March 12, 2003
CIA Leaks Again: Shhh! Don't Tell Bin Laden
(2003-03-12) -- U.S. and Pakistani intelligence authorities are asking the public not to tell Usama bin Laden or any of his followers about all the information they're leaking to global news organizations. Buy "Axis of Weasels," the first book by Scott Ott. $12.95 + S&H; Comments
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The solution isn't to shut up the media, it is to stop telling the media stuff you don't want them to know! The solution isn't to invade countries that have WMD, its to not give them those weapons in the first place! Posted by: Angry_Liberal at March 12, 2003 11:08 PMAnd if they already have WMD, just click your heels three times and repeat "There's no place like home. There's no place like home." and the WMD will be contained and never hurt anyone again. THE END Or were you directing your comment about giving them WMD at france and germany? Are you really an angry_confused_liberal? After all it's not that uncommon. Posted by: Okie Dokie at March 12, 2003 11:50 PMAngry, The remarks in your previous post about carter got me confused; now I'm really confused? Do you always butter both sides of your toast? It's always refreshing to hear the voice of fools like Angry_Liberal. Let's everyone know there still is freedom of speech, no matter how useless their opinion. Posted by: yomobooba at March 13, 2003 03:07 AMAmen Yomo, How boring life would be without these minefield tap dancing dum-dums!! Posted by: lordrobert at March 13, 2003 03:48 AMPosted by: Angry_Liberal on March 12, 2003 11:08 The solution isn't to invade countries that have WMD, its to not give them those weapons in the first place! Well this should be directed at The German and French company's who indeed ( gave those weapons) Dear Angry...we may have by means of conventional weapons slipped a few to a fair weather ..country Message to angry_liberal. Where were you the last administration? Even the ignorant libs admit our greatest threat is from North Korea, and Bubba paying more attention to his zipper than what the North Koreans were doing, is now the result. Try to imagine this is Bubba's voice, "I did NOT have relations with those North Koreans!" You learn something new everyday on Scrappleface. I thought the word "conniption" was just a made up family word or Pennsylvania Dutch or something, but sure enough, it's in the dictionary. Keep up the good work Scott, the whole family is proud! Posted by: scrapplebrother at March 13, 2003 07:52 AMAngry lib, your comments are brilliant and right on the money. Quick, e-mail them to Sheryl Crow (a wholly owned subsidiary of Universal-Vivendi*) so she can repeat them at the next stop on her tour! IRAQ ACQUIRES FRENCH STEALTH TECHNOLOGY In yet another apparent incident of French military know-how being shared with Iraq, reports surfaced today the Iraqis have acquired France's state-of-the-art 'secret surrender' technology ... http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/03/12/sprj.irq.iraq.secret.surrender/ -- Incidentally, angry_liberal, how does your solution work in the current situations of Iraq, North Korea, and Iran? Should we use our time machine? To be honest, this is the most practical liberal proposal on the matter I've heard yet. All the rest just seem to invent murky distractions to disguise the fact that their alternatives to bold action largely amount to doing nothing. But you, angry_liberal, have broken from the pack and truly given us a viable new option. Posted by: Keith at March 13, 2003 09:09 AMBest opinion piece of the week, hands down ... http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003191
I thought when we were finely able to dig our way out of the "leaky" Clinton crowd the "leaks" would dry up. Now you say the CIA is "leaky"?? Angry - Sheryl Crow was spot on with her "don't have enemies" statement and soon we won't have enemies in Iraq. Posted by: Timmy the Wonder Dog at March 13, 2003 11:17 AMthis isn't really related to the comments, but has anyone noticed that the countries that oppose removing a tyranical psychotic dictator are those that have embraced such oppressive regimes,germany had its hitler,france its napolean.the countries that are willing to risk life and limb for freedom are those that lived under a tyrant, or had their freedom threated by one.france doesnt qualify for this point because of that whole vichey thing. also i predict that france will be speaking german in ten years,they're way over do for an invasion (those pesky germans seem to like (need?)to do it a couple of times every century.i dont think we're gonna help them ,well maybe propose some resolutions,but hey ,i can see how well that work ,so to the french, be good boyscouts and get prepared!learn german Posted by: yaleblor at March 13, 2003 11:19 AMDoes everyone remember back during the Clinton administration when they were talking about locating Bin Laden. They said they were able to track his satelite phone, his cell phones etc etc. Lo and behold, after they said that, he stopped using them and we were unable to track his whereabouts. The were the worst leaks. I have said it before and I will say it again, I don't want to know if they are about to catch someone or that they have caught someone. Just take them to an undisclosed location and extract as much intel as possible and then do what they please. A few years after they could say that they found a "grave" of someone and tests confirm it was xx that we were looking for. Problem solved and we don't have to deal with those civil rights a-holes who worry that these terrorists are being denied their rights. My sentiment is that as soon as you are involved in such heinous crimes, your only right is to be beaten bloody and have you mind sucked dry! Angry, Keith, "If all the young people in America were to act as you intend to act, the country would be defenseless and easily delivered into slavery." " ... as, you know, there are "leaks" and then again there are "leaks," just what kind of "leaks" are we talking about here???" We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords. We charge them with deliberately damaging U.S. relations with every state in the Arab world that defies Israel or supports the Palestinian people’s right to a homeland of their own. We charge that they have alienated friends and allies all over the Islamic and Western world through their arrogance, hubris, and bellicosity. Not in our lifetimes has America been so isolated from old friends. Far worse, President Bush is being lured into a trap baited for him by these neocons that could cost him his office and cause America to forfeit years of peace won for us by the sacrifices of two generations in the Cold War. They charge us with anti-Semitism—i.e., a hatred of Jews for their faith, heritage, or ancestry. False. The truth is, those hurling these charges harbor a “passionate attachment” to a nation not our own that causes them to subordinate the interests of their own country and to act on an assumption that, somehow, what’s good for Israel is good for America. Posted by: we charge at March 13, 2003 11:53 AMYou are probably right, zzebu. Please calm down though, and don't shout too loud because we don't need the Dems to figure this out any time soon. Remember, these people thought they lost in November because "they didn't get their message out to the people". Yaleblor, you make good points too. Why won't the French, Germans, and Russians join us to stop this mustache wearing, anti-semitic, fascist, Stalin look-alike? What's the attraction? But wait a minute...I haven't heard from the Germans lately... Posted by: greyhawk at March 13, 2003 11:54 AMWow, we charge, you got a mouse in your pocket? Posted by: greyhawk at March 13, 2003 11:56 AM
It is rather unlikely that they would be convicted, though. All their defense attorney would have to ask is, "You mean to tell me that you actually believed a politician told the truth when he said he would keep a secret?" Dream clean, Ashcroft is watching. ;-) Posted by: Gorn! at March 13, 2003 12:07 PMlet's think about this "leak" folks... Dear All, IF FOREIGNERS got windy about the prospects for share and property prices and stopped buying, or began to withdraw some of the trillions they have invested in the US economy, then the dollar would collapse. Already, it has fallen nearly 10 per cent against the euro over the last six weeks, but that could just be the beginning. Economists at the Federal Reserve have estimated that the dollar needs to fall by 30 per cent to bring the flow of imports and exports into balance, but in today's markets such a fall doesn't happen gradually. It happens precipitately. If America and Britain spurn a second UN Resolution and go to war with the active opposition of key members of the Security Council like France and Russia, be sure the flow of dollars into the US will slow down dramatically, and be sure there will be a stampede of foreigners trying to sell. Shares on Wall Street that Bush is so anxious to prop up are still massively overvalued. Against this background, there could be a devastating sell-off, with all the depressing knock-on consequences for American consumer confidence and business investment.
"The solution isn't to shut up the media, it is to stop telling the media stuff you don't want them to know!" mmmuuahahahahahahahaha, hahahahahahahah, You are so angry "Lib" that you didn't even get Scotts joke... cuz YOU are it. We WANT you to know. Double dare you Frenchie... You might get an eductaion after all. Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 13, 2003 12:50 PMI like Angry Liberal's way of dealing with rogue nation's weapons of mass destruction. Don't give them to them in the first place. This is like telling your pregnant daughter that the solution to her dilemma is to not get pregnant in the first place. Eminently workable solution, don't you think? Posted by: Joseph at March 13, 2003 01:00 PMWell, since you have been soooo polite by keep asking us to Pleeeease Believe, Frank, okay. I do. I'll match Phrog and raise you 5. So nice of you to threaten us after the billions we pumped into your economy after WWII. By the way, who do you really think would win that poker game? I know you think Chirac controls the EU (or is attempting to), but well, you still have to get Spain and Italy and oh yeah, those pesky Eastern bloc nations on board with your plan to divert investment dollars to such sure-deals as say, Peugeot, Evian and other staples of the American consumer. Posted by: Pooke at March 13, 2003 01:10 PMNice theory, Frenchie, the only problem is that the vast majority of investors of any sort keep their money where the risks are lowest for an acceptable return. Not many want to gamble on the future of trusting the governments of other countries to keep their capital safe. So where are these funds going to go, into French bonds? When Iraq is free and can default on the 8 billion they owe for French duplicity, what will happen to the French economy? So will they run to Germany, who is on the brink of depression for their embracement of socialist handouts to too many of their non-workers? Into the safe haven of Russian banking (an oxymoron)? The Russian mafia is probably a safer investment, but currently they are not accepting any more outside funding. You need to go back and play some more mental-masturbation before spouting off your big mouth! Posted by: Chad at March 13, 2003 01:14 PMgreyhawk, Um, doesn't effective parody require a basic grasp of that which is being parodied? The Onion, for instance, is funny because it nails the style and tone of news writing, right down to the little nuances. Perhaps a quick news-writing course and an AP stylebook would help you construct more successful news satire. I always enjoy a good chuckle when idiots like frenchman attempt to sway public opinion by bastardizing economics 101. For example, what law of economics states that imports and exports must balance? Balance of trade is an accounting ledger that is always balanced by inflows and outflows of money - duh. Your stampede of foreigners looking to sell? Nice try, Frenchman, in time of war or global uncertainty worldwide capital flows into safe havens, and THE safest haven is US Treasury Bills. The massive purchases of US Treasuries will LOWER US interest rates and will help our economy get back on its feet. The re-building job to be done in Iraq will NOT be undertaken by french firms but instead American firms will get the business. This rebuilding will be financed by Iraq via sales of their oil. Again using simple supply/demand analysis the increase in supply will dramatically lower oil prices, further boosting the US economy, encouraging the flow of worldwide capital to the US Market. All in all a rather rosy scenario for the US economy. "Please believe" frenchman, I believe your countryman would shed tears rather than blood to defend your fellow man. I believe that your countryman willfully ignore the threats of radical islam and hope to buy peace a la Vichy france. I believe your country's intransigence at the UN is the result of a massive cover-up of illegal arm sales to Iraq. I believe the sooner our boys liberate Bahgdad the sooner the truth will come forth. I believe you can go back to your foul smelling bistros where the unemployed lounge about sipping coffee, smoking cigarettes and spouting anti-US sewage. I believe your illogical, intemperate and vacuuous postings are the epitome of french arrogance. I believe your countryman don't work, won't fight and can't stand those who do. I believe your countryman should visit a WW2 cemetery and reflect on all those US boys who saved france. That's what I believe. Your pathetic little country's 15 minutes of fame are almost up. Next week the world will no longer focus on france, but on the liberation of Iraq instead. The freedom train has left the station, frenchman, and france missed the train. Good bye, Frenchman. Posted by: tom at March 13, 2003 02:28 PMFrenchman - good point. Let's forget about doing what is right - freeing the Iraqi people and stopping a lunatic dictator - because what is more important is the American stock market. Pleeease. Give me a break. Posted by: Rob at March 13, 2003 02:56 PMWait! Wait. A French person is giving us advice on our economy? hahahaha snort, cough hahaha! Posted by: Mikey at March 13, 2003 03:22 PMWait! Wait. The GDP of France is the same as California! It's not even the size of Texas! Worst of all it is full of French people! Maybe Frenchperson wants us to be like.. California - Hey maybe we can ship Gray Davis to France? hahahahahaha. Posted by: Mikey at March 13, 2003 03:30 PMThis is a mass message to every liberal I can find. Regardless of what topic, I am now going to reduce myself to the likes of Frenchy, and post this massive letter everywhere I can in an open effort to be heard. (Just kidding, I refuse to beat myself in the head with an aluminum bat to get to his level) I wrote this the morning of 3/10/03 in response to some Liberals who are going to disrupt the American way of life if one shot is fired. "Funny how this illustrates perfectly the difference of those who claim to protect the American Citizen's (Police, but even we have to have someone watching them) from those who actually do (Our Armed Services, GO Boys!!!!)." "It's amazing that people such as yourself are still allowed to breathe the same air as NORMAL human beings. How can you want peace and not want Saddam ousted??? The two are directly related. Terrorism and Peace are the exact opposite. You need to learn what you're doing is exactly wrong. How can you reach the peace you claim to want by disrupting America??? How is that going to cause peace. At least by supporting our president and military, I am not going to have veterans spitting on me, like they will you. You deserve it. You should be glad you're not planning this on my side (Atlanta)of the United States, for I would stop you. You people are the reason for 9/11. By you wanting peace and equality for all terrorists, regardless of what they have done or will do, you have allowed the terrorists to come here and destroy part of our life. And NOW you want to do the same thing??? How do you not call yourself Terrorists??? That's what you are. Now, IF the terrorists strike the United States again, I'm going to hold you personally responsible, for you did nothing to prevent it. Also, by you creating domestic terrorism, I hold you liable for treason against the United States of America, by Article III of the Constitution. You are making the terrorists comfortable by your actions. IF we EVER get touched again by another terrorist hand, much like the ones you support, then will you still cry for peace? I heard no such cry when the Twin Towers fell. Why not? When we get another terrorist attack here in the United States, will you go to jail for being ABSOLUTELY WRONG???? No. Unfortunately, you get to spout your liberal *BS* and have no consequences. NONE. But we regular people of the United States who support our president's CORRECT actions, have no recourse against you either. Even though ALL NORMAL AMERICAN's want you hung for your treason, in town square, in front of everyone. You have no consequences, whatsoever by causing domestic terrorism. I want it stopped. I want you stopped. You're the same type of human being that bashes Bush for wanting to bomb Iraq, but said nothing when Clinton did it to avoid media pressure for his personal indiscretions. You are a horrible human being and a rotten American. Overall, you need to shut your mouth and go be a human shield. And I pray our armed forces don't miss. Because I know when they get back, they'll beat your butt, too. You guys are all WRONG. But you refuse to be held liable for your terrorism, Anti-Americanism, and treason. You are all cowards. I challenge you to an open debate, and you're not allowed to bring opinions, only facts. I don't want to hear what you think. I want to hear what you know. I'm sure it's very little and I'm more than positive you can not persuade me to your peacenik, *BS* reasoning. Accept my challenge you cowards." Dusty. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/opinion/13SAFI.html more treachery from the french, selling solid rocket fuel in violation of the UN embargo. may the liberation of Iraq begin by landing (once again) on the shores of Normandy Posted by: tom at March 13, 2003 04:31 PMI don't know about you all, but I'm sick of listening to the same old retoric from the Left. The only good thing coming out of this is that they are showing their true colors and hopefully more people will see that during the next elections (we know they did during the last 2). As for Frenchman, he has proved time and time again that he has no idea what in the sam hell he is talking about. That goes for Angry Lib and French Fried Potato-head also. They argue for the sake of arguing and they are allowed their point of views. We all know that if this was a true darwinian survival of the fittest/smartest, they would have been lion bait. Posted by: Justin at March 13, 2003 05:49 PMFrenchman, please, you know that the more intellegent people of the site will just shout you down when you try and be smart, so just watch, and agree with our right views. Maybe then, just maybe, you will see the light and come out of your ignorant darkness. Posted by: Paul C. Tindall at March 13, 2003 07:25 PMPaul - Frenchie might have just seen Chiraq's latest veto threat: "In an interview with two television news anchormen in the ornate Ambassadors' Room of the ElysÈe Palace, with French and European flags crossed behind him, President Jacques Chirac has made his position on the French veto clear. It means that whatever amendments are made to the British-American-Spanish draft resolution there can now be no formal UN approval for an invasion of Iraq. M. Chirac said he believed that the resolution would not, in any case, gain the nine votes out of 15 it needs to pass the Security Council. If that situation changed, he said, "then, at that moment, France will vote no". Frenchie either believes France has won and the US will be prevented from attacking Iraq (an utterly illogical position) "waiting for the dust to settle" wrote: Keith -- the best solution I can see for Iran is to re-open relations with the elected reform government, ignoring the religious mullahs. Sure, they might still have the power at the moment, but a truly capable president could steer Iran to a modern, fully democratic government faster than he could conquer Iraq and institute the same. (Too bad we haven't had a truly capable president running for the last couple of elections, eh?) Justin -- nice idea, except for the fact that it's blatantly illegal and completely immoral. Suppose that sinking to the level of the terrorists doesn't bother some of you. "Joseph" wrote: "Dusty" wrote: Yeah but don't you get it Blue Ninja ? You are not a true Democrat if you don't just vote AGAINST the Right? right? or maybe you can be the first Demo.. to actually define what a Democrat really is? All I can tell is that its a moving target that is always drifting in the general direction of Left. The whole agenda... is the art of being unreasonable, in an attempt to move the center to the left. It's never a firm position, and its never enough. They want more laws and more limitations applied evenly and fairly. (by someone else and to everyone except them.) You don't drive an SUV by any chance? Posted by: Phrog Poet at March 14, 2003 04:08 AMI just read Frenchman's post expressing his take on the economic price of a war between USA and Iraq without the permission of France and Russia. It was interesting, and, I suppose, even possibly correct; however, I think there are elements missing from his equation. First, is he the only mind capable of considering this angle? Second, perhaps this is the purgative that our economy needs to cut its dependence on foreign investment. Third, many economists believe that this type of "day of reckoning" is on the horizon anyway and there is no course of action that will prevent it. And finally, even if this economic freefall is the price of acting with principle, of keeping our word, of preventing a major threat from becoming a major tragedy, and of extricating us from the smothering tentacles of the self-castrated UN, isn't it worth it? Posted by: Joseph at March 14, 2003 09:32 AMHey Blue, I think you are struggling at a point in your life (I'd guess no older then 35, you did say you remember being a teenager;) where you are beginning the inevitable transformation from self-centered liberal views (ex: how can I make this event work best for me?) to more broad scale concerns of the typical modern conservative (ex: what does this mean for the future of the world? How can I help?) This transformation takes the form of a quest for knowledge that inevitably led you to consevative web forums. Stick around a while and welcome aboard, brave pioneer. We're here to help you! Dear Rob, Quotation : good point. Let's forget about doing what is right - freeing the Iraqi people and stopping a lunatic dictator - because what is more important is the American stock market. Pleeease. Give me a break. Answer: This war is NOT about "freeing the Iraqi people and stopping a lunatic dictator". This war is about OIL. Posted by: Frenchman at March 14, 2003 11:42 AMhistorically the US economy has always done better during and after war. WWII got us out of the Great Depression. Korea kept us going and Viet Nam provided employment and industry advance never seen before. Who cares if the french take there money. Posted by: Darth Chef at March 14, 2003 12:52 PMGlobal economy is a complicated animal. One big pie, and ours is the largest slice, but it's still the same pie. Remember how the rest of the world followed us down after 911? I don't think we'll follow the French/Russian economies into the toilet after this Iraq thing, but we will downturn. If the then starving French actually revolt against corrupt leadership next month, anything could happen. Probably end up with a conservative govt, and presto, we've restored decency to France and Iraq in one shot. Meanwhile, as all hell breaks loose in Chechnya, the bankrupt Russians beg for our help... Posted by: greyhawk at March 14, 2003 01:50 PMWelcome back Frenchman. We have missed you. For a second I thought everyone had shot all the fish in the barrel. I'm glad you re-stocked it. First of all, you are right in that this war is about oil. Namely, the French are voting against saving Iraqi lives because they want it. "Iraqi blood for French oil" should be the battle cry of peace protestors everywhere. (That or "inspections forever", but I digress) Second, your theories on economics are just a littel primative. Tom has it right that, in times of greater risk, money flows to save investments. As much as you may hate it, the U.S. bonds reign supreme. What do you think people will do - invest in German bonds right when their economy is a month away from being officially declared to be in a recession? But hey, thanks for stopping by, we needed more fish. Posted by: Robert at March 14, 2003 03:15 PM"Hey Blue, I think you are struggling at a point in your life..." Good call greyhawk! I liked what Blue said even if he is a demo - I think he might just have an active and working facility for synchronious discharge of electroneurons! Da brain dat is! He's got potential, that boy! Posted by: zzebu at March 14, 2003 04:38 PMFrenchman Once again, a fact is presented to you. If you want to come up with other arguments, please reference some CREDIBLE sources if not go and hide for awhile longer and mull over our superiour inteligence (to use your words...)! Posted by: Justin at March 14, 2003 05:54 PMTO FRENCHMAN: TO FRENCHMAN and one more thing your not even in Francee your in America.... aol.com ooo - did we let the F-man get away with a "2nd resolution" comment? whoops! Will pay closer attention. Eighteen and counting, F-man, 18 and counting!!! Posted by: greyhawk at March 16, 2003 03:32 AMThis war is NOT about "freeing the Iraqi people and stopping a lunatic dictator". This war is about OIL and POWER. Oui Qui monsewer! French oil and French power! Frenchy/Joseph, Do all of your theories on economics derive from a desire for self-flagellation? You have been watching the stock market in the last few days, where anyone in the world who reads the news has concluded the US and its allies will go it alone? Anyone care to point out and comment on the record gain over Friday and Monday? It is clear the US will go forward and win this war. Investors are swarming in to reap the benefits of an economy which has now established itself as a political and legal authority with a guaranteed source of fossile fuel to power its massive economy, which is ready to burst once confidence has been restored. Regardless of whether or not we are hated, everyone loves money. Posted by: Comrade at March 18, 2003 03:32 AMThe Wall Street Journal reports that the Pentagon has already tapped Halliburton (the Vice President's old company) Industry analysts figure Halliburton and other US firms could share $1.5 billion in contracts. Posted by: Halliburton at March 18, 2003 09:50 AM |
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