I strenuously object to this unconscionable characterization of public school teachers' (of which I am one) inability to influence our students in the measly 12 years, 7 1/2 hours per day, 180 days per year. Take a good look at the Hollywood Left, the Television News Establishment, the American Bar Association, and the (do you believe this oxymoron?) the Hip-Hop Culture. I rest my case.

Nunna daul Tsuny

In Summer 1838, the United States Army began the invasion of the Cherokee Nation.

In one of the saddest episodes of US history, men, women, and children were TAKEN FROM THEIR LAND, herded into makeshift forts with minimal facilities and food, then FORCED TO MARCH A THOUSAND MILES (Some made part of the trip by boat in equally horrible conditions).

Under the generally indifferent army commanders, human losses were extremely high.

About 4000 Cherokee died as a result of the removal.

The route they traversed and the journey itself became known as "THE TRAIL OF TEARS".

US history is neither better nor worse than European history. ;)

You're right, Frenchy. European history is MUCH worst.

Frenchman:

You speak with forked tongue.

Only good Injun dead Injun. Same for Frenchman and Saddam. Ugh!

I have spoken.

The difference is today, people in the US aren't still trying to wipe out Indians.

Maybe because so many of us have Cherokee blood (and every other nation and race) running through our veins.

See Frenchie, in the New World, we let old prejudices die.

Agree with Jim.. The one difference between the old world and the new is that integration into the new world society is not frowned upon but encoraged. Some would even argue, citing the advances in the field of genetics, that is the reason why the new world eclipsed the old so quickly.

Old blood does grow stale, I suppose.

What about the Ivory Coast Frenchman? Your imperialism is acceptable?

Frenchie - Don't you have some lives to ruin in Africa in your unilateral, imperialist action? Or are you still busying selling out Checkoslovakia?

I think there's a valid reason why most Europeans have a hard time understanding the reason for action in Iraq: unlike Americans, they are conditions to never learn from their mistakes.

Using the argument of "well, you didn't help them then, so why should we believe that you will help them now" belies a certain lack of ability to analyze current situations in a logical and impartial manner.

I do not understand why President George W. Bush thinks it is the job of the U.S. to eliminate brutal dictators.

America's foreign policy has often supported these same brutal dictators—including Saddam—when they have been on our side.

Bush's use of the word evil gives this war a religious justification.

It is GOD who deals with evil, and it's PRESUMPTUOUS for humans to assume that our task is to do what only God can do.

Mary USA

This is a satire site, Mary. You don't come here and talk about God. Plus, liberals' opinions are contrary to our conservative way.

Mary, Mary, quite contrary. As is usual with you Hillary smooching libs, you want to paint this as GWB's war. In case you haven't been following the polls, (MANY by your left wing press), MOST Americans want Saddam removed from power. Your other point that God will deal with evil, (I say this AS a Christian), you had better read your Bible again! God WILL deal with evil, WHEN Jesus returns, UNTIL then, it is up to MORAL, RIGHTEOUS, CHRISTANS! "For evil to flourish, is for good men to do nothing!" I thank GOD, the people of America DIDN'T feel the way YOU do during WWII!!!

Europe fought over territory and power without either principles or conviction, but in the determination of feudal power. We have no ties to bloodlines and a false sense of historical culture. You have discarded all forms of morality and conviction for the convenience of your glorious cultural heritage.

You're culture has been corrupted, your policies are morally bankrupt, and any friendship which you extend is selfish and at the peril to those to whom it is extended.

ta gaule - Frenchman!:

Don't worry. We not going to extend our friendship to France at any time in the future.

I still do not understand why President George W. Bush want to eliminate brutal dictators only when they have oil.

September 23, 2002....

it was 57 years since I landed at Nagasaki with the 2nd Marine Division in the original occupation of Japan following World War II. This time every year, I have watched and listened to the light- hearted "peaceniks" and their light-headed symbolism-without-substance of ringing bells, flying pigeons, floating candles, and sonorous chanting and I recall again that "Peace is not a cause - it is an effect."

In July, 1945, my fellow 8th RCT Marines [I was a BARman] and I returned to Saipan following the successful conclusion of the Battle of Okinawa. We were issued new equipment and replacements joined each outfit in preparation for our coming amphibious assault on the home islands of Japan.

B-29 bombing had leveled the major cities of Japan, including Kobe, Osaka, Nagoya, Yokohama, Yokosuka, and Tokyo.

We were informed we would land three Marine divisions and six Army divisions, perhaps abreast, with large reserves following us in. It was estimated that it would cost half a million casualties to subdue the Japanese homeland.

In August, the A-bomb was dropped on Hiroshima but the Japanese government refused to surrender. Three days later a second A-bomb was dropped on the city of Nagasaki. The Imperial Japanese government finally surrendered.

Following the 1941 sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, a Japanese admiral said, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant..." Indeed, they had. Not surprisingly, the atomic bomb was produced by a free people functioning in a free environment. Not surprisingly because the creative process is a natural human choice- making process and inventiveness occurs most readily where choice-making opportunities abound.

Tamper with a giant, indeed! Tyrants, beware: Free men are nature's pit bulls of Liberty! The Japanese learned the hard way what tyrants of any generation should know: Never start a war with a free people - you never know what they may invent!

As a newly assigned member of a U.S. Marine intelligence section, I had a unique opportunity to visit many major cities of Japan, including Tokyo and Hiroshima, within weeks of their destruction. For a full year I observed the beaches, weapons, and troops we would have assaulted had the A-bombs not been dropped. Yes, it would have been very destructive for
all, but especially for the people of Japan.

When we landed in Japan, for what came to be the finest and most humane occupation of a defeated enemy in recorded history, it was with great appreciation, thanksgiving, and praise for the atomic bomb team, including the aircrew of the Enola Gay. A half million American homes had been spared the Gold Star flag, including, I'm sure, my own.

Whenever I hear the apologists expressing guilt and shame for A-bombing and ending the war Japan had started (they ignore the cause-effect relation between Pearl Harbor and Nagasaki), I have noted that neither the effete critics nor the puff-adder politicians are among us in the assault landing-craft or the stinking rice paddies of their suggested alternative, "conventional" warfare. Stammering reluctance is obvious and continuous, but they do love to pontificate about the Rights that others, and the Bomb, have bought and preserved for them.

The vanities of ignorance and camouflaged cowardice abound as license for the assertion of virtuous "rights" purchased by the blood of others - those others who have borne the burden and physical expense of Rights whining apologists so casually and self-righteously claim.

At best, these fakers demonstrate a profound and cryptic ignorance of causal relations, myopic perception, and dull I.Q. At worst, there is a word and description in The Constitution defining those who love the enemy more than they love their own countrymen and their own posterity. Every Yankee Doodle Dandy knows what that word is.

In 1945, America was the only nation in the world with the Bomb and it behaved responsibly and respectfully. It remained so until two among us betrayed it to the Kremlin. Still, this American weapon system has been the prime deterrent to earth's latest model tyranny: Seventy years of Soviet collectivist definition, coercion, and domination of individual human beings.

The message is this: Trust Freedom. Remember, tyrants never learn. The restriction of Freedom is the limitation of human choice, and choice is the fulcrum-point of the creative process in human affairs. As earth's choicemaker, it is our identity on nature's beautiful blue planet and the natural premise of man's free institutions, environments, and respectful relations with one another. Made in the image of our Creator, free men choose, create, and progress - or die.

Free men should not fear or envy the oppressor nor
choose any of his ways. Recall with a confident Job and a victorious David, "Know ye not that you are in league with the stones of the field?"

Semper Fidelis

James F. Baxter
Sgt. USMC
WW II and Korea

Job 5:23 Proverbs 3:31 I Samuel 17:40

Quotation : "Europe fought over territory and power without either principles or conviction"

Answer : GWB "principled" stand is actually just a thinly veiled attempt to gain control power and money and not a real matter of principles and conviction.

Mr. Baxter, thank you!

Mary, You answered a quotation? You must be a public school teacher. Would you please stop picking on 7 year olds?

They should bring Dodgeball back to the Maine schools. Even the teachers can play.

"Peace is not a cause - it is an effect."

Amen.

Mary, though I know you are only in the 3rd grade, you need to understand that Saddam has stayed in power only because he does have this dirty nasty oil. This vile stuff has allowed him to buy military hardware, build 100's of palaces and keep himself personally insulated from his starving people.

The public school teachers then encouraged school officials to sponsor a field trip whereby they could take their students to Iraq and visit the Human Shields who are on the frontlines of the Iraqi Army.

"Then they will know what it's like to fight for a moral cause, unlike their parents who are mere puppets for those who seek to further evil in the Middle East," said Lance McCurdle, a high school Civics teacher and proud Draft Evader of '63.

Plans are tentative and may include a swing through Germany to investigate the mythology of the so-called Holocaust. Some U.N. inspectors may accompany them on this leg of the field trip in order to see if they can discover any evidence of working gas chambers or death camps.

"We only have two hours, so we are asking that the German government fully cooperate with us in this task. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has said that he will personally escort us in our search," said U.N. Inspector Herr Beemer.

Mary, Don't dabble with this conservative logic. It will only destroy your pretended ignorance. The only way you can continue to argue for the liberal left is with your eyes and and ears closed. ( Or wide eyed stareing at CNN )

I can't help but wonder how many Democratic Turkey congress memembers could be bought with $30 Billion.

If this conflict was only about oil, (or even American Polititcs).. we could all relax and go home.

Mr. Baxter,
First...thank you for bravery and time served. My husband and I, unlike some in this country, appreciate people like you and what you stand for.
Lastly...how eloquently put. You are a scholar as well. I'm an educator and I had to read some of your sentences twice. May God bless you and your family!
P.S. To all the pacifists out there...why don't you move to Iraq? Or better yet, France.

Mary...God deals with evil ones, but has often used men to carry out the mission. Go away, and don't come back here talking about God until you read your Bible.

And Frenchy...just go away and stay away. You're irrelevant.

Can we get this thread back on topic...the Maine school situation?

Sgt. Baxter - you ROCK.

What are the odds that this egregious offense has occurred only in Maine schools? Why was this not a firing offense? Do teachers speak so to other children whose parents perform abortions, work as attorneys, politicians or police or any number of other controversial professions? The names of those teachers need to be made public so demonstrators can picket. The left did a "virtual march" on Washington...tying up email, phones & faxes. Let's do one on the Maine Board of Education.

Well said, Sgt. Baxter. The liberals could at least give credit for the freedom they enjoy to those who have served and paid the price. Instead, they are the first to criticize. What is the old saying, "dogs and soldiers, stay off the grass."

As for Ms. Mary. It is pretty presumptuous of you to pass judgment on the motivations of President Bush. But for all you libs, that is what it is really coming down to. It is not the war, it is not Saddam. It is all about your absolute hatred for the president. You will accept any propaganda provided that it conforms with your prejudices and hatreds.

Consider this, can there truly be peace in the middle east or for that matter, anywhere as long as people are under the boot of tyranny? If those who are in the peace movement are truly motivated by humanitarian concerns and their desire to save lives and end human suffering, then how can they oppose the U.S. in it's effort to remove Saddam Hussein, destroy bio, chemical and nuclear weapons, and provide for the opportunity for an entire nation to exercise their right of self determination.

You all need to get over this anti-Bush mindset. It is interferring with your ability to deal with facts and history with any sort of intellectual honesty and integrity. I am embarrassed for you.

A day at the presidential palace, in Iraq, where a trusted lietenant complains to Saddam about the demands coming from the latest batch of human shields -

Saddam lackey: First they wanted their T-shirt, saying something about always getting a T-shirt whenever they show up at a US protest. Then they wanted something called a decaf double mocha latte, then they wanted to know if there would be hair dryers back at their rooms to use after doing something called 'taking a shower' - excuse me your most excellent one, but the demands from these human shields are most annoying...

Saddam: useful idiots, yes, but imagine what fate they would enjoy if they were Iraqi citizens protesting against me - heh, heh, they would be not be demanding very much for very long, would they?

Saddam lackey: oh no, your most excellent one...

Mary, this is a satire site. People don't generally come here for deep debate... although I would normally hesitate to call "no blood for oiiiiiiiillll..." deep thought.

Perhaps you felt that your weak arguments could hold up at a satire site, much the same way Ramsey Clark could look serious if surrounded by pie-throwing clowns.

If you want a serious reality check... er debate may I suggest Little Green Footballs. Though I caution you: you may want to bring many many Yoko Ono recoding to drown out the logic, if you aren't used to hardcore reality denail in the face of serious debate.

Have a GREAT day!

What I am wondering... about these
moron-shields; is what happens to them
when they get there, and see the tyranny
and torture they are defending, and then
decide to quit and go home.

How "accomodating" will SoDamm Insane be
when they decide they would rather be on
the other side? First... he would have to
cut out thier tongues? If the "bombs" dont
get them Saddam will.

And the poor buggers... at best the deluded
damn "traitors"! They would even be useless
to the liberal media then too.

Mary, a Marine once said something about OBL that applies to Saddam (I'm paraphrasing):

It is God's job to forgive him. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting.

Sgt Baxter, thank you.

Mary,

I just received a call from one of your elementary skule teachers in Maine. She is very proud of you, but is worried that you are dabbling in intellectual argument on a satire site. She says that you may hurt yourself if you try thinking too much.

Also, this same teacher swears that Frenchman used to be an exchange student in her class.

Froggy is right. The "trail of tears" is a shameful episode in our history. Some one has to pay for this atrocity. Let's dig up the perpetrators of this despicable tragedy and hang them all. Get your shovels folks we got work to do.

"Bush's use of the word evil gives this war a religious justification.

It is GOD who deals with evil, and it's PRESUMPTUOUS for humans to assume that our task is to do what only God can do."

Churchill called people evil.

From Mary:I do not understand why President George W. Bush thinks it is the job of the U.S. to eliminate brutal dictators.

Answer one:
Duhhhhhhhh.........because no one else with an army will do it.

Answer two: for the same reasons Roosevelt thought it was his job to eliminate Hitler and Tojo, because they indiscriminately killed innocent people. One thing about killing people, they hardly ever complain about it.

Mary, do you suppose evil doesn't exist in a secular world? Since when is the world "evil" reserved for religious connotations only? I never heard anything so stupid.

I dont know what kind of public school system Maine is running but Here in Indiana or atleast at my childs school our teachers wouldnt DARE speak to a child as those teachers have. I do believe they need to be fired, and never allowed to teach children ever again. And what the heck is all this crap about "we teach them that all war is evil" and one should never join the military? I was Never taught that i was encourged to do what i thought was moraly right for myself. I dont know about today but we heard from many different military people , we took the military tests, and im only 25. If i were a parent in Maine i would jerk my child completely out of that state and MOve. Do they breathe crack in the air up there or what?

Ken,

If Mary had her way, and had lived in Britain six decades ago, Winston would have had to change his name to Secularbuildinghill.

In my travels through educational land it became very evident to me that many of those who pick teaching as their chosen profession are very liberal (i.e. lost touch with reality).
My children's school system had a thing called "peace buddies". A peace buddy was a child who had been picked as a playground monitor, couldn't expect a teacher to have to go outside and mingle with the masses. When the peace buddy saw a fight going on he or she was supposed to step in and say things like, "I sense you are angry. Can we talk and find the underlying reason for your anger?" The kids knew bull when they saw it. They went to the classes, got free cookies for becoming a peace monitor, and then forgot it.
Be a part of your childs education. My kids would come home and question the liberal belief system their teacher was trying to force on them. We would dicuss it from all angles. At a very young age they quickly became adapt at sorting out the liberal pie in the sky, dare I say liberal religon, from what really goes on in the world.
My heart goes out to the children in Maine who have been hurt by insenative teachers. But let not their pain be suffered in vain. This is a teachable moment for them. This is a chance to teach them how the "I love everyone" liberal is actually a cruel non caring person.

Speaking of religon and I don't claim this as an orignal idea. The reason the liberal does not want God as part of our government is because it would interfere with their ability to have the regilion of liberalism influence our government.
Liberalism is actually a religion.

What is this all about anyways???
I only got a public eductation.. sheesh.

Osama bin Laden + Germany + Saddam + France

The extend in which France and Germany are trying to use all possible tricks to stop the plans of USA to liberate Irag from Saddam is the same trick which Saddam uses with regards to its WMD. France objective is to guarantee their financial interest (Total-elf-fin), and most importantly;-- to prevent America from capturing Saddam and its apparatus. Franco-German are afraid that once the US military starts interrogating a captured Saddam and his henchmen, America will stumble into a hard evidence linking Osama Bin Laden, France, Germany, and Saddam on a plot against USA.

At present, the evidences linking Saddam to Osama Bin Laden are as follow:

1.) The meeting between the 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta and an Iraqi officer in Prague.
2.) The meeting between Osama Bin Laden and Faruk(Iraqi head of intelligence) in their Turkey embassy.
3.) The assistance Saddam extended to Al-Qaida terrorists escaping US troops from Afghanistan.
4.) Iraqi Embassy diplomat direct link with an Asian terrorist group called Abu-Sayaff (with proven Al-Qaida link).

The 9/11 terror attack against America has opened a lot of circumstances, that needs to be clarified and answered once Saddam will be under US custody.

These are:

1.) Most of the direct perpetrator of 9/11 terror attacks against America stayed and lived in Germany.
---- Why and Who financed and coordinated these terrorist??

2.) Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker is a French citizen.
---- Is he working as a coordinator for France intelligence apparatus??

3.) Most Arab terrorist who are positively identified by the CIA are presently in-captivity at Germany and France. But they vehemently refuses to handover these people to the FBI for further questioning.
---- Are they afraid that these terrorist knows too much and might spill the extent of Franco-German collaboration??

4.) The precision in which these terrorist slammed the hijacked aircrafts to the Pentagon and WTC shows thorough training. Records shows that these Arabs have trained in some flying schools in America. But the same record also shows that their performance during and after the training were below par. After the completion of their US training, these terrorists disappeared for a while.
---- Where they sent to Europe for further precision training by Lufthansa Airlines of Germany and Air France??

5.)Airline companies in the USA uses both the American Boeing Aircraft and the Franco-german Airbus in their fleet. Also, AirFrance and Lufthansa aircrafts were in the US airports during 9/11.
---- Why is it that all aircrafts used in the 9/11 attack were US built Boeing and owned by US registered airlines??
---- Is this design to divert US investigators away from the european collaborators??
---- And at the same time, to deliberately weaken American owned airlines- which the European canít compete without state subsidies??

6.)The targets of 9/11 were the World Trade Center Buildings ( Symbols of American Economic Power ) and the Pentagon ( Symbols of American Military Power ). During those times, the value of the European euro was at 0.8 US dollar ( 1 euro = 0.8 US$) from its introductory value of 1.10 US dollar ( 1 euro = 1.10 US $ ) a year before.
---- Was the WTC attack designed to weaken US economy in order to stop the decline of euro and its influence??
---- On the other hand, was the Pentagon attack a Franco-german concession to Osama Bin Ladenís cooperation with them??

These may be circumstantial. It can be proven or disputed once the US military captures Saddam and its cohorts. But for a very obvious reason, France and Germany are pulling all tricks and machinations to harass and stop USA from going into Iraq. President George HW Bush should make the proper decision of liberating the Iraqi people from a Franco-German supported Saddam with or without the irrelevant UN. The truth must be pursued...

Sgt Baxter: "Never start a war with a free people - you never know what they may invent!"

A quick c/p for my "quotes" list (with full credit to you, sir). I absolutely love it.

Now, now GLINGNAMEN ACOL, don't start comparing bin Laden to the others you mentioned with him (Geramny, France, Iraq). Bin Laden is a very smart person, despite all the hate that everyone bears him. How else, vesides being an extremely smart person, could he have single-handedly brought the moral of America down (short-term), and long-term, brought the economy to all-time lows? The others, (Germany, France, Iraq) are just idiots, and don't deserve our attention, beyond waving them away with our hands. I'm an American also, so don't think I'm in love with bin Laden, but if you look at it from an unbiased view (which I have an uncanny ability to do on almost any situation) he is a very smart person. Also, to end, he has also evaded the US intellegence, second best in the world.

Bin Laden is in Paris with Chirac.

i wuz educated in the publik schol system in libreal minesota and I turned out just fine..

but seriously folks...

I suggest the public schools in their effort to teach peace, love and harmony implement the following:

1. Remove all history books from their schools. After all, most of history is filled with needless bloodshed hated and death. All books mentioning soldiers or war should also be removed.

2.Expel all children who show any type of right wing leanings. These children cannot be allowed to taint the other children. After all, the parents of right wing, Christian children are all rich white males and can afford to send their children to a private school.

3.Ban all words related to the military and or God. All words that cannot be banned should be changed to a non-violent word in the case of the military or an atheistic word in the second. For example:

Bobby's dad is a Marine
Substitution: Bobby's dad is a Man who wears a pressed uniform.

Betty goes to Church on Sunday
Substitution: Betty goes to a building where they teach things about something that does not exist.

Dday will become: Dee day we celebrate peace.
Christmas will become: Doesnotexistmas

4. All teachers will get $100 per child bonus if after graduation they DO not do any of the following:

Enlist with the Men/Women who wear pressed uniforms

Watch Fox News

Name their child Rush, Sean or George (unless they are named after George Foreman..)

I urge all public school boards across the nation to implement these changes, regardless of what the parents think. Parents are stupid and there is no need for them to be involved in their childrenís education, unless of course they agree with all of the above. Then they are okay (unless they drive a SUV, then we've got a conflict of interest.)

But really, really seriously..
God Bless the USA, God Bless George W.
"Freedom is not free"

What socialistic arrogance, teachers paid by parents then telling the parentsí children what is right or wrong? Fire all the teachers and dump the teacherís union!

Sorry Neil, that post was posted before they 'found' him hiding under Chiraq's little toe.

Please note that since I cut off all of Chiraq's other toes in frustration at his stupidity, bin Laden has to be hiding under his little toe, cause that's the only one left. *sigh* It feels good to dream...

Hey Mary,

My unethical butt commanded 2 companies on the DMZ (1997-1999), returned from Afghanistan in October, and may now go to Iraq. One question:

HOW DO I PROTECT MY KIDS FROM YOU WHILE I'M GONE?

Tankman

Hey! I heard a radio news blurb that a bus load of the human shields
(Brits) had decided to head back home. I guess they got there and
figured out they were being used for progaganda and didn't get to
protect what they wanted to protect.

Betcha CNN won't carry that story.. they would only make a headline
out of it if the busload was going into Bagdad.

To GLINGNAMEN ACOL

"These may be circumstantial."

These may be ! These may be !

"It can be proven or disputed once the US military captures Saddam and its cohorts."

I am afraid to said that it MUST be proven BEFORE attacking and not after the end of the war.

To wizegoi

"Froggy is right. The "trail of tears" is a shameful episode in our history. Some one has to pay for this atrocity. Let's dig up the perpetrators of this despicable tragedy and hang them all. Get your shovels folks we got work to do."

Why do you say "WE won the war" but say "THEY killed the indians".

In one case you are proud of it and say "WE". In the other case you are ashamed of it and say "THEY".

I think this way of thinking is quite childish.

Speaking of childish. Wasn't one of your posts about the French History of War doing that exact same thing? The one about YOU had won WWII without the help of the Americans and in the same sentence deny the fact that 120,000 + Americans died on your soil.

Frenchy, You, my ignorant friend, are the childish one throughout all of these posts.

Answer my questions on the other post, if you're man enough, little boy.

Dusty.

To Dusty

"The one about YOU had won WWII without the help of the Americans and in the same sentence deny the fact that 120,000 + Americans died on your soil."

I do not remember which post you are referring to.

I already said somewhere that I thank and respect all US soldiers who helped my country. I also thank all other soldiers that helped us. I do not remember having denied US soldiers help during WW2. I already said that I am too young to have been involved in WW2.

I respect WW2 soldiers but this respect does not extend to the present US administration.

What I tried to express (in a foreign language please remember)is that a childish attitude is a selective acceptance of one's own country history.(WE or THEY according to the moral value of our ancestors' behaviours : WE saved the world from Hitler but THEY mass-murdered the indians. ).

I will now try to give you my opinion (only an opinion) about the present situation.

I easily admit that France's administration is heavily interested by Oil but I do not think that US is going there to save the iraqi people.

Realpolitik is far more complicated than the "we come to save the world" attitude.

Only Iraq, of ALL places on earth, has reserves equal to or exceeding those of Saudi Arabia already ruled by US close allies (The Saudi family is not very loved by his fellow citizens)

The oil for the FUTURE is in Iraq and anywhere else on EARTH.

In Bahrain/Kuwait US currently have 100,000 troops stationed.

It is more simple to buy the oil when you have soldiers near the oil fields. You CANNOT be refused.;)

I do not really know why Bush father did not attack Iraq. Anyway that does not give more strengh to the "It is not for Oil but to save the world" theory.

Please refer to my poster about Euro against Dollar. Please read it without laughing and ask available financial specialists (if you are not one of them)if the Euro is or is not a threat for the Dollar. I am ready to discuss this point with you.

I also think that insulting each-other does not help to understand what is really happening.

And, about conspiracy theories, Historically minded people would say that conspiracies sometimes really exist.

I just see a lot of big oils playing on the estimated biggest oil field on earth and say 1+1=2 but I cannot prove it.

Frenchie,

Ok....oil...ummm....I read somewhere that the UN has control of Iraq's oil since Saddam lit the Kuwait oil fields on fire...

So if Saddam doesn't control the oil and the UN does, why does that still mean we're only going after Saddam's oil?

Dusty.

What about Alaska...I know the politically correct refuse to let us drill for oil, but don't we have massive amounts of oil sitting under Alaska waiting??? What about the Gulf of Mexico??? People say Venezuela....Canada.....Mexico.... I don't think the world's oil is only being supplied by the middle east and it would be ignorant to claim that THAT is the only reason for this war....

It's truly a War on Terror....Saddam helps pay for Palestinian Suicide bombers....hell....they're terrorists, too.
So why can't we go after him for that reason alone? Why must you insist on this being about oil?

The battle of the Euro and the Dollar??? There is no battle....American's won't allow our money to change, no matter how much/little it's worth on the market.
You ever wonder why we use our own systems on everything??? (hint: It's part of being American)
I personally think that the metric sysem is FAR more easy to deal with, but we don't want ANYTHING of yours. Again, that's part of being American. We take all the world's tired, sick, poor and turn them into American's.
The freedom to bash Bush and say whatever you want was given through warfare and protection of these freedoms. I think every human being should be free....If you can argue against that, good luck.

Dusty.

I'm feeling faint, Frenchman actually responded to someones post. How long did it take for you to come up with all that?
Frenchie, you did post an arrogant comment stating that French and British blood was spilt in WWI and that the USA didn't get involved until the end and that the Americans were not a factor in victory. You also implied that the Americans didn't do much in WWII either. Dusty is stating the fact that I put in that 120,000 AMERICAN soldiers died in WWI and that the infussion of American soldiers turned the course of the war from a stalemate to victory. Of course the French had to take credit for it all...blah blah blah.
Sgt Baxter, right on. My grandfather was part of the occupational forces also and his stories of what might have been are amazing. The bombs saved the lives of many soldiers and even more Japanese. If we had invaded Japan, more Japanese would have died than with the 2 atomic bombs combined (probable millions more).
Now lets get on subject about the teachers (that means you Frenchman and Mary). I say they should be fired. The are not there to teach our kids morals, but teach them English and Math. If I want my kid to have an opinion I will teach him that, not some egotistical ill-informed liberal teacher. The liberals are all Bush haters and are unable/uncapable of seeing the truth. The real problem that I have with liberals is that they are so biased and hateful they are unwilling to look at and accept the truth.

Here is a conspiracy theory for you all.
Why did all the "human shields" really come home? I think that SoDamn Insane is hiding is major weopans and WMD next to schools, hospitals etc. and if all these moronic peace-niks are out standing next to them they will realize that they are wrong and he would be exposed.
What do you all think?

THIS JUST IN. 4pm 3/4/03. More and More human shields are leaving Iraq. What!?!?!?!??! They're leaving?!?!?!!? No! You mean to tell me that they can't shield his military installations from our bombs??? Damn, I thought our bombs would just bounce off of them. Funny, once Saddam told them exactly where or where not they were going to shield, all the little pansies went home. Not worth protecting Saddam?? Is that the message here? Am I missing something?

Dusty.

Dusty, what a joke they are don't you think. Once they found out that saddam wanted them to hang out by command and control bunkers they decided to bail. Damn shame though, 2 birds with 1 stone....

Frenchies :

Less you forget, read this letters again...

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To France and European COLLABORATORS of Saddam;

Every Iraqi and Kurds has the right to be free (like the Europeans) from the dictatorship and tyranny of Saddam.

SHAMELESS France supports Saddam as a way to protect their oil contracts at the expense of every Iraqi and Kurds. France DEPLORAPLE business with Saddam are all in violation of the UN trade embargo and therefore illegal. DESPICABLE France must be tried as an accessory and accomplice to all atrocities and genocide committed by Saddam to its own people particularly the Kurds.

Bootlickers can show their CROCODILE concern by putting Saddam as the King of France and the President of Europe. ìVive Europe - Long live Der Fuhrer Saddamî.

Posted by: Ylmas (a KURD) on February 22, 2003 06:56 AM

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ANOTHER CHIRAC SCANDAL LOOMS FOR FRANCE ...

CHIRAC BLACKMAILED BY SADDAM

Quote by Saddam Hussein, 1992, expressing anger at French participation in the Gulf War:

"As for financiers, industrialists and above all those responsible for military industry, the question must be put to French politicians: Who did not benefit from these business contracts and relationships with Iraq? . . . With respect to the politicians, one need only refer back to the declarations of all the political parties of France, Right and Left. All were happy to brag about their friendship with Iraq and to refer to common interests. From Mr. Chirac [now the center-right president] to Mr. Chevenement [the socialist former defense minister] . . . politicians and economic leaders were in open competition to spend time with us and flatter us. We have now grasped the reality of the situation [of France's support for the 1991 Gulf War, a betrayal in Saddam's eyes]. If the trickery continues, we will be forced to unmask them, all of them, before the French public"

How noble of Mr. Chirac, since 1992, to spend a decade weakening sanctions against Iraq and to fight against the liberation its people, for fear of his own ass.

Since scandal is hardly a new thing for Mr. Chirac, whatever Saddam has on him must be a peach. In fact, if Mr. Chirac hadn't been re-elected, he'd be in court for numerous other scandals, if not already in prison by now.

This one is going to be the mother of all scandals.

More here:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/313ycqje.asp

Posted by: Keith on March 1, 2003 08:31 PM

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Do I need to say more??

We are way off subject here, more about iraq than maine teachers. These teachers are so disrespecttful it is beyond belief. Maybe they don't have the guts to die for their country so that they can enjoy the right to have their misguided ideas. Save it for after hours though, stick to teaching children reading writing and arithmatic and let the parents influence their children's morality themselves and that includes sex too. How dare they slap the men and women who serve our great country in the face? I am sure if they were the victims of a terrorist attack they would be the first ones squealing for the military to help them.

p.s. to Frechie, I agree what was done to the American Indians was a crime, slavery as well. That part of our history shames me. We have learned from our mistakes and I am proud to say that no where else in the world is diversity more tolerated. Have the French learned anything from their past history (WWII), apprantly not.

We are way off subject here, more about iraq than maine teachers. These teachers are so disrespecttful it is beyond belief. Maybe they don't have the guts to die for their country so that they can enjoy the right to have their misguided ideas. Save it for after hours though, stick to teaching children reading writing and arithmatic and let the parents influence their children's morality themselves and that includes sex too. How dare they slap the men and women who serve our great country in the face? I am sure if they were the victims of a terrorist attack they would be the first ones squealing for the military to help them.

p.s. to Frechie, I agree what was done to the American Indians was a crime, slavery as well. That part of our history shames me. We have learned from our mistakes and I am proud to say that no where else in the world is diversity more tolerated. Have the French learned anything from their past history (WWII), apprantly not.

Dear Neil:

Please note that I already answered to Ylmas.

And about the other poster, it is of course true. Oil and military industries are deeply involved in the present events as everybody knows. I think that they are the main cause of the war.

The United States of America possess statues that are designed to indemnify the people of this nation against sedition and treason.

However, they have not been enforced in this country for decades Ö unless you were a top-level scientist or held a high a position in the administrations of places like the JPL or Los Alamos, for instance.

Celebrities, teachers, professors, and politicians have not been prosecuted for so long they actually believe they are untouchable.

Guess again!

These statutes were SPECIFICALLY passed with these very people in mind. These statues have been drafted and passed to prevent these people from undermining our Government.

We possess the laws, now we need to begin enforcing them again.

Public servants, especially teachers have tremendous influence over their students. These traitors necessitate immediate incarceration, first and foremost.

When my children come in from school telling me that their teacher is right and our leaders are wrong we have a serious problem of astronomical proportions at that point.

Not only is litigation in order, but also indictments are automatically mandatory. They are guilty of one the most serious crimes in our nation. TREASON. Lets remember that EXECUTION has always been a most appropriate sentence for this crime. It would be prudent of these people to bear that in mind.

Celebrities, many who aren't even educated, speak as if they are divine profits and condemn our leaders. They blatantly are guilty of violating these laws. Especially when organization is involved.

For any American to visit, collaborate, participate with, speak out for, or stand behind our enemies is without a shadow of a doubt 100% guilty of treason.

There is no gray area here. These laws are most specific regarding acts of sedition and treason.

Furthermore, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know the difference between "free speech" and "sedition or treason".

It's time for our leaders and law enforcement agencies to do their job and prosecute these people to the fullest extent of the law! These traitors must be held accountable for their actions.

If not, then these law enforcement agencies must be charged with the same crime, even more so because they have specifically sworn to serve and protect us from these very criminals. If they believe they are indemnified against prosecution themselves, then think again.

Only when we enforce our laws and these traitors are incarcerated or executed, which is allowable by law, will these traitors be brought to their knees and held accountable.

No longer can these people be allowed to operate as if they are above the law. They are criminals in every sense of the word.

HERE IS ALL WE HAVE TO DO!

Start sending certified letters to congress and senate demanding that they enforce these laws for national security. That is why we have them in the first place.

Do not send email or make a phone call to congress or you representative. Send them certified mail so these politicians will be forced by law to sign for the letters themselves! Otherwise you are wasting your time. Email is easier, but it is also easier for them to just click "erase all".

THEY DO NOT READ EMAIL; THEIR COMPUTERS ARE AUTOMATICALLY PROGRAMMED TO SEND OUT A RESPONSE SAYING ONLY THAT YOUR LETTER HAS BEEN RECEIVED. IT WILL NEVER BE READ! Ö EVER!

It takes little effort to send a letter, but the results on the receiving end will be overwhelming.

Just think about it. Then do it. You know it will work.

If you are too busy ÖÖ.. then just copy and print this letter and mail copies to all of your state and federal politicians. You can get their mailing addresses at these web sites:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

Believe me, they will get the message.