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, but are currently under revision for publication.
“Everything we know about cognition suggests that, when faced with a contradiction, we use the rational regions of our brain to think about it, but that was not the case here,” said Dr. Drew Westen…..
…..Dr. Westen said, “None of the circuits involved in conscious reasoning were particularly engaged… Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want… Everyone… may reason to emotionally biased judgments when they have a vested interest in how to interpret ‘the facts.’”
So, it seems to me that the inescapable conclusion is that politics makes us brain-dead.
LOL
68 onlineanalyst // Oct 4, 2006 at 6:12 pm
Foley was clearly in the wrong. When confronted with incontrovertible evidence of his IM’s, he resigned.
As I had mentioned in an earlier thread, Foley’s behavior was intended to be “outed” by a gay activist group in retaliation for his conservative positions in support of family and marriage supportive legislation. More information is here.
The group intends to “out” as homosexuals more aides affiliated with Republican legislators. The plans for this smear job to make Republicans appear to be hypocrites as supporters of values has been in the hopper for a while, it appears.
Democrats, ironically the party that NAMBLA loves, are wrapping themselves in their old standby of a concern “for the children.” Nothing could be further from the truth. Allowing young people to continue to work as pages with the knowledge that their “research” operatives had in their possession for a while is a cynical and downright immoral abuse of their power.
Tip O’Neill was not asked to resign over the behaviors of Barney Frank or Gerry (Gary?) Studds.
Speaker Hastert was in the sights of the Democrats as another target to remove from a leadership position. The innuendos about Hastert are just an additional way to wrest leadership from their opponents just as Democrats had attacked DeLay to cost him his position. Attempts to split Republicans from support of their candidates either through sitting out the election as a symbol of their disapproval or through voting for an alternative candidate are just dirty tricks to triangulate.
(I voted for Ross Perot. I ended up with Bill Clinton. I learned my lesson.)
Foley was wrong. He has no one to blame but himself. He is gone.
Diverting the election away from critical issues like Iraq and Afghanistan, border and immigration issues, Social Security’s eventual insolvency, burgeoning saber-rattling from Chavez, Ahmadaboutjihad, and L’il Kim IlRamaLamaDingDong, the need to become less dependent on foreign energy sources, etc. is the Democrat way. The party of obstruction has no plans but the regaining of power. It is a party bereft of ideas that serve the interests of this country.
69 camojack // Oct 4, 2006 at 6:28 pm
I’ll bet Foley consumed saccharin and red dye #2, too…oh, the inanity!!!
70 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Confidential sources have reported seeing Foley on the grassy knoll on November 22, 1963.
71 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 7:32 pm
I wonder if consuming Pepto-Bismalâ„¢ enhances bi-sexuals’ inner predatory child?
72 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Oh, oh, PajamasMedia has found some fishy manipulations of the Instant Messages in question. Check out the links, too. Democrats had better be right on all the points they are making because if there is some collusion with 527s, liberal journalists, document falsification and involvement of Democrat operatives in ginning up this October surprise, this thing will burn them big time.
But Mark Foley only has himself to blame for his own predicament. Too bad its being used by DemDonks who don’t really appear to be all that interested in protecting present and future pages from such homo and hetero predations.
Great post #67, onlineanalyst. I couldn’t have possibly said it any better, particularly you last paragraph.
73 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 7:58 pm
#67 ola: When I was younger, I imagined that someday we would forced to have a serious election … that the problems would become so pressing, and so obvious, that we could not possibly continue to pretend that we were unaware (Elephant? What elephant?) of them.
At this point, I am betting that I will assume room temperature well before that point … (if, indeed, it is ever reached at all …)
74 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:03 pm
Brent Scowcroft Says Woodward Made up Quotes
75 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:13 pm
Oh, here we go! Does the phrase, “Straining at gnats while swallowing camels” sound at all familiar?
76 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:17 pm
Sorry. Rest of post follows.
The U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal Monday by evangelical Christian students and their parents who said a Contra Costa County school district engaged in unconstitutional religious indoctrination when it taught students about Islam by having them recite language from prayers.
The court, without comment, left intact a ruling by the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco last November in favor of the Byron Union School District in eastern Contra Costa.
The suit challenged the content of a seventh-grade history course at Excelsior Middle School in Byron in the fall of 2001. The teacher, using an instructional guide, told students they would adopt roles as Muslims for three weeks to help them learn what Muslims believe.
She encouraged them to use Muslim names, recited prayers in class, had them memorize and recite a passage from the Quran and made them give up something for a day, such as television or candy, to simulate fasting during the month of Ramadan. The final exam asked students for a critique of elements of Muslim culture.
The students and parents who sued argued that the class activities had crossed the line from education into an official endorsement of a religious practice. A federal judge and the appeals court disagreed, saying the class had an instructional purpose and the students had engaged in no actual religious exercises.
Read it here .
Try to imagine the court’s reaction to this situation if the course had taught Christianity !
77 Shelly // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:23 pm
RE: 68, red dye and a red pen?!? I’m now in the fetal position. Who wouldn’t be? How could anyone survive such a combo? America is so cruel.
78 RedPepper // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Shelly: And The Red Hot Chili Peppers! Don’t 4get them !?!
79 gugno1 // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:37 pm
Forget the dems for a minute…why can’t the republicans ever, ever get on the same page….why do they always have to eat their own???
80 The Great Santini // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:52 pm
[Completely off-topic]
Beerme:
In your post on a previous thread concerning the low ebb of MSU’s 2006 football season fortunes, you somehow conflated the terms “Notre Dame” and “national championship”.
Say, wha’? Any Fighting Irish hopes on that score went the way of all flesh after they became the Fighting Quakers—pummeled into guava jelly in week 3 by the U. of Michigan Wolverines, who took no prisoners. As a rabid Irish fan, I concede as much.
The lads in Blue & Gold haven’t cracked the top 10 since that drubbing, nor do they deserve to in light of their patented “sieve”® defense.
§[:-(]
81 onlineanalyst // Oct 4, 2006 at 8:55 pm
This news was out late yesterday: American Family Voices (Don’t be fooled by the group’s name.) has been mass-telephoning Republicans to urge them to tell their representatives that Speaker Hastert should step down from his leadership position. The group’s ties to Democrats is (not exactly) an eye-opener. One of their registered agents is involved in another group called The Emerging Democrat Majority. Mark Levin has details and links.
Also, a cyber-sleuth commenter at freerepublic located the name and background information on Foley’s IM correspondent- not to “out” him but because ABC inadvertently kept the young man’s screen name in one of the messages. The sleuth was curious. The bottom line (so to speak) is that it appears that the young man was over 18 at the time of the IM postings and that the young man’s messaging occured after his stint as a page.
Why or how these incriminating IMs came into the possession of ABC continues to raise my b-s detector.
I’ll say it again: Foley had to resign. BUT the stink of this faux scandal to bring down Hastert and smear the Republicans reeks to high heaven.
82 everthink // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Hey Geyz,
So let me see if I got your take on the Foley et al dealie; … so what yer sayin’ is it’s Clinton’s fault, right?
ET
83 camojack // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:06 pm
RE: 68, red dye and a red pen?!? I’m now in the fetal position. Who wouldn’t be? How could anyone survive such a combo? America is so cruel.
Comment by Shelly — October 4, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
I guess that why there are so many Red States…
84 Briscoe // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:40 pm
He should blame The Matrix if it were still hip.
85 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:49 pm
RedPepper,
How far do you think the argument about the Nicene Creed being a historical document that should be recited by children in a history class because it had “an instructional purpose” would get in any federal court?
Those black-robed twits must think the American people are stupid, well, maybe the uber-progressives who mindless suck down that judicial drivel might be stupid.
86 charmingtail // Oct 4, 2006 at 9:59 pm
I blame it all on Global Warming.
Al Gore told us it would get hot.
Foley just wanted everyone to strip down to their undies and get comfortable…cause the earth is warm.
Gore invented the Internet…so Foley used Al Gore’s invention to spread the Global Warming message and how to combat it by stripping down.
87 Darthmeister // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:00 pm
onlineanalyst, the PajamasMedia is already all over that story about the page possibly being over 18 and someone altered the date of the IMs to make it appear he was 17.
However, despite the age, what Foley said in his IMs is still disgusting, but this would be an interesting turn in the story which could blow up in the lamestream media and Democrats’ faces. I imagine some homosexual groups are getting rather uncomfortable with the Democrats hammering on Foley because it reinforces the idea that maybe homosexuals like Barney Frank and Mark Foley are latent predators who can’t seem to keep either their pants or their mouth zipped.
And given the onslaught of ginned up scandals that the Democrats seem to have in mind for October surprises, one conservative pundit at PajamaMedia opined that instead of destroying their intended target (the Republicans), the various stories are blowing each other off the front pages. And it won’t be too long before the mainstream, fair-minded Americans are going to get very suspicious of this politically-motivated overkill on the part of the DemDonks and the lamestream media. Like, what’s the statistical possibility that every negative story in the run-up to the November elections will involve Republicans and not Democrats? Duuuuuh!
88 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:10 pm
RE: #79~~
How ’bout those Buckeyes!
Yee-HAW!!!!!
89 Ghoti // Oct 4, 2006 at 10:12 pm
“everthink” you might actually read the posts in this string without isolating Clinton references and purposely misinterpreting the purpose and reasoning behind those references?
90 everthink // Oct 4, 2006 at 11:37 pm
Ghoti:
Oh, I got it right, ask Hank.
DarthHank:
Re: 86
Get back on your meds now! Maybe you should consider checking back in for awhile, if you don’t the next six months are going to be very had for you.
Your Pal,
ET
91 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 12:14 am
Oh my gosh, all. I am laughing so hard right now that I am ashamed. What Foley did was totally gross, but the the breaking news is just too typical. Drudge just flashed this and I can’t help thinking that ABC and the liberals will never learn. I wonder if ABC knew all along about the age of the guy in the IM’s. I wonder if this is going to lead to an investigation into trying to tamper with an election. I wonder if there is enough Prozac for the liberals after this announcement. Mr. Foley was talking trash with a guy over 18 years old!!!! Not a kid of 16, but 18. And ABC knew who the guy was and never corrected the statement that it was a 16 year old. This is going to get interesting. Oh what a tangled web we weave…..
92 Lady // Oct 5, 2006 at 1:07 am
Have you guys read the IMs? I have to say, the barely-adult-teenager didn’t seem to have a big problem with what was being discussed. Did he not want to embarrass Foley (or hurt his chances of getting a great letter of recommendation) by saying, “Dude, I don’t swing that way.”? I know if it had been me I’d have printed it out and ran to my mom. But then, I am a Lady, not a dude. The whole thing seems strange. Any opinions on the kid, or should it not matter?
93 Ghoti // Oct 5, 2006 at 7:59 am
Ah, everthink, so it was only personal sniping?
94 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 5, 2006 at 8:17 am
I am starting to hear more about the ex-aide, his age and party loyalty problems.
Mike Rogers, a liberal blogger is also trying to out Foley.
Kirk Fordem (? sp) who worked for Foley, also resigned from outing pressure.
Gee, I thought gay is good. Hmm, rather hard on your political life though.
95 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 8:26 am
Dow Hits 2nd Straight Record-High Close…
Dems: More proof America is headed into an ever deepening economic depression.
FAMOUS IM EXCHANGE WAS WITH 18 YEAR OLD
Won’t stop DemDonks from scandalmongering. Like 18 year olds don’t hear this crap in Hollyweird movies?
Court says eavesdropping program can continue…
See, courts are also involved in the Bu$Hitler conspiracy to strip all Americans of their essential rights.
REPORT: The Bogus Blog Behind Foley’s Fall…
Let me guess, it was being run by a left-wing Democrat.
VARIETY: George Lucas quits making movies…
Can’t find vault big enough to hold all his movies. May the Force be with you, George.
96 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:05 am
Given the Republican Party’s dissention and disarray surrounding the Foley scandal, the Congressional Republicans have proven themselves once again to be gutless cowards in the face of a determined enemy who will stoop to anything to cover over the fact they haven’t a workable agenda to move America forward, partisan Democrats.
If this country wasn’t engaged in a war with a determined Islamofascist foe, I’d almost enjoy seeing everyone of these gutless Republicans swept out of office to be replaced with conservatives with some backbone.
97 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:07 am
Everthink, I bet you live a very lonely life. Are you driving a Yugo or a Volvo now?
98 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:17 am
Good morning all.
After my moment of jocularity late last night, I got a call at 2:30 this morning from the oldest daughter who lives by herself in a town 30 minutes away. Her eyes were swollen shut and she had stuff running down her face and she was scared to death. She has had the same creeping crud that I just got over and so I figured that she was just having a different reaction. Sure enough..sinuses. Been up all night applying ice packs and then hot packs and getting the steam kettle going. Now I am home and wound tighter then a top. Got a feeling that I am going to crash in about 30 minutes. Hope that you all are staying healthy!
Darthmeister - love your headlines explanations, as usual.
99 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:23 am
Democrats “out” a homosexual Congressman to their own eventual embarassment. The “scandal” isn’t tracking the way October-surprise-Democrats had hoped. Interesting perspective at The AmericanThinker.
Don’t know if I would have framed it that way but it certainly seems plausible.
100 Maggie // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:57 am
Good Morning Scrapplers……..
A very sad day in Nickel Mine,PA.
May God grant His peace that passes all understanding.
101 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 5, 2006 at 10:14 am
C-A-T
Taker easy. Times can get hard but calmness helps a whole lot. I am strung up from one end of town to the other on massive doses of steroids and I know exactly how ya feel.
Sometimes I need to put on some good music or a funny movie ( of course God plays the biggest part) and chill.
I was told in the hospital that the ragweed count is the highest ever and a lot of allergy sufferers are being hit like a brick wall.
Find some good allergy meds, seek medical help and curse global warming for making ragweed a dangerous organism.
102 Libby Gone // Oct 5, 2006 at 10:24 am
On topic,
I bet poor Mr Foley was SPANKED (heaven forbid!) as a child.
103 red satellites // Oct 5, 2006 at 10:27 am
Good morning fellow Scrapplers!
Time to wake up and smell the Huevos Rancheros!…
…another beautiful day here in LA…..despite Al Gore.
104 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 10:58 am
STUDY: U.S. Northeast could warm drastically by 2100…
As Earth plunges into sun because of Bu$Hitler/Halliburton/Wal-Mart conspiracy to corner the market on air-conditioners.
Israeli company discovers oil at drilling site near Dead Sea…
Regional Arabs say its illegal slant drilling. Zionists plotting to overthrow the world.
House Speaker Hastert: ‘The people who want to see this thing blow up are ABC News and a lot of Democratic operatives, people funded by George Soros’…
Dems: We don’t believe in conspiracy theories.
Gingrich on page scandal: Democrats have done far worse…
Dems: But Newt, that’s all irrelevant under our system of double-standards.
105 upnorthlurkin // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:34 am
Oops! More “bad news” from Iraq, Boberin…seems the Iraqi people are joining coalition forces fighting terrorism!
(pretend this is a link..) http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-tribes5oct05,1,5607754.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true
The link actually came from CaptainsQuarters. I know I could figure this out….just haven’t had the time!!
106 upnorthlurkin // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:36 am
I meant to add: baby steps, but steps forward!!
107 Ms RightWing, Ink // Oct 5, 2006 at 12:12 pm
Things are a bit slow in Scrappleville. I wish I had time to listen to El-Rushbo since a lot of news is coming out about Washington blackmail, hit squads and the like.
My gosh, you should see the commercials here in Ohio. sigh, its going to be a long month
108 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Ms Rightwing, Ink - I do have time to listen to the MahaRushi and just heard that it was a young blogger from Moore, OK just over the rise from my house who discovered the identity of the accuser, that he was 18 and that he was a page for our present governor candidate Ernest Istook. Bless these Oklahomans.
109 upnorthlurkin // Oct 5, 2006 at 1:28 pm
C-A-T, did you hear the gal from Oklahoma who called in yesterday? Talk about the American Dream. Just heard Rush will replay the call right after the bottom of the hour break. I have to agree to day, it’s time to turn this around on the Dhimmis….they are the ones who are gay bashing! They’re the ones who have now equated being gay with pedophilia! They’re the ones who are judging Mr Foley! Where is their tolerance now? Hmmmmm?!
110 GnuCarSmell // Oct 5, 2006 at 1:36 pm
Foley never did this kind of thing until his Kenâ„¢ doll was stolen.
111 RedPepper // Oct 5, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Afternoon, folks! Take a break from the 24/7 scandal sheet and read the latest by Victor Davis Hanson :
Because the United States is increasingly less a majority of whites of European ancestry and more a mixture of dozens of races and ethnicities, the need for a common unifying language and culture has never been more important. When Americans look abroad at the violent messes in the Balkans, Rwanda, Darfur and Iraq, the notion of emphasizing separation here at home by race, tribe, language or religion makes absolutely no sense. But the idea of letting only enough legal immigrants in who can be easily assimilated surely does.
Trust me. Foley will still be there (more’s the pity …) when you’re done.
112 Godfrey // Oct 5, 2006 at 1:56 pm
Hank: answer in prev. thread.
CAT: Even if the page was 16, I think that is the age of consent in D.C., although I can’t speak to law in the other places involved (like wherever the page lives).
None of which absolves Foley of being a creep. It does, however, absolve this scandal of being even remotely interesting beyond a few days of sensationalist muckraking.
While I disagree that Republicans are somehow above this sort of thing, I must agree with the majority here when they say that if the Democrats had an original idea (or a palatable philosophy) they wouldn’t need to lean on this sort of tripe to win elections.
Think about ‘94…when the Republicans were swept into power on…wait for it…ideas.
113 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Excellent debate on gay “marriage” here.
I’ve already contributed twice. I would love to see some more thoughful posts from Scrapplers. So far the conservatives (well, at least those defending traditional marriage) are kicking tail. Be measured and reasonable, though I’ve stretched the envelope a bit.
Godfrey, I’d love to see your thoughts on the subject posted there. It would be a good addition.
114 GnuCarSmell // Oct 5, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Speaking of gay marriage, does anyone know what the preacher says after “I now pronounce you….” ?
115 upnorthlurkin // Oct 5, 2006 at 2:09 pm
Okay, I’m trying this again. Oops, good news from Iraq
I suspect there’s one of them little carrot thingies missing but here goes…
116 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 2:57 pm
Upnorthlurkin - yes, I heard it and it about made me cry. I was driving. I will almost bet that she is attending the school where my daughter works because they are known for their police science program. Bless her heart!
117 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Oh, oh, DemDonks had better batten down the hatches if this is true.
From DRUDGE:
CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY
**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**
According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.
According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats. This source, an ally of Edmund, also adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund.
The news come on the heels that former FBI Chief Louis Freeh has been named to investigate the mess.
Developing…
This might explain why the page had retained a lawyer earlier this morning.
As the worm turns.
118 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 3:33 pm
Darthmeister. Istook is running for governor in our state. I think that he might as well kiss it goodbye. Man, how kids can be stupid. Foley is the antithesis to the family values that conservatives hold, but these boys had no right to make sport of him. I realize that we are only as sick as our secrets and they come out eventually, but these boys were just plain wrong to participate in this way.
119 Godfrey // Oct 5, 2006 at 3:41 pm
Darth: looks like the same Republican shadow government that perpetrated 9/11 got to this Edmund fellow.
Re: gay marriage I’ll chime in later this afternoon. Looks interesting.
120 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 5, 2006 at 3:48 pm
RE: #117~~
:::::Twilight Zone theme plays in background:::::
Believe it or not, this is what I suspected was going on but kept it to myself rather than look, well…..nuts.
Honestly, I started to post those suspicions here yesterday but, fearing ridicule, I didn’t.
Today, over lunch (after I read about the lawyer), I told my wife this is what I suspected, described almost verbatim what DRUDGE has now published and she looked at me like I was, well…..nuts.
So it was with great glee when, a couple of hours later, I said, “Hey! Lisiten to this!” as I smugly read the NewsBusters account of DRUDGE’s Exclusive.
The Logs had me puzzled (Chat and IM logging is not the default mode) and that’s what brought me to become suspicious.
121 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 3:56 pm
James…you and Rush Limbaugh. He said that he suspicioned this just this morning. Great minds think alike.
122 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 5, 2006 at 4:07 pm
This blog posting, at PassionateAmerica, from yesterday is what helped bring me to my theory.
123 GnuCarSmell // Oct 5, 2006 at 4:10 pm
JL3 - It’s always a relief to find out you’re not a madman, but a genius. This whole thing had a funny smell from the start.
124 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 4:14 pm
French police claim local Muslims are waging an ‘intifada’ against them…
Naw, when did you get a clue? But that’s okay, most American liberals still haven’t gotten it since 9/11.
CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY
Don’t worry, the DemDonks will still find a way to blame this on House Speaker Hastert, too.
Democratic Organizer Quits After Calling Allen ‘Macacawitz’…
Impossible! By definition Democrats can’t be bigots or racists.
Gingrich on page scandal: Democrats have done far worse…
Aw, Newt. You know with Democrats it depends on what the meaning of “worse” is. I mean, putting aside Wilbur Mills, Bill Clinton, Mel Reynolds, Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Allan Howe, Fred Richmond, Brock Adams, Jim Bates, Gus Savage, Gary Condit, what Democrat do you really have left to make your argument?
125 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 4:25 pm
James, I read the whole thing and it is fascinating. I have to admit that when I read the speeches that this guy links to (the ones on the floor of the House about the pages) I had to giggle over Foley’s remarks: “Christopher made sure I
came out of the cloakroom to see that his mother ” Sounds like coming out of the closet.
126 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 5, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Clarification:
Even though it now looks like Foley was entrapped by some giggling 15-16 year-olds, there’s still no doubt in my mind that, if given the opportunity, he would have acted out his perverse fantasy.
Foley is an abominable degenerate-an ephebophiliac, at the very least.
127 Godfrey // Oct 5, 2006 at 5:42 pm
JL3: re #126: great link. I suggest everyone read it as it clarifies many of the terms we’ve been using (or should have been using) over the last week.
Hank: I posted my own miniature version of War and Peace over on that blog if you want to read it. I never realized how utterly complex the gay marriage issue is.
128 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 5:56 pm
Thanks, Godfrey. I’ll go read it.
Just think, fellow Scrapplers, right now the best (or worst) minds in the DemDonk Party are this very minute trying to figure out a way to spin this new twist in the Rep. Mark Foley kerfuffle to their political advantage.
I believe Mr. Foley should still be held accountable for responding to the “prank” (if this turns out to be what really happened) in the salacious manner that he did, obviously believing it was an opportunity for him to hook-up with an 18 year old page, but I bet the Demoncrappers will try to find someway to lament how some conservative, Rethuglikkkan pages were pranking a poor, innocent homosexual blah, blah, blah … and it’s all the Republican leadership’s fault. Therefore, everyone must resign including Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Chimperor Bu$Hitler, the CEO of Wal-Mart and the stockholders in Halliburton.
129 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Godfrey, I am going to go over and read it too. Did you sign it Godfrey so we know that it is you?
130 camojack // Oct 5, 2006 at 6:00 pm
Gingrich on page scandal: Democrats have done far worse…
Aw, Newt. You know with Democrats it depends on what the meaning of “worse†is. I mean, putting aside Wilbur Mills, Bill Clinton, Mel Reynolds, Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Allan Howe, Fred Richmond, Brock Adams, Jim Bates, Gus Savage, Gary Condit, what Democrat do you really have left to make your argument?
Comment by Darthmeister — October 5, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Edward Kennedy, for one…who actually killed someone.
(Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment…)
131 RedPepper // Oct 5, 2006 at 6:04 pm
#126 JL3: Whatever Foley was into, it is becoming more and more difficult to see these pages as exemplars of innocence wronged … an aspect of this situation that I have had my suspicions about from the word go. Saving these IM Sessions isn’t quite as weird as Monica and her blue dress, but it does raise questions about the intent of such an action … IMHO, anyway …
132 Godfrey // Oct 5, 2006 at 6:37 pm
CAT: always…
133 myword // Oct 5, 2006 at 7:01 pm
Darth - let’s not forget Gary Hart.
In fact here’s a whole list of Democratic scandals:
http://bodegabay.blogs.com/north_coast_curmudgeon/2005/11/democratic_scan.html
134 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 5, 2006 at 7:18 pm
The plot gets even thicker.
135 The Great Santini // Oct 5, 2006 at 7:35 pm
If it turns out l’affaire Foley was a Demo black-bag job/October Surprise (which it’s starting to smell like), the perps and their enablers better have a get-out-of-jail-Freeh card.
Otherwise, they could be frog-marched past the Capitol in irons, thence to Gitmo for some double-celling with the resident jihadi inhabitants. A blindfold, a cigarette, and a Marine firing squad with locked and loaded M-16’s might be more palatable than that.
The Democrats lack ideas, principles, and programs (except hate Bush/gimme power), and are brimming with bile, malice, and ill will. Who would put such a tawdry gambit past their desires and calculations? Not I.
If and when the pimple is popped and the Democrats are exposed, they will exemplify Solomon’s Biblical maxim: “If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it; if a man rolls a stone, it will roll back on him.” (Prov. 26:27.)
136 RedPepper // Oct 5, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Santini: I am shocked, shocked … !
137 The Great Santini // Oct 5, 2006 at 8:49 pm
RedPepper:
“Your winnings, Inspector Reynaud….”
§[:-)]
138 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:00 pm
Today they found, buried deep in a cave within Mount Ararat, the 11th Commandment:
Drivers, start Your ENGINES!!!!!
139 everthink // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:11 pm
conserve-a-tip
Re: 91
“A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones” (Proverbs 17:22, NIV).
ET
140 How Soon Before Humor Becomes Reality? « Colorado Right // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:21 pm
[...] Scrappleface on a soon to be issued statement from Mark Foley’s lawyers: Previously, attorney and longtime friend David Roth had confessed that Mr. Foley is a mentally-ill alcoholic who was molested by clergy in his youth, and yet takes full responsibity for the unspecified harm he has caused to others. [...]
141 everthink // Oct 5, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Singing Saladin
Re: 135
Everthink maybe Foley was really a “sleeper dimbat”, or maybe a “Commie”? If not maybe “The Moral Majority” really doesn’t have very high “Family Values” after all.
First Delay, now Foley, tomorrow Hastert. Who’s next Boehner? What to do, what to do?
yer bud,
(yawn)
ET
142 Godfrey // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:04 pm
Hank, CAT…interesting topic but that place is utter chaos!
143 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:25 pm
Moonbats out in force (NOT!) here. What if the leftists called for a nationwide protest and only a hundred people showed up?
144 conserve-a-tip // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Godfrey,
Yes, it is rather chaotic, but I have been posting with some person called Edward who has challenged us that we are not honest if we don’t say that we would want to be gay for a week and that we need to in order to understand how exciting it is to be gay. I just pointed out to him how shallow that viewpoint is, as if who you are is based on your sexuality, instead of your innate uniqueness. I think he is heaving huge sighs of frustration.
145 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:37 pm
DemDonks justify their double-standard by essentially arguing, you can only hold us to our lower standard while we hold you to your higher standard - thus validating their double-standard.
They guffaw when a few Republicans/conservatives fail to live up to the higher standards they hold themselves too, and even when they repent and/or resign their positions of influence, the maniacal cackle of the left-wing moral underachievers spew their bile and venom about our hypocrisy. But really, since they reject the higher standard, they don’t have the moral authority or right to criticize those do hold themselves to that higher standard. And in reveling in the bile and venom they so easily spew, those liberal critics actually are demonstrating their own hypocrisy with respect to their own value system of being compassionate, understand, sensitive, non-judgmental people who want to usher in an age of global peace. Yet how can they hope to ever achieve that goal when they so transparently hate their own countrymen across the aisle.
No, during this whole sordid affair, Republicans have shown far more patience and far more grace in trying to get to the truth of the matter while the ravenous wolves on the left are only interesting in scoring political points with naive Americans who only get their news from the lamestream media.
Neverthink, I see you escaped your handlers. Is that sirens I hear?
146 Darthmeister // Oct 5, 2006 at 11:40 pm
Sheesh, it’s getting late. Forgive my broken grammar, delete an “ing”, ad an “ing” elsewhere and change an “ing” to an “ed”. You get the picture.
Night ‘tall.
147 Godfrey // Oct 6, 2006 at 12:11 am
CAT: I saw some of those posts. It’s a bit difficult to read with that narrow formatting so I didn’t get the whole conversation, but I got the gist.
I think you’re correct about the viewpoint being shallow…I know a few gay people (I live in Los Angeles) and many of them do define themselves at least partially by their homosexuality. Perhaps this is a reaction to society’s unwillingness to accept them? I dunno… but I don’t think I’d want to be gay even for a week.
All that flamboyance seems exhausting.
148 RedPepper // Oct 6, 2006 at 12:24 am
What the hay did Hastert do, anyway?
I think Dennis is being menaced by a vast West Wing™ conspiracy!
/(sorry … it’s late …
149 Darthmeister // Oct 6, 2006 at 12:46 am
Liberal media still twisting in the wind:
ABC: 3 MORE EX-PAGES ACCUSE FORMER CONGRESSMAN OF ONLINE ‘SEXUAL APPROACHES’…
That may very well be true, but in accordance with the ground rules already laid down for this debate by the liberals, the question then becomes, “Did those pages report this behavior to the proper Congressional authorities or law enforcement when it happened and were those reports ignored?” **crickets chirping**
Sorry, Brian Ross, you’re going to have to do better than that. And Mark Foley still bears the entire responsibility for this scandal. I hope Denny Hastert hangs tough and doesn’t kowtow to the morally bankrupt scandalmongering being conducted by the liberal Democrats and lamestream who already have egg on their faces for getting the important details of the initial story wrong.
150 Effeminem // Oct 6, 2006 at 4:19 am
Well, I wasn’t going to vote for Foley anyway. Are the Dems trying to mobilize our demoralised base?
151 JamesonLewis3rd // Oct 6, 2006 at 5:20 am
This is off-topic but kinda cool.
152 Darthmeister // Oct 6, 2006 at 8:14 am
Another example of Democratic hypocrisy regarding a Florida Democrat who, by press accounts, solicited sexual favors from a 14 year old girl and sent salacious emails and IMs to 15 and 16 year old girls while a teacher!
His defense after his records were sealed by a sympathetic Democrat judge, he hasn’t been found guilty of anything and he’s not going to step down! Same ol’ same ol’ when it comes to Democratic predators.
153 Public Eye » Blog Archive » Foley Resigns Over Sex Scandal // Oct 6, 2006 at 9:51 am
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154 Darthmeister // Oct 6, 2006 at 12:56 pm
Clinton Has New Canadian Girl Friend
Bill or Hillary?
IOWA UGLY: Republican TV spot links Dem to Communist Party…
Speaking truth to liberals
Page’s family to media: Leave our ‘hero’ son alone…
But the lamestream media continues dragging their son through the mud in their October Surprise sweeps
Watchdog Group Disputes FBI’s Claims on E-Mails…
Turnabout is fair play. CREW, a leftist Democrat front organization, is getting exposed for redacting Foley Instant Messages. Buwahahaha!
Ashcroft blasts 9-11 Commission…
Sir, you and the rest of the Republicans should have done that at least two years ago. The damage from that partisan posturing has already been done. What part of “you’re at war with Democrat slime” don’t you understand?
155 Wry Mouth // Oct 6, 2006 at 11:36 pm
Phoning It In: Linking to Scrappleface
This, regarding everyone’s favorite comedic gold, Ex-Rep Foley:This morning, Mr. Roth said that Mr. Foley had been exposed to second-hand tobacco smoke, and high levels of partially-hydrogenated soybean oil during his childhood.I’m going to have to…
156 R.A.M. // Oct 7, 2006 at 2:13 am
Borrowing this from Bill Crystal——Since Nancy Pelosi is so concerned about pedafile’s hurting children, will Democrats now put forth legislation so that people like Foley CANNOT become Boy Scout Leaders?
Or as Mark Levin said tonight, will “Stretch” return the money she got from the ACLU who is a big NAMBLA supporter.
She also needs to stop marching in “Gay pride” parades.
157 conserve-a-tip // Oct 14, 2006 at 12:39 am
checking to see if this works
158 conserve-a-tip // Oct 14, 2006 at 12:39 am
How about this?
159 conserve-a-tip // Oct 14, 2006 at 12:46 am
OK, now the hard stuff.
160 Foley Resigns Over Sex Scandal « Public Eye // Nov 27, 2006 at 9:27 pm
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