Proud to be first. Great post Scott.

Thanks for posting this. I don't think I'd actually read the whole thing before, and reading it now sent chills down my spine.

Happy Fourth!

Happy Independence Day, Scott! Thanks for providing a place for us to debate the issues of our time (both serious and trivial).

Happy 4th of July, Scrapplers!

Hope this comes out.

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Thanks Scott. I'll claim spot #4? 5?...whatever this one is in honor of the heroes that gave all so WE could enjoy this RICH gift of freedom AND in honor of those who are willing to give all in their serving. God bless our troops and God bless this incredible America! Thank you God for this country!

************"Freedom---no word was ever spoken
that has held out greater hope, demanded greater
sacrifice, needed more to be nurtured, blessed
more the giver.....or came closer to being God's
will on earth." [Omar N. Bradley]************

p.s. LOVE the festive flag Cassandra!(:~})

Great post, Scott. I actually read this every year. It is always in the local paper, and I have a faux copy on my den wall. I always enjoy reading some of the best political writing of all time.

I pray for the day when the majority of our society once again has the spirit and desire to be free as these brave souls did -- when freedom meant self reliance, not government reliance (LFC is allowed to rely on a can opener). I suppose it won't happen again until the need arises, which will likely be a sad time. But at this site, I'm preaching to the choir.

Great flag Cassandra.

Great post Scott.
Liberals beware, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack.
Got online again just in time for the post of the year.
Estacada is a great town.

Here's a really awesome flag.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/azflag.asp

Thank you Scott!

My prayer is that tomorrow, July 4th, 2003, Americans will celebrate, and appreciate the Freedom and Liberty we have in this Great Country of ours, and that someday, the rest of the World, can have the same thing! It's NOT just about Family, fireworks, picnics, and the day off, although, ALL those things are nice too!

God, that's beautiful

Scott,

No Words Can Describe How Cool that is! God Bless you Guys - Have a Happy fourth!

Grest Flag - Cassandra!

Happy Fourth,

Dr. Harden Stuhl
MD,BA,PHD,(Mostly BS)Microsoft Certified -

But Most of All Proud to Be an American!

FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM

Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things, which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

Forbid it,

Almighty God!

I know not what course others may take;

but as for me,

give me liberty
or
give me death!

HAPPY 4TH

Happy Independence Day!

Thanks for that disclaimer - I was worried that the idiotarians out there wouldn't realize that we HAVE soveriegnity, freedom, independence, etc.

They would think it's just another extension of our evil VRWC...

"endowed by their creator"

Definition: Endowed - paid in full, paid-up (as in at the cross)

My undergrad is endowed by its alumni.

Ok, that was just stupid.

of those who,
having eyes,
see not,
and,
having ears,
hear not,
the things,
which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?

endowed indeed....but jericho would it therefore be by God himself

Go USA! The USA is the best country in the world (said because it's true, and also to send Frenchman into a tailspin ;)

Happy 4th Scott and all ya'll ScrapHeaps.

Danjo
GO MARINES!

Especially to Chris who is still in Iraq. Stay safe man.

I had a friend in 1965 that kept a copy of the Declaration and the Constitution in his field pack. He was always ready to read it to us or let us read it whenever we questioned if what we were doing was worth it. Happy birthday to do the greatest country on earth, I know because I have seen too many of the others. Great flag Cassandra. Tom in Iraq, stay safe and come back to your friends alive.

Crispus Attucks, the "first martyr of the American Revolution" fired on by British soldiers in Boston on March 5, 1770.

In 1770, Crispus Attucks, a black man, became the first casualty of the American Revolution when he was shot and killed in what became known as the Boston Massacre.

BTW FIRST on the 4th of July!!!! :>)

God bless our soldiers and especialy the Greatest Generation.

July 4, 1776 / 2003 : for the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

Merry birthday to you, for this independence
DAY !!!

On July 4th 1776, the American Congress proclaims the independence of thirteen uniteds colonies of America. The text, prepared by Thomas Jefferson, John Adam and Benjamin Franklin, insists on the notion of personal freedom and condemns the English colonial politics.
Answering at the request of Insurgents, Louis XVI sends, at first, volunteers - La Fayette - After the English defeat of Saratoga, October 17th, 1777

Our French declaration of human rights and citizen of 1791 is largely based on your declaration of July 4th, 1776...

http://edu.cpln.ch/Eleve/Disciplines/Histoire/SuppCours/RevFrancaise.htm

friendly to you !

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4 juillet 1776 / 2003 : pour La DÈclaration unanime des treize Etats-Unis d'AmÈrique

Joyeux anniversaire, et bonne fÍte de l’indÈpendance AmÈricaine a vous tous !

Le 4 juillet 1776, le CongrËs amÈricain proclame l'indÈpendance des treize colonies unies d'AmÈrique. Le texte, prÈparÈ par Thomas Jefferson, John Adams et Benjamin Franklin, insiste sur la notion de libertÈ individuelle et condamne la politique coloniale anglaise.

RÈpondant ‡ la demande des Insurgents, Louis XVI envoie, dans un premier temps, des volontaires -dont La Fayette. AprËs la dÈfaite anglaise de Saratoga, le 17 octobre 1777, la France s'allie officiellement aux AmÈricains, le 6 fÈvrier 1778. Un traitÈ de commerce et une alliance dÈfensive sont signÈs...

notre dÈclaration franÁaise des droits de l’homme et du citoyen de 1791 est en grande partie basÈe
sur votre dÈclaration du 4 juillet 1776...

AmitiÈs vous tous !
;)

ps :
bravo cassandra pour votre fantastique oeuvre d'art !!! ( votre drapeau / american flag )

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Good Morning to a ROARING and THUNDERING ----- 4 th of JULY !!!!!

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As the founding fathers of the GREATEST and MIGHTIEST country ever known to mankind fought for its freedom, and the subsequent declaration of its independence on July 4, 1776, the UNITED STATES of AMERICA stands PROUDLY and MAJESTICALLY as the world's VANGUARD of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY!!!!!

From the desert of Iraq, to the mountains of Afghanistan, the plains of Europe, and the jungles of Korea ;
the U.S. Forces safeguards and guarantee the peace and freedom which all of AMERICA and the rest of the world enjoys.....

Like the EAGLE that mightily spreads its wings in the blue sky, this country will SOAR and ROAR to a PROSPEROUS, PEACEFUL, and SUCCESSFUL FUTURE!!!!!

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GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!

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I never realized how deeply attached I had become to the flag until I saw it flying in a foreign country over the entrance to one of our embassies. The "otherness" of being immersed in a culture (Japan) for several months where I did not speak the language, could not read even a street sign and had human contact mostly with business customers wasn't so bad, I thought, until one weekend I passed the US embassy in Tokyo. Only when I walked through customs back in the US several months lated did I feel the same effect - a quickening reminder of the goodness of the "otherness" that it is to be American.

The Declaration is a definition of America, and will remain one of the principle documents describing the evolution of humanity.

How fortunate we are to live in this wonderful country. In spite of our periodic problems and internal strife, this is the greatest place on earth.

La Fayette I just HAD to address you personally! Your sharing in our celebration of the Freedom and Greatness of this country is VERY touching. (:~})

Thank you SOOO much just for taking the time to do so!

It's heartening to know some hearts and hands are yet united from France to America and back. It could be the start of something GOOD (& necessary.) (:~}).

God bless you!

227 years old and it still brings a tear to my eye. I hope that they are handing out copies of this in Iraq, to let the people know how great things can really be.

LFCat in Colorado thank you very much !

I make this by pleasure and also remember, simply and for your knowledge : there is many others French as me, I am not a strangeness of the nature...

smile :)(and excuse me for my english)

friendly, et que Dieu vous protege aussi...

Those words are beautiful but do they correspond to anything in the real world ?

La Fayette: thanks for your kind words and for extending the hand of friendship across the Atlantic. God bless you and the people of France. It is appropriate today to remember Gen. LaFayette and our debt to brave Frenchmen who fought for the ideals we share.

Frenchman: ask the 28 million Americans and many immigrants from other nations who choose to become Americans every day. We are far from perfect, but we are (at least) free. On this July 4th, God Bless even you.:)

Perhaps these words will show one way "these words correspond to anything in the real world":

From Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, commemorating our Civil War dead, who died fighting to preserve the ideals set forth in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and also to set other men free.

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty
and dedicated to the proposition
that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war,
testing whether that nation
or any nation so conceived and so dedicated
can long endure.

We are met on a great battlefield of that war.
We have come to dedicate
a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives
that that nation might live.

It is altogether fitting and proper
that we should do this.
But in a larger sense,
we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate,
we cannot hallow this ground.

The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it
far above our poor power to add or detract.
The world will little note nor long remember
what we say here,
but it can never forget what they did here.

It is for us the living rather
to be dedicated here
to the unfinished work which they who fought here
have thus far so nobly advanced.

It is rather for us to be here dedicated
to the great task remaining before us--
that from these honored dead
we take increased devotion to that cause
for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--
that we here highly resolve
that these dead shall not have died in vain,
that this nation under God
shall have a new birth of freedom,
and that government of the people,
by the people, for the people
shall not perish from the earth.

AMEN!!

Bravo Scott, and Cassandra!

Thank you.

Iím truly touched by all of these posts ♥

I donít know if you all have already seen this, but an interesting essay on the 54 signatories of the Declaration by Rush Limbaughís father is here

http://rosecity.net/rush/freedom.html

(Iíd link it but canít get tag to work for some reason)

Happy Independence Day to all of you Scrapplers!

WOW FRENCHMAN! You really are jealous, aren't you?

PS: So you're having the same problem, Pooke? I tried to put an IMG tag in on my last post (see above) that would show a picture of an American flag (http://www.americanflag.com/images/(580X480)USFlag.jpg), but it doesn't seem to be showing up either.

Thank you cassandra, and congratulates you for your intuition and your intelligence so feminine...
;)

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The words without actions murder the idealism.

Les mots sans actions assassinent l'idÈalisme.

Monsieur Herbert Hoover
PrÈsident des Etats-Unis (1929-1933)

Cassandra--Queen of Scrapple you are a gem. Thanks for posting the words from that other treasured piece of foundational history....and your everflowing insight, intuition & wisdom (when you're not being the maniacal "batwoman":~}

La Fayette I know there are others of your country who extend their hands of friendship like you. You appear a gentle spirit. I can picture you always with a smile of kindness on your face. Your "english" is excused :~} I'm glad, however, your words are not missing from here because of their value.

All the rest of y'all: Old Sailor,Carolinian, Pooke, Ken Stein, etc. Your posts are great. Im sharing some of them on the air at a radio station I work for (:~}).[royalties not required since its' non-commercial :~)]

Frenchman--- bitterness is a luxury you can not afford. Sorry to see that as a hand of friendship is extended to you. You have your own hand drawn in refusal. (take some cues from La Fayette. he (she?) is certainly a much happier person than you. And I in sincerity echo Cassandras' wish: God bless even you!

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"The greatest gift which God in His bounty bestowed in creating, and the most conformed to His own goodness, and that which He prizes the most, was the freedom of the will,with which the creatures that have intelligence, they all and they alone were and are endowed."
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(just one more:~}

"What is freedom? Rightly understood, a universal license to be good."

The Treaty of Alliance between France and the United States was concluded at Paris, February 6, 1778 and ratified by Congress May 4, 1778. The treaty provided for a defensive alliance to aid France should England attack,

and that neither France nor the United States would make peace with England until the independence of the United States was recognized. The knowledge of the Alliance came to Washington on May Day, 1778.

One week later General George Washington issued the following general order:

"It having pleased the Almighty Ruler of the universe to defend the course of the United States, and finally raise up a powerful friend among the princes of the earth, to establish our Liberty and Independence upon a lasting foundation, it becomes us to set apart a day for gratefully acknowledging the Divine goodness, and celebrating the important event which we owe to His Divine interposition. The several brigades are to assemble for this purpose at nine o'clock tomorrow morning, when their chaplains will communicate the information contained in the postscript of the Pennsylvania Gazette of the 2nd instant, and offer up a thanksgiving and deliver a discourse suitable to the event. At half past ten o'clock a cannon will be fired which is to be a signal for the men to be under arms. The Brigade Inspectors will then inspect their dress and arms, and form the battalions according to the instructions given them, and announce to the commanding officers of the brigade that the battalions are formed. The commanders of brigades will then appoint the field officers to the battalions, after which each battalion will be ordered to load and ground their arms. At half past seven o'clock a second cannon will be fired as a signal for the march; upon which the several brigades will begin their march by wheeling to the right by platoons, and proceed by the nearest way to the left of their ground by the new position. This will be pointed out by the Brigade Inspectors. A third signal will then be given, on which there will be a discharge of thirteen cannon; after which a running fire of the infantry will begin on the left of the second line and continue to the right. Upon a signal given, the whole army will huzza, 'Long Live the King of France.' The artillery then begins again and fires thirteen rounds; this will be succeeded by a second general discharge of musketry, in running fire, and a huzza, 'Long Live the Friendly European Powers.' The last discharge of thirteen pieces of artillery will be given, followed by a general running and huzza, 'The American States.'"

" You know why they hate you man .....
Because they are afraid of what you represent...man...
Freedom...Real Freedom ..scares the hell out of em...all of em man"

ez-rider 1969

Thank you LFcat, :-)

1/ There is an American film which you know and which I like very much: Dance with wolves / Kevin Costner. At one time of this film there is meeting between 2 cultures, ( culture of this officer of cavalry and that of Indian first native of United States) for me it’s very interesting this idea of Present and also the humility ...( this is idea of Christ simply)

2/ Yesterday began the TOUR OF FRANCE of cycling (in the daytime of your independence), I wish
That you look at this running, because you go to discover a big reception and a lot of encouragements for your champion Lance Armstrong on behalf of French He goes, I believe to win one 5 titles and to be as an Eddy Mercx, Hinault or Anquetil...

It’s the French paradox...!

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Merci LFcat du colorado,

1 / Il y a un film amÈricain que vous connaissez et que j’aime beaucoup : Dance avec les loups /
avec Kevin Costner. A un moment du film il y a rencontre entre 2 cultures, ( celle de l’officier de cavalerie et celle des indiens premiers habitants des Etats unis ) et ce qui est
extrËmement interessant c’est l’idÈe de Cadeau et aussi d'humilitÈ... ( donner pour pouvoir
recevoir,c’est l’idÈe du Christ tout simplement ) c’est cette mÍme idÈe que j’essaye de faire avec
vous...

2 / hier a dÈbutÈ le TOUR DE FRANCE de cyclisme
( jour de votre indÈpendance...), je souhaite
que vous regardiez cette course, car vous allez dÈcouvrir un grand accueil et beaucoup
d’encouragements pour votre champion Lance Armstrong de la part des franÁais( il va, je pense gagner un 5 titres et Ítre comme un Eddy Mercx, un Hinault ou un Anquetil) ceci, c’est le paradoxe franÁais !

AmitiÈs a vous tous, et vous assure que je n’ai rien d’exceptionnel...soleil !!!

La Fayette
;)

non mais bordel, t'es en extase l‡, on dirait que tu t'adresses ‡ dieu ou au pËre noel quand tu leur parles tellement c'est mielleux, voir puant. J'ai rien contre toi mais franchement, t'as pas l'impression de trop en faire l‡?
l'idÈe du Christ humilitÈ cadeau soleil et bla et bla et bla, non mais arrÍte la drogue mec, t'as complËtement craquÈ

et puis sans vouloir casser dans ton trip aux amphËts, les indiens se sont gentiment fait exterminÈs et Lance Amstrong il est bourrÈ aux hormones et aux stÈroÔdes.

max soit sympa et va prendre le soleil ou bien va faire du sport Áa va t'Èquilibrer, tu en as bien besoin...!

Áa va soigner ton agressivitÈ.
bye bye.
;):)

Max, you donít seem to get it. It appears to me that LaFayette has an appreciation for the history of our respective countries that you and Frenchman will never have. You cannot seem to understand why, throughout two centuries, people from all over the world risked life and limb to flock to the shores of the United States. Freedom, Max. Freedom from tyrannical aristocracies and communist dictators. Freedom to take responsibility for your own life... to excel and prosper as far as your will and god-given talents will take you. These are principals that men and women in both countries fought and died for. And continue to do so throughout the world!

Our founding fathers werenít looking for someone to level the playing field or make things ìfairî or create some socialist utopia. They were simply men longing to be free and to create a government that was limited in its power over its people.

That is why, Max even to this day, Cubans, Pakistanis, Iranians, Chineese, Indians, Mexicans, etc. continue to risk their lives to get here. They want to be free, Max. They, unlike you, are wise enough to understand that even with itís flaws, the United States is the greatest country in the world and offers them this opportunity more than any country in the world.

Oh, and the pot-shot at Lance Armstrong? Have you NO sense of decency?

PREACH it Bobby!!. Good stuff!. Touche'!

Max--do you actually enjoy being miserably synical, angry, arrogant and hateful?

My--ahem--"command" of the French language is basically limted to "por favor" & "merci".........but from what I was able to correctly discern from your post(confirmed by Bobby)--I suspect your favorite response to life itself is: BAH HUMBUG!. I genuinely pity you.

Furthermore, have you ever looked in your own heart & asked yourself why the name of God or Christ is so offensive to you, "por favor"? You don't need to answer me... but how about you honestly answer yourself....please spare me any defensive response, too. You will only further expose your divisive nature...As for the "God stuff"...the good news is that even if you don't believe in Him or you simply hate Him...it still doesn't alter or change the fact that He loves (values) you!

LaFayette--aaahhh thank you for the reminder of God's "law" of mercy & grace based covenant that was so POWERFULLY paralleled in Dances w/Wolves. I'll have to watch it again now.:~} NOW the "Source" of your meekness and gentle spirit makes sense :~}. Your example convicts me.

***scrapplers: fear not!--I won't be "passin' the offering plate"& nor can my paws really bang the pulpit that loud! (:~})

Lafayotte: c'est pas de l'aggressivitÈ, c'est du dÈgout, tu tiens un discours mielleux et "charmeur", comme un valet parle ‡ son roi.
C'est dÈtestable.

Bobby: but what are you talking about? do I say something about freedom or politics or whatever...?
No.
So why bother?

LFCat: my english is limited to "bitte" & "thanks".

Max honey! I'm Dutch so I don't speak for absolute certainty here but I belive "bitte" is German--??. Are you certain you didnt mean BITTER?

Oh, and the pot-shot at Lance Armstrong? Have you NO sense of decency? dixit

bravo bobby !

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max donne nous des preuves a tes accusations
sur Armstrong...

en ce qui me concerne et comme …PICT»TE, je te
repond ceci : ´ Si l'on te rapporte qu'un tel dit du mal de toi, ne te dÈfends pas contre ses propos, mais rÈponds : "C'est qu'il ignorait mes autres dÈfauts ; sans quoi il ne se serait pas bornÈ ‡ ceux-l‡." ª

sache aussi que mon message "mielleux" et de "lËche" est trop complexe pour ton petit esprit, et que je vais pas me justifier devant toi
si ce n'est que c'est un message totalement gratuit et qui a un sens tres profond...(mais
toi comme l'image d'un iceberg tu vois la face visible et non celle qui est cachÈe )

A MEDITER /
´ L'on me dit tant de mal de cet homme, et j'y en vois si peu, que je commence ‡ soupÁonner qu'il n'ait un mÈrite importun qui Èteigne celui des autres. ª

Jean de LA BRUY»RE / Les CaractËres

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Excuse I friends of scrappleface, but it was necessary that I answer in my language.

si t'as peur que je casse ton commerce de tour eiffel en plastique...

enfin, fais comme tu veux mais personnellement j'ai du mal ‡ employer un ton condescendant avec les gens de ce forum.

en France il a 15% de gens comme eux, et c'est dÈj‡ 15% de trop.

Au contraire, je suis plutot l‡ pour dÈfendre l'idÈe que le monde n'est pas forcÈment celui qu'on leur montre, et le tout sans avoir peur de me faire traiter d'anti patriote (je fais rÈfÈrence aux antiBush, soit plus de 50% des AmÈricains...)

alors si tes 90% d'interet valent plus que tes 10% de lËche, amuse toi bien et bonne chance.

Max:

The "anti-Bush" is not more than 50% of Americans. His approval ratings are currently hovering in the 60-70% area.

You are, no doubt, referring to the results of the 2000 election. Even if Gore had a slight majority in the popular vote (which is, incidentally, not a settled issue by any means), quite a lot has happened since then.

mon pauvre max je crois effectivement puis ce que tu me vois comme un commerÁant et un bonimenteur de tour eiffel que nous avons pas grand choses en
commun, car c'est exactement le contraire moi
c'est plutot la statue de la libertÈ mon truc !!
(car je rÍve de la modifier...rires)

je crois que dans la VIE il faut savoir Ècouter les AUTRES,( et pas uniquement les etats
unis )et que j'essaye d'ecouter et de crÈer des choses sans juger et sans critiquer ou dÈtruire le travail des autres comme tu le fais sur un air de superioritÈ et d'arrogance typiquement franÁais.

qui es tu pour juger de ceci ?

j'ai tres certainement l'age d'Ítre ton pËre et je peux t'assurer que tu sais rien ou pas grand choses de la vie, et sans vouloir etre vieux jeu...car j'ai le sentiment d'etre plus jeune
que toi dans ma tete.

sache que tu n'as pas a penser que tu es si superieur en ayant a l'idÈe de "ta bonne parole"
au sujet de ta "dÈfense" du monde entier contre
les mÈchants etats unis surtout le lendemain de leur anniversaire d'indÈpendance !!! (grotesque)

je trouve ceci infiniment stupide de prÈtentions.

pour ma part je ne dÈfend pas les etats unis, ils ont pas besoin de moi pour Áa / tu piges !

je suis venu pour donner un autre ton et une autre
idÈe de la France, et si Áa te plait pas tant
pis car je vais continuer puis ce que cela a l'air
de te plaire ou alors ne viens plus sur ce forum d'idÈes et va sur des forums en europe ou tu
vas trouver tes idÈes a ta convenance, moi
j'y vais plus depuis longtemps...

en ce qui concerne Frenchman, il a pour sa part fort bien compris mon idÈe de base et il est un
peu plus intelligent que toi, mÍme si nous ne
sommes pas sur les mÍmes ondes en ce qui concerne l'amerique...

je te salue bien bas.

La Fayette

ps : j'ai toujours pas les preuves de tes accusations en ce qui concerne Armstrong !!!

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´ Quand on n'est pas intelligible, c'est qu'on n'est pas intelligent. ª

Victor HUGO

LFC: Aw, I wanted to get rich off my ScrappleFace posts! Just kidding, if you want to, you can air any of 'em, so long as you don't pull any Michael Moore tricks on them (in Bowling for Columbine, he used a lot of cut-and-paste to make Charleston Heston say things he never said, at times he didn't say it)

Max: How about some English? If you want me to reply to any of your posts, you gotta post in a language I can understand. Not that you want another person poking (or pookeing) holes in your arguments.

Ken Stein REST assured. I used the posts verbatim. Nothing added...nothing taken away.(:~}). If I REMOTELY suspected you were serious re: the "Michael Moore of nothing to say" comment....well....I'd be insulted..but I know you are merely --ahem---POOKEING fun at me! MUHAHAHAHA.(:~})( could NOT resist pookeing some fun myself...:~}{is it illegal to crack up one's self? :~})

Won't Mr. Moore cry and sigh when "Farenheit 911"'s what he feels backflashing in his face when his proposed flopumentary backfires on him? Poor, pitiful king of delusion that he is.....
Mr. Moore!..if you're looking for something to eat---bite into this: T R U T H!

for Lafayette:

je ne dÈfends pas le monde, j'essaye juste de faire rÈflÈchir ces personnes sur leur idÈes politiques et sur leur propre image, on appelle Áa un dÈbat.

"et sans critiquer ou dÈtruire le travail des autres comme tu le fais sur un air de superioritÈ et d'arrogance typiquement franÁais."

d'une part je ne dÈtruis rien, d'autre part la critique est le fondement mÍme de la dÈmocratie (ca doit etre pour Áa qu'ils la supportent mal)

For the others:
Lafayette want proofs about pot-shot and Lance Amstrong, and I want proofs about WMD and Irak.

For LC Cat:
"Max honey! I'm Dutch so I don't speak for absolute certainty here but I belive "bitte" is German--??. Are you certain you didnt mean BITTER?"

--->'My--ahem--"command" of the French language is basically limted to "por favor" & "merci" '

LCCat sweety, 'bitte' is german, yes, but 'por favor' is spanish, not french :)

oops! My bad, Max!!... I realize you're most definitely right!.

I jest wish all them dang furrners would just go back to their respektive kuntries en KWIT mixxin' up all our tawken!!. They're all cornfuzing de daylights outta me en I kent keep my uffishull langwedge of the united nayshuns strayt!

I bet it was a bit (or bitte? tee hee) of a delight for you to get to point out my goof! :~})...

Egg on my face, Max...as they say here in this country you are "bitter" toward (:~}).. Will I make my mistake right by you if I go to the bakery and buy a croissant to go with the egg on my face?--or would I need to buy a tortilla? (:~})

Oh and Max honey! It's LFC not LCC...so are we 1 for 2 now? (:~})....( really!.i'm just playing--it's a nice change in the sometimes tense "scrapplesphere")

P.S. would you like proof of WMD in Irak or Iraq?......pah dum ching--played on a makeshift cymbal once used as an Hor D'oeuvres tray :~})

He's a clueless liberal. He'll blame everyone but himself when his new flopumentary (very funny!) flops. It'll be our fault for being 'mean-spirited'.

(Nov. 2003) SHAME ON YOU MR STEIN!...SHAME ON YOU YOU MEAN SPIRITED FICTITIOUS SCRAPPLER!

**(note to audience from technical crew: duck the spit!)

"When in the course of human events..." I wonder if PETA has ever complained about the specieism.

to idiotmax :

"je ne dÈfends pas le monde, j'essaye juste de faire rÈflÈchir ces personnes sur leur idÈes politiques et sur leur propre image" dixit

personnellement j'ai nul besoin de tes idÈes pour reflechir correctement, et je deteste les agressifs hysteriques dans ton genre.

essaye de faire travailler ta petite tÍte
et sur l'image qui se dÈgage de ta personne en
affirmant par exemple : "il n'y a que des gros
en amerique", ou ce "j'aime l'amerique" qui sent
plutÙt une profonde haine ancestrale...etc etc !

ton cinema va le faire au americains, pas a moi !
( je connais un peu trop bien vos "idÈes")

ps : il est mielleux mon message !!!?? (rires)

"essaye de faire travailler ta petite tÍte
et sur l'image qui se dÈgage de ta personne en
affirmant par exemple : "il n'y a que des gros
en amerique", ou ce "j'aime l'amerique" qui sent
plutÙt une profonde haine ancestrale...etc etc !"

pour ta premiËre citation, je rÈpondais juste au gentil message prÈcedent qui disait "Paris is a jungle of losers", c'est une joute verbale, mais j'avoue avoir exagÈrÈ, il n'y en a que 60%...

et puis mon "J'aime l'amÈrique", je le confirme, ce que je n'aime pas c'est le gouvernement amÈricain, tout simplement parcequ'on ne peut pas faire confiance ‡ un gars qui a comme (seul) livre de chevet la bible, on ne peut pas faire confiance ‡ un gouvernement qui dit avoir trouvÈ des armes, qui lance une guerre ‡ cause de ce prÈtexte, et qui finalement n'en trouve pas, on ne peut pas faire confiance ‡ un gouvernement qui fait la guerre au monde parceque tel ou tel pays n'est pas exactement formatÈ comme ils l'entendent ...etc etc

ne t'inquiËte pas, ton discours mielleux n'est pas si original que Áa, les Vichystes avaient le mÍme avec Hitler et ses petits potes, ils y avaient eux aussi leurs intÍrets, mais en attendant, des trains partaient la pologne.

des trains partaient _vers_ la pologne.

Excuse me Max for having treated you as idiot, no
You are not stupid but simply patient...

Your fixation and your rÈpetition on the same subject Nazis = America me has this analysis, and I wish you to be quickly cured.
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excuse moi Max de t'avoir traitÈ d'idiot, non
tu es pas idiot mais tout simplement malade...

ta fixation et ta rÈpetition sur le mÍme sujet
nazis = amerique me conduise a cette analyse, et je te souhaite de guÈrir rapidement.

bye
:(

ps : mon conseil / va prendre l'air !!!

bon Ècoute, tu comprends rien ‡ rien

j'ai jamais aimÈ discuter avec les vÈgÈtaux

alors ++

bisous

for the others, i'm not saying that usa = nazi, i'm saying that Lafayette act like collaborationists, not with the same ideas, but with the same methods.

I lived overseas in Spain. Great people by the way. Never thought much about my Americanism until I went with my family to the airport to meet the President on a visit.

When the band struck up the National Anthem I found myself crying. It was so startling to me that I would react this way since I didn't feel particularly homesick. I will never forget that feeling.

Good evening mikey,
Then imagine the one who meets himself on a sporting event, and who listens to his national anthem.

But I believe that it is necessary to be internationalist (not in the sense of the communist song !!) and not nationalist,
because one day a single hymn for this little planete...

bye friend ;)

ps : in Spain : Madrid ??? Barcelona ???

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bonsoir mikey,
alors imagine celui qui se retrouve sur une compÈtition sportive et qui Ècoute son hymne national.

mais je crois qu'il faut Ítre internationaliste
( pas au sens du chant communiste ) et pas nationaliste, car un jour un seul hymne pour cette petite planete...

Greetings old friends
Just spent another 4th of July watching fireworks on foriegn soil. Next year I may be somewhere in America for the festivities. I've celebrated the 4th on 3 continents now, but it's also been my good fortune to spend the day at a lot of great locations in the good old USA.

(Yikes - unintentional possible country music song line above!)

I'm told by a friend who visited France over the holiday that restaurants in the small town where he stopped offered free food and drink to Americans on the fourth. In some ways small town France is not so different from small town America.

But likewise their are vocal anti-Americans in both countries. But what a sad Holiday this must have been for the pathetic Americans who were dismayed utterly by America's recent military success; the sad lot who cheer in silence each time an American soldier is gunned down from behind by a Ba'athist coward because it might result in another vote against George Bush next year. Do you suppose that like the Grinch on Christmas they must be feeling quite stunned to see celebration on this great day? Do you think that like Max or Frenchman they are incapable of understanding greatness of purpose or clarity of vision? Do they sit in darkened homes and rage silently at the foolishness of those of us who celebrate freedom? While the rest of us picnic and swim and boat and do the thousand other things that make mid-summer great (thank our founding fathers for not signing on the 4th of February); or simply gather together as families or larger communities to enjoy the freedom bought by the sacrifice of Americans through the years, that while we do those life- affirming things others gnash their teeth in silent rage at their own impotence to ever stop the tide of the on-going American revolution?

How nice they can post comments on ScrappleFace. That's the freedom even they have; bought and paid for by Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen around the world through the last 230 years.

A belated happy fourth, ScrappleFans. And here's my gift to you. (Right click and open in new window, bitte.)

Actually the founding father came to America to be able to worship God as they believed it was right, and to escape religious oppression that was very prevalent in europe during that time.

However now we are busy doing the same, we dont allow our kids to pray in school, but as an improvement we have metal detectors in place.

Also we rule that the phrase "One nation under GOD" is unconstitutional (whatever loony judge decided that!), and in the same time are ignorant that the constitution was derived from the laws of God.

You can say about Bush what you want, but at least he doesnt allow this stuff to continue and does all he can to stop these "law"makers from deteriorating the spirit of the constitution any further.

Mon cher Marquis,

Autant je desapprouve Max sur la forme (parfois inelegante) et le manque de nuance dans sa critique, autant je l' approuve sur le fond dans les grandes lignes de la critique qu'il fait de vos propos.

Pour faire moi meme une critique beaucoup plus generale, j'ai l'impression que nombre d'Etasuniens ont du mal a voir le monde tel qu'il est a travers le rideau de fumee de leur propagande.

Comme les Francais au temps des colonies, "on" leur raconte beaucoup de belles histoires pleines de bons sentiments.

"Freedom", "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite" C'est tres joli, mais les faits sont durs a dissimuler sous les flots des discours patriotiques et des grands mots qui font plaisir.

Tout cela pour dire que les Etatsuniens me semblent avoir du mal a voir le reel et preferent s'enivrer de bons sentiments.

Bien cordialement,

quand l'AmÈrique a un problËme, elle bombarde quelque chose et quelqu'un, et dessine une Histoire dont ressort une morale : il y a les AmÈricains et il y a les autres, dont la vie mÍme n'a pas une grande importance.

The inspiration for the Constitution was (among others) the Magna Carta, and has little or nothing to do with the 10 Commandments. I've read them both, and I can't see the parallels.

As we rapidly approach July 15th, let us remember La Fayette, let us remember the Resistance, let us remember the good people of France who have never forgotten that our two contries were born side by side in blood and fire.

Viva la France. Viva la Belle Republique.

(forgive my complete lack of knowledge of the French language)

But SRG, the founding fathers did read and quote Blackstone, who wrote much on canon law. There is a lot more to Jewish law than just the Big Ten, and that was much of the basis of our law.

Separation of powers, individual rights, and so forth are certainly man made workings of government, but our very idea of government and the rule of law, and so much of it's detail, is from God.

thank you very much SOME RANDOM GUY for your support and your comprehension, but my
friend it's the July 14th and not 15th, but it's not very important
(la prise de la bastille le 14 juillet 1789 / commÈmoration de notre revolution franÁaise )

10 days after you !!
bye and merci infiniment...

;) ;)

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mon cher FRENCHMAN, merci pour votre remarque et
votre critique ( je ne suis pas parfait il est vrai que j’ai repondu sec ), si je
me suis fachÈ essentiellement contre Max, car je n'ai pas aimÈ comme vous
dites l'inelegance et l'injure pas tres intelligente sur mon message de gentillesses sinceres...

je vous confirme que je ne trouve pas ce qu'il y a de mal de souhaiter la victoire d'un coureur americain sur le tour de france...?

pourquoi ? / parce que pour moi sans faire du “cirage de pompes” aux americains
apres les evenements d’irak j’estime que c’est important pour le public americain
de voir a la TV que des franÁais supportent leur champion, autant qu’un belge
ou un franÁais ou un allemand, par fair play !

mais si un franÁais gagne ce tour 2003 j’en serais hyper ravi, croyez moi...

je vous assure que c’est pas pour faire plaisir a certains americains que j’ai dÈcidÈ
d’ecrire ceci, ou pour faire ma promotion...( ce n’est pas mon genre et c’est pas ma nature...je suis plutot extremement critique pour certaines choses ) mais mÍme si j’ai des critiques a faire
a l’amerique, je prefere me taire et prefere qu’elle les dÈcouvres par elle mÍme...

personne n’est parfait, moi non plus !

Ne carricaturez pas les Americains comme de grands enfants irresponsables, c’est d’apres
moi pas du tout le cas, ils ont dÈmontrÈs en allant sur la LUNE ou en inventant l’electricitÈ
que nous avons rien a leur apprendre de ce cotÈ...

vous en souhaitant bonne lecture, et bien cordialement a vous.

La Fayette
;)

Abas! I got the date wrong!

Must disagree. All government and law is the creation of people. Simple beginnings, the rules for living together in a group, helping each others, watching each other's backs, protecting the children.
Same sort of organizational pattern as a wolf pack. It all grew from there.

je ne vois pas en quoi mes propos sont si violents que Áa, c'Ètait une faÁon de stopper LaFayotte dans son extase huluberluesque, bref, la prochaine fois j'enverrai des bombes Áa sera plus ÈlÈgant et beaucoup plus propre.

Le fait est que sur le fond et la forme je suis complËtement d'accord avec Frenchman.

And for Greyhawk, "bitte" is to english what "por favor"(dixit LFCat) is to french.

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Max...and YOU got that "revelation" about bitte being German from ME because YOU had said it was one of 2 words you "knew" in ENGLISH...or was that Iraki....err...uh....at least ya got the LFC right this time, WOW...I'm whelmed.:~} Are you substitute teacher today or playing the principal?

"je ne vois pas en quoi mes propos sont si violents que Áa" dixit ta prose.

alors il faut apprendre a lire avant d'essayer
de parler franÁais, et d'essayer de faire des "finesses".

tu sais, ( tu as remarquÈ que je te tutoie contrairement a frenchman, c'est a cause de mon
grand age _ excuse moi, smile !! ) nous n'avons pas gardÈ les vaches et les cochons ensemble gamin...

allez gros dodo !
;)

´ Un homme d'esprit dit une chose sans y penser ; un sot la dit sans la penser. ª
Jean-Benjamin de LABORDE / PensÈes et Maximes (1791)

max te laisse pas faire !!! j'ai la tres nette
impression que LFCat in Colorado est moqueuse
envers de toi...

essaye de ne pas Ítre trop vulgaire avec elle simplement c'est une femme, et tu connais la rÈputation d'elegance des franÁais dans ce
domaine...

Different document, same spirit: Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,secure the blessings of Liberty...

All else is vanity and vexation, sound and fury signifying nothing.

LFCat, ok ok you're right..i don't care.

Lafayette laisse tomber aussi, en fait j'en ai strictement rien ‡ faire de tout Áa.

Do what you want (as usual), you're right, kill, burn, pollute, destroy, you're wise, intelligent, beautiful, the other are too stupid for you, kill them all ,I don't care :)

Kisses.

Dear All,

Always resorting to the “lyrical and noble” self-righteous rhetoric to avoid to talk about what the USA is actually doing in the real world is childish.

Please save the "noble rhetoric" speeches for the kids in elementary school.

We are not impressed.

Mon cher Marquis,

La lune fut conquise par les savants nazis que les Etatsuniens ont recuperes en 1945.

Quant ‡ inventer l'ÈlectricitÈ, je pense que vous faites allusion ‡ Edison. Son intelligence, incontestable, n'Ètait apparemment pas contagieuse si j'en juge par le niveau culturel de ce forum. Avez vous remarquÈ que les references de nos amis sont quasiment toujours extraites de leurs stupides films de cinema ‡ gros budget ? Les Etasuniens sont connus pour ne pas etre trËs "bookish" mais les notres battent tous les records !

Cordialement,

Frenchman:

Yes, we Americans are a silly people, far below the level of sophistication you exemplify. You, on the other hand, document each of your points with references to great works of literary and philosophical thought?

Such as CNN (Credibility Not Needed) links? Or perhaps the brilliantly worded and unimpeachably sourced:

THERE ARE NO WMD's
ALL AMERICANS ARE LIARS

My dear Frenchman, excuse me for my English, because I will answer in this language by respect
towards my American friends of scrappleface.

1/ Effectively VON BRAUN program apollo / was German but not Nazi, or then EINSTEIN was Nazi too...!!!

2 / yes it’s well EDISON which I thought, and I have not really appreciate your allusions on
people of this forum which I find more intelligent than on forums European...

With regard to their films, me I like very much !!! ( I have see the Green Mile with
tom Hanks / splendid....I LOVE )

Comme vous pouvez le constater une fois de plus
nous ne sommes pas du mÍme avis frenchman...;)

cordialement et bonne soirÈe.

Okay Frenchman, let's talk about what the US is doing in the real world

US Aid
-Africa Education Initiative
-Trade for African Development and Enterprise
-Initiative to End Hunger in Africa

-Congo Basin Forest Partnership
-Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief
-Famine Fund

-Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria
-Mother and Child HIV Prevention Initiative

-Water for the Poor Initiative

Total: $2billion for FY 03

New Proposal: $15billion

World Food Program
-$18.5mm (EC=$11.7)

Relief Web (UN)
-$31 mm (EC= 8.3mm)

Unicef
-$282mm (France $91mm)

I can continue if you like, but you get the gist, Oui?

as you say, Cordialement,

good evening Cassandra,
you are right to irritate you, but he does this for this reason...

bonsoir Cassandra, vous avez raison de vous Ènerver, mais il fait Áa pour cela...

;):~}bye

parait qu'ils font des remises sur les cours d'anglais ces temps-ci.

Edison?

Bah!!! Phooey on Edison! His only real talent was self-promotion and patenting others work in his name.

Nikola Tesla is the man.

And as for poorly scripted, badly directed movies...Try "Voyage to the Moon" by Milliere (sp?).

(gotta confess: I love hack Sci-Fi movies just as much as the good stuff. They're a hoot!)

Anyone seen "Alphaville"?

No, but I just googled it and read a review and a quotes page. Looks interesting.

I've heard that 'Plan 9 from outer space' is known as the worst movie of all time.

Tesla was a little wierd. He liked pigeons a lot (kept them as pets), and used something like 21 napkins every time he ate. You know, like Howard Hughes. But he came up with lots of cool inventions (the Tesla coil, fluorescent lights, AC electric power, polyphase AC electric power, the 'skin effect', and a small oscillator that could knock buildings down, as well as many inventions that we still don't understand.) I read that he could simulate things in his head, and thus invent things without ever writing down the intermediate steps or building prototypes.

Edison liked DC power rather than AC. You can see how far he got, since no one has DC outlets in their houses. Edison also thought it was crazy that people would put power lines on telephone poles. He did come up with a very minor invention though: The light bulb.

mille excuses Some random guy, mais c'est bien
thomas Edison le dÈcouvreur principal et le propagateur de l'electricitÈ actuel, Nikola Tesla celebre genie travaille pour edison a partir de 1884 (il est son employÈ et il n'a pas le brevet d'auteur)

http://www.onnouscachetout.com/themes/technologie/tesla.php

par contre je vous precise que c'est l'allemand Otto de Guericke qui invente une machine pouvant engendrer de l'ÈlectricitÈ par le frottement en 1660 mais malheureusement restera au stade
d'essai et qu'edison a repris bien plus tard
a son compte...

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LE VOYAGE DANS LA LUNE / Voyage to the Moon
( 1902 ) c'est de georges MELIES et non pas de MILLIERE...

c'est un des premiers films franÁais et du monde,
c'est en noir et blanc et un peu etrange ( le
monde fÈerique du cirque un peu ) avec des effets techniques visuels completement dÈpassÈs de nos jours.

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to cassandra :Anyone seen "Alphaville"?

oui cassandra j'ai vu ce film il y a bien longtemps / le scenario est tres interessant
mais je pense qu'un realisateur du type Spielberg
aurais fait bien mieux de l'idÈe principal et
avec le professeur von Braun...(rires)

je n'aime pas beaucoup le "cinema" de Jean Luc GODART...brrrr

excusez moi de vous ecrire en franÁais, je suis
un peu pressÈ !

amitiÈs et bien a vous tous

Don't forget radio, the tunable circuit, remote control, the basic technology behind the transistor, the AND logic-gate, and about 80 or 90 other patents.
In a nutshell, he invented most 20th Century technology.

Marconi was a thief. See the 1947 Supreme Court decision.

The oscillator was fun. He started a small earthquake in NY with it.

And even though he ran out of money and had to abandon the Wardenclyffe Tower unfinished, it took the demolision crews three tries and lots of dynamite to knock it down. And no metal was used in the construction.

But he was a serious nut-case. He was afraid of spherical objects and human hair. He had to polish his plates and silverware with 18 napkins before he could eat. He never ordered dishes that were on the menu, and he had to calculate the volume of each bite.
But wierdest of all, he did like pigeons.

Wonder if he ever got his death-ray to work.

Margaret Cheney wrote a good biography.

yes, it's a great genious of this world...

;)

I still maintain that the best rocket scientists were and are germans.

It is to be noted that the atom scientists of the US war program were talking between them in Hungarian.

The electrical engineer, and scientist Nikola Tesla was born on July 1856 in Smiljan, Lika (Austria-Hungary).

Cordialement,

After the war,von Braun and 126 other key German rocket scientists accepted an offer to work on rocket developments in the United States.

http://www.nationalaviation.org/museum_enshrinee.asp?eraid=6&enshrineeid;=419

And as to being a nazi, this is a very dialectical question when we known what happened in Pennemunde.

Dear Bobby,

Loans ALWAYS come with strings.

They are not innocent gifts.

"You receive my money and then you have to obey me !"

When you receive my loan, I could "perhaps" then ask you "kindly" to import my Genetically Modified JUNK FOOD or my weapons and to pay them with the money I just lent you ! And you have no choice !

And when you are an International Organization, you then could too be kindly asked to shut up and obey.

Cordialement,

PS: Even the Marshall Plan came with strings...

Dear Cassandra,

THERE ARE NO WMD.
BUSH IS A LIAR.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3051963.stm

Cordialement,

I believe Fermi spoke with an Italian accent, and Oppenheimer was German.

And the two real rocket pioneers were an American (Goddard) and a Russian (Tsolitovski).

And the two real rocket pioneers were an American (Goddard) and a Russian (Tsolitovski) / dixit

excuse me some random guy, but you have not really reason...

the FIRST rocket classic of humanities is Chinese ( 17 century ), and in 1250 ( the marco polo's travel ) he explains what the Chinese use the gunpowder !

bien amicalement a vous !
;)

Dear some random guy,

1)Real Science is always far more complicated than nationalistic propaganda. Science is a collective and international work.

http://www.spaceline.org/rockethistory.html

2)Highly skilled (often imported) scientists working in the US do not give any information on the level of education of the average US citizen.

3)What about the vicarious pride for scientific achievements in which you didn't ever personnally take part ?

4)Do you remember that Gallo ("US" scientist) tried to usurp the discovery of Montagnier ("French" scientist) about AIDS because they exchanged information as it is usually done in the International Scientific Community (NIH 1994)?

Cordialement,

Frenchman:

Your arguments are not supported by the facts or by logic.

re:

When you receive my loan, I could "perhaps" then ask you "kindly" to import my Genetically Modified JUNK FOOD or my weapons and to pay them with the money I just lent you ! And you have no choice !

***this is silly - one always has a choice as long as one is willing to live with the consequences. You cannot force anyone to buy anything short of putting a gun to their head, which does not describe your scenario. Since you continually claim to be more well-educated than Americans, check out Epictetus on this subject.

re: And when you are an International Organization, you then could too be kindly asked to shut up and obey.

***Let's see... the US bankrolls most of the UN, but last time I checked, they didn't roll on Iraq. You can ask for cooperation, you can apply pressure (as both the US and France did when asking other nations to support their positions). You cannot compel cooperation. Again, there is always a choice involved. I believe France made that choice. Unfortunately, they then have complained vociferously about the consequences of that choice (which is their option), but the fact that they chose to oppose us proves that there is indeed choice involved. To assert otherwise is dishonest.

Your other post requires more time to answer than I have at present, however...

...to quote an American movie character (which I have never done before, and do now only to poke a bit of fun at your remark that Americans have no culture and are reduced to quoting stupid movies to support their arguments)...

"I'll be back"

The Terminator

cassandra, je comprend votre rÈaction de colËre
a propos de frenchman et de son insulte a votre
president ( "BUSH IS A LIAR" / dixit )

pas terrible frenchman, pas terrible :( :(

( c'est idiot car vous gachez par ce genre de faÁons de faire des trucs interessants...je ne
vous approuve pas et je ne vous comprend pas ?)

Bush is right, you will find soon the WMD.

La Fayette:

I'm sorry - I did not understand most of your comment (above).

pas terrible frenchman, pas terrible :( :(

**Is this: "not a terrible frenchman, but a terrible person?"

( c'est idiot car vous gachez par ce genre de faÁons de faire des trucs interessants...je ne
vous approuve pas et je ne vous comprend pas ?)

***It is stupid to waste time arguing or being angry at frenchman? Or did I miss the point?

Sorry - my French is not very good :) One of many areas in which I am ignorant.

ok, excuse me cassandra sorry !

the first paragraph it's for you, and the remainder of the precedent message being for him.

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for frenchman :

"pas terrible frenchman, pas terrible :( :(

( c'est idiot car vous gachez par ce genre de faÁons de faire des trucs interessants...je ne
vous approuve pas et je ne vous comprend pas ?)"

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for cassandra :

I want say to frenchman my deception, following its message concerning your president.

the expression in french "pas terrible" wanting to express a desaprobation...you understand ?
(it's not a terrible man for me!!!!_ smile )

you are not "idiot" cassandra, because they are very difficults expressions of the French language for a foreigner(you do not worry, because he understood my message.)

friendly et amitiÈs a vous cassandre prophetesse... ;) :) excuse me !!!

Even in french it is difficult to understand Lafayotte, this is surely due to his alcohol and drugs abuse.

The Americans did find the WMDs Max. It is you and the Frenchman. I think it stands for Wankers of Meddlesome Duplicity. Now you Yanks know what we Brits have to put up with. Have a nice Holiday America - no hard feelings.

bonjour DUCON LAJOIE alias Max ( d'ailleurs je vais desormais t'appeller ainsi c'est mieux que
Max beaucoup trop americain comme pseudo pour toi...),

j'ai trouvÈ en lisant ce matin les infos un copain a toi...

"Un hacker de 17 ans arrÍtÈ pour avoir piratÈ plus de 2000 sites internet.

Un lycÈen de 17 ans et demi a ÈtÈ arrÍtÈ fin juin dans les Yvelines( region de PARIS )et laissÈ libre sous contrÙle judiciaire, soupÁonnÈ d'avoir piratÈ environ 2000 sites internet gouvernementaux et militaires dans le monde, a-t-on appris mercredi auprËs de la police judiciaire de Lille chargÈe de l'enquÍte.
Le jeune lycÈen, qui opÈrait sous le pseudonyme "DKD", effaÁait les pages d'accueil des sites visÈs pour y installer des messages ‡ caractËre politique "en faveur par exemple de la cause palestinienne ou contre le gouvernement amÈricain"...

suite a lire !

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moi, je trouve que tu ressembles parfaitement
a ce genre d'individus et que ton "systeme de
pensÈe" me fait penser soit a une marionnette telÈguidÈe, soit a un petit surveillant de GOULAG
sovietique...

ps : effectivement je me drogue au Nutella ! (rires)

La Fayette toujours en guerre contre vous !!!

http://infos.aol.fr/info/ADepeche?id=175703&cat;_id=5

LIAR
NOUN: One that tells lies.

BIG LIE
NOUN: Repeated distortion of the truth on a grand scale, especially for propaganda purposes.

The American HeritageÆ Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

I do not think that it is an insult. Politicians and even Statemen are lying. It is their job.

Their fellow citizens can then tolerate it or not...

Cordialemment,

PS: Chirac included ;-)

Mon cher Marquis,

Je suis irrite parfois parce que j'ai l'impression que les posters de Scrappleface n'admettent la satire que quand ils sont "du cotÈ du manche".

Il est evident que, moi aussi, j'exagere par moments. J'adore me servir de l'Èducation ÈlevÈe que j'ai eu la chance de recevoir comme d'une arme de contre propagande.

La Haute Culture et en particulier la Haute Culture FranÁaise sont menacÈes par la SOUS Culture de masse venue des USA. Disney et Mac Donald et leur cortege de mediocritÈ sont consideres comme un reel danger par ceux qui, comme moi, pensent qu'il n'y a pas de democratie possible sans Èlecteurs eclairÈs et donc eduquÈs.

Cordialement,

"La Haute Culture et en particulier la Haute Culture FranÁaise sont menacÈes par la SOUS Culture de masse venue des USA. Disney et Mac Donald et leur cortege de mediocritÈ sont consideres comme un reel danger par ceux qui, comme moi, pensent qu'il n'y a pas de democratie possible sans Èlecteurs eclairÈs et donc eduquÈs."

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bonjour cher frenchman,
au moins je reconnais qu'avec vous
( contrairement a un autre ) il y a de la classe dans votre dÈbat et mÍmes si nos positions sont assez differentes et eloignÈes.

en ce qui concerne la "haute" culture franÁaise,
je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous, car comme
vous le savez la crÈation litteraire / picturale /
musicale / etc etc... est fort interessante
actuellement aux etats unis et bien meilleure
que la crÈation pompeuse et Èlitiste franÁaise ou europÈenne. ( savez vous le nombre d'artistes
europÈens qui partent aux etats unis chaques annÈes...! )

vous savez, moi contrairement a vous je n'ai pas
rÈalisÈ de "grandes" Ètudes a cause d'un systeme Èducatif que j'ai rejetÈ en son temps ( et aussi a cause de la politique / ce qui ne veux pas dire que je n'ai pas travaillÈ a me cultiver...mais par moi mÍme et par saine curiositÈ)

c'est pour cette raison que je raisonne differement.

Moi, contrairement a vous j'adore Disney ( mÍme
si je prefere Droopy de TEX Avery, rires ) et comme vous je ne rafole pas des Mc DO mais de temps en temps j'aime bien...

je pense que la culture est faite pour toute
la population et pas pour une Èlite qui dÈtruit
cette CREATION par son snobisme, et c'est aussi
pour cette raison que j'aime l'amerique.

il n'existe pas de haute culture ou de basse culture croyez moi, et si Michelangelo vous
entendais il serais furieux...

bien cordialement a vous !
;)

Mon Cher Marquis,

Par "Haute Culture", je fais reference ‡ l'Humanisme, ‡ la Culture Classique Europeenne Greco-Latine et Judeo-Chretienne enrichie par le passage des siecles et par les apports des Grands Penseurs du monde entier.

Cette Culture n'a pas de valeur "en soi" mais prend de la valeur par la QUALITE de son contenu. Elle est utile pour comprendre la vie, le Monde et ses mensonges. ELLE AIDE A VIVRE.

Nous sommes dans la dialectique de la QualitÈ contre la QuantitÈ.

La Culture Americaine est facile, superficielle, pur divertissement sans profondeur et n'aide pas ‡ comprendre la vie. C'est un peu la difference que je fais entre le cinema Americain "facile et divertissant" et le cinema FranÁais "difficile et enrichissant pour le spectateur".

La Culture Classique n'est PAS reservee a une elite mais elle demande un effort et du travail. Elle se merite. Je souhaite ‡ TOUS d'y acceder. Cela en vaut la peine et les efforts.

Cordialement,

Pardon, I should have said "liquid-fueled rockets." The solid fueled types have indeed been around for centuries.

As for my "nationalistic pride" Tsolitovski was Russian. I am not.

As for the vicarious pride, your #3, kindly read your #4. You seem proud of Dr. Montagnier.
And it is normal for people to take pride in the accomplishments of their countrymen. Unless of course, you despise your own country.

Also, many of the imported scientists are here because this is where they were educated, and there are no opportunities to practice their science in their home countries. They lack the high-tech infrastructure.
This is the "land of opportunity" after all. They are just making use of it.

My dear Frenchman, suite a ceci :

"Par "Haute Culture", je fais reference ‡ l'Humanisme, ‡ la Culture Classique Europeenne Greco-Latine et Judeo-Chretienne enrichie par le passage des siecles et par les apports des Grands Penseurs du monde entier." dixit

les colons americains du nord sont d'anciens
europÈens donc votre idÈe/reference excellente d'humanisme Greco-Latine et Judeo-Chretienne
s'adapte tout a fait a eux aussi...

et ils ne sont pas d'apres moi en mÈpris et
en dÈsaccord avec cette conception. ( et j'en apporte la preuve sur ce site hyper bien documentÈ, tres pedagogique et humaniste... http://www.pbs.org )

donc je comprend toujours mal votre analyse ?

cordialement a vous

Okay, I have given up on freetranslations.com. It's become too cumbersome and not accurate enough to try to follow this. Frenchman, thank you for your concern for my people.

If you visit one of my casinos, I will surely comp you with a cocktail.

Dear Some Random Guy,

I am French, I am wearing glasses, I have five fingers on each hand.

Am I supposed to take pride in the accomplishments of all French people and also of all people wearing glasses and also of all people with five fingers on each hand ?

Cordialement,

Mon Cher Marquis,

Comme je disais ci-dessus, je pense que la Culture Americaine facile, superficielle, pur divertissement sans profondeur n'aide pas ‡ comprendre la Vie et le Monde.

C'est en cela que je l'oppose fondamentalement ‡ la Culture Humaniste difficile d'acces mais au combien plus riche.

J'espere me tromper mais rien ni personne pour l'instant ne me le demontre.

Cordialement

Encore, c'est la meme difference que je fais entre le cinema Americain "facile et divertissant" et le cinema FranÁais "difficile et enrichissant pour le spectateur".

Cordialement,

Native American / chief Blohard , you speak to me or Frenchman ? ( I am frenchman also !!!)

(effectively I have speak of your people with the splendid film / Dance with wolves)

If , it’s me I like very much your beautiful culture and thank you very much.

you are Cherokee or Navajo or .......??

friendly to you !!!

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"C'est en cela que je l'oppose fondamentalement ‡ la Culture Humaniste difficile d'acces mais au
combien plus riche.
J'espere me tromper mais rien ni personne pour l'instant ne me le demontre." dixit votre texte frenchman

reflechissez a ce que veux dire
St Exupery c'est exactement pour vous...

´ Il se forme une piËtre opinion de la culture celui qui croit qu'elle repose sur la mÈmoire des
formules. Un mauvais ÈlËve du cours de SpÈciales en sait plus long sur la nature et sur les lois
que Descartes et Pascal.

Est-il capable des mÍmes dÈmarchent de l'esprit ? ª

Antoine de SAINT-EXUP…RY / Terre des hommes

Mon cher Marquis,

Cet article en Anglais sur Harry Potter est dans la ligne de ce que je pense du modele culturel actuel. Erzatz de culture n'est pas culture veritable.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,995894,00.html

Cordialement,

Mon cher Frenchman,

je suis un peu de votre avis sur l'idÈe d'erzatz en ce qui concerne le dernier album de Madame J.K Rowling et le coup publicitaire mÈdiatique derriere cette sortie...

Mais, je crois aussi que la crÈation de HARRY
POTTER est une belle rÈussite ( les 2 premiers
albums surtout ) et si le public du monde entier
a suivi c'est forcement que le produit est pas
mauvais et aussi populaire ( mÍme si c'est dans la ligne des conceptions anglo-saxonne des contes du passÈ et que pour moi c'est un petit peu tÈlephonÈ...)

Mais l'ancienne chomeuse JK Rowling, a bien
raison et sa maison d'edition avec elle de
continuer a gagner beaucoup l'argent...!

bien cordialement, et mille excuses a vous pour
ce post en franÁais.( car je suis un pressÈ,
et j'ai pas le temps de traduire..sorry !!)

;)

max and frenchman
america.......love it or leave it! adios......bon voyage!

Frenchman YOU have WMD's and you use them unashamedly and extensively (ad nauseum)....! Websters Massive Dictionary!...

Frenchman: Guess what? We invented the Internet (someone here did, anyways - it wasn't Al Gore though), and since you seem to dislike everything American, I hereby kick you off the Internet! It's an eeeeevil imperialist warmongering conspiracy to get information to people who just want to believe the liberal media (a redundancy, if I ever heard one.)

hello ken, good morning !

"Frenchman: Guess what? We invented the Internet"
dixit

the internet invention / the first name it's Arpanet...for US army ?

bye
;)

Dear Ken Sten,

"We invented the Internet. (someone here did, anyways )"

Once again, what about the vicarious pride for scientific achievements in which you didn't ever personnally take part ?

Am I supposed to take pride in the accomplishments of my neighbour because we are neighbours ?

It does not make sense.

Cordialement

Actually, it was DARPAnet. And it's called pride in one's country, not 'vicarious pride for scientific achievements in which you didn't ever personnally take part'. And by the way, that was intended as a joke. I can no more kick you off the internet than I can fly to Mars, unfortunately.

Actually, it was DARPAnet. / dixit

ok ken for DARPA actually, but in first time it's
ARPA net...( 1957 )

friendly :)

Part I: The history of ARPA leading up to the ARPANET
A climate of pure research surrounded the entire history of the ARPANET. The Advanced Research Projects Agency was formed with an emphasis towards research, and thus was not oriented only to a military product. The formation of this agency was part of the U.S. reaction to the then Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik in 1957. (ARPA draft, III-6). ARPA was assigned to research how to utilize their investment in computers via Command and Control Research (CCR). Dr. J.C.R. Licklider was chosen to head this effort. Licklider came to ARPA from Bolt, Beranek and Newman, (BBN) in Cambridge, MA in October 1962. (ARPA draft, III-6)

http://www.dei.isep.ipp.pt/docs/arpa--1.html

Dear Frenchman, Question: "Am I supposed to take pride in the accomplishments of my neighbour because we are neighbours"? Answer: It's up to you! I do believe you need something to be proud of! We don't feel ashamed of you because of your lack of acomplishments!

"But he was a serious nut-case. He was afraid of spherical objects and human hair. He had to polish his plates and silverware with 18 napkins before he could eat. He never ordered dishes that were on the menu, and he had to calculate the volume of each bite.
But wierdest of all, he did like pigeons." - SRG

I hadn't heard about the spherical objects or hair. Didn't he just calculate the volume for fun? That's what the bio I read said.

"Wonder if he ever got his death-ray to work." - SRG

The biography I read said that the 'death ray' that he told his last hotel to keep as payment was just an old piece of electronics lab equipment. Are you talking about the lightbulb-like laser thingy he built? It was center electrode (made of diamond, I think) in a silvered, evacuated glass globe. If you made a small hole in the silver coating and connected the center electrode up to a very high-frequency oscillator, it would emit an intense beam of light from the hole in the reflector.