That's "s" as in Snake oil salesman.

Its time to ABOLISH this "non-relevant white elephant".

Stop contributing American taxpayer's money to such organization which is being used as a leverage against America.

"...I saw horses in the vision, those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow...and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and brimstone." Revelations 9:17
(NKJV)

Sounds like tanks to me and the colors ... flags I'd bet. Sulfur yellow - the color of the Kings of the East (China) mentioned in Revelations, and fiery Red, the color of communist Russia (Rush -- Russia -- , Gog, Magog, Tubal - the ancient cities of Russia)
And the Hyacinth Blue, that is the color of the UN Flag - under which the anti-christ will lead his armies.

The pathetic thing is they think they'll have a chance sitting in a M1-Abrams or a T-72 in Meggido as Christ assembles his heavenly army. But, it will be worse than those Toyota's with 20mm machine guns charging a Abrams in this current war. 'A slaughter' would not be an efficient descriptor.

So though the UN wants in and Scott is not too far off from what Koffi Annan is thinking as he cancels his meeting in St. Pete's with the coalition of the whinners you can count the UN out - I've read the end of the book -- the good guys win. :-)!

There's a bill right now in the House of Reps for the US to withdraw from the UN and require the UN to leave America.

If you feel you want your rep to vote for this so it passes and goes onto the Senate for vote, then contact your rep by email right away.

It's easy enough to find your state rep on the net.

I can't wait to see what the UN has been doing lately. This "Coalition of the Willing" is boring. All they ever do is get things done. Let's get back to some productive DEBATE.

New? Improved? Secret Ingredient?

Or the final nail in the Koffi(n)?

Saw Little Joey Biden on TV a few hours back. Said we need to turn this thing (governing Iraq) over to the UN ASAP to legitimize it. Not sure what "legitimize" means when used in that context, but I do believe Joe also missed an historic opportunity to enjoy a good hot cup of shut the #%#%# up. (If anyone can find a link I'd appreciate it. I'm starting a list...)

shoo UN fly; we have liberatin' to do.

31 MILLION PEOPLE
31 MILLION PEOPLE

Free of Oppression ,
Tyrants
Terror
Free to speak
Free to Vote
Free to get Education
Free to live without Fear
In Less Than two Years Two Entire Countrys

GEORGE BUSH
Has given Freedom to more people in lees time than any other Human in History

13.9 Million In AFGHANISTAN
18.5 Million In IRAQ

source library of congress census stats.
[ ] The United Nations...
GW Yes
UN No
GW Yes
UN No
GW Yes
UN No

Please don't forget our new licensing fees for U.N. 2.0 - a small (but ever-growing) worldwide income tax that applies to prosperous Western nations only!
This new licensing, brand named Worldwide Income Redistribution (WIR), is U.N. 2.0's way to bring peace to the world. U.N. 1.0's record was marred with multiple wars when repressive regimes lost control of their populace, their media, and the ability to execute enough of their population. After extensive study, U.N. 1.0 determined that the root cause of these wars was the regime's inability to adequately fund their secret police.
With WIR, money will be taken from prosperous Western nations that created the wealth and handed over to a wide variety of regimes to adequately fund their secret police and other war-preventing activities!

I got a letter from Oliver North the other day. He says the U.N. has plans to tax every tax payer in the U.S. an average of $750.00 per year, to go to 'Nation building'. I don't have the letter at hand, but you can go to his web page by clicking my name.

Great, Scott. I hear there will be a special screening of Mikey's "Shuffleboarding for Tikrit" as part of the re-opening.

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Frank: "I can't wait to see what the UN has been doing lately."

Oh, how about the Democratic Republic of the Congo?

[A blatant plug; but, hey, it answers the question.]

Wow Scott, Less than 100 visitors to get to 700,000, Congratulations!

Please don't forget to click my name, to go to MCI's comment page, and give your opinion about Danny Glover. I wouldn't keep harping on him, but it seems, after the complaints about him, they have stepped up his endorsements. At least Lipton is not, condoning what the Chicksie Dicks said! Plus, I don't have to SEE, them, EVERYTIME I turn on the T.V.!

699,920 at 4:51 a.m. 04/10/2003. Is there a prize for 700,000? I hope I get it!

Click my name, go ahead, I dare you! Then tell President Bush, how much WE appreciate him!!!

Dear Jericho:

It also says that the anti-christ will come from the tribe of Dan.

Just a warning to anyone that pisses me off.

DANjo
From the tribe of Danjo

Finally, the URLNazi's have removed Scrappleface from the restricted list at work, so I can post again, much to some of your dismay.

Nevertheless, since this follows the 'if you build it they will come' philosophy of product releases, how will UN ever get it's market share back?! They certainly lack in the area of productivity, if not debate.

As for getting UN involved in administration of Iraq, I've already written my senators to stop even thinking about it. Looking at other UN adminitrative missions (e.g. West Bank/Gaza, East Timor, Kosovo, etc.) it's quite clear that these people shouldn't be allowed on the same continent :)

LPB

Not sure what "legitimize" means when used in that context

I think he was referring to our stubborn insistence on a democratic form of government for the Iraqis.
How could the UN give legitimacy to that, when they are much better propping up and supporting Stalinist dictators?

Come on folks!
Let's spread the cost around a little. Rebuilding infrastructure and utilities is expensive. Let France, Germany, Japan, etc., etc., ad nauseum pick up some of the tab.

In addition, every country in the region is looking at us with fear and suspicion. The more radical elements are convicing more and more of the "Arab street" that this is just the first step in in this little Crusade of ours.

If we get out as soon as possible and get some (Iraqi) civilian authority in place, then we can tell all the folks who are talking about this "Zionist plot" to take over the Middle-East to "have a nice hot cup of Shut the #*$& up!"
We still have the fear of thugs and dictators, and we retain our good-guy status.

It will also get the "No Blood for Oil" crowd hugely p.o.ed when they get proven wrong. They'll publicly claim credit for getting the troops out so quickly, but they'll be stewing with resentment as everyone else laughs at them.

So let the UN in after we're done.
They need a confidence booster after the job they did in the Congo.

The U.N. brand might be a little more popular if the U.N. stuck to the business it's good at, i.e. providing a diplomatic forum and coordinating health and food relief, and stayed away from the business it's terrible at and not intended to do, i.e. actually governing anything.

You have already lost your good guys status.

Where are the WMD ? None have been used. Where are the proofs that Saddam's regime was linked with Al quaida? Wich Arab country under America's influence is a democracy ? What proof do you have that "god bless America" every time dubbya say so ?.

Now no one in Europe will believe the lies of your government any more.

And now you also want other countries to pick up the Tab for your illegal war. NO WAY. It's your own mess.

Interesting to note that apparently Saddam and his sons were killed by a bomb in a house when the CIA found out that they had a meeting there.
If it was so simple, why did we need this war?

Why would France participate in the reconstruction of a country they didn't agree to destroy ?.

Regarding the UN, It's just like France and Germany for Bush: If the UN doesn't agree with US policy, It becomes irrelevant.

Frogwatch
America has no time for you as we are busy running the world right now. You are irrelevant, unless (as seems likley) you have on your person some Saddam DNA. Until the CIA comes to collect that sample, please feel free to sit down with your president for a fresh hot cup of shut the $%^# up.

srg, yes it is expensive, so it's a good thing the Iraqis have enough oil to pay for it. A few loans from the coallition of the willing should take care of their rebuilding since we left alot intact.

UN involvement must be limited to Humanitarian assistance. If they get involved in any serious rebuilding decision making, nothing will ever get done and the Iraqi's will hate us. Besides, do the people of Iraq really want to see a bunch of beret-wearers who have been supplying Saddaam with some of his best material? I don't think so.

Frogwatch, I finally agree with something you say. Chirac should stay the h*** out. He's nothing but a trouble maker.

And the Russia and China too for that matter.

P-tew.

frogwatch, I used to gig frogs when I about 12 years old. How about I bring my frog gig to france and have some fun.

Froggies:

Look in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review today for Underground Nuclear storage facilities.

Look at USA Today(!) for links for Al-Queda.

How far up your *** is your head?

Shame on all of you! I may not know the difference beteween UN and UNilaterrel but I do know it is just wrong for the US to turn Europe into a bunch of third rate countries begging on there knees for our table scraps. And that is just what is going to happen! That is why Frogwatch is mad!
Shame on America!

My apologies to Scrapplers for posting on this thread, I am in a hurry and can't search the archives for the one I am looking for.

Dear Frenchman,

First of all, let me begin by saying if you look back, in everything I have posted to you, never once did I call you a liar. Terrorist sympathizer, yes, possibly anti-semitic, yes, but liar, I donít think so.

Nor have I ever disputed your facts, only itís relevance to our debates.

Secondly, when you tell me to go check into things that have happened in the past, please believe ME that I do. Only quite a bit of what I find is speculation or dots that have not been connected.

You also claim that terrorism is a response to previous acts of terrorism.

What specific act of terrorism was commited by the 3,000 people who died on 9/11? That they went to work? That they live in a capitalist society? That they are not radical Muslims?

I am unfamiliar with Gush Emonium so I searched the internet using Google. Unfortunately the only documents that came up were in French, so if you would be so kind as to inform me of the origin of this organisation as relates to Hamas, I will rely on your translation.

As for Afghanistan, the US helped arm the people there to counter the spread of Communism in that part of the world and well, it apparently worked. You may argue that that action helped in the proliferation of radicalism and AlQueda, to which I would respond: That is precisely why we went in busted up that party. Keep in mind these are not nice guys, and would target your beloved France as well as the US because they view any non-Muslim as infidels.

Your reference to evidence and a Casus Belli leads me to believe you are of the persuasion that our Secretary of State was lying when he approached the UN, and to this end, I can understand your suspicion. In this country, we have unfortunately elected leaders who did lie, parse words, employ newspeak, redefine the word ìisî, etc. Believe me I did not vote for this particular brand of leader. I did, however, vote for George Bush and thank God (or Allah, of you prefer) that he won the last election.

Lastly, another question you can choose to answer. When you saw the pictures of the Iraqis toppling the statue of Sadaam, did it remind you of anything?

Bobby! Bobby! Bobby! (Read as rhythmic victory chant...)

Bobby,
I think we will be asking france in the next few weeks why they supplied Iraq with hi-tech equipment that allowed them to get plutonium (weapons grade).
I'm just waiting for Powell to go to the UN and yell: "Lucy (chirac), you've got some explaining to do!" (in a cuban accent).

I think they should change that slogan to:

"The United Nations: We put the UN in "unliberated".

Anybody who thinks the UN should have any say in any actual running of Iraq should look at Haiti and Kosovo-two countries they've been running into the ground for years now. Kosovo used to export electricity before the war and now many years after the war they still suffer rolling blackouts under UN governance.

And froggy, what makes the UN irrelevant is not failing to agree with us, it is failing to enforce it's own resolutions. Passing resolutions which they know, and more importantly the people that the resolutions are aimed at know, they have no will to enforce makes the Security Council useless. "We told you to do that and if you don't we might just tell you to do it again" doesn't work in the real world.

Let the United Nations keep the title, U.N., only now it stands for, The UNwilling Ninnys!

As for you FrogCrotch, you asked where are the WMD's, guess what, they are turning up. The Marines just found a rolling Bio-weapons lab. They may have found, weapons grade plutonium. What is it with you anti-American jacka$$'s, you can wait 12 plus years for Saddam to disarm, but can't wait 3 weeks for the Americans and Brits to disarm him and find WMD at the same time? This is my last reply to you, your lover, frenchfry, and your ilk. Your ignorant, inane, rhetoric isn't worthy of MY time!

Justin: Long time no see. How's bro?

And wow! Rioting, protest rallies, UN, war... so many morons, so little space/time...

If this is the best you can come up with, I'm relieved that I remain on the left. We have better jokes.

In rebuttal to frogwatch:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-ijaz041003.asp

The author's name isn't european, you will probably say he is lying also.

As for the Mesopotamian mess, it belongs to the Iraqis. The coalition is just there to clean-up the yard and do a few house repairs to make the neghborhood a little better place to live.

Coffee: The left IS a joke, so no surprise there.
Jericho: I was going to read that book, but now that you gave away the ending...
Frog Crotch: (Thanks Susan, I'm stealing that one) The UN has ALWAYS been irrelevant, not just when we disagree, but sometimes they do prove to be useful idiots. Methinks the usefulness has run its course.

coffee
I agree with you. In fact, here's some of the left's best jokes ever:
International Answer
The UN
Jimmy Carter
CNN
Saddam Hussein
Bill Clinton
Hollywood
70% of France...

I would like to comment a bit on the French situation. I am British but have spent some time in France recently. I love the French roads and food. The place is a bikers paradise if you can survive which is why I spend a lot of time there.

The overwhelming thing in France is the Government is a joke at present. Normally there would be an election battle between the left and right as usual but the left shot themseves very badly in the foot just before the last elections. So badly in fact that the left wing did not even participate in the final round of voting. A good analogy would be the Democrats withdrawing from the presidential race leaving a choice between the Republican Candidate and the Communist party.

The French got Chirac because it was him or the Ultra Right National Front and they are not pleased about it. Chirac wants power in Europe, real power. Tony Blair is a thorn in his side, then Iraq comes off. Chirac, (who incidently would be in jail for fraud if he wasn't the president), uses this mainly to stick a spanner in Tony Blairs works not realising the full consequences and relying on the universal French antipathy for anybody not French, especially the Brits and the Americans. It has gone very horribly wrong for the French so they are now trying to save face by pushing the US to allow the UN, (which the French screwed up almost by accident), back in the game. This is all because the French can't stand not being regarded as a world power and being bailed out twice, (three times if you count the Marshall Plan), is too humilliating for the long bitter memories of the French elite. They have a National Chip on their shoulders ever since English became the worlds language and thats why they especially hate us.

As for the UN, would you consider flattening the place to make way for a giant sized Toys R Us or something equally useful.

Jonah

There has been some kidding about invading France next, however, France, within 20 years, may become a radical Islamist state.

France is also a nuclear power.

We need to drain the swamp.

BTW, Coffee, the library of the left has no humor section.

Wait, there's no "s" in Revolution... ;-)

Why does it seem that all the lefties are ignorant of world affairs, and yet try and act like they are informed and intelligent? Can anyone answer that? Nope... not answerable...

The left has some great jokes, including Public Radio, (huh, the left has Public Radio? Exactally).

You know, I think the innicials U.N. should forever stand for ...

AHHH!!! Thunder! Lightning! Bang! Oh my!
Sorry, rainstorm, I just had to type it in... Now, where did I leave off? Ah, yes...

U.N. should stand for UNimportant, UNintelligent, or maybe even UN, meaning not-holding-any-importance-what-so-ever.

Froggy, the reason we (the world) don't respect the UN is that they have no power. If they would enforce the resolutions they passed, and will pass, their prominence will shoot sky-high, and they will be respected. However, their inability to do this causes their lack of importance and makes them ineffectual.

Contact your state representatives and urge them to vote for a bill, sitting now in the House, that will withdraw the US from the UN and require the UN to leave US soil.

You can find your rep on the net and email them a short message.

Froqwatch,
Why is it the frenchies and chiraq were so patient with saddam and his inspectors yet are so impatient with the US after only 3 weeks. Just give us a little more time to kicka$$ and then your turn will be up. The UN was irrelevant a long time ago froqqy. I propose we withdraw from the UN and go on a month to month lease instead. If you frenchies love the UN so much why don't you offer to have the UN headquarters moved to paris???? Then you can have all those "diplomats" parking in your handicapped parking spaces.
Apparently we now know the french not only supplied weapons to iraq but training for their army. At least the training was good and their success on the battlefield was every bit as good as the french.

Aha

The area where the UN headquarter is installed is not part of the United-states.
I guess the US thought it would be a good idea to provide the land to the UN to be able to control it more easily.

mjlarkinssr

I red the article you mention in the Pittburgh tribune: Nothing new there.

France as built the Osirak nuclear power station and has provided nuclear material to Irak.This was for non military purposes (as explained in the article)before the gulf war .
There is no secret there. It looks like you are just rewriting history in you own way and that you are just starting to find out that you are not alone in the world.

France, Germany, Russia, and the US have also all provided Irak with military equipments before the gulf war. The US was specially frendly with Saddam because of the war with Iran.
Did they show you the images of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam on CNN?

I also red the article about a possible conflict with North Korea in the Pittburg tribune. North Korea is threatning war and wants to start testing nuclear weapons. They look a lot more dangerous than Irak to me. If Americans are not convinced yet I'm sure Bush will say they are linked with Al Quaeda.

By the way,we also have nuclear weapons. So maybe we are not so irrelevant after all.

As for my English friend Mr tindall. He should be aware that Bush is frendly with England at this point because they are the only nation who agreed to participate in the war. I can't wait to see the comments here about England when they dare to disagree with US policy.
Oy! wana cupa freedom tea govnor?.

TO:
frogwatch
If Americans are not convinced yet I'm sure Bush will say they are linked with Al Quaeda.
________________________
Al-Quade in Iraq...

SALMON PAK ....WE already know and have known

by the way

ps

Weapons-Grade Plutonium Found at Iraqi Nuke Complex

Thursday, April 10, 2003

BAGHDAD, Iraq ó U.S. Marines may have found weapons-grade plutonium in a massive underground facility discovered beneath Iraq's Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex,

jp

U.S marines MAY have found?
OK let's wait to see if it is really plutonium and then I will agree with you.

frog crotch wrote:

The area where the UN headquarter is installed is not part of the United-states.

By the way,we also have nuclear weapons. So maybe we are not so irrelevant after all.

Susan says:

As for the LAND the U.N. sits on, not being 'ours', fine, keep it. Just don't set your cowardly feet on any OTHER part of our soil. From now on, live, eat, and breath there, we will draw a chalk line around it for you!

As for your 'little' threat about having nuclear weapons, any coward can have a gun, but it takes intestinal fortitude, (GUTS, a word that can't be translated into french), to USE it!

Puh-leeeeze believe! france is on our watch list!

Okay Jonah you funny maybe if I smack you one time with sandal you get a big clue. Ooglay has been smacked with more sandals then anyone in any Palace ever and he is knowing all about the insultingness of it. Also maybe I am to be comming to live in London now if I want to.

Because hey Frogwatch where is the Foreign Legion your spineless president is promising my Glorious Father for whom Allah taught the birds to sing? Maybe you will be pretending that you are stupid, but Ooglay goes to French Sore Bone University and knows french people as smart as Ooglay just not so pretty!

Back to Diaries!

The Sovereignty of the United States supercedes any and all claims to land the United Nations might own.

AHA writes:

The Sovereignty of the United States supercedes any and all claims to land the United Nations might own.

Amen! Ditto dude! Who started the idea that the United States of America has to get a 'green light' from ANYONE to deal with our own affairs- domestic and/or foreign????

I know that it had to be some liberal somewhere that was afraid we might 'offend' someone!!! The Founding Fathers foresaw this problem of the 'tyrannical minority'- we are so afraid to offend 'one' that in avoiding the 'one' we offend the majority!!!!!

ie- the Pledge of Allegiance being unconstitutional- give me a break!!!

You will need the green light of France EVERYTIME
you ask for a UN resolution wether you like it or not.
You and your government will have to be a little more respectfull of France if you want our cooperation.

Hey mjlarkinssr, Coffee is right about the left having better jokes.

For instance: Clinton, Gore, Sheen.....

See, the list of jokes is endless.

BTW froggy - maybe you need to realize that America doesn't give a S**T if we have france's cooperation. I mean, really, what could you really help us with. I just don't see a need for white flags in our kick-but military.

What's fun is watching you frenchies tripping over yourselves trying to congratulate the Iraqi citizens for their freedoms and begging to be allowed to help rebuild.

If you want to help rebuild, good for you. But don't expect to use funds supplied by the U.S. Donate your own money you cheepskate.

robert

Does the word VETO remind you of something? We are a PERMANENT member of the security council.
For the rest, read my above posts.

And your VETO didn't mean crap over the last 21 days. Just how did this "power" stop us from liberating Iraq?

As for your other posts - mine is correct. France is trying to gain construction contracts. Do you deny this?

Who needs french cooperation? Like we did THIS TIME? We boot the UN, it is FRANCE who will need not only a pot to pee in but the permission from the US to do so. -Oh, but wait, you people don't even pee in pots...just use a hole in the ground like any third world country. Who wants to be respectful of a country that is so declasse as to desecrate the graves of the people who liberated you? A country that is so backwater that they STILL haven't closed the Maginot Line (just in case the Germans want to hike around it again) or cleared the mines up from WWI? You people are gonna have to take a lesson from Madonna and reinvent yourselves. Since she is already lives in the UK (sorry guys...you didn't do anything bad enough to deserve that, but we are glad she's gone!), you might get some ideas. And no, froqqycrotch, we are not scared....be respectful? Oh, don't make me laugh....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Twirpy little cockroach.....

Just thought of something.....

I read that the German embassy in Iraq was looted (hooray!)

I was wondering if the french still have an embassy there. If so, should we allow the Iraqi citizens to loot it as well.... and then hang a white flag on it?

I don't deny that France is trying to get construction contracts and I don't agree we should get involved exept for oil contracts(As explained in my above posts).

I am happy that Saddam is gone. It doesn't mean I agree with this war. There are more serious threats in the world than a bunch of Irakis armed with pop-guns.

Do you think the rest of the world sees the US when you hear the kind of idiotic macho comments this cricket is posting ? I have seen them so many times here that I don't pay attention to them any more.

Frogger,
We are (unless we decide to pull out of the UN and ask them to leave New York) also permanent members of the UN security counsel. We can do "tit for tat." Anything that France wants the counsel to approve has to have our vote.
And thanks to Chirac's attitude and actions the past few months, we might not be feeling so co-operative.
And before you start in about this being petty, look in a mirror.

And yes, there are more serious threats than the now toppled regime of Saddam Hussein.
Give us a little time, we'll get to them when we are done in Iraq.

Jonah8208
I hope you read the post of cricket. There is a hint of how gratefull your American friends are for having the British in the coalition.

I'll be the first one to say that I'm usually not a real supporter of Blair. I think he's closer to Clinton than Bush in many areas (Politically - not morally). However, I suspect that he was one of the few leaders Bush could trust to give classified information to before this war started. That's why he went against his own party to stick by Bush in this instance. He knew the reasons for it would become public soon enough.

When this war is over, the U.S. and Britton will still be at odds over several issues. But we stick together over the items that truely matter. If france wasn't so busy kissing Saddam's a@@ over the last 12 years to get oil contracts, maybe they could stand up for things too.

Froqqrotch,
Again, you just prove my point. It is documented that the french desecrated the graves of British veterans.
And I think you miss the mark on that one. We are grateful for the support and alliance of The UK The British and Americans liberated France, and had no problem leaving the country...but again your memory is short. I have friends who were stationed there in the 1960s and had to leave everything in the middle of the night and FLEE.
They never got their property back and were not compensated for it by france...so when you speak of gratitude, just remember that you misread the post
and that we do not care for french input. Not because it disagreed with policy, but because it was rude, obnoxious and intended to be disrespectful. Even the Ivory Coast residents supported the Americans against france. Saw the pics, carrying big signs...

And if my comments are what you have heard so many times before on this site, then why do you keep coming back for more? I certainly don't go to french sites and post pro America opinions on them.

Not only that, you paid enough attention to what I said about the graves desecration to not even get it right in your post to Jonah.

Mr Frogwatch:

My father used to threaten me, back when I was young and foolish, with this threat: I'm gonna kick your a** up around your shoulder blades.

Your father, apparently not only threatened you with that line, but apparently carried out that threat.

I know that France has Nuclear weapons, with technology probably given to them by Russia, which stole the technology from the USA.

The article in the Pittsburgh paper was about weapons-grade plutonium, not low grade stuff.
A follow-up article says that they are still investigating.

The biggest surprise in the article was discovering the underground facility, since Mr Hans magoo couldn't find any underground facility
the last 4 times he was there.

The fact that France is now 25% Muslim worries me.
I personally do not want a nuclear radical Muslim country.

BTW: you look pretty silly looking with your A** up around your shoulder blades

Frog:

Yes, the word VETO does remind me of something.

The sight of the American tanks making the THUNDER RUN to Baghdad, for one, which made fools out of you French and your UN cronies, for another. Let's go for a third; the sight of you French and your UN cronies wringing your hands and flapping your gums in fear of the certain knowledge of what we'd find.....

cricket

here is an interesting question:

"And if my comments are what you have heard so many times before on this site, then why do you keep coming back for more? I certainly don't go to french sites and post pro America opinions on them."

The truth is, I don't necessarily agree with Chirac's policy either. In fact, my opinion was that we should go to war with Irak after the inspectors were kiked out of Irak in 1998.
But I agree with Chirak that since the inspectors were allowed back, they should have been given more time and power of investigation.

If you knew me, you would know that I am far from being anti-American. I post on this site because people like you can't stand people who don't agree with them and conclude they are Anti-Americans.
Basically, you are saying I should stick to French sites where everybody agree with me? Where is the fun there? On top of it, I can practice my English.
France is not like Peter Arnett, You can't fire Chirac because he doesn't agree with you.And you can't stop foreign people from expressing their opinion here.

mjlarkinssr

France is 6% Muslim. Pakistan has more than 70 Million people, is a 90% muslim country and has nuclear weapons. Again you are picking the wrong target.

PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE BY CLICKING INTO MY NAME..

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France is Almost Finished
By Guy Milliere
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 10, 2003
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Dearest frog crotch:

You wrote:

Does the word VETO remind you of something? We are a PERMANENT member of the security council.

Susan says:

Have you ever heard of a Husband/Wife, who heard NO, (i.e. Veto), one too many times, and decided to get a Divorce, (i.e. pull out of the U.N.), thereby making the spouse, (i.e. france, germany, russia), a NON-ISSUE anymore?

Since you are here, trying to improve your English, I hope none of this is over your little head.

Did you notice Guy Milliere is a French name?
I suspect this guy or his ancestors had to move the US to flee French justice.

As for his article: It's just wishfull thinking in a trashy one sided web magazine.He does not even get his statistics right.

This Front page magazine is a shame.
Did you see their stupid e-mail petition called:
"expose the enemy within". Doesn't that remind you of the whitch hunt you had when people could not get jobs just because they were suspected of being communists?

frogwatch,

To be awaken from a french illusion is difficult.

The truth really hurts.

Doing anything without France is like scuba diving without a Buick.

In the last few months I feel like I was awaken from an American illusion. My eyes are wide open now.

Froqqwatch:
Whether you disagree with me or not is not the issuue. It is the arrogance, the obnoxiousness and general disregard of the people you are posting to
that I take issue with. You post here because you seem to delight in contention, rather than a genuine persuasion. I do conclude that you are anti american
because some of your comments posted here have led me and others to believe it.

I choose not to go to french sites because of the America bashing that I have seen, been sent links to and have decided it isn't worth it. Not because I would feel outnumbered, but because of the prevailing narrow mindedness, empirical superiority
of which france accuses America of and who has blatantly shown by their politics and policies that france has to be number one. In other words, frog dude, france accuses us of what they themselves are guilty of, but have not the chutzpah to do it for themselves, but need the UN to do it and lend a form of legitimacy to it...since majority rules.

Freud had a name for what france is doing: It is called projection, or blaming someone else for doing the same thing.

If you want to have a genuine dialogue, remember that you will have to tone down the arrogance and answer the questions that are posed to you. People have been more than patient with you and all you can do is quote rather than come up with the facts or a reasoned statement. When you practice some courtesy, given your stance, you might get some back. Think about it.

I do not have the power to stop you or anyone else from posting here, but the blogowner does, since he owns the site. However, you have some choices too, and one of them is to get off your unstable soapbox and act like a decent human being with some manners instead of a gauche liberal. If you have read nothing but idiotic macho comments from many people, it is because that is how rude you are, so open season on frogs has been declared. If you can dish it out frogfella, you can take it.

Hm. Interesting. Mob rule in a democracy. Just read the article by Milliere. Of course frog face, he would have to leave France for publishing the truth about a decaying socialist society. How dare he tell the truth about france? I don't think his statistics are way off, since the only one he actually gave numbers for was the war.

Leads me to believe, frog, that you ARE a knee jerk
liberal who doesn't read and think about what you
just read, you just react to it. I think it took courage and insight and LOVE and patriotism to speak out like that.

And it seems that he has done his research in getting the public records, as he has spotted this trend for a couple of decades. He is telling it like it is, and instead of addressing the points you take issue with, you call it one sided. It isn't one sided, any more than any other article would be, when a point has to be proven.

But instead of relying on rhetoric or logic, he is using empirical evidence to prove it, and you are so narrow minded you can't see that? Thank goodness my family fled before the Edict of Nantes was revoked.

frogwatch,

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French Justice?

You have got to be kidding.Do You mean Devils Island, or shooting French Foreign Legion soldiers in the back for retreating forward into their desert fortresses ?

I would sooner find a four leaf clover in the Sahara, or a frenchman that had the moral fortitude not to attack dead English Soldiers in historical monuments. Ahh,.. the moral ineptitude of the "White Powdered Wig Wearing Socialist". I laugh at the many different flavorings of cake, they offer to the poor oppressed French starving peasants.

Speaking of PrÈnoms franÁais,has anyone seen the expression on Putins face lately? He looks like a man that has just swallowed a bad slice of French egotistical fromage.

You make me laugh...I laugh again.....and again....and finally I laugh, only to be followed by laughter at your next posting.

I also laugh at American justice after watching the OJ Simpson trial.
And this story about defacing a historical moniment is getting old.

frogwatch:

YOU ARE A BORN LOSER !!!!!

frogwatch:

LIKE THE REST OF YOUR COUNTRY !!!!

Mr Milliere is a teacher in a Parisian University and also at Stanford in California. And he is the one who says that French students don't learn anything ? That's funny.
It's obvious in his article that Mr Milliere has a very high opinion of himself and that that he thinks he is intellectually way above the common French person. Mr Milliere does not support any party in France:no one is good enough for him.
Some of the comments of his students can be seen on the web and are confirming this.

Mr Milliere is mad because there are millions of muslims in France. He reminds me of Californians moving to Seattle because they don't like Mexicans.
He is a strong supporter of the Isrealis:

http://harissa.com/D_forum/Israel/leuropealache.htm

In the above article he explains that Israel does not invade Palestinian territories because, I quote: “The palestinian people does not exist”.

There are many muslims in France because of our history with North Africa. What does he suggest? That Mr Chirac ask them to go away? and Mr Charon ask the Palestinians to live in another dimention?

Let's return to basic reality:

The only two places in Irak that are safe,guarded by US troops and have not been looted are :the ministry of oil and the oil fields near Kirkuk.
Doesn't that tell you something?

This reminds me of old movies where Aliens had to colonise earth because they had used all the resources on their planet.
The average amount of energy used by an American is double the amount used by a European. And we are using 75% Nuclear power for electricity in France.
You will need to find a new Irak in 10 years to be able to continue at this rate.

Mr. Milliere teaches students to think then. If he does not join a political party in france, I am pretty sure it is because there isn't one that is in alignment with what he believes would help france.

Immigration, taxes and a welfare state that takes and gives nothing back. He is not against Muslims being in france, what he is decrying is the lawlessness of their behavior and that the state is letting them get away with it. They are behaving exactly as they would in North Africa.

For all your liberal points froqqy, why do you show no remorse for the young women who were killed and raped? Your fellow countrywomen? Where is your outrage over how they were treated? What would have been a similar sentence for a native non muslim frenchman/woman?

He is also teaching them something about the law and economics. You say that you have no problem with the fact that france wants rebuilding contracts. FYI, the Americans are at the fields in Kirkuk at the TURKS request, whick I don't think we should honor, as they did NOTHING to assist in
this war. NOTHING.

Check your facts. And you did very well with toning down the rudeness. Bring it down another 50 notches and you might get someone else to respond.

It seems to me that we have both toned down the rudeness. Would you answer courteously someone who call you a "Twirpy little cockroach"?.
But as I said, I know I will get this kind of stuff here and I get hot tempered too sometimes.
I wonder what Mr Milliere would think about the comments here though since he is also French.

I don't excuse people who killed and raped those women. But crimes take place all the time in this world. What do you want me to say? That raping women and defacing tombs are normal social activities in France?

In the US the majority of murders and rapes are comited by black people and latinos. Does it mean Latin America and Africa are Anti-American.

Okay. We agree to stop the sniping. Olive branch accepted. No, the countries are not anti American, but we are talking about the rule of law and applying across the board, taking into consideration knowledge of the culture of the country.

While it may be a cultural issue to treat women a certain way, say in Tangiers, it doesn't follow that the same is accepted in France, because there are laws that protect its citizens. Understanding the country in which one lives and educating them to be assimilated in the society is a start toward lifting their behavior up and getting them away from the degraded state they were living in.

Consider it an enlightenment in terms of how western cultures should treat one another.

I am from California by way of Arizona and have lived in Europe and traveled pretty extensively.
While there were some things that were culturally accepted in Germany, they definately would only be legal in certain parts of the US, if they were legal at all.

So, as a guest of the command, and an unofficial representative of the United States, I observed but did not pass judgement because it was not my home, although I lived there. I have German friends
and I am able to share discussions with them about the state of things in Germany. And we are seeing things across the board that are similar in France, Germany and the US. It isn't anti country as much as it is lawlessness and no accountability for their actions from the nation or county in which they live.

So, having said that, it is also not anti immigrant or racial or ethnic bias but a desire that if these people truly want a better life, then they need to be held accountable to the laws of the nation.

Where this became problematic for me is that dh was in the miitary and I was not. I assumed, not having any cultural classes or residence classes to attend, that the Ten Commandments were the basis of their legal system and lived accordingly. I never had a problem, and I even learned to speak a good passable German. At least I was never treated as an auslander.

But it was incumbent on me to be proactive in being able to get along in a country not my own, where the only legal status I had was the military status of forces agreement. As a result, I had a great time in Europe, and while I saw much that I did not like, I would not have missed it for the world.
And that was many years ago and I still correspond with my German friends...so you see, it is a two way street. I have found that the better educated a foreign resident is, the better they assimilate into the culture.

frogwatch,

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In the US the majority of murders and rapes are comited by black people and latinos. Does it mean Latin America and Africa are Anti-American.

Do you not see in your comments why no one likes the French? First of all it isn't correct- second of all it is considerably racist. There is a reason why they are called minorities. Whites are the majority. Murders are bad whoever commits them. The French just give no objection to the ones commited by their despot lovers. Go beat up some more dead soldiers. What smugness from the leftist crepe bakers of Paris...

Also, in talking about minority crimes, many of them are committed by them against their own people. It is rather rare that a crime is committed against one of another race, and unfortunately, that does happen.

Click on my name to go to a letter from, an American in Paris. Keep in mind it's HER opinion, but is a very good letter!

Regarding violent crime statistics in the US:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/race.htm

It's easy to jump to conclusions about people being racist for example,in France, if you say that you are against immigration, people immediatly conclude that you are racist. This is not the case in the US.
Also, I just speak for myself here not the entire French people.

I think the letter that susan mentions is a very good analysis although I do not agree with everything in it.

How would Americans feel if France was the only country to decide what should happen in the world?

It's true that Chirac want's Europe to be united to be able to counter Unilateral decisions of the United-states. Bush and his buddies don't like this.
The European comission in Brussels was against this war. And I agree that the UN needs to be reformed.

I also agree with her opinion on the Mc Donald story, this is just a silly as the "freedom fries" and the boycott of French products.

Before the war, Bush had many meetings with Blair and Aznar, but no one from the US government came to France to try to convince us that the war was necessary.

see also:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Frogwatch,

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Before the war, Bush had many meetings with Blair and Aznar, but no one from the US government came to France to try to convince us that the war was necessary.

The answer is simple "Frogwatch", we had no reason to seek asylum.

I am sorry,
America has taken over
to bad for the do-nothings of the world..
seek and destroy
mmmm could be
wouldnt want to be you ...
and we know who I am talking about

Whichever country pays more for a mighty military and whichever country make the most sacrifices and whichever country feeds more human beings and whichever country works hardest and pays more to help others in the world gets to make the decisions. If you don't like it, then go 'head on and EARN the title "big dog". Otherwise, stay on the porch, and quit your yapping.

Posted by: frogwatch

"How would Americans feel if France was the only country to decide what should happen in the world?"

lets re-state the statement

"How would America feel "if" France was protecting its citizens from attack "

historically speaking ...America would help protect you France its called acting in good faith