first

Remember the saying:
"Close doesn't count, except for horseshoes and hand grenades!"
Let me say, "Cooties, can be added to that list!"

Third.

How could anyone tell if french people had cooties?

How could you stand the stench?

Fourth.
Of course the French have cooties, but where are the WMD you american liars.

First to be Frenchman

Sensitive bunch of nits, aren't they? It is no wonder that they have the problems they have if they have time to read all the articles written about them. What a discouraging job to have!!

Never go into a restaurant where the chef has cooties.

Darth -

how can you be frenchman when part of your post contained truth?

how can it be a just war if there were no WMD in the first place? This has destabilised peace in the middle east, an effect which will have consequences longer than Dubya can stay in power.

Ahh you see, teh questions is in determining which part had the truth, that's how I can be frenchman.

(paraphrased from private eye with apologies)
that american anti-french menu in full
--------------------------------------------------
a glass of freedom red wine

a plate of freedom fries

a selection of freedom cheeses

and a freedom letter for post meal intercourse

WMD (What Mass Destruction?)

yaksun

We know that is a lie, everybody knows that the French in fact have nits!!!!

Frankster, you mean it was stable before? How could you tell?

The following is an excerpt from the Washington Post today

"France will "take an inventory of this untruthful information and provide all the elements which clearly show that all of this is based on nothing," de Villepin told France Inter. Like the ambassador's letter, the minister noted that the alleged false information "often" was based on "internal sources" in the Bush administration.

"Between friends, between allies, it is important to have a relationship based on frankness, hiding nothing, explaining oneself," de Villepin said. "On the other hand, lies and calumny must not be accepted."

"We must avoid ... being governed by rumor," he added"

Now the point is, if we were more like France, we would demand that they bring in the UN Office of Malicious Information Inspectors to inspect and find these weapons of untruthful information to determine where they are, whatb they are, and who controls them. And if proven, what will france do about it?? Ahh, we need a resolution for that as well.

The only lie is the one given by the administration for attacking Iraq. Pick your rationale:

WMD - Pentagon now says, "Uh, not so fast."

Links to Terrorists: Notwithstanding jp's weak reference (in another thread) to an uncontested finding in a US District court case which the judge himself questioned the adequacy of the "evidence", there is no proof of a link between Iraq and those who perpetrated 9/11.

Remaking Iraq in America's image. Wheras no one mourns the death of Saddam, Iraq is more likely to turn out looking like Iran than the USA in the long run.

Meanwhile, Kim Il Jong just withdrew from the treaty calling for the Korean peninsula to remain nuclear-free. But are we attacking him? Hell no. He might actually have WMD and use them to boot. The clock is ticking...

yaksun

France isn't governed by rumors, it's governed by socialist nitwits.

BTW Yaksun, Saddam already use WMD ON HIS OWN PEOPLE. Pay attention next time.

MJ Larkins Sr.

Sir, I am not interested in events that happened 12 years ago. I am talking about "evidence" of WMD cited by our government in 2002 and 2003 as the/a reason for attacking Iraq in 2003. For all anyone knows, and all the "proof" shown, Saddam used up all of his WMD in suppressing his own people in the early '90s - which would make him a toothless tiger.

Pay attention to CURRENT events, please.

yaksun

In an apparent violation of the UN cooties non-proliferation treaty, France will be sanctioned for transmitting the malady to Germany and Belgium. A WHO official, who wishes to remain cootie-less, said the travel ban for France will be lifted only if someone picks their nits.

Ok so why don't any of you respond to the precise objections raised by the French? For example, did French officials issue passports to Baath leaders, as alleged, or not? I don't know if these allegations are true but the French claims that they are not should be examined on their merit. Criticize the French if you want but do it on factual grounds. And if the story turns out not to be true, admit that as well. Or are you saying that untrue reports in the media is something you can tolerate?

Ducksoup:

The same people who were willing to unquestioningly swallow the Administration's bs about the reasons for invading Iraq, and there are plenty of them- believe me,are more than willing to accept at face value unproven assertions regarding alleged perfidity of France. After all, France stood firm in the face of Bush's temper tantrums about having his little "constabulary action" against a third-rank military power which was a threat only to Israel, if anyone at all.

Meanwhile, many of those same "gung ho" individuals blanch at the prospect of picking a fight with a military which can might actually fight back.

yaksun

and who would that military be??

I don't think there is anyone in this or past administrations, democrat or republicn, that are afraid of the North koreans. What they are afaraid of is bring China into a conflict with the rest of the world, and unless we get China on board to believe North Koreas possession of nukes threatens them as well as us, then we would be stupid to fight thr North koreans. The problem of liberal like you Yaksun is you talk a big game but are the last one to actually walk the walk. If a burglar,female, 5'0", 80 pounds, no weapon or obvious signs of being able to defend herself tries to rob you you would beat her butt, but you're argument is that if we beat her butt, then we should be expected to do the same thing if a woman, witha weapon, and backed up by 5 big guys with weapons of their own attempts to rob us. You would give your wallet up and big for mercy. We would try and avoid that part of the neighborhood in the first place. Just in case you missed the analogy, Iraq is the unarmed woman and North Korea is the woman with the weapon and the five big guys to help her. We are the police and while we can arrest the unarmed woman with little help, we need backup to either get the 5 guys on our side or convince them it would not be in their interest to stop us from arresting the armed woman.

DIPLOMATIC CRISIS DEEPENS

In response to accusations from French Ambassador Jean-David Levitte that the White House is engaged in a campaign to spread anti-French disinformation White House press secretary Ari Fleischer stated "The president denies that anyone in his administration has claimed the French have cooties, and we further deny that we said their mothers wear combat boots. Frankly, the president has more important things to deal with and wishes France would should stop acting like a baby".

Asked to respond to Fleischer's comments, French President Chirac responded by jumping up and down screaming "I'm not a baby, I'm not a baby ... you're a baby".

Later French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin threatened that France will hold it's breath until it turns blue unless President Bush apologizes for calling them a baby.

I just wish Donnie was actually SecState, as you have him.

***Frodo---you are SOOO franken...uhm...freakin' funny!...laughter is a wonderful thing and you have stirred it up more than a few times!

****Darth! Sic em!! (:~})

Darth:

Again, let me remind you that the issue is not what I would personally do or not do. Try to stay on task, okay. I can just imagine your poor teachers. Also, You do not know me personally, so don't try to presume to guess how I would act in a given situation. Macho posturing is so "over".

You would "avoid the neighborhood"? Sir, the neighborhood (NK) is building nukes and long range missiles. What are you and yours going to do when it appears that the neighborhood is choosing not to avoid you? Talk them to death? Sue them?

In fact, your words only support my argument. The "gung -ho" faction was sooooo eager to fight Saddam, and momentarily aghast that for a moment anyway, it might not be the "cakewalk" promised by Richard Perle. In fact, they are the ones who PICKED the fight with your 5'0" 80 pound little girl. Very brave. Israel is much safer. The North Korean army is a bit tougher, and they apparently have REAL WMD (not imaginary ones). And, you are right, they might also have the assistance of the Chinese. So, apparently, in this Administration, pre-emptive force is only for using against little girls. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

BTW, I thought us liberals were knee-jerk anti-war. If I support a war against N. Korea, how can I fit that definition of liberal?

yaksun

My personal favorite at the moment is the people who, in the same breath, claim that we have found no evidence of WMDs in Iraq AND condemn us for allowing civilians to loot a nuclear storage facility...

It's not that I can't believe they can do that with a straight face (they can lie about anything), I just have a hard time believing they are that STUPID.

Macho posturing is so over

The lack of which is what caused the Islamofascists to do the deeds they've done over the last 20 years. Started with Iran in 1979. Macho posturing is the only language these macho posturers understand.

The neighborhood (NK) is building nukes and long range missiles. What are you and yours going to do when it appears that the neighborhood is choosing not to avoid you? Talk them to death? Sue them?

Are you saying we should use force agains the NK? I agree. When the time comes. Kim is just "macho posturing". It is sooo over. Why should we respond now?

Just to give you some background: Iraq was the example. Kim saw what happened. He'll act accordingly.

It's also right smack dab in the middle of the middle east. It is strategic. It is necessary because the rest of the ME is just as dangerous as Iraq. We now have a base from which to move.

Yaksun, ok you got me. Liberal you are not, but Anti-Bush you defintely are, which unfortunately taints your objectivity.

Talk about staying on task, my reference to you was generic. if you can't understand the analogy I'm sorry, maybe I should have tried something with sheep.

My last sentence should have clarified the point I was making about the US. to remind you it was "We are the police and while we can arrest the unarmed woman with little help, we need backup to either get the 5 guys on our side or convince them it would not be in their interest to stop us from arresting the armed woman."

I don't go to bad neighborhoods witha twenty sticking out of my pocket. Thats what I meant by avoiding the neighborhood. I don't expect that you run into areas that are know to you as undersirable either. But the police have to go their, to keep those people contained from coming to our neighborhoods, hence the what if they won't avoid you question. When they do come into my neighborhood than I will fight.

I beleive we have to do something strong against north Korea, but to compare that situation to Iraq just because they have WMD is illogical. It is a different dynamic because of their Chinese support. If Iraq would have had Iranian, Saudi, Syrian, Yemenese, and Lybian support, or just had russian support (that they had before 1991) a whole different apporach would have been taken (no backup versus backup part of the analogy). We need to get the Chinese out of the equation before we launch an attack against the North koreans, so we don't end up back in 1951-55.

Israel is more like the store security guard, no real threat to us but little help either. He has a weapon, irritates the neighborhood with it, but isn't causing any real harm except to the people who come on his property.

Hmmmm.... perhaps the french sold the iraqi's nuclear cooties. Cooties, being small, would be hard to detect by our feerless forces...

In any event, the war is justified. Keep in mind that those killed in this effort were largely part of the working class, and we have too many of those anyway. Get rid of more of them, and no one would complain about the price of gas (who IS getting rich off that, anyway...?)

Yaksun, You don't want a war in Korea, you just can't stand it that PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH kicked butt on an evil dictator. No one is crying because Saddam and his buddies are gone. And I could give a RATS [] if we find a bottle of sleeping pills in that country. Ten years from now Iraq will one of the LEADING DEMOCRATIC countries in the Middle East and they will have the U.S./UK/Poland/Italy/Austrailia to thank. And furhermore, if the UN/EU/EIEIO doesn't like it, they can KISS MY RED/WHITE/BLUE AMERICAN []. Note to all other [] of ther world: DON'T MESS WITH THE U.S.! We have many toys and we ARE NOT afraid to use them!

I have just discovered part of the problem with my spelling, For some reason when I misspell a word with two different spellings -their, there - I get some autocorrect feature that changes it. I also have a tiny little dell keyboard compared to the one at home and my fingers are too fat. Sorry about all those misspellings.

Cyber Sarge: President Boosh kicked a**? President Boosh? Hmm. I don't recall him schelpping a ruck & a 16 into the desert. I think what he did was, from the comfort of his desk, order the deaths of lotsa folks, some we like, some we don't, so that the price of oil will be stable (at the wholesale level, anyway). And I really don't think he cared about the french cooties. Not enough anyway. That IS the real issue, isn't it?

Cyber Sarge expect a tongue lashing from Scott when he cleans up your language. of course I can think a few others I wouldn't mind a tongue lashing from, but thats for another day.

yaksun:
Just a few points to add to Darth's:
An attack on NK would result in the deaths of millions of SK's, in addition to the demolition of a thriving economy. When a terrorist has a group of hostages, and you know he has no compunctions about killing one or all of them, the police do not rush in and start shooting. They talk, and talk, getting the terrorist tiredd and confused (hopefully)while the snipers wait to get a clear shot at the terrorist. Once that happens, they take the shot, and hopefully end the situation.

Frodo-Thanks for the laffs.

Yaksun,
What is your solution to global terrorism? Where do we start and who all do we go after?

what are cooties?

Sorry for launguage, I was on a RANT/ROLL.

slack jawed halfwit ( and anyone else asking the same question about cooties)

Click on my name...there's your answer...:~}

Yaksun is only saying he wants us to attack North Korea, because we obviously cannot at the present time, as a way of saying we shouldn't have attacked Iraq. I wouldn't rule his being a liberal out just yet. They seem to know so little about history and care even less.

dear lynch family cat,
thanks very much. now who can i have give them to?

Cyber Sarge, I'm not offended as those would be exactly the words I would use. i am amazed though that they haven't been edited yet. I say something even close to a bad word and I get it right away.

NOTE TO EDITOR: Not that thats a bad thing. :)

You guys have to check out this picture of the American flag. It is pretty cool.
http://www.bluecollargospel.com/arizona_flag.htm
My boss told me about it and I thought you all would like it.

It doesn't surprise me.

The French surrendered to "cooties".

History repeating itself or is it in the Frecnh blood. Read this articel, its very enlighting and I haven't see any of us mention this before.

http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller051603.asp

****slack-jawed****

Given the various "strains" of cooties...(purple, yellow, green, etc.) I'd say Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition would be a good place to start sharing the cooties!.....then because of the racially diverse cooties you obviously saw....go visit the U. N....

Frenchie, Max, Ducksoup would probably appreciate the yellow ones.

As you're on your cootie spreading mission... you could just think of it as "sharing the luuuuv". Don't forget to cross your fingers though so you won't get them back.

I'm glad I do brewers yeast and garlic to repel cooties... cuz I have a heck of a time trying to cross the digits on my paws.

Cybersareges retarted comments justify people like frenchies position.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay we went into the sandbox and kicked the crap out of the 4 year old,twice in 12 years.
Big deal,me and 99% of the rest of the world arent impressed.
Although the trailor park circuit,defense contractors and oil men are happy,the rest of the world sees us for what this administration has made us.Bullies.

Dont give me the bs about resolution 1441,if we were doing the united nations work Israel wouldve been out of the west bank and Jerusalem 35years ago and Africa wouldnt have been burning for the last 10 years either!

Guys, don't take Yaksun seriously! I know him well, and he is a liberal imbecile. The only reason he would "support" an attack of NK is in the hope something will go wrong - like a lot of damage to South Korea, or the Chinese getting into the mix, etc.

If we do kick NK butt, Yaksun will find something to complain about Bush and the Righties.

Yaksun, go have some fun in your life!

Darth: Much better. I have no strong disagreement with your words, How to get the Chinese out of the way? I suggest we use Bush's tactic of publicly smoking them out: "Either yer with US or yer agin US on this North Korea thang"? Perhaps we could humiliate them in the UN?

Phil W.: I realize these things Phil. I also realize that every day that goes by gives NK time to build another bomb or develop a Taepo Dong. Further, I realize that Kim (Ill) Jong cannot be trusted to honor any treaty committments (like Hitler before him). I also realize that, unless he is regime-changed, Kim will want US and others to support his starving millions while he rapes his own country. Isn't that kow-towing to blackmail or threats? Is it too much to expect the Administration to make its actions match its words? Are you willing to simply say regarding North Korea: "Well, the horse is out of the barn"?

Justin: Well, I believe I have been fairly consistent in stating that North Korea was, is, and will remain, a real threat to the security of the US - compared to the concocted threat of Iraq. However, I do feel really good that the boys removed Bush Sr's face from the floor of the Al Rashid Hotel. That makes me feel much safer. Oh, BTW, did you hear Bin Laden might be behind those bombings in Saudi Arabia? WHat's up with that guy, huh? There's no pleasing him. In fact, there's no finding him, or Saddam either aparently. Perhaps instead of propping up Halliburton's bottom line in Iraq, we could spend some of those Pentagon dollars finding al Quaeda? Oh, wait, that money's already committed. Well then, let's spend some of that budget surplus in the war against terrorism. Oh wait. There is no surplus. In fact, we're giving back money to buy votes. Some stores slash prices. This President slashes revenues. Makes sense to me.

yaksun

#1 My ancestors got out of France & headed for Canada in the 1800s & thence to the USA, long before the current cootie infestation.
#2 Does yaksun believe that the war against Hussein & the Baathists was unjustified? Why? Re: WMD, the most interesting suggestion I've heard lately is that there were no real WMD, but a vast deception to convince Saddam that there was an ongoing program, somewhat similiar to the Fueherbunker tales woven by German generals as the noose tightened. In any case, it seems to me that the evidence we've already got - atropine injectors, chem warfare suits, the biolab trailer, and other equipment is plenty of evidence to convince someone who has not already decided to reject all circumstantial evidence - that there was a WMD effort ongoing.
#3 Even if there were no actual WMD, Bush's rationale was always focused on the potential threat posed by Iraq - a threat which was getting worse and worse as sanctions were increasingly loosened and cynically violated by the French, Germans and others who make arguments similar to yaksuns.
#4 Money walks, [ ] talks. Yaksun (like the French, Germans, et al) is a very tough talkin fella when nothing's going on. Let's push a little on the NK nutcases and see how his bowels loosen.
#5 As well stated by Darth Chef - we can't fight every battle, every time. We have to pick our fights carefully. The current situation in the Middle East shows that this war was well-chosen -the collateral effects have already been most salutatory. From Lebanon to Saudi Arabia, there is a new flexibility and we can expect this only to increase.
#6 Do you really think the liberation of Iraq was a bad idea? or wrong? How is it possible to view the Iraqi situation without joy for the Iraqis and pride in our country?

**** re: Darth's article reference:

....That's my Governor!...His decision only bolsters a "keep Colorado Beautiful" campaign.*jab at Frenchies*

**** oh golly gee.....another Repubican that's got principles....can't be bought....or how you scrapple facers say?...got "cajones"??

Dave, you really don't get do you? We kicked [] on the Iraqis because they were a Bad regime and the PEOPLE did not support it. I doubt that the people who had to fight their way into Baghdad would agree about how 'easy' it is. The reason it looks easy is because WE EXCELL at ground warfare, especially when it come to combined Arms. Once the Army was cut of from the leadership, they had no way to cooordinate a counter-attack or with other units. Sorry if we didn't make seem more 'fair' but NOBODY in the Military wants to fight a 'fair' fight. Hey heres a thought, next time we fight somebody you go join up on their side? I am sure that under your leadership they would surely fight better.

Im almost afraid to post fearing that Frenchie will post either in front of me or behind me and I will get the cooties...

Lest we forget- how long did it take for teh US to build up it's forces before attacking??

Plenty of time to ship those naughty little WMD to neighboring countries or nasty organizations...

Yaksun- not against taking out NK, but just because situations appear similar- too many other issues that have been intelligently highlighted!!

"kill 'em all and let God sort 'em" ended with the demise of the Soviet Union- I thought!

Bloggered......fear not...the cooties have been quarantined!

See for yourself.
http://www.funsilly.com/cootie.shtml

Cybersarge: "We have toys and aren't afraid to use them." Most of your peers here seem to suggest otherwise, my friend. China has them too.

Pro Cynic: We cannot attack North Korea at this tiime. Why not? Rumsfeld promised me we could even fight a 2 front war (you know, like Europe/Pacific in WWII, from history).

JAGCAP: "The collateral effects have been most salutatory." Indeed. That neighborhood in Saudi Arabia which was bombed needed renovation anyway. And it was worth getting a few guys killed to change the decor at the Al Rasheed. And so what if there were really, honestly, truly, no WMD currently in Iraq. A little "constabulary action" is good for the economy. It boosts weapons sales immensely, and the clean-up costs... Why, Halliburton's soon to be tax free dividends will go sky high. And we don't really need to find Saddam, or Osama, to declare victory in the war on terrorism (or whatever you want to call it).

Actually Cybersarge, in ten years, Iraq will likely resemble Iran more than any other place. And the resources your tax dollars are paying for to occupy that "grateful" country could have been spent moving on to kill real terrorists.

hrdldri: Every time I hear about the "demise" of the USSR, I recall the image of Yeltsin and all those tanks in the Kremlin trying to decide which side they were on in 94 or whenever.

yaksun

JAGCAP (let me guess Civial Air Patrol attorney?)

Here's is an article you refer to about the WMD fraud

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lacey051503.asp

Dear Darth:
Civil Air Patrol was a high school deal.
It "should" be CPT (rank at separation) but I like the look of CAP better.

JAGCAp what branch?

As you see from previous blogs, there are a couple of lawyers here.

Hey - how come CyberSarge gets to say bad words and I get censored for euphenisms and mere bad taste? I demand a Congressional Inquiry into this entire sordid affair! I think my uncivil rights have been violated...

- The Uncivil Synonym

"Destabilized peace????"

Spoken like a true Vichy .....

"Why are you Americans invading France???? You will destabilize peace here in Vichy France!!!!! Now, go away."

Yaksun:
#1 Go to the Yellow Pages, look under "Psychotherapy"
#2 Dial the number under the slogan: "Electroconvulsive is Electr-OK!"
#3 Tell the person who answers the telephone that there is no such thing as a full or partially full glass, only glasses in various stages of depletion, decay and decrepitude and that you have thought so now every day for the past several weeks.
#4 Give that person your address.
#5 When the nice men and women in white coats arrive, welcome them.
#6 When they ask you to sign the waiver for ECT, do so.
#7 When you awake, write an essay on your insights into the alleviation of suffering through non-obvious means.

Army, through ROTC (scholarship - thank you American taxpayers!) at Notre Dame.

JAGCAP:

Thanks, my man. You're so thoughtful. Maybe if I had Bush tell them I have WMD (What Mass Destruction) in my head, we could get the gullible taxpayers here to pay for my "treatment".

;-)

yaksun

Darth,
those articles were very interesting and makes one think.

Yaksun,
You sound like a pessimist. It is all what ifs right now. With some work and a whole lot of luck, a democracy will emerge out of the ashes.

Yaksun:

I still can't figure out why you're in such a big hurry to take on N. Korea. Are YOU willing to go over there and fight? We had little support for Iraq, even 12 years after the breach of the initial cease fire agreement, countless UN resolutions, and widespread acknowledgement that Saddam was not complying with the inspectors. We encountered not only lack of support, but outright resistance from many nations we had considered to be allies.

Asia is filled with countries who are NOT friendly to us, China being the prime example. If we couldn't even get Europe to support us with Iraq, what response do you expect from Asia if we go in?

History has shown that smaller or weaker nations combine to oppose a larger, more powerful nation. Going gung-ho into N. Korea would confirm our enemies' worst fears about us and would very likely push them into alliances that are not in our interest. And what do we gain?

If you are correct, and N. Korea is a formidable enemy, we lose thousands of American lives. Look at the last time we went into Korea - it wasn't pretty. If you are wrong (the cakewalk scenario), we look like a big bully and may push neighboring countries into attacking us in self-defense.

JAGCAP - 'Army, through ROTC'

Small world, me too ... though no scholarship.

:-(

Dear Yaksun
Depending on your jurisdiction and income/asset situation, the American taxpayers, who are more generous (tho sometimes to a fault) and foresighted than "gullible," would fund your treatment through Medicaid. No need to get the big man involved in such a minor problem.

BTW, if you don't qualify for MA, but still want the treatment for free:
#1 Put on some dirty clothing and wear one running shoe along with one biking shoe (if both same foot - so much the better!), lock your wallet in your home/apartment. Bury the key under the big rock by the front door. Or other suitable location.
#2 Present yourself at the nearest general hospital emergency department.
#3 Tell them that your name is only "yaksun" nothing else.
Carry on per #3-7, above.
Cheers!

Frodo - how much AD?

4 years mostly in Germany before the wall came down ... still active in the reserves. You?

Justin: You are right. I am pessimistic about this entire Iraq venture. Remember, freeing the Iraqis and making their lives better was only the last and latest reason given by the Administration for invading that country. Many people bought into it because, well, like, who wants to be cast in the role of supporting Saddam Hussein, ya' know?

Also, if a majority of Iraqis, (Shiites) want to make their country a theist, mullah-ruled nation, isn't that democracy? Is it up to US to dictate otherwise? (Of course, allowing Iraq to become another Iran kinda defeats the whole free-Iraq logic in a way.) So, in order to prevent this, US troops will be required to occupy in Iraq in perpetuity in order to guarantee that the locals choose the "right" kind of government. But doesn't this fly in the face of earlier Government pronouncements that Iraq should be run by Iraqis? And didn't we say we had no long-term designs on maintaining a military presence there?

Provide your own answers here: ______________.

yaksun

Cybersarge
There are maybe 100regimes in the world that fall into the ""oppresive"" category.

Interestingly enough this one we beat in 100 hours 12 years ago,had them under a microscope since and now tell the world they have weapons of mass destruction..

No kidding,they used them when they were our friends against there own people and no one in the Reagan administration lifted a finger.

This military achievement equels that of the great invasion of Grenada in 1983 and Bill Clintons invasion of Haiti.

Meanwhile the North Koreans are threatining Los Angeles with nukes that are real.

If the usa wants to be the worlds policeman then thats fine,I for one would prefer a bit more consistant behavior if thats the role we are taking on.

I owed 4, but they offered a job at the Pentagon if I'd extend so I wound up with 5 1/2. In private practice I can't afford to be called up so I volunteer giving classes and writing estate plans at the local Reserve Center 2-3 times/year and on-call. Was pretty busy after 9-11 with the 1st call-ups, but it's settled down again.
Really bites my [ ] not to do the Reserve thing, tho.

Dave, You don't want consistency, you want EVERYTHING. You remind me of my ofur kids, if I get one of them something I have to get four. Nevermind that all four don't need the same thing all the time. North Korea MAY have a missile capable of hitting L.A or S.F (I would not miss either) but so what? Are they on the brink of shooting one off? I doubt it. Dear Leader (like all Dictators) saw an oppurtunity to get something for nothing. All they really wanted is more food and oil. Their armed forces remained on the SAME alert status the whole time this 'crisis' was unfolding. At no time did North Korean Army, Air Force, or Navy make any provocative moves towards us or the south. What does that tell you? Kind of sounds made-up doesn't it? You want the President to solve ALL the worlds problems or none of them. How about he tackles them one at a time?

The Iraqi War of Liberation had many rationales, as do all great human undertakings. For example, our own Civil War ("War Btwn the States" "War of Northern Aggression" whatever) was ostensibly to preserve the Union. Lincoln said so and everyone believed him. Yet by the end, it was obvious that it was a war against slavery.
Folks like Dave and Yaksun will probably never understand the relationship of means to ends or the art of the possible and so will forever pine away in their imaginery worlds where only King Arthur (vouchsafed simon pure by an aquatic tart, er Lady of the Lake) can storm the castle and will always do so to complete victory. Guys like these would likely condemn our involvement in WWII and characterize Hitler and Tojo as victims of Roosevelt's manipulation if they knew the history of "Neutrality Patrols" in the Carribean and Atlantic, or the oil and steel embargo or our other prewar maneuvers.
The real world is serious business and you guys are un-serious.

I hear you about the reserves ... it can be tough to balance (my boss just cornered me today about all the time I have to take off this year). My former AD XO said almost the exact thing you just did ... he tried the reserves but couldn't balance it with his regular job.

Dear Cyber Sarge
Quite right. Interesting parallels between Dear Leader's current behavior and that of Kruschev upon realizing the Soviet Union's weakness relative to the West. Krushev precipitated a series of crises over Berlin, nuclear weapons, Cuba, on and on, all of which came to nothing when his demands were not met. I think we're seeing more of the same here.

Also, the biggest problem with taking over NK (aside from China's probable discomfort) is that we'd then have responsibility for millions of the most physically and mentally abused people the world has ever known. We've already freed the inmates of one asylum, let's make a good job of this one before we take on another.

Jag and Sarge
You guys are in space,spending far too much time flag waving.

Just exactly what did Iraq do that Israel didnt,other than get completley wiped out 12years before hand?

Jag as far as hitler goes,you got a lot of balls going there with me,how many of your tribe got cooked in Treblinka?

Hi Cassandra!!!! Welcome back. Nice flight? (Self-esteem).

Ah, ma'am, you are trying to pull a Darth tactic (no offense intended to either of you) and divert the discussion into personal matters. In this I have vowed to no longer participate. Besides, 90% of the bloggers on this site, in supporting Mr. Bush's actions in Iraq, say it didn't matter that he managed to guard the skies over Texas while lesser cannon fodder were sacrificed in Vietnam. Therefore, one's willingness to fight personally is irrelevant to the issue of being willing to send other people's kids and spouses off to die. I mean, one can't have it both ways, right?

ANyway, on the merits or not of fighting North Korea, Darth already illustrated my point above. Where it comes to pre-emptive war, this Administration is willing to pick a fight with a 5'0" 80 pound girl, if she's alone. But if she's with her posse, who may be or are packing heat, we-hell, that's another matter. I can almost picture Rumsfeld, fresh from safe seclusion of his personal shelter, hopping a ride to both blocks that remain of downtown Seoul to reprise his "Victory Tour" through Iraq - smiling corpses propped up all around to adore him.

And what do you mean no international support? That's still a UN sanctioned, real live declared war over there!

JAGCAP: Since you don't know me, you don't know what you are talking about when you assert anything about what I know or don't know. What is it about people of your ilk who cannot accept that others disagree with their opinion without having to resort to insults and such? I may think you are an a willing dupe of an inept bullying regime, but did I suggest you should seek psychotherapy? Heck no. I think you should be Bush's next running mate. :-)

yaksun

Dave, If you can't see the differnce between Iraq and Israel, there is no point in debating it with you. I do suggest you follow the advise of JAGCAP:

#1 Go to the Yellow Pages, look under "Psychotherapy"
#2 Dial the number under the slogan: "Electroconvulsive is Electr-OK!"
#3 Tell the person who answers the telephone that there is no such thing as a full or partially full glass, only glasses in various stages of depletion, decay and decrepitude and that you have thought so now every day for the past several weeks.
#4 Give that person your address.
#5 When the nice men and women in white coats arrive, welcome them.
#6 When they ask you to sign the waiver for ECT, do so.
#7 When you awake, write an essay on your insights into the alleviation of suffering through non-obvious means.

CLLAAAASSSSS!! C L L A A A S S S!!!

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

YAKMOON----you go sit between Yaksun and Floogle and keep an eye on Dave Goodstein. Now back to your desks on the right of the room.

FRODO-----quit taking hits off of the helium tank..

DARTH CHEF & CYBERSARGE---SIT DOWN and use your INSIDE voice!!

CYERSARGE----watch your tongue or I'll send FRENCHMAN down to the boys room with you to wash your mouth out with soap! ( play along SARGE---we want FRENCHMAN to use soap.)

and you FRENCHMAN---put down the chalk and erase the chalkboard...the alphabet AND english language has more than 3 leters!.

MAX----STOP reading the New York Times upside down!

JUSTIN, CASSANDRA, JAGCAP---make your way to the front of the class. You'll find some Oreos on our desks. CASSANDRA--please refrain from using "french" or FRENCHMANS GIRL will accompany you to the girls room for a mouth washing. (like with CYBERSARGE, play along CASSANDRA)

LilKimIl!....LilKilIl???...He's outside?? *yelling out the window*...LIL KIM....you are NOT the dog catcher now let them go and get back in class!!

LYNCH FAMILY CAT---please find the mouse that Lil Kim Il tried to catch earlier. No need to fear Lil Kim---its mind over matter.

DUCKSOUP---go to the cafeteria and tell the cooks its obvious they LEFT out the RIGHT ingredients.

GALA---50 words or less.... and get back in your RIGHTful place this way>>>>>>.

Principal Ott will be visiting our class soon so anyone with cheetos in your lunch bag please line up single file and bring them forward and put them one my desk now.

thank you.

Yes Maam!

Helium tank? No one told me there was a helium tank available ... can we use it and make sound effects for our posts?

So sarge you cant answer that can you.
Im a Jew
Israel runs an arpartheid state,Israel is the only country since ww2 that gained territory thru invasion.

Israel shot up the uss liberty in 1967 killing 40sailors,AMERICAN SAILORS.
Jonathan Pollard was arrested for spying for Israel against us 10short years ago.

Israel is directly responsible for the displacement of around 2million refugees who are on their 55th year of refugee status.
Israel and South Africa exploded a nuke in the Indian Ocean 15years ago and NO ONE SAID A WORD.

Israel has a mass murderer who was censored by his own government for being ""indirectly responsible"" for the murder of 2000 palestinian refugees as its president and is currently under indictment for war crimes in Belgium.
Israel is in its 3rd year of its newest pogrom against palestinians in the west bank,have you been keeping score??

ISRAEL HAS RECIEVED OVER 1TRILLION DOLLARS IN AMERICAN AID.
are they as bad as Iraq???
no of course not but what would you call a nation that did the above???
democratic,progressive,kind and gentle???
ya right.

Dear Dave & Yak
Fellas, gals, whatever you are:
Of course I don't know you personally, all I know is what I read and what I deduce your positions are from your words. So,
Dave, your personal history is, no doubt, interesting and even compelling to you and your loved ones, but cannot be used to silence me or anyone else. Victimhood is the first refuge of, well I don't really know whose first refuge it is, but gee whiz it sure seems intellectually dishonest to me.
Yak, I accept that you disagree with me. Please accept that I find evidence in your postings of:
#1 Infantile (in the fruedian sense) belief structure;
#2 Unreasoning pessimism;
#3 Ignorance or a general lack of familiarity with what should be familiar historical concepts.
Kindly forgive my (apparently hurtful) attempt at levity re: ECT (try it, you'll like it!).
BTW - I attempt not to state things categorically, since some people are unable to recognize the general truth of a statement and instead engage in the "not necessarily" school of debate ("Since you don't know me... etc etc). Please try to deal with the substance of my comments and remember that Jesus (and the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob) loves you and so do I!

ok room mother
lmao on that 1

Jewish huh? No kidding?
Well, I guess it just goes to show that it takes all kinds to make a world.
Including self-hating loons.

I'm NOT sorry and you can keep the [darn] OREO.
No recess?!?
OK, OK, Pardonnez-moi, s'il vous plait! Je suis dommage!

'Israel is the only country since ww2 that gained territory thru invasion.'

The funny thing is Israel was the country that was invaded!!!

That's what I thought!

Dave, I started on a long rant about morals, reasons, and such but I deleted it because you are too far gone. Believe what you want but I feel we were right in Afghanistan, Iraq, and we are right to support Israel. I hope that one day you find peace.

'I'm NOT sorry and you can keep the [ ] OREO.'

Afraid of those trans fatty acids? You might want to stock up on them Oreo's ... before long you'll only be able to get them on the balck and white market!

Jag i resent the ""self hating" line my man.

Thats not my scene.Have you ever been?
I love Israel,I loved Rabin and I love the beaches in Haifa.
Ive been to the mountain of olives,ive been to Bethlehem and Ive been to the temple mount and wailing wall,you?

I just tend to tell the truth.
Frodo I thought you got whacked after your fishing trip with Al Neri,anyway the 1956-67 wars Israel attacked 1st although consensus has it that the Arabs were lining us up at the time.
Since then we gave Egypt back the Sinai,guess what,no more trouble from Egypt.
Rabin gave the Palestinians some freedoms and autonomy.Check the # of attacks against Israel between 1993 and 9/00 and then match those #S against the Sharon administration and you will see there was in fact a time of quiet.
I am no fool and there is a huge amount of Islamists who would cut my head off for no other reason than being a Jew.
I am pragmatic and deal in facts and the time is proper for Israel to stop the settlements and give back what was taken from the Palestinians.
Syria never gets the Golan Heights back for strategic reasons.

Thats all for the weekend and may god bless all of his children who call Jerusalem home to their various religions.

JAGCAP: Infantile. What a hoot. When I grow up, I wanna world view like urine. If we don't like it, kill it - except if it can fight back. Then we'll study it or talk it to death.

The bombing in Saudi Arabia was just the beginning my friend. Your ambitious little constabulary action, what did you so laughingly call it, "The Iraqi War of Liberation", reveals more than a little about your naivete. You and your hero have liberated little but the Rumallah and Qurna oilfields for gov't connected profiteers. You have sown the seeds of nothing but an entire new generation of little Bin Ladens eager to carry on their name-sake's work. The only issue that would win a popular vote right now in Iraq is that your occupation forces should leave immediately - which of course they cannot and will not do. There's too much money at stake. Hell, the Reconstruction of your liberated Iraq? It lasted less than a month before Garner was replaced by CIA spook Bremer.

Your little adventure is going to get a lot of people killed unnecessarliy, when the money used to pay to keep "free" Iraq on a short leash could have been used to root out and kill real terrorists.

Forget being Vice President. Run for chairman of Halliburton.

I love you too. I can't speak for Jesus, and wouldn't have the audacity to presume to.

yaksun

"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May they prosper who love you.
Peace be within your walls,
Prosperity within your palaces"

Man...I leave the room for ONE MINUTE and all ^&*!^% breaks loose!

I don't think I'll be posting anymore in French - I already used up all the words I know.

YAKSUN:

If there's still a declared war in Korea, why hasn't the UN stepped up to the plate? Hmmm....could it be they're hoping we'll go in and do what they're too chicken to do themselves? Or is it just that they don't consider N.Korea a real threat? Or maybe it's just "not their problem"?

I for one am ***sick to death*** of the UN asking us to handle every world crisis and then taking potshots at us from the peanut gallery. Either Kim poses a global threat or he doesn't. To quote you, you can't have it both ways.

If he does, the situation requires a global response. As you so repetitiously point out, we may be biting off more than we want to chew - a good argument for not going in without multi-national support. If he doesn't pose a global threat, why take on another military action alone? Kim is no more threat to us than to his neighbors - let them worry about him.

Iraq, on the other hand, was invaded because (whether you agree with it or not -- and I support your right to disagree) our President decided it posed a threat to US as well as to others. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence of ties between Baghdad and Bin Laden. You may not find it convincing, but you don't have to. Congress (that den of bickering twits) apparently was convinced enough to put aside their constant fighting and support military action. That alone may qualify as one of the miracles of the 21st century.

And you keep making such a big deal over the fact that we supposedly took Iraq on because we were sure we could win, but somehow we're afraid to take on Korea because we might lose. Show me someone who doesn't choose his battles and I'll show you a prime candidate for natural de-selection. You fight the battles you can win, avoid the ones you can't, and compromise wherever possible. That's just common sense - not cowardice.

One of our old friends spent his 16th birthday in a Korean prison camp (lied about his age when he enlisted). He's so skinny he disappears when he turns sideways - from malnutrition he suffered 50 years ago. Most of the people in our armed forces are not even 20 years old yet. You drive around any military base, and they just look younger and younger. I'm not in any hurry to send them off to a war.

Self Esteem: AAAARRGGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE ARE MY OREOS?

France has cookies?

Why didn't anyone tell me?

Cassandra:

Iraq: A minor-league military. An occupational pooch-screw. I will concede, however, that US definitely invaded it without my permission. ;-). Do you mind if I ask to see proof of the stated reasons for doing so - even if after the fact? Or how 'bout the head of even one Hussein?

Actually, in the run-up to an election year, I'm not so certain that the members of Congress "agreed" to back this adventure as much as to let Bush stick his neck out.

One person's "choosing their battles" is another person's "bully" or "coward". I am asking the Administration to be consistent in its policy of applying "pre-emptive" war. The alternatives are:
a) do nothing,
b) subsidize Kim's blackmail,
c) fight after the #@$% has hit the fan.
d) perhaps the Administration is lying/exaggerating about the North Korea threat altogether.

I'm not in any hurry to see good people die in Korea either (or Honolulu, or Seattle). I ridicule the stated necessity for the Iraq conflict for any of the reasons given. I ridicule the Administration for hypocrisy and possibly cowardice in failing to apply their policy of pre-emptive war consistently. if Iraq was such a threat, what is North Korea, based on the facts available to the public? I roll my eyes at the notion of cutting revenues in the face of a multi-trillion dollar deficit in any year - but especially in a year in which we bought a luxury item (a "war") and need to beef up real homeland security.

Gov't by the rich, for the rich.

My 2 cents

(Self esteem, self esteem, self esteem) :-)

later

yaksun

den mother,
First I'm going to take my Oreo and then go on a tirade from the sugar high! hooooaaaaaahhh, where do I start!

Yaksun,
I too fear that an unfriendly government will take control in Iraq. We must ensure that this doesn't happen even if we had said that we will let them decide. They have been oppressed for 30 years and we expect them to pick a good form of government, I don't buy it. First we put in a puppet government, let them enjoy freedom, embrace it and when they have grown up they can democratically choose what they want. So, I agree with you some and disagree with you some.

Dave,
Don't you agree that the muslim fanatics won't stop short until the utter destruction of Israel/Jews? I don't agree with Sharon's tactics either, but hey the other side has a terrorist in charge! A solution has to be found, but Arafat cannot stay in power while at peace with Israel. Ever notice that his ratings go up during time of conflict, but when things are ok the palistinians are fed up with him?

My dear Yaksun:

My wit is spent and my blood alcohol level is dangerously low, so I can only respond with a few lines from the Bard (perhaps permissably altered a bit to suit this forum):

Variation on Shakespeare's Sonnet 183

When in disgust with endless postings and replies,
I, solitary, bemoan my dam-ned Fate.
Look up to Heaven with beleaguered eyes,
And start afresh my Life to Hate.
Wishing myself free of Korean retorts,
Like to one more salaried and respected.
Desiring this man's pay
And that man's sport(coupe)
With pitious tears, feeling myself neglected.
Yet, in the midst of thoughts despairing
Haply, Miller Lite, I think on thee --
And then my mood
(Like to the cheerful Dachshund
At th' appearance of the supper dish)
Turns to glee.
For a single taste of thee such surcease brings,
That - for the nonce - my soul hath wings.

Now I must away - 'tis my natal day and a delectably chilled glass of Chateau LA Basin (and hopefully presents!) await my attention.

I shall return to spar with you another day.

Dear Cassandra:
Yes, it's true. France has NO cookies.
France: Zut Alors!
Well, that's what I heard!

But you know who DOES have your cookies?
That funny looking guy over there with the thick glasses & pompadour, yes, the one sitting on a stack of corpses dribbling on himself, flicking his BIC (made in France) and waving the flame near that ACME TNT fuse.... see him? Well he's got one of your cookies...
See that other funny looking guy, surrounded by a bunch of other guys that look just like him, right down to the mustache? Yep, he's sitting on a whole pile of dead folks, too, and lookie there, he's got pockets full of switchblades that he's passing out to the mean kids in class. Well he's got your other cookie, plus those mean kids look pretty mean - didn't they beat up your sister last week?
Well, decision time - do you want at least one cookie? Who do you take on?

Hit the century! The Buck!

H.o.D.

ARM

CHAIR

QUARTERBACKS

Many of you must have been 'gym class heroes'!!! Couldn't handle being on the team- but ruled your 'gym class'. Told everyone you could be the 'star' of the team- but just didn't want to. It is a lot tougher in the 'heat of the battle' than second guessing from your nice comfy sofas!!

True- the world is not a perfect place, but the bare minimum- the current administration is trying! Not being appeasers! I don't have all of the information that the government has- and I am thankful for that! I wouldn't want to be the one who determines whether or not someone's son, daughter, mother, father, spouse, cousin, sister, brother, etc might not be coming home again!!! Life is full of tough decisions- many of you bring up valid points.... bottom line- would you REALLY want algore making these decisions right now???

Be thankful for what you have and the freedom to 'openly' debate these issues!

H.o.D.

Why the scare quotes on openly? Seems really & truly open to me.

Aw nerts! Cassandra, our local Publix is selling Two for one packs of OREOs...here. I will set you out a plate of cookies, and pour you a Kahlua and Milk to get you started. I will also set out a saucer for the Lynch Family Cat, as I am sure she might want the same...Kahlua and Milk, or would that be cream?

I missed out on all the fun and so only get to read.
I see we have a new scrappler...

Everyone, it is a no host bar. Since I don't drink except lemonade, or water, I will leave the mixing of the drinks to you all and watch your manners please.

I am hearing the crickets and frogs and watching the fireflies out by the pool off my back porch.
Y'all are welcome to set a spell.

LF Cat, I liked the Cootie website, until I noticed that the music was, "In the Mood", by Glenn Miller. Now everytime my sweetie asks me, "Are you in the mood?", unfortunately I'm going to think of Cooties!

Just a couple of fingers of Johnny Walker, please. Red? Certainment! Lemon twist, no ice, thanks. Ah, tres bien.

Has anyone else noticed that on other threads Dave Goodstein posts under different names, one of which is Joe? IS he Jewish, as he claims? Does he want a war with North Korea, or like other Libs, if one starts, to say, "We are already in Afghanistan and Iraq, I told you Bush was going after the Whole World!" Yaksun, Gala, Ducksoup, Frenchman, Max, you are NOT going to win here! Do you Dim/Libs have too much time on your hands? I'm with CyberSarge and Darth on WAITING to see if NK poses a nuclear threat to San Fran, or L.A. L.A. Land. Hey the Hollyweird types wanted to wait before going after Iraq! When we see a big smoking hole where Californicate used to be, then we will take action!

wade.warren@leasecomm.com
Dave/Joe's e-mail address is the same!

Yaksun posted:

"Mr. Bush's actions in Iraq, say it didn't matter that he managed to guard the skies over Texas while lesser cannon fodder were sacrificed in Vietnam. Therefore, one's willingness to fight personally is irrelevant to the issue of being willing to send other people's kids and spouses off to die. I mean, one can't have it both ways, right?"
_________________

I assume as it is stated, if the President of The United States did not directly participate in actual warfare..i.e boots on the ground face to face combat..

The President as a consequence of the above..

Has absolutely { NO } right to commit any American in an armed conflict ..i.e warfare boots on the ground face to face combat

AS yaksun further posted:

" one can't have it both ways, right?"
________________

It is very difficult to follow these kind of statements, Indeed the matter of the presidents combat experience is superseded by a constitutional duty to protect the citizens of America, failing to do so would be an absolute breach of presidential duty, the issue of the presidents combat record is of no relevance what so ever,at any time during his term in office

Kim Jong Ill..

no military build up ..you will never see

A fascinating debate that needs a few points interjected.

The UN confirmed that Iraq had WMD. Now they'r gone. Whether it was in a dump, a bunker or Syria, we need to know. Saddam had his chance.

Cooties or no, the whole UN debate/debacle was more about the politics of the UN and France's grab for a piece of global authority than Iraq. I think it's a shame we let it drag on so long.

Appeasement only brings more trouble. NK has proven that already. The situation is totally different there though. Saddam survived for so long not only because he was a brutal dictator but he had huge regional support based on religious fanaticsim. Kim is brutal but he cannont rely on the same regional moral support that Saddam did. Given time, his regime will fall under it's own weight much like the Soviet Union (which did take Czechoslovakia by force, after WWII by the way).

Oreos are loaded with Trans Fat which is a big reason why they taste so GOOD. You don't have to buy them. Judicial activism and uncheck tort claims are costing everybody.

as silent as the jaguar and as swift as the cheetah..you shall not see it or hear it until it is accomplished..
Remember March 19 2003..Kim remember well..
the horror..the horror execution in silence without notice or warning

it is a matter of military practicality and tactical reason that will prevent a third generational war with you Kim Jong Ill..to many risks to many in the south the fifth generational warfare shall be your fate you shall not see them or hear from them until it is to late

*** Cricket...
thanks so very much for the saucer of Kahlua and Cream!mmmmmm mmmmm good!. (on RARE occasion I afford myself an iced decaf with Kahlua and white chocolate. (called: Nuclear Nurse) Its at this little coffee place around the corner from me that uses medical terms in the names of their drinks.---the other 3 "Daily Grinds" are located in medical facilities...is that a crack up or what?

The pool ( strange cat, eh?..likes water!...and the fireflies---sittin' a spell...it all sounds so very inviting. Not many fireflies in this part of Colorado.:~{

My "cat" is having alot of fun pursuing a moth in the house, though.

For the 2nd night in a row now I've been out on my porch watching a den of foxes frolicking out in the "island" of my relatively busy street. 3 cubs...un-stinkin'-believably ADORABLE as they're flipping, jumping and chasing..

It appears they took over the lease from the racoons that for the last 10 years have made their home the storm drain in the turnabout just steps away from my house...( meanwhile the adult foxes were hungrily eyeing my 12 lb Shih Tzu ( who thinks she's a Rottweiller).

Twice almost saw the fox frolic turn into carnage as several cars had to hit the brakes. ( Irresponsible parents. Instead of tending to their children they're looking for other small creatures to devour!!!...not in MY hood!)

Thanks for the invite, though, Cricket.

***Susan Serin-D.

I so profusely apologize for playing any part in any psycho/emotional scarring which would discourage any romantic encounters with your sweetie.

Maybe next time he asks you are you "in the mood" you could quickly put some Kenny G on the cd player???...( surely you can't picture those cooties dancing to Kenny G now could you?(:~})

Poor ole slack jaw didnt know what cooties looked like so I wanted to help him avoid any unnecessary fear...in the process I've traumatized you--and your sweetie! (:~})
Please forgive me.

If your sweetie sees you maniacally Lysol spraying everything...please feel free to pin the blame on me.(:~})

I'm willing to pay for your therapy if necessary.

(that computerized "music" is just about as annoying as Frenchman and Bambi..aaarrrggghhh.)

Darth Chef,
Thanks for the great link about the XYZ war. While Colorado doesn't have a Navy they are reactivating the state militia for homeland security reasons. France's army better behave.

http://www.co-freedom.com/2002/10/militiars.html

Side note:
Yaksun, who probably has never served his country in any capacty, YAKS TO MUCH.

***** Mike S****

I'm in Colorado and I have a ( Top Gun) Navy Cap from Anapolis...does that count as Navy in Colorado?? (:~})...

It hangs on the wall right next to this really WIIIILD pink, floppy brimmed BRIGHT pink hat that Dennis Rodman would probably pay big bucks for and I certainly don't want ANY association with his wierdness...so fuggedabout the Top Gun hat qualifying CO as Navy....never mind.

I think its so adorable of Mr. Ott to use []
"cheekie" symbols in cleaning up Cyber Sarges multiple usage of the synonym for "donkey".

So from now on instead of using "the word" ( 3 letters...starts with "a" ends with "s" to the 2nd power.....use the butt [] symbol.

Cyber Sarge should feel Ott honored. Your post got cleaned up instead of evicted.

Colorado had a Navy when I was there. It was at Buckley.

Today (17 May) is Armed Forces Appreciation Day. If you know any sevice people, let them know they're appreciateed.

And on the other topics discussed in this thread, ...given recent history, if in some way the U.S. could be invaded and conquered in like manner, the crowd of Democrats toppling statues and looting the Smithsonian would far exceed the numbers of Iraqis dancing in the streets of Baghdad that glorious day...

I'm in Colorado and I have a ( Top Gun) Navy Cap from Anapolis...does that count as Navy in Colorado?? (:~})...
*******

It's Annapolis...a drinking town with a sailing problem.

Last night I suggested that yaksun's reasoning, as revealed by his postings, not my parapsychological ("Calling Dr. Venkman, Dr. Venkman!")capabilities, demonstrated an infantile belief structure. Follow the link for a fairly comprehensive analysis of Leftist "thought" as an expression of infantile rage. Oh, and being a newbie, I have no idea how to make this a "clickable" link, so you'll have to cut & paste.
("Help!")

http://users.tpg.com.au/jonjayra/politpsy.html

I do indeed feel Honored by this action. However, I am ashamed at myself for letting a a couple of Libs get the better of me. From now on I will only use the a**hole when I refer to Yaksun and Jacka** when I refer to David. My use of such language was very childish and I was 'swept' up in the argument. So A**hole and Jacka** really need to seek counseling for their self-loathing. It's affects people who are constantly told they are bad. Let me tell you both that I know you are good because of the passion of your words you are just misdirected. Most of the Arab world rises to morning prayer with the call of death to ALL infidels. Not some, part of, not kids/women but ALL. In Tehran each morning the Mullahs call for the destruction of Israel and U.S. in the same chant. If you believe that if you just show that you like them they will return it, you are very naive. The Arabs have institutionalized the hatred and even if it stopped today it would take generations to wash away the hatred. If Israel had conducted itself with the appeasement party, we would most ceratinly see more camps like there were in Germany only they would be in Jericho and Bethleham. I implore you to wake up and stop being an a**hole and a Jacka**. Peace.

Cybersarge and JAGOFF:

Here's something in language you can understand: (Bleep) ewe.

yaksun

JAGCAP: I'm feeling feisty: bring them both on. Seize the Oreos and let consequences be dam*ed.

Cricket: Thanks for the Kahlua and cream! Now that my blood sugar and alcohol level have been restored, I'm ready to take on even Yaksun (but not right now - I have GOT to get some work done this weekend).

Y'all are most welcome. I have deer that lope through here from time to time...so I put out a lick and some corn and two mamas and their babies came by.

LFC, LOVE the fox stories. Those little critters are fascinating, as are raccoon, and opossum and other
nocturnal ramblers and clever things.

I wanted to thank Darth Chef for the cyber legal clinic he gave...and wish I had a profession in which to share my expertise, but I am Just A Mom.

We will be having a barbecue...I have ribs, slaw and baked potatoes, corn on the cob and salmon.
Dessert will be fresh fruit kabobs.

The pool, the trampoline and the funslide are open. I think SRG and JAGCAP may not like the Slide because of the confidence course at BCT.

Cassandra, have a good weekend, and all of you.
CyberSarge, be safe. If anyone who is posting here is doing so from the front lines, know that you are in my prayers.

I may not know your names, but I know you are heroes.

Cricket, I retired about three years ago, but thanks for the prayers. This is LAST post on this thread. It was fun but I am ready to move on.

Cricket:

I was "just a Mom" for 17 years, and I learned more important things about people during that time than I ever have at work. Even though I finally have a career, I consider raising them to be my life's work. Every time I look at my boys, I am humbled. Actually they are young men now (one in college and one just graduated from college and in police academy), but part of me will always see them in their pajamas, with their damp hair freshly combed and ready to start reading a bedtime story.

Many times I thought I would never get to work, but looking back I'm so glad I had those years, and so grateful to my husband for making it possible for me to stay home with my children as they grew up. The time passes quickly, but the memories last forever.

Where would any of us be without our Moms? :)

Cricket & Cassandra. GOD BLESS MOMS!--YOU!
What a gift and privilege you've been given.

I don't appreciate the "just a mom" tag. Although I preceive YOU really do know better!

I respect, admire and applaud moms.

I have not had that privilege ( responsibility!) but just recently-- one week as caretaker with a very good hearted pre-teen boy raised my "honor mom" bar sgnificantly. (kids around jr. high all really are temporarily kidnapped by other planetary beings, aren't they? LOL

My best friends on the planet have 7 kids. What an AWESOME household to hang out in. Although a few are not at home now. Its always SWEET when I get to spend some time at Christmas with them in a great condo in SNOWY, quaint Grand Lake, CO.

Cricket...I guess I can enjoy your little wonderland "vicariously" thru your posts. Sounds like a wonderful place...and the slaw, spuds, corn on the cob, fruit make me regret my breakfast at Village Inn. (:~}) YUM stuff. After the picture your painted who needs Calgon to take them away? (:~}

CYBERSARGE---regarding the faithful "prayers" of the death mongers. I sense your sincerity in your impassioned plea for blinders to come off of some of the scrapple-synics.

This hatred you spoke of runs deep is real and determined...and sickneningly and erroneously has "god" attached to it. ( I didn't capitalize because the "god" they're REALLY talking about doesn't get the "G" cuz their mission isn't His)

GREYHAWK: thanks for the Armed Forces Day reminder;

Retirees, ( that includes salty tongued (:~}) Cyber Sarge) Actives,-----
*******THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE, SACRIFICE,******* *+*+|*+*INTEGRITY, BRAVERY, COURAGE!+**+*+*+*+*+

GOD BLESS YOU AMAZINGLY! Our prayer are genuinely with you and for you!

Cricket & Cassandra. GOD BLESS MOMS!--YOU!
What a gift and privilege you've been given.

I don't appreciate the "just a mom" tag. Although I preceive YOU really do know better!

I respect, admire and applaud moms.

I have not had that privilege ( responsibility!) but just recently-- one week as caretaker with a very good hearted pre-teen boy raised my "honor mom" bar sgnificantly. (kids around jr. high all really are temporarily kidnapped by other planetary beings, aren't they? LOL

My best friends on the planet have 7 kids. What an AWESOME household to hang out in. Although a few are not at home now. Its always SWEET when I get to spend some time at Christmas with them in a great condo in SNOWY, quaint Grand Lake, CO.

Cricket...I guess I can enjoy your little wonderland "vicariously" thru your posts. Sounds like a wonderful place...and the slaw, spuds, corn on the cob, fruit make me regret my breakfast at Village Inn. (:~}) YUM stuff. After the picture your painted who needs Calgon to take them away? (:~}

CYBERSARGE---regarding the faithful "prayers" of the death mongers. I sense your sincerity in your impassioned plea for blinders to come off of some of the scrapple-synics.

This hatred you spoke of runs deep is real and determined...and sickneningly and erroneously has "god" attached to it. ( I didn't capitalize because the "god" they're REALLY talking about doesn't get the "G" cuz their mission isn't His)

GREYHAWK: thanks for the Armed Forces Day reminder;

Retirees, ( that includes salty tongued (:~}) Cyber Sarge) Actives,-----
*******THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE, SACRIFICE,******* *+*+|*+*INTEGRITY, BRAVERY, COURAGE!+**+*+*+*+*+

GOD BLESS YOU AMAZINGLY! Our prayer are genuinely with you and for you!

JAGOFF! I get it! I get it! hyuk hyuk hyuk!

C&C;: Re: "just a mom" Echo previous posters re: importance of momness & I know you "get" it, but would like to suggest that we all be really careful about talking about parenthood b/c it's not something that gets alot of credit. For example, when I was on AD as a JAG in DC (well, Arlington, VA, but you know what I mean) we had regular hours & plenty o' time with the family. When I went to work for the "big firm," the difference was unbelievable - if you thought family time was important (like, MORE important than the latest client-tirade imposed deadline) you weren't serious about the law!! I dumped that 12 years ago & worked at my own practice part-time while the kids were littler (all in high school now) so I could coach their teams, drop 'em at school, pick 'em up, etc w/ very little childcare. I know I was lucky, but I never miss an opportunity to shoot my mouth off about it b/c it CAN be done, but most/many businesses won't accept it.
Anyway, YAY motherhood YAY fatherhood YAY kids!

Dear yaksun:
I should probably note re: "JAGOFF" that a preoccupation with mast****tion is one of the hallmark characteristics of the infantile stage of psychosexual development.
But you already knew that.

JAGCAP:

"Dear Yaksun"

may be the only thing that appears on that post to him after The Editor catches sight of it.
(No wind to catch...sunny, mild, 78 degrees here--- and a "whiteout" on posts that don't receive the Scott Ott Scrapple Face Housekeeping seal of approval. (:~})

Folks, I'm new to this site but I found the thread on North Korea interesting. I'm certain that some of you remember this comment from Colin Powell about North Korea. He said "If they were ever stupid enough to use nuclear weapons against anyone they know we'd turn them into a charcoal briquette." I suspect if they used them against us we wouldn't stop until South Korea was an island. So chill about NK, people. They'll hold until we get around to sorting them out, assuming that the rest of the neighborhood doesn't do the job for us beforehand.

Mac:

You have a point, and actually one I have thought of bring up but hadn't really had the time to think my way through. The balance of terror was what kept us and the USSR from annihlating each other for several decades. But the idea that they might sell nukes to stateless terrorists is a bit frightening. How do you strike back against something you can't locate?

And welcome to the Madness, by the way :)

I still view this NKorea thing as an attempt to blackmail the West into granting concessions. But I haven't read up enough on the history to really know what I'm talking about.

Dear Weekend Security:
How have I offended? I'm not making this stuff up y'know (Freud & his minions did that). It just seems to me that Yaksum presents a fairly obvious case of arrested development, not atypical of leftists, generally. Take a look at this: http://users.tpg.com.au/jonjayra/politpsy.html for a much more thorough and nuanced analysis than I could hope to offer.

Re: North Korea
Dear Leader is a nut in ways that no old-style Soviet or present-day ChiCom leader ever could be - the best analogy would be to Saddam's spawn. To be top dog in USSR or China, the front man has to assemble a coalition, to convince the other geriatrics that he deserves their support and the leader's legitimacy flows from the support of his coalition.
Dear Leader's only claim to fame is his dad, another flaming nutjob. His legitimacy cannot be challenged by mere incidentals, like the starvation of his people. Economic and foreign relations failures led to Kruschev's ouster by the Soviet Politburo, the NK Politburo plays no such similar role.
Bottom Line IMHO, we should look to the history of megalomaniacs (Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam, etc) rather than the history of Cold War deterrence in trying to decide what to do about NK.
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.

JAGCAP:

If no one else has told you yet, put the link in the URL spot below the email address, and tell people to click your name!

Dear Son
Here goes nuthin

Sorry forgot the bit about click on my name....

DAVE GOODSTEIN -- You write:
Israel runs an arpartheid state,

(((Apartheid state??? Have you seen the Israeli arab polls begging Israel not to give arab villages over to the PA? Have you considered that Israeli Arabs hold 10 percent of the Knesset seats? Have you thought about the fact that most other nations might have long ago rejected world pressure, i.e. China with their Han-i-fication of Tibet???)))

Israel is the only country since ww2 that gained territory thru invasion.

(((I would bet quite a number of Tibetans, East Timorese, and Eritreans, to name just a few, would be surprised to hear that?)))

Israel shot up the uss liberty in 1967 killing 40sailors,AMERICAN SAILORS.

(((Though this story has never been admitted to by the US Navy or Israel, if true, it would be one of thousands of friendly fire incident since World War II.)))

Jonathan Pollard was arrested for spying for Israel against us 10short years ago.

((((Mr. Pollard crimes and sentence was extended by anti-semites in the G.H.W.Bush adminstration, principally Casper Weinberger.)))

Israel is directly responsible for the displacement of around 2million refugees who are on their 55th year of refugee status.

(((In Israel's war for independence 600,000 people fled the invading arab armies at the 'strong suggestion' of the arabs. Their descendants now number over 3 million refugees the only world war two era 'refugees' not integrated into society. The 'refugees' are kept in 'camps' for political reasons to turn arab heads away from despotic dictators and toward hatred of Israel.)))

Israel and South Africa exploded a nuke in the Indian Ocean 15years ago and NO ONE SAID A WORD.

(((So. Though in actuality many words have been said about the Israeli/S. African test. Israel, as has been well noted by Frodo, has never invaded a neighbor, but always been invaded, though technically in the six day war, with armies massing at her border, Israel struck first.)))

Israel has a mass murderer who was censored by his own government for being ""indirectly responsible"" for the murder of 2000 palestinian refugees as its president and is currently under indictment for war crimes in Belgium.

(((I'll address these in reverse order. Belgium has had an short man image problem since Leopold II, the famed nutty king, decided he needed to improve the nation's image by killing tens of thousands of Congolese. No right minded person takes the Belgium war crime law seriously. As for Sharon's complicity in the death of 'palestinian refugees' in Lebanon, that would be the equivalent of saying George Bush or General Meyers is guilty for the revenge killings
that have occured in Baghdad. It is pretty tough to shift the tide in a civil war and expect those who have been oppressed not to take vengeance on those who have been doing the oppressing. Look at the record of the PLO in Lebanon before the 'Christian' militia struck
back in the Beruit camps.)))

Israel is in its 3rd year of its newest pogrom against palestinians in the west bank,have you been keeping score??

(((You mean the pogrom which includes young children being blown up at holiday celebrations? That pogram? Or the one where teens are blown up outside a nightclub? That pogrom? Or do you mean the one where mothers throw their bodies over their little ones in their bedrooms just before being machine-gunned by armed invaders? That pogrom? Or do you mean the pogrom where Israel kills the terror leaders who do these things? and they kill them how???? by the most accurate and minumal strikes that they can in which occasionally innocents also die. I suppose that is the pogrom you mean, eeh? As for keeping score if the attrition keeps on going as it is the Jews will be wiped out long before the 'palestinians'.

ISRAEL HAS RECIEVED OVER 1TRILLION DOLLARS IN AMERICAN AID.

(((Not even close, the amount of aid since the first Camp David has been less than 100 billion dollars about 3 billion a year. Aid before the Camp David accords was much less per annum.)))

are they as bad as Iraq???
no of course not but what would you call a nation that did the above???

(((At least you have some sense.)))

democratic,progressive,kind and gentle???
ya right.

((( I would call Israel's response to the attacks it has undergone, particularly those of the 2nd intafada as well measured, restrained, and to a large degree reluctant. -- Witness the famed Jenin battle for instance. Israel did not have to fight house to house in the heart of the Jenin refugee camp, but instead could have, as America often does, bombed from afar. Instead, in a successful attempt to lower overall casulties, the IDF fought house to house, suffering themselves 23 dead.)))

David - You do your Lord, and your namesake, a great diservice when you attack His people like you have. Truely you should be ashamed. Moral relativism is not a pretty philosophy, but a stagnant one full of rot and death.
Jericho :-)!

I loved the confidence course! It was like those playgrounds at the McDonalds only adult-sized. I just wish somebody with $$ (very unlike self) would build one of theose Play-lands in a larger size.
It would be fun!

Mr Jericho
anti-semites were responsible for Jonathan Pollards spying?

Israel and S Africa exploded nukes and you say so what!
You defend Israels government by comparing them with China and then equate a 6 hour machine gunning of the uss liberty with friendly fire,despite an American flag flying on the boat?

I ask you Jericho,does a father who is burying his 2year old care weather the kid was bulldozed over by the Israeli army or if he was shot by an apache helicopter or if he was blown up on a bus?

Are you keeping score since Sharon came to power.
despite this weekends senseless slaughter I think Israel is still ahead for the week in body count if you count the 6 killed in Gaza over the weekend

I care not who wins or loses here,I would just assume stop funding the madness.

yaksun posted:

"I am asking the Administration to be consistent in its policy of applying "pre-emptive" war."
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dear yaksun one must first define the proper facts at issue
re: pre-emptive
we find no such definition related to Iraq in 2003
please see:

107TH CONGRESS, 2D SESSION, H. J. RES. 114 JOINT RESOLUTION

This joint resolution may be cited as the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, October 10, 2002.

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed,

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the ceasefire,

Declared Iraq to be in ''material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations'' and urged the President ''to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 -1990
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AUTHORIZES THE USE OF " ALL" NECESSARY MEANS TO ENFORCE
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United Nations Security Council Resolution 660

Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1), Congress has authorized the President ''to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 1990 In order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660 through 677 and 1441
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indeed this is not and was not a pre-emptive action..a continuation of Desert Storm can not and is not pre emptive,
strike " pre emptive " from the record..
because it has never been a fact what so ever

PS:
yaksun posted:

" I will concede, however, that US definitely invaded it without my permission."
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Arie told me to tell you
next time The President said he will check with you first :-D

Ben Gurion - I said anti-semites were responsible for the extra-ordinary sentence that Pollard received.

As I said the Liberty incident has never been confirmed by the US or Israel, but has ceratinly grown in its telling.

As for a father burying a 2 year old, I fathers who understand truth would recognize that a child who is targeted by the enemy as opposed to child who is accidently killed are two entirely different things calling for two entirely different repsonses.

As for the 'score' you need not understand very much at all about principles of attrition or demographics to understand what the outcome if the current death ration continues.

As for winning or losing, it is fore-ordained, the good guys win.

Jerico

Denial isnt just in Egypt eh.

Wall the region off and let them kill each other.
In 50 years there won't be anything but nomadic herders and small fishing villages.
I don't care who is more right. I don't care who has the most historic precedent to the so-called Holy Land. (Based on the last 6000 years of history, I don't think God really likes it much)
I don't think either side will be willing to compromise enough to gain peace. Both groups are so wedded to their own mythologies that it warps their world-view. They can't look at each other without seeing the "enemy."

Kind of like the Klan and the NAACP. They just can't/won't get along. Their very existence is an affront to the other side.

And I really don't care any more. A plague on both their houses. They can kill each other all they want, and I'll even spring for the bullets.

SRG,
You sound like my twin. I love going to the kids sections of bookstores, and I have a great selection of children's literature through the last two hundred years.

Dh and I used to take the kids to the confidence courses on Sundays after church to get their wiggles out of them. They were not being used then, so we would get them dressed in their grubbies and we even video taped them going through one at Lewis.

Of course, they couldn't do all the stations, and there were some that we wouldn't let them do because of safety concerns...but yeah, I agree with you. If Micky Dee built an adult sized hamster run, I am there!

A funny but true story: Dh was in command of a BTC. His was the tasking to run a civilian day at the confidence course. We had about 30 civilians show up, NOT counting my kids and the other kids.
So, he got a couple of drills and himself on the course, and there were some Greek officers and the odd Aussie or two there as well. My nine year old son shinnied down the rope, and the two Greeks were bug-eyed. If that skinny little kid could do it, they certainly could.

Dh was at the top of the tower, and so he showed them how to do it, and the one started, but got stuck. His buddy encouraged him down, and he made it. We, being the supportive bunch that we were, applauded him. His fellow officer also tried it, and said that they didn't have this kind of training for their army, only their paramilitary...

And now, you know why America is the best country in the world! We teach and encourage self reliance.

Yes! Build giant adult-people sized Habitrails (tm) complexes! Make exercise fun, and a smaller persentage of Americans would wish they were smaller.
I'd be as happy as kid with a new air-rifle!

Oh wait, I forgot. It's totally wrong to give an impressionable child a toy like a gun. It shows them that it is okay to a totally male-soldier-killer who has no respect for the non-centric female harmonizing spirit. It will let them think its okay to a eco-rapist hunter instead of an eco-balanced Vegan who doesn't even eat perenial plants cause they might have souls, too.

Now if someone could find me the top to this can of paint-thinner, I can fumigate my office and my brain might actually start functioning.

In a French restaurant:

Diner: Waiter, what's this cootie doing in my soup?

Waiter: {looks closely at soup} looks like the backstroke, Messieur!