Going for #1 ... I love quotas!

#2 -just like Bush in the popular vote.

Scott, Vous etes le meilleur.

Scott, you are the best ! (Translated for the Morons)

Cordialement

I'm still angry. I mean pee'od.

I'm not a doctor, I just play one on TV. But for Saddam's mental illness, I prescribe a topical application of copper-jacketed lead delivered at about 1000 feet per second.

It should clear right up.

I read the latest translation of Saddam's last messages to his troops before running (I mean withdrawing) from Bagdad.

It said " Fear not my faithful unbeatable warriors, we will win in the end. I have a plan. I am going to disguise my self as a Senator in the US and run for President on the Democratic ticket. When I am elected there will be virgins for all -- at least 72 and not in blue dresses -- And even if not elected the CIA will brief me on all that is going on the world before the election so I will know all the Americans secrets. We can then take advantage of those secrets to kill the infidel dogs. Maybe a few more planes or bombs or something to kill thousands more American dogs. I have the gas so I can unleash that upon them, they can never find my cache of gas, I hid it too well. We will triumph in the end, may their stomachs roast in hell"

I know this is a true translation 'cause I got it from "Bagdad Bob"!!!!!

If only Saddam had some ridilin available as a child, this all could have been avoided.

Are you feeling less than 100%? You may want to give me a call. I can hook you up on something that will make you feel better. And it is all perfectly legal.

And remember, JUST SAY NO THE DRUGS [the illegal mind altering kind ruining our schools, not the legal, prescribed mind altering kind I sell making teachers' and parents'jobs easier].

On an unrelated topic...
Remember the story about the NY school system test that only 38% of students could pass?
A new story on CNN (I know, I know, a buncha Lefties) said that a study flound that 43% of those same NY students are overweight.
Yet another giant money-wasting Democratic program waiting to happen: Diet Schools! A third less calories, but just as stupid!

Now we will have to foot the bill for Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, and Slim Fast.

God Bless (Help) America

p.s. And I'm praying to the Supreme Court to get three televangelists to retire.

Fat and stupid, huh? You can always diet and study. If they're ugly too though, well, as we say in the South, "God Bless 'em."

Eg, She used to be fat and stupid, but she dieted and studied hard, and now she's neither. But, God bless her, she's still ugly as a stump.

[Ugly girl overhearing comment: "That's nice"] Southern for f-u.

I like "bless his/her heart." You can say anything terrible thing, but if you preface it that way it isn't construed as an insult.

For example: Bless her heart! She can't help being ugly, but she she could have stayed home.

I knew J E Hoover and Ray Cohn and our ole drinkin buddy,smokin Joe McCarthy and I can attest that Cohn never ever had sex with the kid he got out of the army.
These men were staples of the Republican party and are above reproach!

that's interesting... my favorite version of that is when y'all use "god bless her" or "bless her heart" to mean "holy cow look at those legs".

Hudson, Rock: Deceased film actor. Died from AIDS. Wonder how he got that behavior related disease. BYW, Rock Please give us your proof of this old charge that was made up and disproved decades ago when the person making the charges admitted to lying. Inquiring minds want to know!!

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

But then, nearly all disease is behavior related, and I got what I deserved for my hypocritical Christianity.

Once again I am awed at the logic and overpowering persuasiveness of Mr. Rock's powerful mind and arguements. You go, girl!

OK, Rock, just cause cause I thought Old Sailor was a little out of line doesn't give you an excuse to be a dirty blow hard. You have crossed the line too. When I see you in hell, I'm gonna beat the dorris day out of you.

I used to be number 1 all the time. But it is more than appropriate that donkey jockey is number 2, because that's what I think of his opinions.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/197/oped/The_press_gives_Bush_a_free_ride_on_his_lies+.shtml

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
sheep,strange animals,they'll follow ya all the way to the slaughter house.

turkeys are stupid too

they'll drown to death in a good rainstorm because they dont know any better.

republicans routinely take the farm belt of america and what is known as the bible belt,also is solidly republican.

Oral Roberts University....Bob Jones University...
beacons of higher learning and tolerance.

Listen closely folks..what you are hearing is the sound of a bunch of 19 year olds that dont want to be in Bagdad courtesy of the war hero from Camp Crawford and his friends from Haliburton.
the sound of his popularity slowly but surely going into the crapper..the sound of an unemployed proffesional that just lost 57% of his 401k since the cowboy took over..

the other sound you hear is the big phffffff u coming from the rest of the world when we ask them for help in occupying iraq and that last sound you hear....

that would be the belly laffs coming out of the mouths of bin-laden and the rest of the al-queda fun bunch.

this has come down to a battle of wits and we as americans are showing up hopelessly outgunned due to the imbecile occupying the whitehouse.

there is no goal,there is no strategy,theres just 150,000 kids being used as target practice so Dick Cheneys goombahs can get no bid contracts.

this shame belongs to the sissy democrats too..
where were they 6 months ago when this spoiled lil tyrant couldve been stopped?

now that george is reeling a bit theyre coming out of the woodwork demanding this and investigating that...

if any one of the contenders for president had made their case back then we wouldve had a clear leader...instead they too acted like the sheep that they are and we will remember this come november 04.

Interesting that this satire is about sanity and all the nutbags like Rock tend to show up.

re: republicans routinely take the farm belt of america and what is known as the bible belt,also is solidly republican.

Maybe that's because they have some values and don't accept the "there is no right and wrong - anything goes as it gets me votes" mantra of the DNC.

Hmmmmmm......bags with nuts.

SRG: You are NOT a doctor and should NOT be practicing on this blog. ;-)
Let us hear from Dr. Stuhl.

SRG: just joking! I would love to be the pharmacist to sell your -er- -um- prescription.

Values...Good ole Christian type values....

We're doing GODS work over in Iraq right?

Deep down in your heart,can you honestly say that Bush is doing Gods work?

I mean you really think that GOD would be a republican?

This president told the prime minister of Palestine that GOD told him to go to Iraq.

That sucking sound you hear is the last bit of credibility coming out of the whitehouse.

Try to harness it because it wont be back till Jan 09.

Saddam may be genetically predisopsed to act in his rather precarious manner!

Rock - you go girl.Tell those mean and scary conservatives a thing or two.Just because two grown men put on bathrobes, drink martinis and want to fry up a couple of steaks together, is no reason to discriminate.Steaks have feelings also. Well,..they did at one time.I mean, uh..oh,..when they were cows.Oh, I just get so flustered when I think about large pieces of prepackaged meat.Did you see my brother on Batman. Talk about a guy in tights?

Toodles,
Libby

Who thinks that soldiers want to be at war? I think my father in law, who was a POW in WWII was quoted as saying "aw shucks can't I stay? I don't want to go home yet".

Who thinks France is the rest of the world?

Who thinks Dick Cheney is making a dime from the contracts in Iraq?

Who is an unemployed shmuck who left his 401k $$ in high-risk categories instead of investing in safer funds and then blame GWB for the loss?

Who who who?

George Looney, posting as Rock Hudson, that's who.

Amiri you know how wrong you are just admit it.
Unemployment at a 10 year high,I didnt make this up.

Stock market down over 2000 points since feb 00,this is a fact as you may or may not know.

Any other country losing 1-2kids a day in the occupation of Iraq.

Which countries are chomping at the bit to help us over there after we told them all to go to hell,never mind,anyone over 10years old knows that answer.
the Indians wouldnt even give us any soldiers and theres over a billion of them.

Yes and I am the only person in the free world that thinks Dick Cheney is making money over there.

Yes yes yes and while I was having tea with Jesus yesterday afternoon he told me GWB was installed to ""liberate"" the Arab world..

Yes and the cow did in fact jump over the moon...

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...
denial aint just a body of water in Egypt.

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/16/iraq_morale.htm
when I read this I almost cried myself.

Some Random Guy:
Correction, a .308 diameter bullet, 165gr SPBT w/about 55gr of H414 should do trick out of a Remington 700. *Smile*

There will be no terrorist attacks such as 911 on our soil as long as Bush is president. The bad guys know how he'll respond. How would the Dems respond? The Democrats are in OZ... Dean wants to be their wizard... but all they really want is to click their heels together returning to the Clinton era.

Rock you should write for the DNC. They could use you in the upcoming campaign. The Leage of Unextrordinary Gentlemen (LUGs) otherwise know at the D-9, or the Democratic Party's pathetic showing for the 2004 election, definately need some assistance. Any ten year old, who did not go to a government school could tell you that unemployment was heading up and the economy was heading down at the time W took office. He inherited this mess from Clinton. This same 10 y/o could also tell you that the economy is on the rebound, much to the chagrin of the DNC.

Any other countries losing 1 - 2 kids a day? Try EEngland and Iraq. And for Iraq it's a vast improvement.

Intellegence was "darn good"!!!!!!

Why is it that liberals always call you a Bible thumper if you mention values? Do they believe you can't have values unless you go to church every Sunday?

He's mad...Mad I tell you!!!

Sorry sage but the Brits lost 6 kids to the Iraqis,the rest were killed by us in friendly fire.Very correct on Iraq.

Do you need a list of economic people from Alan Greenspan to Warren Buffet who consider Bush's economic plan or lack there of nothing short of a disaster?

Did you for 1 minute even consider the fact that cops are being laid off across the country so we can ""secure"" Bagdad?

Is this in our national interest Mr Sage?
Is this how we secure the homeland?

read my post from 1:13,the democrats get theirs as well,I for one cant stand someone who compromises their principles for a vote.

the democrats who didnt have the courage to take on Bush when given the chance certainly are worse morally than the man who simply doesnt know any better.

How can you consider this man a conservative as he spends money he doesnt have to secure a country 8000 miles from washington and in the meantime local communities are laying off cops because of state cut backs because of federal cutbacks etc....

his own economists are predicting a record 475billion deficit which will ballon to 930bill at the end of his term,1/2 of this is due to the bush tax cuts of 01 and this year.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/197/editorials/A_dangerous_deficit+.shtmlx cuts.

he should know what happens with tax cuts as his old man lost in 92 because he had to bail reagans butt out of the fire.

do you people even know what a conservative is??
you dont spend more money than the 39 presidents before you put together and call yourself a conservative.
you dont trade arms for hostages and call yourself a conservative.
you dont rape your own economy for the sake of the top 1% of earners and call yourself conservative...or do you?

Rock for brains:

Tax cuts do not cause deficits. Spending more than tax receipts does. The major tax cuts of recent history, Reagan included, caused massive increases in tax receipts.

You see, the economy is not static. Decreases taxes will typically increase economic activity and growth. Taxing 20% of $100 is better (from a tax receipt and economic perspective) than taxing 25% of $75. More GNP, and more tax receipts.

But if you increase spending more than the increase in tax receipts, we get deficits. If you want to bust on Bush or Republicans for allowing spending to continue to spiral out of control (continue, not create -- the Democrats are responsible for the creation of most of these awful money pit programs), I'm with you. But you won't really do that, b/c you like spending, and you like taxing. Nothing is more fun than altruism with other people's money.

The deficit also is only a record in "gross" terms. The % of the deficit is still quite small. Again, using small numbers you can understand, if I am an evil rich person making $100,000/year (maybe $50,000 after taxes in your perfect world), and I spend $105,000, I have a $5,000 deficit. But that is only 5% of my income, and probably quite manageable. On the other hand, if my income is $20,000, and I have a $5,000 deficit, that is 25% of my income, and I am in deep doo-doo. The so-called deficit (BTW, we never had a surpluss, real or imagined) under Bush is still a small % of GNP, and smaller than many deficits in % terms in US history.

The top 1% of US income earners pay about 17% of all taxes; top 50% pay about 95% of all income taxes. Who isn't paying their fair share?

Rock: I, unfortunately, do not posess the ability to reason with the intellectually less fortunate, so I won't even try. If you truly believe the Democratic party line that you are spewing, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, there is no hope for you. Just please do us all one favor and sleep in on election day.

Did you for 1 minute even consider the fact that cops are being laid off across the country so we can ""secure"" Bagdad?

I'm really struggling with this one...most cops are paid from city, state, or county funds - just how is the Iraq war having an effect on the hiring of local cops?

Rock:

"That's not an argument! It's just contradiction... An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Contradiction is the automatic gainsay of anything the other person says."
-- Monty Python, "The Argument"

I see you've posted a lot, but don't seem to have anything to say other than "nany nany nya nya"-type rebuttals which, as noted above, doesn't constitute an argument. If you really want to debate, try taking a position and defending it (or critiquing, in a logical manner, the means in which another persons argument is deficient).

Oh, sorry times up. If you want to continue debating with me, you'll have to pay for the full 1/2 hour.

Sony: I think you ment to write..

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/16/iraq_morale.htm
when I read this I almost pee'd myself with joy.

I am sure moral was probably low when we were liberating (occupying) france.

I bet you can't wait till Dean is president. I can just see the headlines now: "In response to the terrorist attack, Dean has decided to boycott the Winter Olympics.

agreed on the reason for deficits kj but even you arent that numb not to know that the gop has had the house since 94 and the senate since 00.

the man spends like a drunken sailor then slashes taxes.

are you more in tune with the economy than greenspan and buffet?

the old saying pay me now or pay me later wont apply to me as i'm about 18months from retiring.
my kids are educated and working,let them deal with it when they turn 50.

kenneday cut taxes in 1962,johnson raised them
reagan cut taxes heavy in 1981-82 creating the largest deficit in history in 1983...bush and clinton had to raise them...

now bush lite is cutting them again,not once but twice...

heres a look into my crystal ball kj,guess whats coming your way in less than 10years and I dont care if E Howard Hunt,John Mitchell,G Liddy,James Waat or John Erhlichman is in the whitehouse at that time,someone always has to pay the bills.

I paid,I am paying and I have a question.
How much is 48billion divided by the amount of taxpaying Americans anyway??

After KJ's comments, I hesitate to add anything, but it is also classic economic policy to run a deficit during lows in the business cycle and a surplus during highs in the business cycle.

I heard the same swill after we reagan bombed Khadaffi in April 85..
""we wont hear from him anymore""..

lockerbie,12-88???
ask the kids from syracuse how effectively we shut him up!

cassandra bush cut aid at the state level,states cut aid to the municipalities,the cities lay off fireman and cops.

this is an argument against the invasion and occupation of iraq,so please,open a book or go wave a flag at the post office but dont tell me how dangerous hussein was cause he was in the pocket of your heroes dad for 10 years before gulf1.

The tax cuts you mentioned Rock - they all resulted in more "revenues" for Uncle Sam, not less. I agree that the Republicans have done a poor job of stopping the spending bleeding, but it would be worse with Democrats holding all three (Pres/House/Senate), and anyone thinking differently is silly. Remember, increased spending was necessary for military reasons. The problem lies in the fact that Democrats nationalized everything - law enforcement, welfare, war on poverty, etc. The states became dependant on US tax money b/c the tax rates grew to the point that the States couldn't really do the taxing themselves. As the feds reapportion some of the money, the States will have to make tough decisions. If Republicans tried to cut social spending domestically, the Dems would go on the offensive claiming they hate old people, children and minorities. And the Rep are too wussy to fight that.

Let us not forget the cause of current economic "crisis": the bursting of the dot-com bubble, and Clinton's $500 billion tax increase.

Thank you SRG

On a completely unrelated topic: "Franken-food" protesters disrupted the Tour de France yesterday, costing Lance Armstrong about 90 seconds. Fortunately, his nearest competitors were in the same bunch, so they also lost 90 seconds.

Ya just gotta love those wacky French.

The republicans have spent and spent and spent just like the democrats.

I for 1 like balance at the federal level,we arent seeing that right now with both house,senate and the presidency in the hands of the gop.

Michael Dukakis....anyone remember him?
The author of the so-called massachusetts miracle of the 80s....ya right,well anyway he in 1990,passed his last budget of 13.2billion dollars.

12straight years of gop governors and does anyone want to guess what the mass state budget is?
does anyone want to guess how many times the gas tax was raised,liquor tax,cigarette taxes,fees for licenses,parks etc....

perhaps i come off as a liberal,perhaps i come off as anti-bush and perhaps i sound like an angry old man but Ive had it,had it with Iraq,had it with so called conservatives,had it with the mealy mouthed tampax wearing democrats and ive certainly had it with people who dont put their money where their mouths are but would certainly put mine or yours up.

see,we arent all that different other than the fact that some days the voices tell me to stay home and clean the guns.

i would consider moving to the moon if it had cable instead i'll look into montana which is the next closest place.

anyone see what happened to the canadien reporter in iran?

End Withholding!!! Bring on a national sales tax!!! Then we'll see if our elected officials still feel as free to spend like crazy.

Once there was this angry old hermit who lived in a cave. One night, some boys from the village snuck up on the hermit while he slept. The boys rubbed limburgher cheese into the hermit's beard.
The next morning the hermit woke up and looked all around while sniffing everything.
"I was right!" said the hermit,"The whole world stinks."

Withholding will end. It was promised as a short term solution to funding WWII. Like all short term fixes passed by politicians, it will end as promised. It will end soon. Washington's politicians promised me. They wouldn't lie.

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Are we still funding WWII? :)

Are we still funding WWII? Believe it or not, Italy still has a department to assist the Orphans of WWII. I wonder if any of our assistance to Italy funds that department.

I learned today that when Atlanta lays off a cop, it is b/c of Gulf War II. So yes, Virginia (I mean Cassandra) we may still be funding WWII.

Aside: I was at a Jackson Brown concert the other night (I went to see opening act Keb'Mo' and left wing wacko but good singer/songwriter Steve Earle, but I had to sit through JB to see their encores), he sang about some govt. inequities, and mentioned Ruby Ridge and Waco. Something occurred to me.

When the media and the left (redundant?) speak about government abuse, when the example occurs under Democratic leadership, it is always "the evil Government." Ruby Ridge and Waco were the FBI's fault, or the Federal government's fault, but not Clinton's fault. These remarkable examples of overhanded tactics are not referred to as the result of a Democratic administration. But when stuff like a Patriot Act abuse happens, or even a NYC cop shooting, it is referred to as a problem of the Republican heading that administration (Bush's Patriot Act, Rudi's rouge cop problem). Why is it only Republicans that can be tyrants at times?

Rock -

Disrespecting the ìRockî that other people might choose to stand on only shows why,
you will never gain an ounce of respect from freedom loving, compassionate, individuals who blog on satirical websites.
Convincing someone that they might be wrong is not accomplished by the foul complacency
and egotistical driven comments that are being displayed from your obvious lack of manners.

You may not share the same beliefs about religion ñ and that is fine.

You are certainly allowed to have faith in what ever you believe in. How you solve lifeís, problems and define its solutions, are certainly characteristic of what could have happened between you and your simian ancestors. I would never desire to take that life accomplishment away from you. Believe me when I say, what ever it takes to keep your spiritual house in order, is no ones theological musings but your own. Pick a branch and claim it as your own. Whatever makes you happy?

It may now appear that you are right in your own interrelated ideas or principles, yet it wouldnít be fair if I didnít warn you in the long run, the decisions you stand by now, may be pejorative to your seating arrangement in the afterlife, no matter how low the branch is to the ground.

Please, donít continually remind us of your lack of congeniality towards matters of faith and theology, by little pan troglodyte taunts that any chimp with an abacus and the latest copy Scientific American could post on an atheist message board.

The lack of communicable maturity you are displaying is offensive even to a staunch liberal with manners. A true public debater would never stoop to the level that seems to come so naturally to you.

Please excuse my Darwinian comments.

I have met a few liberal pagans in my lifetime and when they finally learned how to think more clearly, through effective hormone therapy to develop a backbone and walk erect, they agreed with me that it isnít important what your feelings are ñ just how you display them in public.

I am remorseful to admit sir, that in your case, you are a thoughtless, blundering, egotistical, extremely negative, cromagnonistic, poster child for irritating liberals, who show no concern for anyoneís feelings but their own. I strongly suggest you enroll in some type of Pagan anger management class. ;)

for grins,

Dr. Harden Stuhl
BA, MD, PHD, (Mostly BS) Microsoft Certified
Winner of the Golden Simian Debating Team Awards 1981-2003

Over here kj {motioning with hands}
in the Boston office of the FBI we witnessed ohh maybe 35-40 years of corruption.
We had innocent people sentenced to death for murder,framed up by the local chapter of the fbi and their informants.
We had the head of the Boston FBI just sentenced to 10years for obstruction,bribery and fraud.
He may yet get charged with murder 1.

The Boston FBI is currently on the hook for about 5 billion in law suits because the informants the feds were using are currently being charged with 19 murders.

This doesnt absolve Miss Reno,the attorney general for the children,for burning 80 of em in Waco,however Ruby Ridge and the initial charge at Waco are strictly on the Feds.

Ky,look closely and you can in fact see the forest from the trees.

Jackson Brown sucks for the record.

KJ:

Next thing you'll be telling me there's a Santa Claus...

now THERE's a classy comeback...

The deaths at Waco rest squarely on the shoulders of David Kour..Cur..that nut job who claimed he was the Messiah.

Ruby Ridge is more questionable, but when a 12 or 13 year old points a gun at me, he ceases to be a child and becomes a target. As for Ms. Nut-job and the baby, that was a tragedy. Well, the baby was. Mrs. Nut-job had free will, and if she had had any sense, she would have bugged-out and gotten away from Mr. Nut-job.

No, I don't remember their names, and I really don't care what they were.

It's really very simple: if you don't violate federal firearm's laws, then agents won't come to arrest you. If they don't come to arrest you, then there won't be any firefights.
It is a simple cause and effect chain.

Rock, Greenspan didnít criticize the tax cuts, in fact he was all for the end of double taxation on dividends and in fact agrees that tax cuts are the best way to stimulate a lagging economy.

What also he said was that the tax cuts should be offset by spending discipline, which you and I are in agreement on. The expansion of Medicare, the Farm bill and the nod given to every new entitlement in face of the war on terror is a mistake that hopefully can be corrected with a much more controlled Congress and enhanced revenue over the long term.

But you canít blame the tax cuts for the economic slowdown; they tax cuts have barely taken effect yet.

And your argument about cops being laid off is bogus. State aid was increased in the last budget.

And removing a thug with God-Knows-What and harboring God-Knows-Who has been in our best interests with regard to foreign policy. The atmosphere in the Middle East has changed dramatically since the war:

Israel is finally making concessions and Palestine has a new PM. The two sides are talking again
Our troops have pulled out of Saudi Arabia
Syria has agreed to cooperate with the US
Dissidents in Iran are rising against their totalitarian government
The Taliban is no longer in control of Afghanistan
The highest members of Al Queda are sitting in Gitmo instead of flying planes into our buildings

The Democrats wonít take on Bush because they canít win the election by doing so. And that is the only thing in their best interests.

Dr. Stuhl, always a pleasure :-)

*******Please excuse me from daydreaming in the midst of such entertaining political discussions*******

Wow, was I too hard on that Rock guy?
Rock Hudson ñ who is he kidding?
What a lug nut.
Why not just pick a more dead abstract personality?
Probably has an agenda.
Everybody has an agenda.

I wonder how many books Scott has sold.
I want a free mug.
Paypal...yeah right.

Good -GodÖ., 4 more hours to go. I hate this job.

Wow, that chick is hot!
Look at the legs on that one.
Really Hot!
Serves me right!
You never reheat chicken wings that long in the microwave.
Should have gone to lunch with everybody else....

I want to paint my cubicle. Something nice that contrasts with the rug of my office. They probably wonít let me. Noooo! Not if management says ya canít. Always working for the manangement. Idiots! Look at me I have feelings.I'm smarter than those toadies...I am the smartest painter man of all cubicles!Man I love being pompous. Heh..Heh..

Still 4 hours to go. "Note to self" ñ {stop looking at the clock every two minutes.}.

I wonder if it is possible to daydream the rest of the day until it is time to goÖÖÖÖ...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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SRG, I generally agree with you. My point was that if those events had happened under a different type of administration, the preception/media representation of fault would be different. But, if you can take 'em peacefully, you should. David whatshisname went to town all the time. They could have arrested him w/o the commando tactics.

Rock, you didn't address that point at all. So the Boston FBI is corrupt, eh? Jack booted thugs exist in our federal and local law enforcement, regardless of the political party of the current leader. That is my point.

Rock, reread the good Dr's post. Burn it in your brain.

Rock,

Such a flame from one.......

Not that one, the 4:38pm one.

KJ,

I was comparing "Rocks" flame to a different kind of flame....not the ones that wax poetically. Lest there was any confusion...

Sorry, SRG, the feds could have arrested Kouresh nearly any time without endangering his followers. He appeared in public routinely.

SRG, I have to disagree with you on this one. The 13 year old was taken out by a sniper. The kid was trying to protect his mother who had just been shot by same said sniper. The whole thing was a set up after a BATF agent had offered a sawn off shotgun that was 1/8 of an inch to short to meet federal guidlines. Care to eyeball a 20 inch barrel and tell me if it is 1/8 inches to short. The BATF and the FBI have admitted under oath before a Republican lead committee that investigated the incident, after Democrats wanted to not investigate and voted to not have a committee meeting upon the subject, but were forced to by the majority. Ruby Ridge was and is a disgrace.

Waco should not have happened. If the FBI really wanted Korish, he always went jogging at the same time and same place every day. He could have been captured with out any bloodshed, nuch less the murder of the children and women that were burned to death.

IMHO the people responsible for such acts should have been held accountable and given jail sentences; however, as the Demoncrats like to point out, how does one put the Attourney General and the President in jail? Impeachment, that didn't work.

Just a few thoughts at the end of a long day.

God never interferes in the affairs of men.

He did not create a huge storm for three days just before the Iraq war which blew away all the sand from the minefields.

God did not cause a fog to arise to allow Washington and his army to escape Brooklyn Heights, a fog which lifted just as the last boats shuttled men to Manhattan.

God did not cause a fog to arise in Yorktown that Corwallis would attempt to shuttle his men across the York and break out against the weaker force on that side of the river, nor did he cause the fog to lift once Corwallis had moved one half of his men to the north side of the river.

God did not cause a squall to arise that the American carriers could reach an unbeknownst effective attack position northeast of Midway Island, nor did he delay through mechanical problems the launch of Japanese Scout plane number four off of the cruiser Tone. When the scout number four finally was lauched then the Japanese finally found the Americans, but only after three Japanese carriers had been sunk.

God did not ensure the passage of the compromise of 1850 which allowed a decade of railroad building to occur in America shifting the northwest's allegiance to the northeast instead of the south. (The northwest: Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, etc. had been economically tied to the south because of the use of the Mississippi to transit goods.)

God did not ensure rain the evening before Agincourt that the oppressive French nobles would drown in it the next day. Nor did God raise up a girl of 17 to lead the French army 20 years later to throw off the English who had themselves become oppressive and aspired to a European empire. God never intended that English geographic isolation, once they were pushed off the continent, provide for the development of a common law system and the growth of understanding and codification the natural rights of man.

God did not thwart Napolean's desire to conquer Europe with a horrendous Russian winter. Nor did He do the same with two back to back such winter's in Russian when the Nazi's invaded.

God certainly did not hinder French colonial designs on Mexico with a rainstorm the evening before the battle of Pueblo causing the heavily weighted French Dragonnes to fall in the mud to Mexican peasants.

God in no way ensured the naval encounters of the Solomon Islands occured at night that the inferior but quicker US fleet might defeat the heavily armed and armored Japanese fleet.

God did not send the US carriers on patrol just before Pearl Harbor.

God did not blow out and away with a deep boiler explosion a man being sucked down the smokestack of the sinking USS Arizona when he was praying, "The salvation of the righteous is of the Lord, He is our strength in the time of trouble."

And of course God would never have allowed over 600,000 Americans to fall in the War Between the States that He would show the people who founded a country on His existence that all men are created equal and that He does not stomach hypocrites. All American causalties combined from all other conflicts still do not equal the deaths in that war to end American hypocrisy.
(It makes me wonder what lesson God intends for America now that it has forgotten this self-evident fact that indeed all men are CREATED (NOT BORN) equal.

No, God did none of these things,

Or did He?

The irony - this chuckling college inmate Rock/Rock Hudson shows up just when we're talking about Saddam being a fruitcake... Oh, wait, someone already said that. Well, I agree. No use arguing with him from the looks of it. But we really do need a Libertarian President, Senate, and Congress, so something gets done. Half of the stuff Bush has passed has not passed either the Senate or Congress. Sometimes it's because of Democrats giving filibusters. Whose fault is that?

SRG: I think I said that a while ago.. it went something like this:
add copper-covered lead weights to right side of head from left side at high velocity. Repeat until one stays inside head, or the clip is empty. Oops, gave it away.

I concur srg, copper jacketed should do the trick nicely.

Nurse, my putter please.

Rock, credibility was restored to the whitehouse once the arkansas white trash was moved out. Dubya should've fired willie's boy tenent though.

And because you're long of tooth, it's been said

"A young man who isn't liberal has no passion.

An old man who isn't a conserative has no brains."

I don't necessarily agree with the former, but the latter is dead-on right.

Jericho, excellent my brother, excellent.

Cassandrs, I still say you should run for public office. The folks in your area would be blessed to have you in any office.

Twilight Zone music please...

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/645.htm

From the NYPost article:
"The current flock of interchangeable Democratic presidential.."

The previously described 329 Democratic Presidential hopefuls (though few have any hope), shall now be referred to as "The Interchangeables". Makes it easier, because in most part, they are interchangeable..thus the name, I suppose...but also because that number will climb and perhaps fall...but the interchangeability shall remain.

The French version said, "Saddam is a self-made man!"

Please Believe!

Cordialment!

PEE YOU, what is that smell?

Monsour Rock, Your weekly supply of gerbils has just arrived. What are you doing with those things?

Greetings
In yesterdays posts someone mentioned the GMA attack on America. How interesting that the following day newspapers are joining in the assault by reporting on the reporting. Let me make sure I understand this (I'm slow, you see). Not all military members enjoy what they are doing? Some are not content with their lot in life? What a stunning revelation... Good Morning Amerika found three of them and broadcast their opinions to the world? Clearly then this war is a failure.

But what exactly are we to do? There is certainly no answer to this coming from the left, merely whining, and I think most Americans can tell the difference between constructive criticism (loyal opposition) and shrill whining (today's Democratic party). And I wish there were two legitimate parties in America, but only one presents us with problems and solutions these days. The other is content to stop after identifying a problem, and in the case of Iraq it's a problem that everyone is well aware of.

Given the left leadership's propensity towards incessant complaint it should be no surprise to anyone that some people in the military are willing to whine and cry publicly too. Most of this sort join the military for the pay and benefits and endlessly bemoan their fate when the time comes to do what they must. Barring swift corrective action they do indeed drag down the moral of real soldiers. Don't be fooled, we are an all-volunteer military and we are all doing what we swore to do.

More likely (hopefully) the young men were tired and just blowing off steam at a moment they thought it was safe to do so. Unfortunately, however, is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and CBS may have set the boys up for Courts Martial and long prison time in return for their little slam at Dubya.

Of course, for the first week or so of their incarceration they'd be the hottest cause celebre going, so that would be just fine for CBS, I'm sure. Then some new attack on Dubya would be launched and our boys will be forgotten for the remainder of a very long separation from their families.

Soldiers complain? Just like the fry chefs at McDonalds and the Techies at Microsoft. That must have been some serious investigative reporting to find someone in the Army with a gripe. Give the reporters a Pulitzer.

From the NY Post article linked above:
College professors, journalists or party operatives who assume that the American people are not smart enough to see into the heart of great matters without the guidance of their betters will always be frustrated by the ultimate common sense, moral force and courage of their fellow Americans.

Greyhawk, right on. I have had to administer NJP and the type of insubordination the young lads exhibited will eventually get them in lots of trouble. Civilians do not understand they Uniform Code of Military Justice or the Rule and Regulations of the DOD. When one puts on the uniform, you give up the right to critize the Comander in Chief or others in the chain of command unless one has gone through the proper procedure in the chain of command. I wonder how long it will be before the Military Unit those folks are attached to will administer NJP??

No, Jericho. He didn't do any of those things.

Soldiers griping?! Oh horrors!!
Aside from talking about the opposite sex, that is the biggest leisure-time activity in the military.
Letting the media film it was a whopper of a tactical error, though.

SRG, somehow I do not think the Commanding Officer gave his permission to the whinners. LOL

All they need to do is put a slug into one of the whiners heads,that'll cure the whining!

That's nice, Uncle Pat.

I was thinking the same thing about USMJ action agaist those soldiers ... like SRG said, griping among soldiers is almost a sport, however allowing yourself to be put on record griping about someone senior in the chain of command is really stupid and likely to get you a fast article 15. As I recall some folks got disciplined for bad mouthing slick willie when he was CINC.

Unfortunately, can you imagine the media uproar if they were court-martialed under UCMJ?

Uncle Pat is from the Captain Bligh school of leadership ... the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Doubtful they will go thru an official court marshall ... most likely a summary article 15 - extra duty, possible reduction in grade and a fine.

ehhh that's 'court-martial' not marshall!

Imagine kp duty in Bagdad with temps hovering around 125!!!!
the horror
the horror
the horror.

most likely a summary article 15 - extra duty, possible reduction in grade and a fine.

You see - just one more example of the White House and the vast right-wing conspiracy to suppress People of Opinion.

Yeah, Cassandra..that whole UCMJ is just part of the conspiracy. And the thought that someone might enforce it? It's supposed to be like normal laws, right, where you don't actually enforce, you just add new laws...

It's true .. I recall the memo stating that soldiers in uniform were subject to UCMJ action if they spoke out against the CINC ... that evil mastermind Bush had that published in 1997 anticipating this very day.

1997, eh? He was way ahead of his time, then.

And a year before Bill Clinton (who used to be a President) signed the Iraq Liberation Act.

One question, then: Was Bill Clinton (who used to be a President), merely his puppet?

Something a lot of soldiers and sailors do not know is that they are not permitted to critize any elected official while they are in uniform. This was a part of making the rules so that the military is always subservient to civilian control. I wonder if any NJP has been administered yet? It seems like these folks have offered themselves up to the altar of "example".

The interesting thing is that (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the USMJ does not apply to civilian spouses of AD military, but we were also warned not to criticize or ridicule the CINC when Clinton was in office. This happened shortly after he took the oath for his first term, so he obviously felt strongly about it.

I don't recall any warning to spouses ever coming out, jsut the warning about comments while in uniform. The UCMJ doesn't cover them, but with spouses it can be certainly awkward, especially for a senior NONCOM or any officer who has a spouse who speaks out (on any unpopular topic, not just politics). They might get an unofficial suggestion that they should get the spouse to clam up if they know what's good for their career.

A soldier is also free to speak out as any other American when not in uniform and not performing official duties. The UCMJ also doesn't cover the actions of a soldier who made derogatory comments about a politician when out of uniform UNLESS he does so in a way that undermines good order and discipline.

For example, if private Snuffy went out in civilian clothes and protested President Clinton he was perfectly within his rights as an American exercising his first amendment privilege ... however if that same private Snuffy got up on the podium and announced he was a member of the military and he and all his army buddies thought President Clinton was a slimy so-and-so ... then he is subject to UCMJ because he tied his act of protest with his military affiliation.

Private Snuffy???

Not sure if there was an official memo regarding spouses or whether someone got overzealous (could very well be the latter). It happened at 2 consecutive commands, so I assumed it came from higher up the food chain.

Those darn spouses - it's so hard to get them to behave properly...

Private Snuffy? I have to know also - Frodo..

Private Snuffy Smith (1942)
The irascible comic-strip hillbilly made it to the big screen in this wartime comedy that has Snuffy signing up for Army duty and getting mixed up with enemy spies. Bud Duncan, Edgar Kennedy, Sarah Padden star. AKA: "Snuffy Smith, Yard Bird." 65 min.

Yes, I believe that is the original origin ... is standard shorthand when referring to a fictional enlisted person ... Private Snuffy, Corporal Tentpeg etc.

Okay gabsboy, for extra credit give the origins of the term 'the whole nine yards'.

I remembered Snuffy Smith for but some reason it escaped me that he was a Private. Corporal Tentpeg...you Army guys...:)

I had always heard the whole nine yards referred to either the full sail complement for a 3-masted sailing ship or the length of a burial shroud for a burial at sea. But I've also heard that neither of those make sense.

Hint: You military connected people should know the answer to Frodo's question.

The Browning M-2 .50 Caliber machine guns in the noses and wings of fighter planes usually had a 9 yard-long ammunition belt.
Giving someone the "whole 9 yards" meant to shoot all your ammo at them and blow them to hades.

The Browning M-2 .50 Caliber machine guns in the noses and wings of fighter planes usually had a 9 yard-long ammunition belt.
Giving someone the "whole 9 yards" meant to shoot all your ammo at them and blow them to hades.

Thanks SRG. I bet your pretty annoying at parties, right?

Only if no-one wants to play Trivial Pursuit. Then I tend to whine and beg.

Category: Bluegrass music

Question: What is Uncle Pen's last name?

Hmmmmmmmm.....Yard Birds.

Vandiver.

C'mon, go ahead and give me a hard one...which can be easily looked up on Google?

1) what is a "Brass Monkey"?
2) what color is the port running light?
3) what color is the starboard running light?
4) how many ounces of relative bearing grease is required to keep the gyros running properly?
5) How many yards of waterline is required to keep a ship watertight?

Category: Sports.

In what two years were there two triple crown winners?

Category: My Job

Question: Why am I reading Scrappleface instead of working?

I want a new post please. Or else I will be forced to launch into an attack on that there Lynch Family Cat again. T

Brass Monkey: something that the balls freeze off of when it is as cold as a witch's teat.

Port running light: on my truck, it's amber.

Starboard running light: see above.

Relative bearing grease: Must be fat from a cooked Hamlet, north by north-west.

Waterline: according to a nautical manual penned by Adminals Crosby, Stills, and Nash that would be 40ft. or 13 and 1/3 yards.

No points for Googling!!

1 - brass monkey: a song by the Beastie Boys
2,3 - starboard is left, no it's right, er...
4. it's all ball bearings these days
5. the whole nine yards, of course

Sorry, the Admirals book specified 80ft. of waterline, so that would be 26 and 2/3 yards.

KJ,

Triple Crown Winners...That is easy...

King Magnus - 1330 AD -King of Sweden, Norway and Scania.

King Edmund the Martyr - 855 AD - King of Norfolk, England, King sf Suffolk, and East Angles Proper.

King James only got as far as Scotland and England. What a piker...

In reflective pause - I now see why I never get invited over to play Trivial Pursuit at anyones house.

5 boating questions. Ok, I know these, hold on ... let's see ... HEY, WHERE'D THAT ICEBERG COME FROM, TURN PORT, NO STARBOARD, THE OTHER PORT, AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHGGGGGGGHHHHH!

Well, he used to be king of the world.

What about Victoria, Queen of England, Queen of Scotland, and Empress of India?

Two (2) triple crown winners in the same year. Y'all are only giving me one triple crown for one year.

I suppose if Queen/Empress Victoria and King Magnus held all three crowns in the same year, that would work. But you have very cleverly gone astray from the scope of my legit trivia question.

Curse you Dr. Stuhl and your clever play on words!

I believe King James got Ireland too,at least Ulster because the Orange celebrate the victory at the Battle of the Boyne every July 12th from where William of Orange defeated James,forever ending the Catholic influence of the throne of England

Oh, I'll just answer it.

1933: Jimmie Foxx (Baseball, Phil. NL)
Chuck Klein (Baseball, Phi. AL)

1937: Joe Medwick (Baseball, St.L. NL)
War Admiral (horse racing)

BTW, my grandmother had two triple crowns in one year, but they didn't last and now she has dentures.

All trick questions except for #1.
1) A "Brass Monkey" was the brass box that cannonballs were kept in to prevent them from rolling about during an engagement.
2) White, there is a red filter over the light.
3) See #2, except there is a green filter.
4) No such thing as relative bearing grease
5) waterline goes all the way around the ship at the waterline.

Gotta go home. Too bored to keep up!!

1919 Sir Barton
1930 Gallant Fox
1935 Omaha
1937 War Admiral
1941 Whirlaway
1943 Count Fleet
1946 Assault
1948 Citation
1973 Secretariat
1977 Seattle Slew
1978 Affirmed

At least that's what it says on my comemorative julep glass. I don't see any 2-in-1 listings.

See my post above. The trick to the question is that there are two sports with a triple crown winner. The only baseball triple crown winner to coincide with horse racing was 1937. In 1933, each league had a triple crown winner, the only time that happened.

There are more baseball triple crown winners (but only 2 or 3 more), but none since Carl Yazstrimski in 1967.

Ed Koch has said that he will vote for Bush... not to be outdone, all 9 Democratic hopefuls also immediately endorsed Bush.

To all who post here,

Funny posts everyone.

For Grins,

Harden

1) what is a "Brass Monkey"? - Old Sailor

I read at http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/brassmonkeys.htm that the 'Brass Monkey' never really existed. I'm not sure if it's talking about the same thing though, because it references a brass plate with indentations in it, while you say it is a brass box.

The White House issued a statement today confirming the President has the memory of a goldfish. "Its true", the White House information minister Comical Ari Fleischer said. "The President of the USA is a delusional fruitcake who thinks that Elvis is still alive, that the tooth fairy exists and that Hans Blix and his men turning Iraq over for WMD was a hoax faked by Hollywood."
Our glorious leader has made this very clear "we gave him (Saddam Hussein) a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html

Well, leave it to Comi-Rummy to smack you all in the face with a healthy dose of "I'm not listening to you cause here's what matters!" You all are whining about trivia contests and soldiers who are brave enough to face bullets and the evil king george while comi and I are not avoiding the main point of the new century: Bush Lied! Oh, and here is just some more proof from a former UN weapons inspector:

Hate Fighters Unite!

body found in Blair whistleblower case.
and thats not funny.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92274,00.html

The body was next to Vince Foster no doubt. Or was he on Ron Brown's plane?

Ken, the Brass Monkey was on English Sailing Ships located below deckdecks on the gun deck. It was a box with a plate in the bottom that did indeed have indentations. The cannon balls were stacked for easy access during an engagement with the enemy. See the history of battle of Trafalgar for a description. (I can not remember which history book it was, I will have to look when I get home tonight.)

CNN LEAD STORY
WHITE HOUSE HAVING LESS FUN THAN A BARREL OF MONKEYS

In a surprising development, the White House backpedaled on previous claims that Iraq had amassed huge stockpiles of Brass Monkeys.

As most Americans have now learned from the 329 Democratic candidates for the Presidency, the threat posed by these Brass Monkeys was the principal reason given by the Bush administration for invading Iraq, a poor unsuspecting nation that was only minding its own business.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer stated, "We may not know what these Brass Monkeys are, but they definitely pose a threat to our national security. Although we haven't found any actual Brass Monkeys in Iraq, we've found plenty of their horrid little red caps lying around - also some vests, organ grinders, and brass molds that could be quickly converted to a simian shape".

Senator John F. Kerry (Vet., VietNam) offered to investigate. "Since I am a Vet, and VietNam has monkeys, I am clearly the only candidate qualified to launch an inquiry into this shameful affair. The intelligence gap must be filled with unsubstantiated allegations of wrongdoing on the part of the Bush administration. Whether or not they are ever proven true, they can only help my candidacy. Have I ever mentioned that I spent a night in jail?"

The Rev. Al Sharpton quickly countered that monkeys clearly originated in Africa. "This makes me the candidate best equipped to lead the investigation. Bush is obviously part of a racist plot to...well, give me a minute and I'll think of something..."

Senator Bob Graham had less to say about the furor, commenting that he could sum it up in five words: "Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle."

Cassandra, I'm laughing so hard I had to close my door.

Meanwhile CNN trumpets the new killer disease that will wipe us all out: Brass Monkey Pox!

LMAO

This is one of the funniest threads I've seen yet! I'm getting some really strange looks from my family right now....

The UCMJ prohibitions (punitive article) regarding contempt towards officials elected officials does not apply to enlisted members, but only allpies to commissioned officers (I am a retired commissioned offcier as well as an attorney). The language is contained in Artilce 88 and reads "Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

Artilce 89 deals with disrespect to superior officer "ART. 89 DISRESPECT TOWARD SUPERIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER
Any person subject to this chapter who behaves with disrespect toward his superior commissioned officer shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."

If an enlisted member bad mouths the President, there is no penalties. A commissioned offcier is "commissioned" by the President of the Unites States and this "commission" is forever unless rescinded. It actually gives offciers certain legal authorities, although the practice has not been used in a very long time. That is why Article 88 only applies to commissioned officers.

That's it for my legal lesson today. Cya next class.

Rock-you are a loon.

Darth, not entirely true.
" 'Every now and then we've got to look at our young people and understand why they said what they said, and then do something about it,' said Gen. John Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command.

He said it was up to the soldiers' direct commanders to decide if they should be punished.

'None of us that wear this uniform are free to say anything disparaging about the secretary of defense, or the president of the United States,' he added.

From my experience, I remember it being this way as well, since many of us were not too happy about Bill Clinton (who used to be a President) coming in...luckily I was on my way out at the time.

I don't know a darn thing about sailing. I just remembered seeing that, and figured I'd toss it in here to see what happened. If the brass monkey existed, it did. If it didn't, it didn't.

Other Scott, just because a General says something, doesn't make it so. Most of those in command know little about the legal system covered under the UCMJ. I have advised many on what they can and can't do, and they have legal staffs to guidet them. For enlisted personnel, they cannot be insubordinate to their leadership, but because they are not commissioned by the President, they maintain a freedom to disagree. In order for a commander to take legal action against an enlisted member, they must show that there comments violated an article of the UCMJ. Insubordination or disrespect to a direct superior is one way, but saying the leadership is not doing their job is not punihsable under the UCMJ. If you hear of an enlisted member being punished, please let me know and I will defend him/her.