Hey Frenchman...what about your fearless leader. I just didn't want Frenchfry to get 1st post...

or the second

Anymore evidence needed?
Who would back up france when we decide to make the seine glow?

It's always a good idea when somebody else is getting shafted.
But when it is your turn in the crosshairs...not so much fun.

Why haven't the French coined BlameAmerica.com yet? Typically pathetic.

this ChIraq guy gets scarier by the minute. Could it be the WMD''s----(after being liquified)--have been secretly hidden in ChIraq's veins?...
Thinking he may hook up to an IV every night. freaky, freaky man--err--GUY! I suppose he has the likes of Kevorkian as part of his "secret counsel"....

his action figure collection includes Adolph, Stalin, Saddam & Sons ( special 3 figure edition-w/"assembly" required)

Gotta feel for good folks like fellow scrappler La Fayette having this kind of "leadership"...

I'm no fan of Chirac but c'mon guys : Chirac and the US now share the same view regarding the international criminal court.
according to unsubstantiated allegations uncovered by the UK Daily Tel-Aviv-egraph.
its about as likely as the US hosting the Israeli war criminal Ariel Sharon ! o wait !

Seems that the French are the absent party in the comments this time.

"axis of weasels" , or mayby " axis of treasons"

Actually either applies.

Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE - French Secret Service)today announced that they have not found any evidence linking Mr. Chirac with EL Ratko Mladic. They also have not found any evidence linking the DGSE to the Rainbow Warrior either. "None of the things the French have been accused of is true", claimed Mr. Chiac. No need for a tribunal, unless its those pesky Americans interfering with French policy.

Comical: you're missing the irony, which is that when we took our position on the ICC, we were lectured about it by the likes of Chirac. His "principled" "international" position turns out to be one strictly of political expediency. Go figure.

Lfc
Whats the deal with the Denver cops?
Isnt Pat Schroeder a hotty..

I realised the point thanks Ian,
thats why I said "now share" the view on the ICC.
and nothing has "turned out" yet as the Telegraph's claim is really just a claim by a member of the Conrad Black stable.

"upon conferring with his imam, chirac decided that only international courts with anti american agendas and policies were a good idea"

Muhahahahahah

I aplaud Mike G.! When it comes to France fascists have done well. The one good outcome of fascism in the 20th Century was the total subjugation and humiliation of France.

Pat Schroeder can help me count anytime, babalicious!

The Fascists always got a bad rap.
Ask the Italians(not sicilians) if they would prefer the Fascists over this Silvia Berlesconi thug.
Silvias mother says shes gone to galveston...

whoa,dr hook flashbacks.
always after grain alcohol and green buds
anyways the trains ran on schedule.

Vive Franco
Vive Petain
Vive Benito

Chirac : La Justice Internationale ' Soudainement une Mauvaise IdÈe '

le PrÈsident franÁais Jacques Chirac, un partisan de la Cour Criminelle Internationale, l'Union europÈenne et les Nations unies a dit aujourd'hui que la France est une nation souveraine et des cours internationales ou les tribunaux sont "soudainement une mauvaise idÈe."...dixit

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No Jacques C. it's a good idea on the contrary.

It's necessary to have lawsuits as Nuremberg.

Once more I do not share your "ideas"...

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Non jacques C. c'est une bonne idÈe bien au contraire.

c'est necessaire d'avoir des procËs comme celui de Nuremberg.

Une fois de plus je ne partage pas vos "idÈes"...

La Fayette
:( / :(

Well, is this any surprise? France was against the war with Serbia because they had secret deals with a brutal dictator there ... they were against the war in Iraq because they had secret deals with a brutal dictator ... anyone see a pattern?

Ze worm...she has turned, n'est pas?

To be fair, whether it's human rights or war crimes, the UN has zero credibility. When they ignore genocide perpetrated by Third World nations and place murdering despots at the head of human rights commissions, that's a big clue that something isn't quite right.

If Chirac has really done this (and there should be evidence brought forward - not just allegations) then it should come out and he should be held accountable, but I'd like to give him the same benefit of the doubt that I wish the libs would give Dubya. Allegations are not proof, second-guessing is a cheap shot when you don't have all the information and you didn't have to live with the consequences of making a wrong decision.

And maybe this will force some of the twits who cite the UN as some sort of moral authority reason to view the motives of the United Nations with the same skepticism they apply so freely to our leaders.

Not that I'm defending Chirac per se, but I'm really sick of the UN taking potshots at the industrialized nations and ignoring what goes on in the Third World.

The un is a paper tiger that only functions when we,being the usa,makes it function.
In my twisted opinion I think the UN should be all over Africa,Iraq,Chechnya,the occupied territories and in south central los angeles.
Perfect example of un ineptitude was in Bosnia when the serbs kicked the dutchman out and murdered what??20,000 muslims...
How about the congo?
Rawanda?? Uganda under Idi Amin, Pol Pot in Cambodia??
mass genocides and the un nowhere to be found...
sublime
you have to have room for Hillary in there or the mood wouldnt be proper..

Mike G Sorry...I dont know what you refer to re: the Denver Cops and Pat Schroeder. ( being an hour south has its own share of "news" to tention to and I've been virtually without TV for a few weeks to keep up with much outside the "borders" much less in the "hood" (:~})

I've attached a link (to my name) for YOU to determine if Pat Schroeder's a hottie. Hottiness is in the eye of the beholder. ( haughtiness on the other hand--is in the attitude of the posessor there of-(:~})

Were you referring to "hottie" as in"whoa thermo nuclear bby!" or more like in reference to heartburn. :~})

A 2nd pic for you of Pat S--this is one from Victoria's Secret -----http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-22/pat-schroeder.html

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Comical Rummy,
They only share the same view but for vastly different reasons: ChIraq got caught and the US
IS a sovereign nation that will not ratify the treaty for the protection of us, the people. Even the Teflon Coated One Who Managed to Have Hillary Stick to Him Like Glue said he didn't like it, even though he signed it...somehow the
Senate has tabled it.

There are those Frenchmen who are of the spirit of the good Marquis de Lafeytte, and do not deserve such a leader.

Lfc
I read that a Denver cop shot a retarted black kid 4times,problem was this is the 2nd time this cop shot a mentally challenged black kid in a year.
Johnnie Cochran is in Denver now to ""investigate"
I'll open the schroeder picture up after lunch as I too have a delicate constitution and projectile vomit very easily.

I peeked, Ohhhhhhhhhhh!! Barf, Barf, Choke, Choke Groan, yuch. LFC how could you!!

Afterthought, I have seen "Hey Joes" that looked as good as she does. In fact most of them looked better!! LOL

How about Elephants?

huhah, ;>)

Sob...

Mike G Again I attached a story about the boy that was shot [from 9 News in Denver] which I DO check in with occasionally online but havent lately. I feel so outta touch with not having the TV news at least.:~(. Apparently the cop last year shot a hearing impaired black teen. Just the day before THIS incident the cop apparently threatened his mom in law. To make matters even more potentially volatile "shoot cops" fliers started circulating just before a vigil for the boy. I really hope Cochran doesn't just incite alot of Jesse Jackson-esque race card hype.I would be perfectly happy to see the truth come to light and be dealt with accordingly--minus the Cochran "dance"!. On the surface it sure looks UGLY!

as for Hot Stuff Schroeder---well in case you really DID find her attractive I was handling it delicately as to not insult the "beholder in you" (:~}) SOrry, Old Sailor---didn't mean to offend! (:~}). "MY EYES MY EYES!"...you must have really believed the Victorias Secret thing...LOL....if you flip the page you'll find Janet Reno in there, too...MUHAHAHAHAHA...now I'm cracking ME up!(:~})

Old Sailor: please excuse my brunetted blondness but what are "hey joes"? :~}

When you get off the ship overseas on the pier you get surrounded by people coming up to you and saying "Hey Joe, you want my sister? ... Hence the nomer "Hey Joes". LOL

As for Peppermint Patti, my eyes are still watering from the allergic reaction. Owwwwwwwww

Dissapointing piece of veal for lunch but the tiny portion made up for it.
Thank you lfc.
I refer to that site as Hindenbergesque

OH MY GOD THE HUMANITY THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!
ole sailor may need to borrow my zztop glasses as his eyes may have been burned outta their sockets.

Nothing worse than a nitwit with a gun unless he has authority to use it on the public..

Old Sailor sorry I asked ....(:~})

Ya think Peppermint Patty is like a Peanuts character hybrid gone awry? NAH!...Charlie, Snoopy (who RULEZ!) and the gang are far too innocent and "believable"..LOL
I thought the same thing about the "nickname" and THEN Schroeder.

The Schroeder site is a whos who in gawdawful woman.
The cop thing is a tragedy for the city of Denver.
1st of all the cop shouldve been washing cars with a lightweight sponge instead of getting hired under the affirmative action rules.
2nd you have the 2nd biggest race baiter in the world in Johnny ""JJ"" Cochrane coming to town and you know what he brings to the table.
Grief
Anxiety
Bulldung
and THE RACE CARD.

I dont know what generally happens in Denver but if there is a link between this and other cop on black incidents then the proverbial crap will hit the fan and JJ is the man to stir it up..

my condolences lynch

Its not what someone looks like on the outside its what they look like on the inside. Pat Shroder had obviously been folded inside out.

Janet Reno should just be a warning to all of us.

May God forgive me.

And for the Agnostic and Atheist Scrapplers -

May I learn to forgive myself.

Mike G., YOU HAVE SAVED ME!

Hillary could loan me an extra pair of hers! Brilliant, thank you so much.

BTS (temproarily singing soprano in the shower)

Dear Anonymous For Obvious Reasons I must thank you. You've afforded me one of the BIGGEST laughs I've had in a while! What a POST...

Funny thing regarding your "turned inside out" comment. I contend that the "inside" DOES show up on the outside--positively and negatively. Case in point: (hate to beat on em AGAIN) but for instance Michael Moore: personally I believe his intense anger and other--ahem-- "qualities"..are CLEARLY why what shows up on the outside "looks" like it does or HE does.....Helen Thomas...well..nuff said! (:~})...{"case in points" backing up my "theory" with "positive" examples escapes me right now..but I wont' look to the DNC for one...JAB!).
[philosophizing mode in health & beauty department: OFF]

Anon!...I'm STILL laughing! Bravo!

Mike G thanks for the condolences. I actually have to question the integrity of the people who invited slick Johnny Cockroach!. They KNOW how he "plays" and isn't the TRUTH what's important.?? His hype & jive dancing with this matter will only give excuse to people who just want to have "a cause"...an excuse to vent....an excuse for some "drama"...

I've not heard much about any racial-- cop on black issues like you would out of LA or so..but this ONE incident linking a cop with the deaths of 2 impaired of some sort black youths is enough for at least one racial "showdown". Cochran is a high dollar muckraker...and he'll rake for all the millions he's gonna make or TRY to make off of it. Hope he gets shutup before it all blows up. Even if it meant the cop just came clean...I dunno.

May I be so bold as to suggest calling some of the Aryans up there in Idaho to give JJ a run for his money?

Helen Thomas...........bllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaa

wheres the friggin maalox

I don¥t like Chirac, but do you really think that criticising Chirac you legitimate your fascist preventive war? The mistakes made by others don¥t legitimate yours!.

CONGRATULATIONS, AT LAST YOUR GOVERNMENT AND FRANCE¥S ONE SHARE THE SAME POINT OF VIEW REGARDING THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT WHICH IS SHAMEFUL!

But whatever Chirac says, the truth is that France and the rest of european countries have signed the statute of the International Criminal Court.I cannot say the same for USA. What are you waiting for!.

Lafayette,
I don¥t like Chirac either,I don¥t like his government, but you know, this doesn¥t turn me into a Bush fan AT ALL!.

Gala I agree on part of your statement but please here me out.
International law means nothing without the united states involvement,this is fact.
2nd
France,on one hand badmouthing the usa for going around international law
WAS DOING THE SAME THING YEARS AGO

this is what i believe the folks here at scrapple are angry about because as you can tell,theres no love lost between these folks and the u.n.

If the people here thought that france was taking the moral high ground then they could understand the position.
The opinion of the distinguished members of this panel is that the French acted only to serve themselves...This made them hypocrites and invited them to be ridiculed by anyone who knows French history..

Most Americans dont care about world opinion,right wrong or indifferent its the way it is..

Look, even Gala agrees that the ICC is shameful.

Dang dangling chads, I mean participles, I mean clauses. Whatever, the point is don't leave it dangling.

Gala, look up the definition of "fascism." Read the history of fascism. Ask someone to help you with the big words.
When your done, you will realize that it can't be applied to the United States. Then you may apologize.
Till then, go away. The shrillness of your voice is audible even though your comments are typed, and it is annoying.

Have a nice day.

I hereby declare war on LFC. SHe has blasphemed France and insulted me.

As for any Pat Schroeder fetishist? well they deserve what they get. I still remember her sobbing hysterically when she withdrew from the 1988 Presidential race (she dropped out extremely early) because people were asking her tough questions. They were looking into her personal life and her family's life. Boo Hoo.

http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm

bisous

Hey Scott:

Glenn Reynolds has posted your story over on instapundit.com as an update to the original UK Telegraph story and I didn't realize it was a scrappleface story at first.

Hey loser, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.

bisous my postÈrieur,

Max, I was once abducted by UFOs, too. I believe.

Y'all have a blessed weekend
I am gonna wear one of those ""Joe Balls"" bathing suits tommorow.
Seeing as I am the perfect weight for a guy who stands 7'1 I should impress since I am 5'10...
do the french find that look attractive???

I'll tune in monday..
peace out

oh kim, you hate me? :(
I'm so sorry, explain me why?

On account of my personality disorder. Wait, that would give us something in common, wouldn't it?

Do you burn and destroy things because voices orders it to you?

No, I burn things that deserved to be destroyed. Like UFO watchers, Molly Ivins and rabid Anti-American propaganda-spewing psychos.

old people too?

LAST? Ha Ha Ha!

ya ain't last if someone else posts after you!(:~})

Never Mind...you wouldn't listen anyway...

Old people shouldn't be burned. They need to be isolated and studied so that it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use.

Dear American Peoples,

forgive me for my English is not that good.
I would like to be sorry for my Max of sons.
He is not really a bad boy but he remains on the too long internet.
I hope he hasnít been a boredom.
I was incapable to get him to receive and to take his medicine.
He suffers sometimes depression and very bad manners.

Again To forgive me for my English is not that good.

But I had to say you if you were not to be too hard on him. Please to show it your benevolenceí he is very bothered with emotion.

I am like his Sisyphus and he is like my pebble that I wind the everyday hill for this that seems to be an eternity.

Only recently I have the felts very bad to say Max the truth.
A day a lot of years ago I, tried to abandon the Max to the train station in Paris.
He was born such a child and I did not want to keep him because I could not carry his hateful crises and its explosions of paranoÔa.

He was also a child very odeure. The odor kinds that does you want to gag when you walk in the Paris subways.
It always reminds of me the plants returning that are if the end to the rivers, they is if beautuful but a lot of annoying odors just as Max.

Nonetheless, it seems that the poor Max sat in the lost and found for three weeks before I can mustered my courage to go and choose him in my life again. I had to force myself to face him and I am a now a lot older one. Max is a lot bigger so if he can go out of house a lot more, that gives me some relief and I lost practically all my sounds in my ears. My joy is the silence of not hearing his audience of his to moan constantly because my deafness.

My life can seem as this is a flat numbed as the existence of my self, but my faith is in the benevolence of foreigners,who will support me. The foreigners always were very good to me. That is how I met his father. His father remained only with me for a few days. But I always carry the twenty francs he gave me as a remberance fo Max. To last it I heard was the Max's father had run to join the French Foreign legion. He was the shot while trying to escape for a cleanliness inspection and they buried his body outside the fort for not to attract the ungry rats. I fear if Max doesan changes of his manners that he to finish as the father that he never met. Dead, buried, forgotten and twenty poorer francs of the love of a good french woman.

Sincerely,

The Momma of maxs

Hmmm....Old People....

Max and frenchman, yak, yak, yak, they talk, talk, talk, until you just wish Flanders was dead!

Cricket,

well I think I prefer Jospin to Chirac.
Not sure Chirac has got "caught" regarding anything, all unproved allegations from a Conrad Black rag.
If the US wants to have a policy of shielding its suspected war criminals then thats up to it but don't try and dress it up as anything less.
I guess the US hasn't got "caught" bombing TV station in Serbia and Iraq (war crimes), overthrowing democracies in Guatemala and Chile, defending terror regimes in central america. Did you know only this week the US met with Colombian AUC terrorists ? and the US are considering aiding Saddam linked MEK terrorists against Iran ?

Hey loser, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.

bisous my postÈrieur... dixit kim who hates max.

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kim, the french expression it's : bisous mon cul ou bisous cucul la praline...

friendly to you miss and bon apprentissage du
franÁais de base !
;):)

ps :if you have need of expressions in french do not hesitate...

thank you the Momma of Max !!!

I had well analyzed your son, and I understood his big problem better now...

thank you infinitely, and do not hesitate has to send your son to a good psychiatrist...(it's possible with frenchman also ???)

;) :)

Fake mum, it seems that your sixth sense is not humor.

We always have Pareeee and the twenty Francs you father gave us.Don't be ashame-id.Now be a good little crepe lover and shave-id the hair off my back. Such incessant whining.

Mother faker.

LaFayette, Merci bo coup! I speak no French, so I must rely on my daughter (who is in her first year of study) or freetranslations.com (which doesn't work very well). I appreciate your assistance. You are quite the gentleman.

Bobby:

The International Criminal Court is completely necessary.

You want to judge others but you don¥t want to be judged by them. One of the first things I heard Bush say after the beginning of the war was that Sadam and his sons ( when found, if you ever find them) will be charged with crimes against humanity. Well ,so Bush can judge irakis but irakis cannot judge him. That¥s perfect. Perfect for you, of course!

Maybe you don¥t want to realize that some of your presidents ( including Bush) have acted as criminals, as international criminals.

By the way , my english is not perfect , it¥s not my mother language you know, whenever you want we can start writing in spanish, italian, catalan or even french. You know, english is the one I like the lest. Give me time I¥m so young!

Anyway, if you have any problem to understand what I want to say , you just have to ask me and I¥ll give you the details...aunque a buen entendedor pocas palabras bastan!.

Mike G:

Countries always act to serve themselves. Countries ( in a political sense) have no friends but allies, no principles but interests. And I¥m afraid your country ( and mine , of course) are not exceptions.

And the americans should care about world opinion if they want the world to care about USA¥s opinion. It¥s not about who is better, it¥s about the need of a multilateral international policy.

And of course international law means nothing without USA ( or without Europe, for instance) that¥s the reason why USA has to be involved. USA cannot use the international law when it serves its interests and next day forget about this same international law as if it has never existed, moreover when it was USA one of the contributors to its existence.

Momma of Max:
If you don¥t want your son I¥ll adopt him!.

maxs,

How you can speak with your momma this manner. You do not show a manner to your momma. You are a bad boy, no? I will cry in my bed for the arms of another man as your new father now leaves while I do friends with the foreigners. You know for the years that I was not able to hold myself up on two legs. I am a momma that works, I needs the assistance of the foreigners. They give me the money for your class books. Now you to calm the dissatisfied child. You damage your momma. Your education is important me. I cry out my heart for happy times.Oh my odeure Maxs, Oh my odeure Maxs, you rip my heart.

Les LaFayette,

Merci bo coup!
If maxs could be like you.
A Frenchman with dignity.
Il est un enfant ennuyÈ, oui.
Mes FranÁais sont aussi mauvais que mon anglais. Non!
Yes, No what difference it now makes.
How I do speak when I am troubled.
I will never forgive my own sins as the mother of Maxs.

cordialement,

The Momma of Maxs
Paris de district lÈger rouge, la France

.
The Momma of Maxs,
.

You are soooooooo GOOD ! ! ! !

Its time to commit your son ñ MAX - to an institution and a specialist.
Perhaps they can handle him better within their compound.

I hope the assistance from the foreigners will be sufficient.
.

Ha ha ha ha.
.

kim, merci a vous ( thank to you ) !

excuse me and for your french for the word much it's : "beaucoup" not bo coup ( smile !!;))

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for the momma of maxs, congratulations for your
humor !!!!

bonne journÈe et cordialement a vous deux.

to read necessarily :
http://www.infos.aol.fr/info/ADepeche?id=176605

It's the DANGER for my country, and it is that which max defends with others!!!

voila le DANGER pour mon pays, et c'est cela que
max dÈfend avec d'autres !!!

Yeah, momma of maxs, congratulation for your humor, you're sooo funny, continue to entertain us little snappy boy, and I'll give you some peanuts.

LaFayette, le danger c'est la connerie.

Gala,

Why is the ICC so necessary? Doesnít the responsibility for prosecuting war crimes fall under the jurisdiction of the UN Security Council?

If ICC were accompanied by the appropriate checks and balances it may have been supported by the US. This court, instead, gives an enormous amount of power to one prosecutor who can pick and choose who to try, thus politicizing the body. It also attempts to assert jurisdiction over countries that havenít even ratified the treatyÖ how can this be considered acceptable? If I am an American prosecutor and decide that you as a Frenchman or Canadian or whatever you are violated American law on your soil, do I have the right to try you in the US? Of course not, this would be preposterous. Yet this is precisely the power the ICC is asserting.

In the addition to usurping the power of the Security Council, the opinion of the State Department, ( and that of others) is that the ICC infringes on the sovereignity of independent states.

For example, if France wants to put up housing for senior citizens somewhere in the countryside, and a group from the Peoples Republic of China think they are violating the ICCís environmental charter, they can take the French government to the court where if he/she were motivated, the prosecutor can charge those responsible with a crime, even though France is a sovereign nation and should have the right to determine what is good for itís citizenry.

If the linked story were true, which Iím not sure of and this type of corruption can occur at the UN Security Council, can you imagine the type of corruption that would occur at such a loose organization as the ICC? Even our ex-president (who did sign the Rome treaty by the way) expressed his concerns about the courts flaws. He thought that if the US signed on that he should be able to help shape the charter into something more acceptable. But much like all the concessions this president made in the international arena, this did not pan out. Despite repeated attempts to check the power of the court, the result was simply unacceptable.

Bush never said he had intention of dragging Saddam and his sadistics sons to a US courtroom, he wanted them to be tried under the proper venue at the UN. I find your statement off-mark in that you equate these thugs, who practiced torture and genocide on its populace with George Bush, who is attempting to defend his.

By the way, your English is very good. I was just having some fun with your words.

Ciao.

La Fayette,

I think I understand the link you provided.

I will post only in English so I do not butcher your language.

I sometimes butcher my own.

A similar situation occurred here recently, when a woman refused to remove her burka to obtain a picture driverís license. The department of automobiles refused to give her the license.

She took the state to court, who properly dismissed her. She has every right to her religion, but the state would not be forced to its laws to accommodate her beliefs

Bobby,
Thank you for the well reasoned and thought out response. I think in long hand and type in shorthand and expect people to read my mind on line!

Even though you were not responding to me, you, and the LFC and Cassandra and Dr. Stuhl and others (you KNOW who you are) are the biggest reason I come here to scrappleface.

even Mad Madam Max and his doppelganger Frenchman can be just as useful, even if all they do is play devil's advocate.

Ditto {Cricket} - I enjoy everybody here also.
There has been some great chuckles in here as of late. It is amazing how talented a lot of the scrapplers are. Even the French ones.Did I say that?

Cheers,
Harden

Hey Cricket, Dr. Stuhl!.

aaahhh...a little friendlier atmosphere in this here scrapple room! At some of the other forums--while reading---I find myself ducking or moving to the side of the monitor to avoid the crossfire! (:~}) SHEESH...Satire...not Mad Fire, y'all!!

been doing more reading than posting lately. I let the experts like Cassandra, Fr Guido, The Other Scott, Frodo, you 2 and others do the talking....

I gotta go back up and study Crickets Biiiiiig word again...(:~})...This is a good place to git uhn edjuumuckayshun, I tell ya.

Bobby---judging by most peoples drivers licenses pics...almost everyone would do good to be allowed to wear a burka in their picture (:~}).*detect joke*...the real "burka-babe" you referred to shouldn't have been cut any slack...no matter how many teeth she was missing(:~}))--If I wanted to hold an open bible up in front of my face for my drivers license pic...I'd expect them to refuse me----They didn't say I couldn't read it...just not in the pic(:~})

Hello LFC,

Good to see you. I am always around somewhere. I was chuckling at the momma maxs posts and Maxs reaction.Max certainly has a colorful family.I also look at Pat Schroder now in a much different way. ;)

Hello bobby,

Yes, I imagine that this situation is practically identical in united states.

The difference, It's because this person is a hight fonctionnary ( civil servant paid by the French taxpayer), and not a classic citizen...

c'est hyper grave, car ce genre de personnes
doivent donner l'exemple. ( l'interessant dans
ce genre de situation, c'est de comprendre comment
ils arrivent a ce genre de fonction administrative...je parle de complicitÈs !!!??? ,
je vous laisse trouver bobby )

friendly to you !
bye bye ;)

Bon Jour mes amis
Happy Bastille day to the hygenically ... challenged french.
viva la belle france.

bwahahahahahahahaha
why is it that when they decide to go ""live to paris"" every man looks like they need a month at club med ...?

why is it that when they decide to go ""live to new york"" every man looks like they need a month at club med ...?

solution : it's idem Mike and perhaps more
difficult for paris!

;)bye

I think it is for the same reason that every time the news media cover a natural disaster they find the ugliest, most inbred looking, red-neck to interview. Especially if it was a flood. Then they are guaranteed of finding some yokel who will say something like: We been flooded out six times before, but we gonna rebuild. This river ain't gonna beat us!
Thereby making sure that the rest of the country sees that particular region as being inhabited by the biggest morons on the planet.

Ditto!

Well, that tornado sounded a lot like a train. And I thunk, there ain't no train tracks 'round this here parts. Sos my dog starts barkin' an' I's think theres summon steelin' my truck, sos I steps outside of the trailer I yousdu live in right har, andum blindsided by that tree I yousdu parctice my bow huntin' on. Or was that the last tornado that we wuz in? What channel you with agin? Is that local? My satelite dish wuz destroyed wit' my trialer.

Sorry for the post guys,I suppose if I cant say it in front of my mother I shouldnt say it in front of Mr Ott,I assume you got the idea.
Random guy hit it on the head once again.
Remember a couple years ago they had the surf contest up in east central fla....they had like 12 kids bit by the smaller type sharks on the competitions 1st day..did they cancel??did they protest??naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
Camera on Johnny dude Header
johnny did the sharks scare ya out there??
""SHARKS,CAMON DUUUUUDE THERE WERE NO SHARKS""
as the camera shoots the shoreline where theres a triage set up ,complete with amputists,ivs and a barrel full of blood..
""aaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwww wow man,sharks,bitchin!!""

always look for the lowest common denominator when it comes to live t.v

My dear Bobby:

I¥ll give you the details:

First, it¥s true that USA signed the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court , but it means nothing because your country didn¥t ratify it, wich means no acceptance, so...

Second, you say :"if France wants to put up housing for senior citizens somewhere in the countryside, and a group from the Peoples Republic of China think they are violating the ICCís environmental charter, they can take the French government to the court"

Well , the ICC¥s jurisdiction is limited ( as its own statute says) to the most serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole, wich are the followings: genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and the crime of agression.

You know, we are talking about very serious crimes, the most serious of all, and I think it¥s necessary these crimes to be judged by an international forum wich represents the international community and its principles as a whole.

Besides you said "that Bush wanted Sadam and his sons to be tried under the proper venue at the UN". So the very Bush accepts the importance of the international community regarding this kind of crimes.

You talk about the importance of the UN Security Council. Funny ,because I don¥t think your president and those who support him believe in this importance at all. It¥s precisely due to this that the best court to judge these crimes is the ICC wich is being created "ad hoc", and at the same time it¥s gonna be working close to UN?.

Anyway when someone talks about environment it always reminds me of the Kyoto Protocol, but that¥s another story and I¥m afraid I have no time today.

Third, you talk about the prosecutor as if he was a kind of Allmighty, when the truth is that he can act like many other prosecutors, literal: "If the Prosecutor concludes that there is a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation, he or she shall submit to the Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation, together with any supporting material collected.If the Pre-Trial Chamber, upon examination of the request and the supporting material, considers that there is a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation, and that the case appears to fall within the jurisdiction of the Court, it shall authorize the commencement of the investigation, without prejudice to subsequent determinations by the Court with regard to the jurisdiction and admissibility of a case" I think there is enough guarantee.

Fourth, the International Criminal Court may not be perfect, but going to a preventive war based on the information given by the CIA (just to quote one of the brilliant sources) is not perfect either, don¥t you think?.

To me , the ICC is an important step, and represents a good threat for many regimes , political leaders and company. And the best example of this is the behaviour of your own country regarding it.The ICC is a good way to prevent these crimes from happening again.

If we really want to create a better world there are things that countries should not do, like supporting dictators when it serves its interests, selling weapons to them etc .And of course ,I¥m not talking about your country only, I¥m talking about the majority of western countries, including mine, ok?

At the same time , there are other things that our countries should do, for instance supporting these kind of international instruments.

By the way I¥m not french but spaniard, but don¥t worry ,I¥ll love you the same.

°Hasta pronto!.

La Fayette:

re: why is it that when they decide to go ""live to new york"" every man looks like they need a month at club med ...?

Nice riposte. :) Touche (missing the final accent over the "e" because I don't know how)

Use Character Map:

Win9x:
click the start button.
click programs.
click accessories.
click Character Map.

WinME:
reformat hard drive, install Win98, and follow Win9x instructions.

WinXP:
Method #1: Follow WinME instructions.
Method #2: Click the start button.
click programs.
click accessories.
click system tools.
click character map.

Double-click the character you want to insert, then click 'copy'. Switch to the web browser, place the cursor in the right place, and press <Ctrl>+<V>.

Oh yeah, there's another method that works with any version of any MS OS (DOS included):
Get the decimal character number from somewhere.
turn NumLock on.
Press and hold <Alt>.
type a 0 on the number keypad, then the decimal character number (also on the number keypad).
Release <Alt>.

Nice riposte. :) Touche (missing the final accent over the "e" because I don't know how) dixit

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if I understand your question cassandra, the "e"
on Med / MÈditerrannÈe it's for you foreigners...
not for french people !
(for more simplicity to register the message, and
more language international...)

bisous to you !!

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for ken stein "le petit robot":

Win9x:
click the start button.
click programs.
click accessories.
click Character Map.
click On breathes and goes to the beach...

;) cordialement

The ICC is a joke.

The muslims in Sarajevo mortared their own market. The Dutch and French rolled over and let the Serbs slaughter the muslims in Sbrenica. The UN charter says that no country can be broken up by force of arms. It also says that any member country invaded (Iraq) can be supported by force of arms as authorized.

What pathetic organizations - the ICC and the UN. They are nearly as funny as my county council.

Ken:

Thanks - I vaguely remember getting the character thingy from Word eons ago and using the Alt method, but as one gets older, the urge to conserve mental energy takes over...

LaFayette: I'm glad the accent wasn't needed - I'm was afraid "Touche" might mean one thing WITH the accent and without the accent, might be some sort of insult to one's Mother... :)

Gala,
The original intents of the ICC was actually brought up to deal with international drug trafficking, but changed during the war crimes tribunals dealing with the genocides in Rwanda and Bosnia-Serbia. Amnesty International has proposed and the court is now considering including environmental prosecution and ìcommitting outrages on personal dignityî. I donít know about you but I find that statement somewhat broad.

It also disturbs me that these additions are being considered after the charter being ratified by 90 counrtires. The draft statute states the courts intentions "to be complementary to national criminal justice systems in cases where such trial procedures may not be available or may be ineffective." Well, as itís charter changes, who gets to decide if a stateís courts are ineffective? The broad reach of this court scares me.

This statement scares me as well: .If the Pre-Trial Chamber, upon examination of the request and the supporting material, considers that there is a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation, and that the case appears to fall within the jurisdiction of the Court, it shall authorize the commencement of the investigation, without prejudice to subsequent determinations by the Court with regard to the jurisdiction and admissibility of a case" You said "I think there is enough guarantee" but in the US we call that ìdouble jeopardy.î

Which brings me to the most important point. We have case law in this country which prohibit our lawmakers from signing any treaties that are in disagreement with our Constitution. The ICC treaty nullifies our 5th and 6th Constitutionla guarantees such the prohibition to compel the accused to be a witness against himself, inaccessibility to due processs, denial of trial by impartial jury and the right to confront your accusers, etc. As a matter of US law, we cannot be signatories.

But getting back to crimes of ìaggressionî, to what would you define ìaggression?î Would you say the US action in Afghanistan is aggression? Should US and UN peacekeepers across the globe be tried under this statute ?

As for the ICC being a good way to prevent war crimes, it may be, but hereís an alternative view from the Cato Institute:

"Finally, there is the added concern that charging a nation's political and military leaders with war crimes will undermine efforts to resolve international conflicts. Indeed, if a wartime leader were sufficiently angered by an ICC indictment, he might well decide to stay away from the negotiating table altogether. That result would lead to more death and destruction, not less"

As for the war in Iraq, you can see it anyway you want, but I supported the action based on the unwillingness of the UN Security Council to enforce its own resolutions and that I did, and still do, thing SH was a threat to the Western World. Do I have proof? No, but I will not say as a fact as some do on this forum that ìBush is a liarî because everyone in the international community was in agreement that Iraq was harboring WMDs, thatís why 1441 was signed by the entire Security Council. Also, I personally would never want to put myself in a position of stating something with absolute certainty unless I knew that particular with absolute certainty.

Beunos dias

If the Court decided to include environmental prosecution or any other thing wich hasn¥t ocurred at the time being, the countries that have ratified the statute would have to agree with that.

The statute includes the general principles of criminal law , besides it indicates that:

The Court shall apply:
(a) In the first place, this Statute, Elements of Crimes and its Rules of Procedure and Evidence;
(b) In the second place, where appropriate, applicable treaties and the principles and rules of international law, including the established principles of the international law of armed conflict;

(c) Failing that, general principles of law derived by the Court from national laws of legal systems of the world including, as appropriate, the national laws of States that would normally exercise jurisdiction over the crime, provided that those principles are not inconsistent with this Statute and with international law and internationally recognized norms and standards.

2. The Court may apply principles and rules of law as interpreted in its previous decisions.

3. The application and interpretation of law pursuant to this article must be consistent with internationally recognized human rights, and be without any adverse distinction founded on grounds such as gender as defined in article 7, paragraph 3, age, race, colour, language, religion or belief, political or other opinion, national, ethnic or social origin, wealth, birth or other status.

When you have to design an statute like this one you cannot include all the principles one by one ,but with the words posted above I still think there is enough guarantee.

You want the ICC to be perfect , I wonder whether there is a single legal system in this world that is completely perfect, is USA¥s?.I don¥t think so, but despite its mistakes and imperfections I¥m sure you still think your legal system is quite good.

The resolutions made by the UN Security Council are based on information, and they require evidence , they require information that indicates the existance of a danger, the development of WMD and the rest of particularities included in the resolutions ( wich I have read) . Where did the people in charge get this information? . Is it accurate?Because, according to the latest news I wouldn¥t trust them much.

°Buenos dÌas!

One thing, when I said " the countries that have ratified the statute would have to agree with that" what I meant was that it would be impossible to modify the statute without the acceptance of the countries involved. Remember that my english is not perfect :)

Besides, if environmental prosecution was included I¥m sure it would have to do with something much more serious than putting up housing for senior citizens somewhere in the countryside.

This is very fitting. Ever play with one of the instant label-makers? Each price-tagging. Like the ICC, Chirac envisions valuating everything according to his needs. It seems he finally stamped his forehead.