Simply amazing. No....The liberal left doesn't WANT the regular Americans to "have to think, or to read books." We might learn enough reasons to spit on these celebrities, and tell them to take that paycheck and shove it.
Who the hell are these arrogant people who think our existence is pitiful without them. Do we NEED people who look better than us??? Isn't that the problem we have with our young women's self-esteem when they can't make themselves look like that super model or celebrity? Isn't the popularization of divorce by these celebrities actually causing distress in the American Family System???? No one who seems smarter or tougher????? The last time I checked, the only person I fear getting into a debate with is Lisa Kudrow. She may play a dumb blonde, but she has a degree in biology, so she must have a brain. No one to pay $10,000 for a dress they wear once??? That must be nice. Don't think even my future wife will have that much for a dress...(LOL) Who will make us laugh or cry???? Are you kidding?!?!?!?!? Life does that, not you celebrities. The only reason people laugh or cry is because you (celebrities)immitate us, not the other way around.
Oh no...and please, whatever you liberal pukes do, pretty please, don't interrupt my favorite show with the truth. I'm sorry...that would be unbearable. I don't know if I could handle having current events in the world taking precidence (sp?) over a made-up tv show. Tell them the only reality we need to see is the feelings in your heart when you see a celebrity do something you can only dream of?? Hey you stingy celebrities....Why don't you share??? If we can only dream of it, and we pay ALL OF YOUR SALARIES, then why don't you share to make things a bit more even. I mean, afterall, we're nothing without you.....Oh wait....That's backwards, that should be You're nothing without us. You need to start to realize that certain truth.

Overall, I can't believe that the actors could have enough gall to put an ad out like this....Only the most retarded people of America can agree with it, to all others, it's a slap in the face with the actors basically calling us their own personal sheep.

Too much wrong in this world right now.

Dusty.

For those who do not know these books yet, I strongly recommand to read ASAP :

Thucydides (The History of the Peloponnesian War)
Tacitus (The Annals)
Niccolo Macchiavelli (The Prince).

They then will be more capable to talk with Grown up persons.

Reading List for Frenchy...

While there are quite a few books you should focus on outside of the classics, here's a book that you should definitely check out:

Open Society and Its Enemies, Carl Popper

There'll be a quiz on that next week.

Frenchie!!!

Why must you post the same simple "grown-up" comments across many threads?? Is that your one line for the day and now you must think of something new? How can you not read that and NOT see that they're slapping you in the face? Are you new? How old are you? I don't think you have a single concept of "grown-up" life that you claim to know so much about. I think overall knowledge across a wide variety of subjects weighs more than your three books you have there. I'll debate you on anything, anytime, and anyplace. Heck, I'll even let you choose the side you want to debate first and I'll take the rebuttal, and STILL show you that you have much to learn.

Astonished by Frenchie's un-originality.

Dusty.

Lib Reporting Alert! Ron Allen and MSNBC editors.

Ron Allen, a NBC News Correspondent, clearly confuses the Iraqi Gov't with the people of Iraq. He must be confusing a ruthless dictatorship with a representative gov't like his own. If you follow the link below, you'll read Iraqi propaganda reported as representative of people's thoughts in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/883320.asp?0bl=-0

Here is an example of a Ron Allen quote: "I think most people in Iraq are just hoping that some force in the world will prevent [war]. I think the most people in Iraq are thinking that people in the world who are against war will rise up and put pressure on their government in places like Spain and Bulgaria and Britain in particular ó where there is some opposition to war. That the people will put pressure on their leaders that they are not to back the United States, and also people in the United States."

I think you are not thinking Ron.

- Bergwon

Why do posts from Frenchnome always ask everyone to go here, to do this, to study something else, or whatever? Does he just assume that everyone is so dim as not to achieve the lofty perch of judgement that he holds? His presumed personality would ghag a maggot!!!! I believe he just can't face reality as it is, and must continue endlessly looking for some other way to explain or justify his own bizzare and erroneous posture for the interpretation of world events. He implores others to read and study what he considers important or significant documents. People often recognize one line of text from some obscure document and adopt it as their life's meaning and definition. Funny though, someone else reads the same document and comes up empty on any significant or earth-shattering information whatsoever. It's easy to review and take "pot-shots" at the ongoing state of affairs and leaders, since he can neither control nor preclude their responsibilities. He's just too stubborn to realize that it really doesn't concern him anyway...

Frenchie,
I read those in the 3rd grade, give me something of more substance.

Frenchie I found this under "refinement"... it has your name on it.

"Men who walk on tiptoe all through life, holding up thier skirts for fear they shall touch thier fellows -- who are delicate and refined in feeling, and who ring all the bells of taste high up in their own belfry where no one else can hear them, those dainty fools are the greatest sinners of all, for they use their higher faculties to serve evil with.
~~HWBeecher~

OK...enough about Frenchie...back on the subject of idiotarian actors.

Last weekend I saw the movie "Catch Me If You Can". Not a bad flick. Tom Hanks, Leonardo DiCaprio. In addition, a small role was played by James Brolin. When he first came on screen early in the movie, a sickening thought entered my brain, and I couldn't get it out for the rest of the movie: YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SEX WITH BARBRA STREISAND??? I almost puked right there in the theatre.

Here are three books for those not up on the sordid history of France. Then you will be able to speak with this adult.

The Vichy Syndrome: History and Memory in France Since 1944

The Great Pox: The French Disease in Renaissance Europe

Paris 1919: Six Months That Changed the World

John Mellencamp has a anti-Bush, anti-war, song out that the Liberal Media seems to be pushing. It is at his website, www.mellencamp.com. He is requesting comments, and says, it is favorable by a 60% to 40% margin. Please go there and give your honest opinion. You can download the song, or just read the words. Please note, he takes the name of God in vain, and later invokes the name of Jesus!

Hello Frenchman. We know who Machiavelli was. His modern day counterpart would be Jacques Chirac.

A more appropriate book for the debate would be The War over Iraq - Kaplan & Kristol.

Iím curious, how long have you been at Berkely? You donít have to tell us, of course, if you donít want to.

Oh, and thanks to Newsmax for this link from one of our more enlightened citizens. Funny girl, she didnít criticize Clinton for bombing aspirin factories without UN approval.

http://www.barbrastreisand.com/news_statements.html

Thanks Scott, you have a very good wit! Thanks for the moral support for OUR TROOPS! To Frenchman The Poodle: Your culture came up with eating snails, why haven't you tried worms? Couldn't you thing of a fancy name for them?

zzebu, that french guy is grasping at straws that he think will help him win the argument. He says he is educated and understands history when he doesn't really know what he is talking about. We know from history that if you appease a dictator he will only grasp for more...

I think the French are still pissed that our Sr. Nuclear guy (Mr. Weiz) toured the the warehouse where the nuclear reactors that were going to be sent to Iraq in 1988 and then turned around and told the Israelis where they were. Of course the Israelis sent in a team and blew them up. We then showed the Israelis satelite photos of where the nuclear reactor was being built by the french and the Israelis blew it up. They are just embarrased that they were shown up like that. Of course we can see the information/technology they are willing to sell to ANYONE! I do have to say that we didn't directly intervene directly because we had been supporting Iraq in its war against Iran and we didn't want to hurt that relationship (which bit us in the butt a couple years later), but that is another story. We may have given them some weapons then, but at least we didn't give them any WMD's or nuclear technology (only the french/germans/russians do that!).

Right Brain,
How about the book: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." That book was a very good insight to WWII and how the French collaborated with the enemy (especially about their fleet that could have escaped and been used by allied forces). It is also a good book in reference to megalomaniacal dictators who shouldn't be appeased.

Susan seran-done,
I emailed that mellencamp site and told them how wrong they were, thanks for the link.

Since Frenchman always suggests reading material, here is some for him:

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."
--- General George S. Patton

"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
--Donald Rumsfeld

"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
---- Marge Simpson

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
---Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
---Rush Limbaugh,

"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee."
--- Regis Philbin

"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French, people."
--Conan O'Brien

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!"
---Jay Leno

"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag."
--David Letterman

“The only way the French will go into Iraq is if the inspectors find truffles there”
--Dennis Miller

Ameri-can,
That has been the best reading material all day!

Susan Serin-done! Thanks for the link.

I e-mailed mellencamp (the song stinks even without the protest message) and told them that when the day came that we see

1. Bush-bashers carrying an EQUAL number of signs blaming Saddam, a documented butcher, for forcing the international community toward war and demanding that he disarm, demanding that he quit torturing his people, demanding that he quit building palaces while his people starve....ad nauseum,

2. I see protesters burning an equal number of Iraqi national flags as they do American flags,

3. I see equal open criticism of Bill Clinton, who, with his wife Hillary, rained an unprecedented debacle of sleaze and smarm upon the office of the President of the United States (thank goodness for a class act like Mrs. Laura Bush in the White House - say, do you suppose the Bushes had to fumigate before they moved in??)

4. I see Iraqi citizens marching in the streets of American in protest of President Bush's actions,

is the day I will consider your words (or those of any other protester) as serious, intellectual, thoughtful debate.
Until that time, your behavior (and that of your brethren) is only that of a noisy faction of super-biased rabble-rousers. You'd think that you and other protesters would at least give lip service to protesting Saddam's brutality and non-compliance and Clinton's tragic legacy of ridicule so that your protests, at the very least, seemed more than just completely driven by bias which would maybe, just maybe, inject some legitimacy into your protests.

GO BUSH!

My favorite actor: Wilford Brimley

Short, fat, bald.
My kind of guy!

Why did we (the American public) ever start paying attention to the non-scripted opinions of celebrities?
Most of these folks are un-educated in anything that impacts the real world. Their job is to play "make-believe" really well. That's it!

Paying any more attention to their opinion than you would to any other yahoo on the street is doing yourself and your society a dis-service. Use your own brain.

Dream clean, Ashcroft is watching. ;-)

Aha,
There was no need to fumigate the White House after the Clintons because they stole everything that could have been infected!

The counter point to all this trash being spewed by the actors is that I feel for the mental midget that actually forms his/her opinions on world/domestic issues from what is said by their favorite actors. Those people shouldn't be allowed out in public unsupervised or allowed to breed! Which rock singer recently said in one of his songs, "I have been all around the world and I realized that only stupid people are breeding!"?

Lets leave the Frenchman alone. It's not his fault his mother didn't have an abortion. He most certainly didn't choose his father. He was simply raised with a set of beliefs that are not the same as us Americans.

John Mellencamp? What does he have to do with anything? He's just another entertainer trying to make a buck. Rush out and buy his latest album, you'll be contributing to peace.

For the anti-war protesters... You've found a good calling, stick with it. When the time comes that a anthrax loaded, pilotless drone aircraft is smuggled in or constructed by a group of murderous maggots, you'll provide a suitable and easily identifiable target. Those of you that survive can go to Starbucks and talk about how scarry it was afterwards.

To the volunteer soldier. Good luck, may your leaders be true. You're fighting for the rights of John Mellencamp and anti-war protesters. So long as we have people of this persuasion, you can be assured that we live in a free society.

Little pink houses for you and me......

Radio,
good point about knowing that we are in a free society, doesn't mean we can't have a lot of fun tearing them down!

The only objection is when they start eroding the foundations of the constitution and what America stands for, that's when I have a problem with them.

Ameri-can - tore me up! Great one.

Thank God for cable TV's Fox News Channel so I don't have to watch inane, poorly written network TV shows and movies anymore.

Finally a place I can see the latest news and am not limited to having my intelligence insulted by "serious actors" repeating someone else's lines aimed at a third grader while thinking that they are indeed a "serious actor".

Small wonder Daniel Day Lewis takes off and makes shoes in some remote place. As a "real serious actor" he appears to at least agree with the sentiment in practice.

Keep it up folks. You make my day.

Thanks Justin, thanks AHA, I couldn't have said it better! I certainly agree that EVERYONE in America has a right to their opinion, but when they make an ignorant statement, (on THEIR OWN website), that, ----"the favorable responce to this song is running, 60% for, and 40% against!", then he needs to have some people give their opinion, that DON'T worship his every word. I say this as a FORMER fan of his!

"Why do posts from Frenchnome always ask everyone to go here, to do this, to study something else, or whatever?"

Typical socialist bossiness.

Frenchie,

If I remember my 5th grade history correctly, the Peloponnesian war started because Sparta and Corinth were fearful and jealous of the growing power of Athens.

Are you saying that France and Germany are going to attack the United States? I agree that these two countries have reason to be fearful and jealous of just about every other country in the world, but why not pick an easier target, like say, Ivory Coast?

Hey Frenchy, Try and follow my ungrownup thinking:
I throw some doody and hit someone. You look around me but don't see any doody, just my dirty hand. Magically, I throw some more doody and hit someone again. You look. No doody to be found. You notice I eat alotta bran muffins but still see nothing but my filthy hand.Your conclusion is I have no feces because you don't see it but have a lucrative contract to sell me bran. Let's just keep lookin' instead of smackin' my dirty little hand, besides ,none has been thrown at you and you don't want to ruin the bran contracts no matter who has to wear it!

If all these stall tactics continue and someone ends up wearing it........those that enabled it will have their hands just as dirty as the actual feces slinger.

I would like to second the post about reading "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". I just read it again for the 3rd time & it's very timely. Also read another book by Shirer, "The Collapse of the Third Republic". It's about the fall of France in 1940.

Right on, Lord Robert! You broke it down for them.

Lordrobert,
Thank you for putting it in a way that they can understand (of course they probably still don't get it!). It is time we hold them responsible for hiding and abading the enemy.

French fried toast,
Ivory coast is about what they can handle, but there is still a good chance they will lose. They should try Costa Rica next time (of course they don't have any standing armed forces!) and they might fare better.

In a day late and a dollar short...

Frenchie:

Since you claim to have read Machiavelli, what about these two passages: ( a rough quote. I'm not at my desk)

"If you have to choose between being loved and feared: choose fear. Those who are merely loved do not last the course: at the first sign of trouble, they are deserted, since they have note made themselves feared. For fear, coupled with the certainty of punishment, is always effective."

"If you have succeeded in a difficult task, everyone will praise you, no matter have harsh you have had to act. If you fail, no matter how morally correct you acted, everyone will blame you."

By the way, sweetie pie, I have read Tacitus in Latin and Thucydides in Greek. Remember our little discussion about Americans-who-don't-learn-languages?

You never replied to me, baby...why did you forget?

whoops...

"At the first sign of trouble, they are deserted, since they have NOT made themselves feared...."

"priase you, no matter HOW harsh you have had to act."

I'm not a typist, especially with someone else in my office.

Sorry about that...

Charles, you are singing to the choir. Frenchie just has to feel smart in his twisted little world. He doesn't get it that many Americans are educated and speak more than 1 language. To this point I have only learned Spanish, but I could easily pick up more (I boycot French, there is no use for it anyway).

Anyway, he is just retreating to find more antagonistic stuff to say to flare us up again. I'm starting to think that he is a psychology major and that part of his thesis is the reaction of a group of people with similiar views to a person giving a descenting view.... mmmm makes you wonder.

Before I diatribe... what are these dudes saying?

Machiavelli, Tacitus, and Thucydides ... becuase just becuase they wrote a book or got philosophical in the pre-dawn of civilization, doesn't mean they said anything profound. Our own Liberal Left is proof of that.

I'm betting that their logic is flawed... just a hunch. Grammer school kids in America get a better education than some of these old philosophers did... remember the world was still flat back then. "Education and culture have come a long ways" contratry to the French perspective.

I'm already un-impressed just by the fact that Frenchie is quoting or recommending them... (unless they are insulted by it) Is that where your logic got perverted Frenchie? Who do we get next Noam Chompsky? ... the biggest commie lier that ever hit Acadamia, who the left thinks is "brilliant" He is brilliant like James Carville, yah right *rolls eyes* and dont' forget who won the Nobel Peach Fuzz prize this year.

What would you like put into "plain english"... I can be pretty articulate when I need to be, I could even put it into poetry... if it would help.

Hollywood---Martin Sheen announced today that he is actually a George Bush supporter! "I have been playing the role of a low-life, scum-sucking, anti-war liberal, to prove what an excellant actor I am! I fooled everyone! I actually voted for GWB! Now let's all go to Iraq, and bring back Saddam's head on a stick! LET'S ROLL!"

Okay, here's the scene: the theater lights dim, the crowd goes quiet. The theme music plays and some has-been rocker sings the theme from some movie that we all missed this year. The cameras are rolling and the buzz of the crowd increases as the host (be great if it was Marty Sheen!) approaches the mike. "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the academy awards...", then the cut-away to the news: "We interupt this program to bring you the start of the war with Iraq..." Hooooaaaa! Let's Roll baby!

Just curious.

At what point does free speech become SEDITION?

Has anyone noted the self-aggrandizing, self-congratulating plethora of film/tv/music award shows over the last couple of years?

the entertainment industry give themselves so many awards i've lost track.

The bite that reality shows has taken out of the entertainment job market is really kind of funny. Here the entertainers think they're all that and a bag of chips, and then the consumer shows them they could care less. We'll watch anything and anyone!

Free speech becomes sedition when one encourages others to violate the law.

Phrog Poet:

Hate to say it pal, but you're showing your ignorance. Thanks for the aid and comfort for Frenchman.

1) Machiavelli: MAJOR historian and Renaissance figure. Was the equivalent of Rumsfeld in Florence. Wrote major histories of Italy and a very successful stage comedy (The Mandrake). 'The Prince' is considered the start of modern political science.

2. Thucydides: Founder of a major branch of history: use of case studies for historical analysis. As far as language goes, had great influence of classical Greek. Wrote as a military man: he was an admiral in the Athenian Navy. his history is considered one of the great achievements of the Classical World.

3. Tacitus: Considered the best of the Roman historians of the early Empire. His analysis of the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Claudian Empire is another masterpiece of writing and history.

ANYONE seriously interested in history had better read these people.

Your ignorance is showing, P. P.

Isn't it interesting that celebrities, who surely have enough money to live in comfort anywhere in the world, haven't moved out of the good old US of A? They are all sooo embarrassed to be Americans... I'm sure they'd be welcomed by anti-Americans. They wouldn't suffer the loss of availability of day to day comfort items etc... what's stopping them?

The Dixie Chicks are the newest moron celebrities to join the bash-bush parade. I'm shocked considering they are considered country (too bad that more than 70% of the concert antendees are women)and country singers are considered to be the most patriotic. I guess they don't see the polls that 71% of Americans are in support of this war...

Please go to ipetitions.com. also, billoreilly...he has some great contacts to email some of these jerks

actually Charles;

Thanks for the info.. I really didn't want to have to read it all.

But that's makes my case not Frenchies: That an un-educated quasi-redneck American like me, can out logic his French liberal culture any day. And... these brilliant military strategists should be offended by him quoting and groping them if they said anything that was true. This is not about what books he has read that I may not have (or vise versa)... it's about what is right and wrong for free people the world over.

..and masterpiece smasterpiece, I am not really discrediting anyone's work, don't get me wrong, i have a profound respect for pivotal literature (and art) .. but Mother Goose might have actually made more of an impact on world history, or something that molds the social moray of a culture.

There is also a pretty good chance they got a few things wrong. You know? kind of like most of the contemporary authors and historians we know now.

I can stretch peoples minds... try me!

Thank you Charles !

God bless you, Phrog Poet. Beati pauperi spiritu !

What's all this about 'languages', and refusing to learn French ?

French is not a language, it's a speech impediment !

Ask any frog ! (Not that he'll have the slightest idea what you're talking about; the frenchies aren't going to bother learning other languages, are they ? Have you ever seen courses called "English for people without a language" ? No, of course not ! Never mind ! So what if they can't speak English ? It's far more important that they learn the importance of personal hygiene first. But don't hold your breath ! Well, actually, you do have to hold your breath, cos ... Oh, you get my drift !

Greetings from Belgium (hey, at least we're not French !)

TWO POPULAR SAYING:
This is an OLD MANS WAR and a YOUNG MANS FIGHT
AND
THIS IS A WHITE MANS WAR.
this is the first time I've have ever seen his site and it seems to be very conserative a.k.a anti-free speech, not because you feel diferently but because you are mad at people who feel differnt. Now I'm not anti-war but i'm anti-nationalism. FOR THOSE WHO ARE ANGRY AT MY STATEMENT I WILL BE THE ONE FIGHTING (NAVY) THIS WAR NOT YOU!