First and genious commentary to boot. AAAAWOOOO!

President Truman don't take no crap from any jew and if you're way out of line, he'll drop The Bomb on you.

I am nopt an anti-semite, but old Harry might have a point. The Jesw (who had suffered tremendously) should have been treated the same way as the eastern Europeans that Hitler had tried to wipe out. Equal treatment for all victims.

run with it rummy!

This is way too easy.

Wait a minute, I thought being an anti-semite was OK and that we were supposed to be pro-arab. Even that confuses me because we know from the Indiana Jones movies that the Arabs helped the Nazi's steal all kinds of really important things. I am sure we are supposed to be anti-Nazi. I sure hope the really smart people get this straightened out. I hear that Bill is going to run as VP and the token Pres. will resign. Whoop-de-do life would be good again!!!

How dare an American President show actual human failings in a private journal!
I am outraged that the President would even think of concealing his own thoughts from the American people! What happened to the Right to Know?

I didn't know jew-hate was a human failing, rand.

rummy
i must be an utter failure!

NO, BIZ ! I will NOT hear that !
I love seeing your little posts. You're NOT a failure.
When I ses your name I know all is right with the world.
Tell me again how those evil Palestinians have never had a state and never will have one.
They won't will they ? Tell me they won't !
I love it when you tell me the Palestinians will never have a state, soooo soooothing, so reassuring !
aahhhhhhh !

The palestinians will have their own state when I'm done counting.

You missed the point.
Prejudices are human failings. All of us have them. They are learned at an early age from those around us.
I just think it is funny that all this is causing such a furor.
And it is typically American that we put public figures on a pedestal, scrutinize them for any blemishes, and then savage them when we realize that they are only human.

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!! they have never had a state and will never have a state!!!!! not so long we back those [] jews.......

wonder how long before this post is removed (no jew bashing seems to be allowed in here boys and girls)

hmm, OK rand, I'll have to think about that.
its just as well he didn't criticise Israeli terrorists thats all I can say otherwise I'd have had no mercy for him !

Could someone finally set me straight here? Which was worse from a metaphysical perspective...slavery or the holocaust?

It gets really interesting when you consider that the Jews were previously enslaved for 400 years...by Egypt (that country of white, Christian males who live to oppress people of color...doh - wait a minute...nevermind).

I am sorry...I howled with laughter. It is so clear to me that since he campaigned for the state of Israel, what's a little kavetch about needing preferential treatment? He's not anti semitic, he is just frustrated!

Could it just be that he was bewailing the special interest group that the Jews had become?
My mom told me about the ship a long time ago,
and that Truman was against it docking while the British had the mandate for Palestine.

She said there was quite a flap about it in the press.

Isn't there a book by that name? About the same thing? Wasn't it also fiction? At least the name of the ship?

Truman was nothing but a pinko commie [] anyway.

I believe the book in question is called ""ship of fools"" and not only wasnt it allowed to dock in Palestine but every harbor it landed in turned them away untill they were sent back to Deutchland

Dear Go Lance Go,

Metaphysically speaking slavery and the holcaust are equally bad and equally false. Both are an invention of Big Zion used to keep our minds off of the plight of the Palestinians.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/11/truman.diary.ap/index.html
this is a great window into the last""commoner"" in the white house.

Cricket wrote:

"It is so clear to me that since he campaigned for the state of Israel, what's a little kavetch about needing preferential treatment? He's not anti semitic, he is just frustrated!"

I've noticed this defense already being used for Truman. He was for the creation of Israel so he could not have been anti-semitic. Surely there were those, especially in Europe, who wanted Israel created so the Jews would go there and not come to or stay in their country. It is not necessarily true that if you were for a Jewish homeland you were not anti-semitic.

Many, but not all, of those that wanted to establish Liberia as a home to freed slaves did so because they did not want them living in the U.S., not because they loved them so much. They wanted to send them thousands of miles away to a place their ancestors had lived hundreds of years before. You couldn't say, "He was for the establishment of Liberia, he could not be racist."

Comical Rummy -

your thoughts on the post below?

USS Liberty Bombing: An Accident
New documents released by the US National Security Agency prove beyond all doubt that Israelís bombing of the USS Liberty during the 1967 Six Day Waróa linchpin of antisemitic conspiracy delusions for decadesówas purely a case of mistaken identity.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=315949&contrassID;=2&subContrassID;=1&sbSubContrassID;=0&listSrc;=Y

LAST? Ha Ha!

Back then, everyone talked like that. Truman once said about the KKK that he suspected a Jew started it, because only a Jew would take a 50 cent bedsheet, cut two eyeholes in it and sell it for 5 dollars.

Of course the Palestinians will have their own State. It already exists, it's called HADES. If they will hurry up and blow the rest of themselves up, they can all be there.

People, let's lay off Truman, he has been very busy since his death, personally apoligizing to the millions he killed in Japan.

I find that interesting in regard to the kavetch.
We don't want them here so we will give them a home elsewhere, and that doesn't mean we are anti semitic.

Isn't that what the Arabs are doing with Arafat?
We don't want the Palestinians in OUR country, so we will stir up strife and terror to keep them focused on wanting Palestine instead of a life here.

And, as I recall, she did tell me the ship docked in Haifa, I think it was.

Now I am going back on my fence...I have to sit this one out again.

Tom,
thanks for the link, I don't beleive the USS Liberty was an accident but I don't know for sure.
I believe LBJ and most of his admin believed it deliberate.
Cristol is clearly very much pro-Israel as evidenced by his amazing claim that anyone who thinks the attack deliberate is "anti-Israel" and even "against Jews".
The crux seems to be that Israeli pilots were recorded referrig to the ship as Egyptian. I guess if you were going to bomb a US vessel flying a big US flag you weren;t going to advertise the fact on publically available airwaves - partic if it was an intel vessel you were bombing.
Of course there is subterfuge: for that matter the US supplies planes to Israel during that war, as I've heard US officers describe, but they were painted in Israeli colors so the US would appear uninvolved.

ongoing Israeli defiance of roap map

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030615/80/e2c70.html

"JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Jewish settlers have quietly set up five new outposts in the West Bank since Israel began dismantling such sites last week under a U.S.-backed "road map" to peace, an Israeli monitoring group says.

The planting of more caravans and tents on lonely hilltops has been overshadowed by the deaths of more than 50 people in a week of Israeli-Palestinian violence that has battered the peace plan affirmed at a June 4 summit in Aqaba, Jordan.

"(Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon wasn't serious when he said at the Aqaba summit that he would dismantle outposts," said Yariv Oppenheimer of Israel's Peace Now group, which opposes settlements on land seized in the 1967 Middle East war."

Comical Rummy -- you are a funny man. When you are dead, the world will be a better place.

I've always been disgusted and fascinated by the human inability to allow for shades of grey. It's not "political correctness" to shun those who "bash Jews" or any other group; it's human decency. It's only idiotic "political correctness" when you're supposed to put ethnic groups on pedestals by the sheer virtue of their minority.

biz, you cokehead rat ( ! ), why is it so hard for you to distinguish between the politically correct sentiment that "Palestinians" are an oppressed little minorityling who therefore deserve the aid and support of the white man everywhere -- and the very real need to respect Jews, or Arabs, or Palestinians, or gays, or whoever else, as human beings?

-JS

Dear Diary,

I must remind myself to dispose of you after my term in office.
If this ever got into the hands of the Republicans it could be harmful to my place in history.

January 01, 1953

Harry S. Truman

About the USS Liberty the Israelis said they were sorry. End of story. We forgave and forgot when Saddam Exoceted the USS Stark also because he said he was sorry. (Ain't it funny that the only circumstances where a simple apology really works is in International affairs and sand lot baseball?)
Trent Lott got the political shaft. Now he has a king sized case of the sour grapes. If Truman is excomunicated from the Presidency, then would Dewey become President Post humously?
Hey didn't Kennedy [ ] a bunch of starlets and such in the White House? Lets erace Him too! And US Grant was a drunken sot hardly becoming the stature of the office. Andrew Jackson broke the law by evicting the Cherokee after the Supreme Court told him it was a No-No (actually I would be pleased if ol' hickoy was expunged from the Presidency). Thomas Jefferson was a slave raper (think of the white out it would take to erace all the $20s). And even Gen. George Washington was a slave holder. Wouldn't it be more embarassing to have a Fatherless country then having a Father who was a slavemaster?
On second thought Trent Lott is an []. Good job black America, we're all better off without him!

Schlif,
you know I have NO idea what you're talkng about.
why have you put "political correctness" in quotes ? I never used the phrase or ever implied it was OK to hate Jews, Palestinians or anyone else.

papertiger,
"About the USS Liberty the Israelis said they were sorry. End of story."
hmm .. this doesn't seem to suggest one way or the other regarding whether it was deliberate or not. of course Israel would claim it was an accident and therefore of course they would say sorry.

so you also think there's similarity too between Pres Jackon and the Cherokee and the Israelis/Pals. Jackons broke the law stealing the Cherokee land and got away with it. Israel breaks international law and UN res 446 by their ongoing theft of the Pal land and gets away with it.

Papertiger,
Jefferson did not have sex with his slaves, nor did he have children by them. Washington owned slaves as well, but in your ignorance you did not read the wills of their estates.

Washington's wealth was well managed enough that he MANUMITTED his slaves on his death (manumitted is a BIIIIIIIG word that means 'gave them their freedom')and supported those slaves up to the third free generation.

Similarly with Jefferson.

Schlif, you are confusing me. One minute it is decent to shun those who bash jews, and the next a crime to put them on a pedestal.

No one here has implied that the Israelis or the Palestinians are not deserving of respect. That, is when they grow up and stop lobbing bombs, bullets, rocks, grenades and the like at each other.

schlif
i also have no idea what your talking about. and i only do coke with your mother so watch what you call her. i also don't feel the need to respect anyone simply due to the fact that they are a human being when their collective actions make me physucally ill.

*physically

Dont we have a genetic link between jefferson and his slave girl sally???lets call her sally ride for now??
Jeffersons on the 2.00 bill,Jackson on the 20.00
The attack on the uss liberty lasted hours not minutes and unless the egyptian flag looks like the stars and stripes then it was deliberate.
Hence,the israeli govt paying 1,000,000.00 to each of the 36 victims.
and correctly stated
saddam took out the uss stark and he issued a heartfelt apology,more heartfelt than the outright denial the israeli govt initially issued back in june of 67.
Reagan accepted Husseins apology and business between the 2 flourished in the aftermath.
This is how it was,weather we like or not

Mike G,
There is no DNA link. They had to use descendants of his brother to even establish a DNA base from Sally's descendants.
So, even that is inconclusive. I suggest you quit taking potshots at a great man simply because if that good gentleman were here, he would laugh in your face and ignore you from here on out.

Sorry Cricket
didnt mean to offend you by stating what are ""assumed"" facts.
If we were back 227 years and he was to rewrite the declaration do you think he would INSIST on freeing the slaves?
The fact that he did want to include it in the declaration and then DIDNT free his own slaves after the declaration tells me he didnt really believe in the equality of ALL men.
That being said I wasnt there.
HOWEVER
there was also a ton of pressure on him at the time because alot of southern reps were initially loyalists and they needed to be swayed to get the whole 13 colonies somewhat unified.

This was a problem.
Here we were screaming about freedom and tyranny and some of the guys doing the screaming were slave owners....Go figure.

I'm not sure what T.J. really believed. But I think most of us would agree that stealing is wrong. Yet many of us have found a wallet with money, and kept the money, or knowingly (perhaps with some of our own effort) received free cable (which is a huge, faceless corporation, so its OK), or left the check out lane knowing the clerk gave you too much change. We know it is wrong -- we choose to ignore that in certain situations.

Plus, T.J.'s choice, as others outline it, wasn't just not buy more slaves. He already had them, perhaps buying them before he discovered his love of equality.

Believing in equality, and giving up slave holdings you already have are not the same thing. I want to see the needy helped by good charities, but I only give so much money to charity. I like having a certain standard of living for myself, even though I could choose to share my money more than I do.

T.J. would have to free people, then hire people to do the same jobs. He would not be reimbursed for his freeing slaves, and would face future expense to get the same labor. He took the easy way out -- "tis too expensive to free them now, so I will do it when I'm dead" he may have thought. He was wrong to choose that route. He may have been a hypocrite. Or he may not have really believed everything he wrote. I don't know.

Nonetheless, I thank God he was there to help get this country started.

Thomas Jefferson was a great man and if more people did more inter-racial breeding there would be less ignorance and hate and much more sex. Its a good thing.

Truman integrated the armed forces and fought for the passage of anti-lynching laws. Thurmond expended all his efforts to block the passage of even the most modest civil rights legislation of that era.

Truman's comments were those of a bigot, but Thurmond's efforts to preserve the legacy of Jim Crow were the actions of a truely vile man (and this is coming from a registered Republican). Lott got what he deserved.

Nice try though, Scott.

Lott's comment was probably no more than "I'm going to say something nice about an old man on his birthday." Plus, it was Democrats generally (which included Thurmond at that time) that fought to preserve Jim Crow. That said, Lott has race issues for other reasons, and he was lousy as a senate leader. Republicans didn't need his baggage in that spot, and needed a better leader. Demoting him was the right decision, though I don't know that they got a better leader.