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May 04, 2004
New Kerry Ad Campaign Reveals Service in Vietnam
by Scott Ott

(2004-05-04) -- Concerned that Americans do not yet know Sen. John Forbes Kerry, his presidential campaign has launched a $25 million TV advertising burst which reveals that the candidate served in the Navy during the Vietnam war.

The ad campaign, called A Lifetime of Talking About a Few Months in the Service, focuses on a little-known chapter in Mr. Kerry's life, his four months as a swift boat commander in Vietnam.

"While most voters are familiar with Kerry's sterling record of legislative achievement as a leader in the Senate," said an unnamed spokesman, "they're surprised to discover that he actually served during wartime."

The source said that the story of Mr. Kerry's Vietnam service has been "suppressed by the right-wing attack machine."

"The $25 million ad buy is just another example of Sen. Kerry's commitment to service," said the unnamed source. "No anti-war candidate has ever spent so much of his fellow Americans' money to convince them that he was a war hero. That's how much service means to John Kerry."

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Good morning

Posted by: spd rdr at May 4, 2004 08:24 AM

This changes EVERYTHING!

Posted by: Captain Canada! at May 4, 2004 08:26 AM

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Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 08:35 AM

THIS JUST IN: TRUE STORY from AP
Kerry was speaking to a Jewish group. In his speech he said that while he was in Israel an Israeli Colonel took him up in a jet and, get this folks, Let him take the controls! He did a roll, so he says, and was able to, in inverted flight, discern the border between Isreal and Egypt.

Ya gotta put a sock in it, John.

Oh and he was in Viet Nam as well.

Let's see what group he will pander to next?

Posted by: Mikey at May 4, 2004 08:38 AM

Sorry. The phone rang.
As I was saying,
Good morning VIET NAAAAAAAAAM!

Cronauer: We've got a special man in the audience today right now...it's Mr. Leo. He's a fashion consultant for John Kerry.

Cronauer as Mr. Leo: Why thank you, Adrian. I'm just very happy to be here. I want to tell you something. You know, this whole campaign camouflage thing for me doesn't work very well.

Cronauer: Why is that?

Cronauer as Mr. Leo: Well, because you go into the presidential race running on your voting record, I can't SEE you! You know, its like wearing stripes and plaid, flipping and flopping and denying everything you've ever done since 1969! For me, I want to do something different. You know, if you go in the jungle of partisan politics, make a statement! If you're going to fight, CLASH! That's why Kerry's bold new look in tiger stripes is sooooo apppealing!

Posted by: spd rdr at May 4, 2004 08:38 AM

Does anyone but me think this is going to really back fire on him?

I get real tired of people bragging about themselves and want to see what they are going to do while representing me.

John F. KENNEDY asked what we could do for the country. Kerry is asking how best to use my money to buy welfare votes.

Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 08:39 AM

Remarkable how many atrocities he was able to fit into such a short time, but then he was young and full of energy.

What strikes us is how he seems to have been inspired by the career of President Kennedy, much like his comrade Bill Clinton, though the latter was a lover, not a fighter. There is something pathological at the bottom of this.

Posted by: The Were-Penguins of Seville at May 4, 2004 08:41 AM

Eighth! Wow, I guess I didn't know that Jean Francois Kerrie served in Vietnam! Finally, the Kerrie campaign is trying to get that message across to the American people!

Posted by: The Spellmeister at May 4, 2004 08:47 AM

WHAT???

John Forbes Kerry Heinz served in Vietnam??

NO WAY!!!

Was he a waiter, or was he playing tennis?

Posted by: Lee at May 4, 2004 08:48 AM

WHAT???

John Forbes Kerry Heinz served in Vietnam??

NO WAY!!!

Was he a waiter, or was he playing tennis?

Posted by: Lee at May 4, 2004 08:49 AM

Ack!! how the heck did that happen??

I guess I subconsciously tried to take both sides of the issue by saying the same thing twice..

sorry..

Posted by: Lee at May 4, 2004 08:51 AM

Whoa! You mean Kerry fought in VietNAM? Well, that changes everything. Do you have to register as a Democrat to vote for him, or can I just go in there like usual? Do I have to be a US citizen? Can I vote more than once?

This man is my hero. He just has to win!

Posted by: MathMom at May 4, 2004 08:51 AM

I heard he fought, but he didn't inhale...

Posted by: Cassandra at May 4, 2004 09:03 AM

Math Mom, if you in Florida or Chicago you don't even have to be alive to vote for a Democrat.

Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 09:04 AM

Karen Tumulty (Time Magazine): John Kerry is just too smart for ordinary people to understand; that' why he has trouble connecting.

Sound familiar?

*********************

Journalist: "Could we, uh, talk to Colonel Kurtz?"

Dennis Hopper: "Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll, uh, well, you'll say hello to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you, and he won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say do you know that if is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you - I mean I'm no, I can't - I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's, he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas... "

**********

Whatever?


Posted by: dude at May 4, 2004 09:14 AM

John O'Neill, who debated Kerry in 1971, has a few choice words to say about my new hero. I hear he's got a press conference scheduled for today, where he and other Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will question Kerry's fitness to be Commander-in-Chief. In fact, he wrote this on OpinionJournal today (sorry, you'll have to sign in to read it).

"During my 1971 televised debate with John Kerry, I accused him of lying. I urged him to come forth with affidavits from the soldiers who had claimed to have committed or witnessed atrocities. To date no such affidavits have been filed. "

He seems to think that some of what Kerry claims may be, ah, sprinkled with horse#&*%.

Posted by: MathMom at May 4, 2004 09:15 AM

I'm just curious... so if my dad was in during Vietnam, does that also immediately qualify him to be President? It does seem as if the focus keeps coming back to that, so I was just awonderin'...

Posted by: gpigmom at May 4, 2004 09:53 AM

Well, he served in Viet Nam,, but didn't do anything bad, but may be he did,
or maybe he did inhale
but he didn't like it
or maybe he did.

Mastering the fine art of nuance and ambiguity since 2004.

Is that Cassandra with one "s" or two? Or three?
Casandra?
Casssandra?

Don't go lopping off any appendages today.

Posted by: Don Brouhaha, nuanced at May 4, 2004 10:03 AM

If Kerry's a self-proclaimed war criminal, how does this magically invest him with the moral superiority and insight to be Commander in Chief of the most powerful nation in history?

Just wondering...

Oh, and Top 20 for a change?

Posted by: Possumtrot™ at May 4, 2004 10:07 AM

again off topic, but thought you Scrapplefacers would like to join me in condeming Red Ted Rall for his most recent stupidity:

Rall's 'Tillman' Cartoon Pulled by MSNBC.com

A cartoon questioning late footballer-turned-soldier Pat Tillman's credentials as a "hero" was pulled from MSNBC.com this afternoon. The drawing also brought Ted Rall 110 e-mails in less than 15 minutes.

The volume of mail had much to do with the cartoon being mentioned on the Drudge Report site, seen by many conservatives. Drudge linked to MSNBC.com until the cartoon was yanked. Then Drudge linked to the cartoon at Universal Press Syndicate's site (http://www.ucomics.com).

In a statement posted on its site, MSNBC.com said Rall's cartoons, like those by other creators, are "published daily on the site via an automated syndication feed. Such feeds are rarely reviewed. However, MSNBC.com Editor in Chief Dean Wright concluded Monday's Rall item did not meet MSNBC.com standards of fairness and taste."

The offending 'cartoon' from a link at andrewsullivan.com

Posted by: Frodo at May 4, 2004 10:10 AM

Oh, and by the way Rall has endourced kerry for president ... birds of a feather.

Posted by: Frodo at May 4, 2004 10:16 AM

Oh, and by the way Rall has endorsed Kerry for president ... birds of a feather.

Posted by: Frodo at May 4, 2004 10:17 AM

Do his ads feature my biggest pet peeve with him...that he was only a stinkin' Lieutenant?

Posted by: The Other Scott at May 4, 2004 10:17 AM

No offense to any other lieutenants...especially any that served on the USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) in 1991-1992. :-)

Posted by: The Other Scott at May 4, 2004 10:20 AM

The problem with Kerry is that if people actually ever do get to know who he is they will hate him. That is why he keeps re-inventing himself. 25 Mill will not do the trick either. All any right thinking voter needs to do is to read the testimony he gave in 1971 to congress. That will counteract any add campaign 25 million can provide.

Posted by: Beerme at May 4, 2004 10:35 AM

Frodo, I linked your reference to the local radio talk shows including AM 1040 WHO in Des Moines IA. This to Jan Michaelson who is a conservative talk show host.

Maybe some other people can do the same and help express their outrage against this tripe and maybe cost him in the pocket book.

While we're at it let's all send it to Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 10:51 AM

Is that Cassandra with one "s" or two? Or three?
Casandra?
Casssandra?

Somebody's cruising for a bruising today...

and I mean that only in the most nuanced way.

Posted by: Cassandra at May 4, 2004 11:01 AM

Some quick math

4 months = 1/3 of a year

JFK = 60 years old

Percent of Lifetime spent in Vietnam

1/2 of 1%

Posted by: Bardolf at May 4, 2004 11:02 AM

Great one, Scott! And great responses, all.

- Alph

Posted by: Alph at May 4, 2004 11:17 AM

Bardolph, be careful. Even the phrase "one half of one percent" may cause ad hominem attacks against rich folks, the Jewish moneyed class, jackbooted downsizers, and other like-minded free traders...

Posted by: Beerme at May 4, 2004 11:23 AM

Hey, that's plagerism: I invented "re-inventing yourself," as well as the internet, fire, & the wheel. Now if the democratic poobahs really want a candidate, I just might make myself available.

Posted by: AlGore at May 4, 2004 12:05 PM

I had no idea Kerry served in VietNam. He understands the pain of service. Nor was I aware that he was decorated for his service. I must have been under a rock.
He is really reaching out to the people, isn't he?

Posted by: Cricket at May 4, 2004 12:07 PM

The thing I like best is that the normal media is always talking about how much the GOP is spending on campaign ads, etc - money that could be better spent robbing the rich and feeding the poor.
But these two ads of Kerry's are the most expensive campaign ads in history!

RAM - still waiting for the cheetos and yoo-hoo... Thanks for the welcome!

Posted by: It's Just Me at May 4, 2004 12:26 PM

The folks over at NRO have made this point: How does the press allow Kerry to proudly proclaim his Vietnam service, even though it was a war that he actually "hated" and for which he confessed committing atrocities?

Posted by: Nifty at May 4, 2004 12:28 PM

Bardolf said:
"Percent of Lifetime spent in Vietnam

1/2 of 1%"

How much time has he spent sleeping and doing his hair? Can we work that into a campaign slogan?

"You'll spend more time in your life _________ than John Kerry spent in Vietnam"

Hope it's cooling off out there on the left coast today, Cassandra. You sound a little 'hot' about something.

Posted by: Don Brouhaha, not a pretty picture at May 4, 2004 12:33 PM

Four months of deployment, 33 years of liberal pandering, which is the issue?

He spent more time protesting than serving and the left thinks this is going to fly? Only for the flip flop crowd.

Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 12:39 PM

Ku-ku-Katana for John Effing Kerry, a walking--and, alas--talking horror story:

Kerry's "Twice-Told Tales"
Mask "Telltale Heart", may cause
"Murders in Rue Morgue."
Between "Pit and Pendulum,"
Quoth the Poe-blic, "Nevermore!"

Posted by: The Great Santini at May 4, 2004 12:45 PM

(just coming to......)
Sheesh,

I read Scotts article 2 hours ago and the SHOCK of learning J Fraudulent Kerry nobley served in Vietnam for 4 months left me faint. It wasn't until MathMom opened up the horse dookey sprinkled Kerry claims (aka: smelling salts) that I came to. This is BIG news. REALLY big news. And I understand that he actually FOUGHT in Vietnam?...like at a beer party, right? Or when any of his comrades opposed him?

What a JoKe that he has to reach back 30 some years ago and boast about FOUR measly months because he doesn't have any SIGNIFICANT accomplishments inside of the 3 decades since then-----??

I am sincerely & sobermindedly grateful when it comes to the service of our military/ Veterans, but the more the spotlight is on Kerry---the more his time in Vietnam appears to be nothing more than SELF "serving". It's like back then he saw himself where he is NOW and nothing in between has really mattered to him. Ah the dims picked a goodun'! Let's all raise our glass of ketchup for a toast. (Kerry's future: toast!)

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 4, 2004 12:49 PM

Hey Scott slow down I have special needs and cannot get into top ten. I'm going to call my lawyer!

Posted by: Ms RightWing at May 4, 2004 12:58 PM

This campaign ad starts out with young Kerry hanging at the Kennedy compound. It shows him offering condolence to a inebriated Ted Kennedy gazing longingly at a picture of Mary Jo.
It also shows him and Ted filing a lawsuit against GM for making an unsafe Oldsmobile. The lawsuit took over 30 years to win but GM announced yesterday that the last Olds is rolling off the production line.

GM said they plan on replacing the Oldsmobile with a safer, driver friendly Corvair. This immediately brought reaction from the Nader for President crowd who insisted that a car similar to a Yugo be manufactured with a fuel cell and all the all SUV's be recalled and chopped in half.

Posted by: Ms RightWing at May 4, 2004 01:16 PM

gpigmom said:

"I'm just curious... so if my dad was in (the military) during Vietnam, does that also immediately qualify him to be President? It does seem as if the focus keeps coming back to that, so I was just awonderin'..."

****

Well, it might if he is a democrat, but I think the argument that the JfnKerry and MaxCleland types use most often is more along the lines of the one they use for excusing blatant racism by the race hustlin' poverty pimps on the left:

Namely, if you are a victim (racial minority) or member of some other preferred flavor-of-the-month (wounded and/or decorated democrat veteran)you get a lifetime pass on criticism for ANYTHING that is remotely connected to your victim status.

So if Max Cleland chooses to put Big Labor interests ahead of homeland security, the fact that he stupidly (his characterization back before he became the democrat mascot on this issue)picked up a live grenade in Vietnam and blew off three limbs means he never has to explain his Senate votes.

Likewise, JFK refuses to explain his Senate votes proving he is weak on defense and he is embarrassed by his antiwar comments. So his media blitz is supposed to trump both issues by exagerating the importance of his 4 months in Vietnam -- instant expert on Foreign Policy and Defense.

Major media types are actually dumbfounded that people would expect straight answers from a decorated veteran like JFK.

So your dad might not qualify for President, but he would surely be on the short list for Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State.

Posted by: dude at May 4, 2004 01:24 PM

Actually, Max Cleland doesn't have to explain his senate votes. Everyone I know that knows him (which is several), thinks he is a great person. But because of his votes, we in Georgia relieved him of that responsibility.

He did, BTW, serve in Vietnam, which I think someone running for President did as well. And Cleland was actually hurt before getting his Purple Heart.

Posted by: KJ at May 4, 2004 02:02 PM

Good one Scott, and good replies all. I too was astounded to learn that the modest and humble man of the people, John "the Load" Kerry fought in Vietnam. Who'd a thunk it.

Also, good one Ms. RightWing. I cann't wait to test drive one of them Hydro-Electro-Solar-Wind-Biomass Yugos. I'll bet they run like a f-rt in the wind!

Posted by: Woodstock Willie at May 4, 2004 02:07 PM

All your little poison darts from the dark cover of the trees at the river's edge may have just taken out Larry Fishburne, et al, but you can't deny the fact that Kerry is on the swift boat to VICTORY!

Posted by: Billy Reno at May 4, 2004 02:13 PM

Ms. RightWing,
Sad to see the "Old"est US brand go bye-bye : (
Still I have to think any vehicle driven by Teetotalin' Ted would be "unsafe at any speed".

Posted by: Beerme at May 4, 2004 02:18 PM

Gore Buys Newsworld Cable
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore on Tuesday said a media company he formed purchased Newsworld International from Vivendi Universal, and has plans to launch a youth-oriented cable network.

The statement confirming an earlier Reuters story that Gore planned to make such an announcement did not include terms of the deal.

The network, which currently features 24-hour global news produced by The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, will now target an 18- to 34-year-old audience. Newsworld International is distributed to about 17 million subscriber homes.

Posted by: Good Ol' Boy at May 4, 2004 02:19 PM

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Posted by: dude at May 4, 2004 02:23 PM

It occurs to me that with hard work and natural talent Mr. Kerry has managed to make himself look more ridiculous than anything posted on this site. Truth realy is stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Mike O at May 4, 2004 02:25 PM

It's a sad fact that there are so many people who will fall for this stuff.
I work in engineering, and I have one colleague who is a staunch democrat. He's deceived by fancy words and endearing pictures. He watched one of the debates during the primaries, and said Kerry was "impressive." "Why, what did he say?" "Well, I'm not sure, but he sounded very articulate."
And this is from a reasonably intelligent man - I can't imagine what people think who don't really have good educations past high school.
They're being deceived, just as they're deceived with feel-good messages from the ACLU, NOW, and all of the other groups that like to throw out buzz words to get attention and drum up support from people who don't take the time to REALLY listen to the message they're getting...
You don't have to look to the Afghanistan or Iraq to fight a holy war - one has been brewing within our own country for decades.

Posted by: It's Just Me at May 4, 2004 02:43 PM

Sure, he was only there 4 months. But in that 4 months, he saw enough attarocities to come home and bring down a down a vast, well-orchestrated conspiracy among U.S. troops to shoot family pets and electrocute Viet Cong genitalia - which, as we now know, is the whole reason Nixon sent them over there to begin with.

Posted by: LiberalLarry at May 4, 2004 02:59 PM

The real reason for the Ad blitz is that Kerry is scared and can not believe that ordinary non-caviar eating regular folks dont like him. Example: Kerry is emphesizing that he was born in Colorado and therefore by extension not a Massachuesetts Liberal. And did you hear he served 1--2--3--4, yes, 4 months in VietNam, 3 purple hearts, silver star, Bronz star, and bunches of ribbons.

Posted by: Al at May 4, 2004 03:02 PM

You know, maybe we ought to send John Freakin' Kerry over to Iraq and have him "intimidate and interrogate" the Iraqi prisoners by simply droning on and on and on and on about his four months in Vietnam. They'll either break or be begging to be thrown in a wood chipper before the day is out!

Posted by: Hankmeister© at May 4, 2004 03:11 PM

Hankmeister, what would be the point of Kerry speaking to Iraqi prisoners? He already has their vote.

Posted by: LiberalLarry at May 4, 2004 03:19 PM

I wonder if Kerry ran these revelations of his service in Viet Nam by his campaign advisors. I also wonder if he will flip flop on this one..."I served in Viet Nam before I didn't serve," and other equally
ho hum gems.

The 'Upper Crust' accent alone would drive someone batty. One has to admire Tur-ay-zah Heinz-Kerry for her forabearance in being married to someone so unutterably dull and wooden. Or is that because of the botox? I never can tell.

Posted by: Cricket at May 4, 2004 03:29 PM

Mr. Brouhaha:

Why what on earth would I have to be "hot" about? It wouldn't be that someone was trying to spin me up, would it? :)

Posted by: Cassandra at May 4, 2004 03:36 PM

If we let Kerry go over there the arab world would declare war on us again. He would bore hell out of them in a condecending tone. Then when they get mad his response would be "Do you know who I am"?

That arrogant response alone would be enough to kill diplomacy out right. Then he would fall down and hurt himself, put in for another purple heart.

Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 03:38 PM

Yes good ol' boy Gore's bought Newsworld International. As a canuck who watches news regularly, including Newsworld, I can tell you that not only is CBC News mostly lefty propoganda, it is deathly boring lefty propoganda (is that a redundancy?).

Perhaps Kerry's commercials will enrich the station's entertainment value.

Buhay

Posted by: Buhay at May 4, 2004 03:42 PM

LIB-MAGGOT,

Scott's threads are multiplying like maggots.


John "The Maggot" Kerry is a Vietnam veteran?

Posted by: LIB-MAGGOT at May 4, 2004 04:01 PM

When I was a nurse at Ireland Army Hospital we occasionally saw a new recruit come in who shot himself in the foot or hacked a finger off to get a medical discharge and avoid going to Nam. It seemed like they put themselves in harms way just enough to get a discharge. Kerry learned well, except he wasn't looking for a discharge but instead a few poyple hearts. It has been said that he was groomed years ago by the Knennedys (giving him a Norwegian name) for a potential run at the White House for the presidential office.

If you have any doubts about his plot to rule Amerika go and read his military record at the Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry web site. I know I have mentioned that web site before but it is good to read their take on him and compare his record to his new commercial.

Posted by: Ms RightWing at May 4, 2004 04:06 PM

Liberal Larry,

(Palm of hand thumping forehead) You're right, I hadn't thought about that! Kerry has that constituency sewed right up along with Kim Jong "Mentally" Il, Yassar Arafat, Usama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein (if he isn't hanged before November), Jacques ChIraq, Vladimir Putin, the ruling members of the Iranian council, and Colonel Khaddafi Duck.

But really now, whether the prisoners are dead or alive is quite irrelevant given how many dead people vote in Chicago and other bastions of liberalism.

Please forgive me for not being more sensitive to these political subtleties.

Posted by: Hankmeister© at May 4, 2004 04:10 PM

Could you imagine the outcry from the left if George Bush bought his own personal TV station.

Posted by: Ms RightWing at May 4, 2004 04:10 PM

KJ -

Max Cleland in fact received no Purple Heart for blowing 3 of his four limbs off in his grenade incident. While some rear ech people DID receive Purple Hearts for injuries not sustained in combat, on grounds it was combat-related, Cleland didn't get that break. It is speculation, but I think the investigators found his story fishy and not worth even a token Purple Heart, despite Max receiving a legitimate Silver Star for rescuing comrades under fire a week earlier. Something to do with the fact that grenades are designed not to go off if accidentally dropped. You have to grip squeeze the spring safety lever in order to be able to pull the safety pin out, then release the spring lever to start the TD fuse, then you get 5-10 seconds before detonation.

And, if you are a soldier in the center of a helo zone, no one within 150 feet of you, you don't just pick a strange grenade you see lying on the ground up. Army/Marine training says you yell "Grenade" and roll and duck until it goes off or someone with EOD training can check it out.

But no one really wants to dump on a cripple about his fishy tale - unless he dumps on Guard people as cowards, for example.
***************
Saw 2 Kerry media products in the last day or so.

His intro commercial is basically "hey look at me, a fearless Vietnam hero in uniform who went on to great public service fighting for the average American". It all builds off Kerry the War Hero. If Kerry continues to have issues arising from the Swift Boat days or his anti-war actions - the "war hero" that he uses as his real core becomes suspect, and everything built on Vietnam - his Senate years, etc., also becomes suspect.

The 2nd Kerry was a speech to the Jewish Anti Defamation League - which is one of the venues all the candidates will trot to to plead for a piece of the coveted Jewish PAC treasure hoard. In that speech, I saw a much, much better public speaker than many conservatives now think. Confident, erudite without being too intellectual, very clear, and truly a gifted illustrator of his travels to Israel and experiences there. And presenting a good argument that he'd be better for Israel than Bush. He gave tons of assurances that the US would never force Israel to do anything against that nation's will.

Jews only constitute 2% of the population, but their vote is important in a few swing states like FL and Pennsylvania. And, Jewish donor dollars amount to about 1/2 of the funds that Democrats get.

Kerry gave the ADL audience a reassuring speech that Israel can go with Kerry, so there is no need to shift votes or dollars to the Republicans. My guess is that Bush can push his tax cuts for the wealthy and schmootch Ariel Sharon's large backside all he wants to - the Jewish votes and bucks stay put with the Dems for 2004, jilting yet another ardent Republican wooer.

Posted by: Ranbutan at May 4, 2004 04:52 PM

Ranbutan, I have yet to figure you out. You start off well and then plow turf at the end. I think your assessment is almost as bad as my spelling.

I don't think the Jewish people are going to hang their hats on Kerry any more than the rest of the country. I think the economy is growing in record breaking fashion and that people are going back to work in record numbers.

I think anyone that takes Kerry's word for anything need only wait five seconds and he will say the opposite. Given that he will have told the truth at least half the time. This is better by far than Clinton.

After the convention I see Kerry going into a spiral just before he too plows turf in November. The more people who work the more tax revenue we generate as opposed to paying out in unemployment. It will no doubt work out in the end barring successfull terrorist attack.

Posted by: Mack at May 4, 2004 05:11 PM

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Posted by: Joke Of The Day at May 4, 2004 05:51 PM

Doctor who treated Kerry's first "purple heart" wound used a band-aid! Crew's account of circumstances and Kerry's differed. This reads almost like something Scott would write. Click on my name to read...wonder if he got a lollipop?

Posted by: Roger That at May 4, 2004 06:02 PM

Copy of the Swift Boat Vet's denunciation of Senator Kerry:

http://nationalreview.com/document/vets200405041615.asp

The letter hits Kerry hard, but does not declare Kerry unfit to be CiC. It does say "substantive concern" on his fitness to serve as CiC, one step below a "unfit' declaration. And, accuses Kerry of deceit inflicted on the public, betrayal of comrades, abuse of his medals, and demands full release of Kerry's military records.

All in all, pretty bad news for Kerry as it comes on the day he runs the first "this is me, the war hero", intro ads. It will be interesting to see how the mainstream press treats this Kerry vs. Vietnam Swiftboat Vets story. Make it prominent? Or bury it?

*********************

Mack - The Kerry I watched in the ADL speech rebroadcast was an extremely effective speaker. It may not matter if he self-destructs elsewhere, but he is now putting out foreign policy positions that show he is going to run well right of the Dem Centrists. And he could end up badly showing Bush up in a debate if he is capable of rising to ADL performance levels.

As for the Jews, Bush can do whatever Israel wants and reward the big bucks Jewish donors with stupendous paybacks via his tax cuts targeting the wealthy - and I think it won't matter much. Reps get 10-15% of the Jewish vote and 10% or so of the Jewish donations, going back to FDR days. Excepting Reagan in 1984, who got more.

Ever since Nixon, Reps have woo'd that ethnic group, mainly in hopes of breaking the financial back of the Democratic Party. Except for 2 years of Bush I, tried to show they would support Israel even if those actions hurt American interests to try to pry the funds away from the Democrats. With no real luck.

The influence of the neocons with Bush doesn't matter much. They are a very small group, outside the Jewish mainstream. Regarded as opportunistic ex-lefties serving as Bush's palace courtiers. Bush will be lucky to get 15% of the Jewish vote, and if he tries very hard, he might get 20% of the donor money. Nor will Dubya get much of the black vote. 10% perhaps. A small improvement from the 8% he got in 2000.

I could be wrong, but those numbers are my guestimates.

Posted by: Ranbutan at May 4, 2004 06:06 PM

John O'Neill actually entered Vietnam after Kerry had already left. Never served with Kerry. Was a Nixon stooge. Amazing isn't it? One of, if not the most corrupt, criminal presidents in history (until this one of course), Richard Nixon (a Republiscam, of course) hand-picked O'Neill to discredit Kerry.

And now the scrapplers, republiscams, freepers and the neocons are going back to the Nixon bag of dirty-tricks in a desperate attempt to discredit him again.

By the way, I'd be interested to see the party affiliation of these Vietnam veterans who are trying to discredit Senator Kerry. Anybody want to place wagers on how many are Republiscams, and how many (if any) are independents or Dems - because we all know Republiscams have no integrity, and no loyalty to anything except the Republican party (including vets, war heros, and America).

But you Scrapplers have a point. After all, George Bush's heroics in war-time are definitely something to be proud of. Oh...wait. Well at least Cheney ... hmm, no. Well, when you guys get your facts from decorated heroes like Karl Rove ... oh. Well, at least Bill O'Reilly was out there every day ... oops. Oh, and the Republicans who didn't dodge the draft, who did serve - like Colin Powell, like John McCain - they say Kerry is a war hero and has a record to be proud of.

Just like his commanders at the time did. What was it Bush's commanders said - "Was not observed during this period?" Why didn't gung-ho cowboy Bush who supported the war in Vietnam serve there? Why did he check "do NOT volunteer for overseas duty" on his application. Why didn't he pass that medical test? Could it be, like most Republicans, he's a chickenhawk coward?

Kerry = war hero. Leader. Soldier who served his country.

Bush = draft dodger. Yale cheerleader (snicker). Drunk and druggie who failed a medical test and still has NOT shown any documents to prove he showed up for duty in Alabama, other than the fact he got his teeth checked once.

Keep trying Ott - this is an issue you guys will get your rears handed to you on. Senator Kerry's the real deal, a decorated wounded war hero who came back to fight against the unjust war he'd seen first hand. Booosh was a rich boy who skipped over hundreds of other Americans to get a safe hiding place in the guard, and couldn't even do that right because he had to get his drink and his snort-snort on.

But keep trying to discredit Senator Kerry's record. We want you to draw attention to the different military records of these two men. It means we won't have to dig your graves since you've already done it yourselves.

On the environmental front, there couldn't be more differences between two people. Did you see Shrub pretending to be Earth-friendly on Earth Day? He gets lots of practice, pretending to be president, while Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle run things. The Mother will not be fooled, Junior! You are not an enviromentalist..you are a pollution-friendly, oil grabbing, capitalist monopolist. How's that Halliburton stock doing?

Posted by: Lisa-Sports Figure, Orlando FL at May 4, 2004 06:19 PM

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Posted by: Saturday Night Live at May 4, 2004 06:28 PM

People I read what you wrote and I'm starting to get the picture. Maybe John Kerry IS wasting mucho dinero. Selling an idea his market don't want to buy. Like trying to sell the Pope a double bed.

Lisa ma'am, you make some good points. But me you and the rest of the country know convincing the righties on war stuff is a waste of time. They can have that issue if you know what I mean. I got nothing against the military. They serve a valuable service for the government.

BTW: I've been told I am very good looking AND I can lick my eyebrows.

"Fins to the left, fins to the right,
and she's the only dame in town"
- Jimmy Buffet

Posted by: Mr. Tambourine Man at May 4, 2004 06:38 PM

Lisa, split fissures said: "Kerry = war hero. Leader. Soldier who served his country."

Lisa: cute, but try this one instead:
Kerry=political opportunist. "Served" four months in Vietnam, earned a Purple Heart for a piece of "schrapnel" (questioned by even the physician who treated him) the size of a pencil eraser.

Kerry=Came home, betrayed his "fellow" soldiers, and is now trying to use some sort of conjuring, revisionist history to shore up his sagging political fortunes.

Then you scrawled: "But keep trying to discredit Senator Kerry's record. We want you to draw attention to the different military records of these two men. It means we won't have to dig your graves since you've already done it yourselves."

No, Kerry should have dug the graves of all the people he killed as a war criminal, like *he* claimed he was. Actually, the BEST thing that could happen for President Bush is for Kerry to keep bringing up the military records. NO ONE CARES except Kerry, and Mr. Bush just keeps going from strength to strength while Kerry goes down in flames!

Posted by: GrimmerReaper at May 4, 2004 06:44 PM

****BREAKING NEWS*****BREAKING NEWS*******

Kerrys running mate announced!
Look behind the name tag!!

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 4, 2004 06:49 PM

If the most serious form of corruption for a president is disregard for the law you are sworn to uphold Nixon is not a serious contender for most corrupt president. Even for presidents in the last century he is only a bit above average. Johnson and Clinton were at least as bad, FDR was too but for better reasons. Nixon suffered because no one really liked him and his corruption was petty and because Republican voters (not the party officials who are pretty much the same as Democrats) have less tolerance for corruption than Democratic voters. The Republican voter largely abandoned Nixon, despite Clinton’s behavior his voter base still supported him.

Posted by: The Were-Penguins of Seville at May 4, 2004 06:50 PM

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Posted by: Avery at May 4, 2004 06:53 PM

SO WHAT? SO WHAT? SO WHAT KERRY only served 4 months
more than most you can say
i did a training camp for two weeks and even got the gold star!!!

ARMED WITH MY SUPER S-RIFLE!
I FIGHT FOR LIFE! PEACE!

Posted by: E.L.F. SOLDIER at May 4, 2004 07:02 PM

Might I suggest the Pinot Noir? A depth even pone-fed bumpkins such as Boy Bush could appreciate...

Posted by: Harry Lime at May 4, 2004 07:11 PM

CO Kitty Cat:
LOVED IT!

ELF Boy: I got a gold star, too. In school when I was young. I think it was for good attendance.

What did you get your for? Did you finally sleep through the night without tinkling in the sheets?

Why Harry! I thought you might recommend a pinot grigio. The alliteration makes me think of "grievious", which is what most of your posts are!

Posted by: GrimmerReaper at May 4, 2004 07:19 PM

"What did you get yours for?" is what I meant to write.

Posted by: GrimmerReaper at May 4, 2004 07:21 PM

It never fails to amaze when a lefty criticizes Bush for being a boozer and druggie-
(getting " his snort-snort on"). Isn't that cute!
I guess Clinton's brand of portraying a druggie to be cool was more palatable to these folks.
He said he smoked pot but didn't inhale! That either makes him a liar (my choice!), or a fake *ss nerd who was trying to look cool and/or score with the hippie chicks. Either way that equals Loser.
Listen to the Vets against Kerry-real war heroes know that Kerry is not.

Posted by: Beerme at May 4, 2004 07:37 PM

Here is a war hero who earned a Purple Heart and would probably make a better president than Kerry. Due to space limatations the story is condensed. Lisa, heads up on this one.

Shortly after Chips (a dog)and the men had made their way ashore and established a beachhead on Sicily, the soldiers, thinking they were momentarily out of danger, slowly inched their way to an abandoned pillbox where they decided to take a short rest. Tired and weary, Chips, however, could not relax. His senses told him there was danger nearby and suddenly he broke away from his handler - violating a sacred rule - dashed across a stretch of No Man's Land. A bullet pierced his body, but he ignored the pain and threw himself into an enemy machine gun nest. The firing stopped. There was deadly silence, and for a moment Chips was not seen or heard. When his comrades got to the scene, they saw Chips holding onto the throat of the enemy gunner, and five other terrified men with their arms raised in surrender.
In tribute to Chips, the men he had saved were determined to honor him. Lieutenant Lucian Truscott, who later became a general, recommended Chips for the Silver Star and Purple Heart, citing how "his courageous action in single-handedly eliminating a dangerous machine-gun nest and causing the surrender of its crew had prevented injury and death to his men."

Posted by: Ms RightWing at May 4, 2004 07:53 PM

Purple heart
Car won't start
put the horse before the cart
ala carte
think your smart
play the part
a yummy apple tart
everyone shops at Wal Mart
everybody loves a Simpson named Bart
put up more refrigerator art
you got to have heart
my daddy used to drive a Dodge Dart
the song bounced right off the chart
now it's time to depart

BURMA SHAVE

Posted by: Ms RightWing at May 4, 2004 08:13 PM

Wow! Kerry fought in Vietnam?!? Which side did he fight for?

Kitty Cat: Very funny link! To get the true effect, though, I think JFK needs to grow a great big Ayatollah Khomeini-style beard.

Posted by: a former european at May 4, 2004 08:31 PM

+++[would someone (in English) please tell me how to do that html thingie whereby I can include the link in a word in my post? Perhaps Techno Queen Cass??... who has my e-mail-- so at least a little less of Scotts bandwidth is misused by me!) THX!

"I think JFK needs to grow a great big Ayatollah Khomeini-style beard."

AFE, you mean kinda' like.......
(tap the name tag)

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 4, 2004 09:42 PM

Click HERE...........if you DARE!! BWHAA HAH HAA HA

Removes GWAR helmet

No, seriously. It's a link on HTML. You want section 2. About halfway down the page.

Puts helmet back on

BWHA HA HAH HA HA!

Posted by: Oderus Urungus at May 4, 2004 09:55 PM

Thanks Oderus! I will study it, as I don't speak alot of computerese--and see if I can figger it out. (I'd hate to experiment on ScrappleFace--yikes!)

I was hesitant to click "here" however, because of that.... GWAR helmet?....

Are you related to Dennis Kucinich? Or is that one of those blue French helmets?

Good
Will
Ambassador
R........????
(-;)

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 4, 2004 10:03 PM

CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt,

Who will be John Farouq Kerry and Al Sadr's secretary of state - Usama bin Laden? And I guess Ms RightWing's Chips the dog can be his secretary of defense.

Posted by: Hankmeister© at May 5, 2004 12:20 AM

I wouldn't be party to animal abuse! (Re: Chips) I recommend Dennis KooKoocinich as Sec. of Defense. He's just plain SCAAAAREEEEY. A regular one man Army, if you will!

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KitTtY cAt at May 5, 2004 12:23 AM

Mr. Tambourine Man,

If you can lick your eyebrows, are you saying you're a Frog? Double entendre intended, thank you very much.

I guess you must be because you also think you're a handsome prince.

Sarcasm mode/off

Posted by: Hankmeister© at May 5, 2004 12:27 AM

Coo-Coo is right. Kucinich (sp? - who cares) is so far left he makes Ted Kennedy look like Pat Buchanan by comparison. Now there's an odd couple, Kennedy and Buchanan 2004! Yeeeaaarrrrggghhh! Talk about an eclectic election.

Kucinich probably has a Lisa Figurine to replace the Mother Mary statue some people have on the dashboards of their cars and he probably worships a wall mural of Karl Marx in his living room. You can look up the word kook in the dictionary and Kucinich's picture would probably be next to it.

Could you imagine Kucinich and Nader on the same ticket! Whoooo Wheeee! Sad thing is they'd probably knock down about 18-20 percent of the American vote.

Posted by: Hankmeister© at May 5, 2004 12:37 AM

KooKooKucinich and Nader would be a Presidential dream team for such a time life is found to exist on Mars. I think little Dennis is farther OUT THERE than he is to the left! (-;)

I'm not a news hound as such ( get most of it HERE), but I was just thinking how eerily quiet the Nader camp has been...unless I'm just not paying attention.

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KitTtY cAt at May 5, 2004 12:48 AM

Kitty cat! You're a genius! All this time we've been wondering where Osama's been hiding, but now you've found him!

He's doing a Clark Kent! Shave off Osama's beard and he's a dead ringer for John F***ing Kerry! Kerry is really OSAMA!!!!

Kitty, are you a secret agent for the Dept. of Homeland Security?

Posted by: a former european at May 5, 2004 01:25 AM

AFE,

Ask and you shall receive, eh? I had that in my briefca....err...I happened to come across that online before I was spyi...er....I read your post.

"Kitty, are you a secret agent for the Dept. of Homeland Security?"

Now you know the drill!...If I tell you, I'll have to off you and well, I bet you're probably too tired tonite to be dealing with a hitman or hitwoman, so If you still want to know I'll answer later---but keep in mind the consequences of receiving an answer.

Besides...I'm not so sure you didn't ask that question knowing full well that J Fraudulent Kerry and Osama Been Hidin' were one in the same.. [Just which direction was it that the botox injections went awry?]

I suspect you were setting up the whole thing for the picture to be revealed. *whispering*.. Is your cubicle near my office?...ssshhhh...answer that in code since this is a public forum, Agent...err...AFE.

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 5, 2004 01:50 AM

Okay, let's talk spy: The Purple Elephant tangos at daybreak, repeat, the Purple Elephant tangos at daybreak. Countersign please.

Posted by: a former european at May 5, 2004 03:27 AM

Copy A(F)gEnt,

Orange poppyseed muffins cool in the midnight sun where underwater basket weavers sketch with charcoal.

Repeat: Orange poppyseed muffins cool in the midnight sun where underwater basket weavers sketch with charcoal.

Begrijpt u mij?
Alles is goet, dan.

Posted by: tAc YtTiK oDaRoLoC at May 5, 2004 03:58 AM

Former European,

Now that I'm in awake mode I just saw your post. It's like I said in a thread far-far-away - I think. You never see John Kerry and Usama in the same room, now do you? That proves it right there, at least by using the same logic that the libs do to equate Bush with Hitler!

Posted by: Hankmeisterh at May 5, 2004 08:22 AM

tAc:
Idday Uya Oknyah atthay Errykay Usway Inay IietvamyaH?

Posted by: Mikey at May 5, 2004 08:46 AM

Kitty, I think you're using the wrong code. Have I really been ordered to kill all diplomats at the UN?

Not that I'm complaining, mind you, since that's something that's needed doing for some time now, but I just wanted to confirm the accuracy of my assignment.

I will just put up a big sign saying "Get your free Oil for Food vouchers in Room 307". As they all come rushing in to line their filthy pockets, I will tell them to "Say ello to my lil fren" Tony Montana/Scarface-style.

Posted by: a former european at May 5, 2004 01:46 PM

Mikey,
yM terceS redoceD si no eht ztirF,GNAD!!!
esaelP taeper eht egassem...ylno "meti" 3#. [Ock-hey?]

knahT uoy.
[oy!...Im cross-eyed now and I'm NOT a Siamese, dagnabbit! (;]

AFE (LOL! U so funny! ssshhhh!-- not apropos behavior for spies)

It is as it was. Repeat: It is as it was.

[that's the Papal..err....paper? part]
Oh, and have fun. Dont forget Bible(book of John) FIRST, lil fren next.(`;

Posted by: CoLoRaDo Papal (or is it paper) KiTtY cAt at May 5, 2004 02:07 PM

Cat, It was in igpay atinlay. Asked about a rumor tht Kerry may have served overseas when he was in the navy or army or girl scouts or something. Not sure.

Have you heard anything about it lately? It will surely make a difference to my vote here. He already has me swooning with the orange bike gear which goes so well with his complexion. I would vote for him for the head protector alone.

Posted by: Mikey at May 5, 2004 03:24 PM

Actually with that long narrow helmet on he rather looks like what Mr.Ed would look like in the same get up, 'cept the legs would look better (Mr. Ed's that is).

Posted by: Mikey at May 5, 2004 03:27 PM

Cien- In honor of Cinqo de Mayo

Posted by: Mikey at May 5, 2004 03:32 PM

Mikey,

LOL!! Oh and re: the "code", I got the ig-Pay atin-Lay. Just got snagged (I am now declawed) not a couple words.

In the pic linked on (I think another tread) of Kerry and Dukakis on the tank....Kerry looks EXACTLY like Gomer Pyle...and Mikey's gonna get hot about this--he's got his bicycle helmet one. hubba hubba! (oOPS..Upcoming/Outgoing furball...)

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 5, 2004 05:29 PM

Dang..I'm a spell checkers busiest day today!

I meant to say: I got snagged (I am NOT declawed)
ON a couple words.
OH! Time for my catnip...no I MEANT catnIp!

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 5, 2004 06:37 PM

Cassandra,
Don't you mean that he fought, but nobody was hurt because of his fighting ? Except himself - of course !!

Posted by: mindknumbed kid at May 5, 2004 11:40 PM

I saw the tank picture. WOW!I want marry the whole Dem party now and have their children!

Posted by: Mikey at May 6, 2004 08:00 AM

Mikey,
LOL! (cuz I know you're not serious. YIKES! what a thought to actually BE so....a fate worse than ___ [fill in the blank].

Posted by: CoLoRaDo KiTtY cAt at May 6, 2004 01:04 PM

Shucks. There's just ain't no respect for us ol' machines no more.

Posted by: GeneGene the Dancin' Machine, never attacked nobody, cept maybe Chuck Barris at May 6, 2004 11:46 PM

Mornin', Spd!
:D

Posted by: Pooke at May 6, 2004 11:50 PM

Did Kerry actually fight in the war when called upon by his country and win two medals for valor? Does this web site use real sand?

Posted by: Wes at May 8, 2004 08:03 AM