(2009-06-13) — United Nations Resolution 1874, a measure adopted by the Security Council this week which imposes more sanctions on North Korea in an effort to halt its development of nuclear weapons, contains a little-noticed “consequence of noncompliance” provision threatening North Korean President Kim Jong-Il with nuclear retaliation.
“If searching ships, and restricting the global financial transactions of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) should fail to result in the cessation of its nuclear detonations and missile tests,” according to a draft text of the resolution, “United Nations Security Council member states will rain bright brimstone upon Pyongyang, turning it into a lake of fire, a seething cauldron of molten steel, a wasteland of concrete rubble, the desolate haunt of jackals, an uninhabitable labyrinth of bramble and shard, whose silence only the raven and the jackdaw punctuate with their lonely cries throughout the ages to come.”
After Mr. Kim’s 2006 nuclear bomb test, the U.N. voted to impose sanctions, but failed to implement those measures.
Although the punitive financial restrictions in Resolution 1874 are merely voluntary, and the ship searching provision excludes the use of force to compel compliance, and China will continue selling AK-47 automatic rifles to North Korea, the Council members inserted the “consequence of non-compliance” language to make it clear that “this time we mean business.”
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1 gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 7:52 am
This is nothing more than a continuation of the Clinton-era strategy in which we secured a promise from North Korea that they would cease development of nuclear power if we provided them with nuclear power plants. Supplying a few megatons of nuclear weapons would be even more effective.
wv - Charade afternoon - Mr. Kim’s new hit album.
2 gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 7:57 am
“this time we mean business.”
Next stop: “Time-Out.”
[Editor's Note: Sadly, the U.N. has already exhausted that option. As ScrappleFace previously reported...
U.N. May Threaten Kim Jong-Il with Time Out]
3 mig // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:12 am
Like I said, sanctions worked so well for Iraq…
4 gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:19 am
Re#2: Duly noted, Scott. Not that the phenomenon of revolving empty threats is unheard of, but your point is well made.
Revised: “Don’t make me stop this car!”
5 gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:21 am
In other nuclear madman news:
Running mate Al Franken was unavailable for comment.
6 Jesse Raphial // Jun 13, 2009 at 9:56 am
more sanctions….that should work….
7 gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 10:44 am
I dunno, JR Re#6; when the people of North Korea start missing out on some of the imported luxuries they’ve come to take for granted, the next election could be a lot tougher for the Kim Dynasty.
8 mig // Jun 13, 2009 at 10:49 am
gafisher- you mean the luxury of starvation?
9 camojack // Jun 13, 2009 at 11:28 am
“If” sanctions fail? That’s satire, all right…
10 RedRum151 // Jun 13, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Speaking of the Kim Dynasty — I’d just like to take this opportunity to note that at least we won’t be looking at a third-generation Hussein dynasty in Iraq a few decades from now. Oozy, Queasy — we hardly knew ya! Bye-bye, boys -
11 Libby Gone // Jun 13, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Maybe it would be a worse punishment to send Ms. Clinton to NK for a week……….
In a skirt!
12 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 13, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Perhaps even his dreams are slogans. ~~ Coming Up for Air by George Orwell, published July, 1939.
13 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 13, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Perhaps even his dreams are slogans. ~~ Coming Up for Air by George Orwell, published June, 1939.
14 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 13, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Sorry. #12 date wrong. Sorry.
15 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Intense Debate just fixed the Wordpress 2.8 issue
16 Darthmeister // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Maybe the UN could try the “wait until you get home and your daddy takes care of you.” The daddy in this case being the global messiah, Obama.
Yeah, right. I see the NoKos shivering in their jackboots.
Hey, how’s that Obama “stimulus” working out? From the USA Today:
“People who still have jobs are faring worse than at any time since the Great Depression, a USA TODAY analysis of employment data found. Furloughs, pay cuts and reduced hours are taking a toll on workers who so far have escaped job cuts. . . . Unemployment rates for workers 45 and older have soared to their highest level since at least 1948, when the government started tracking it.”
Oh, I forgot … IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!
17 mindknumbed kid // Jun 13, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Speak softly / carry a big stick. What we have today is a whole lot of soft talk, but where are the big sticks? Our (the UN and Obama’s America) threats are backed by the intimidation of us using a wet straw! How effective were they against the other Hussein’s swagger? Cowboy Bush put a little something behind the talk and the liberals have been apologizing ever since. Iran and Korea will continue to thumb their noses at the world because they are comfortable doing so. Is our only hope that Oblabbermouth will keep talking until they can’t take it anymore and commit suicide?
18 gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Camo Re#9, the “If” has to be satire, but sanctions are themselves a Letterman-quality joke. Other than freedom, what exactly would we withhold from the people of North Korea? Certainly any “humanitarian aid” has as good a chance — actually a far worse chance — of making it to the starving population as our misguided efforts to help the Somali people during the Clinton Administration. Yet sanctions, as always, “trickle down” to the lowest economic class, which in the DPRK means about 99% of the population, hurting the people we purport to be helping while strengthening the grip of the rulers we hope to stop.
Sanctions in this instance are pointless — which I suppose is what makes the whole thing satire.
19 mindknumbed kid // Jun 13, 2009 at 10:32 pm
If we continue to deal with the leader of N. Korea as though he is a sane, rational, and kind person even though we know he is not, does it not mean that we ourselves have acquired insanity?
Guys like lil’ Kim and Amanutjob are not and will never be reasonable people who are interested in the good of all.
20 Newsman // Jun 14, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Up until now, North Korea’s Nuclear Blackmailing Scheme has been working.
It is time we stopped playing that game period !!! This is the kind of situation which Obama must stand up to and say “NO MORE” ! We shall see what his backbone is made of.
21 Fred Sinclair // Jun 14, 2009 at 10:45 pm
gafisher #5 - the number - that’s what I’m waiting to hear about. It’s the number that puzzles me. I’m waiting to hear the announcement detailing the exact number of A.C.O.R.N. Community Organizers that our current usurper “loaned” to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to stand in front of the polling places in ‘uniforms’ with billy clubs to smack in their palms as they provided security and oversight to ensure that the election was “open, fair, honest and totally devoid of any fraud or ‘cheating’.
The elections had to be supervised so that it could have the same open fairness - modeled with the same honesty as has been true with the fair elections by Hugo Chavez, Idi Amin, Fidel Castro and the late Sadam Hussein. All in all the standard of all true, honest and open elections.
In fact with careful oversight, the Iranian election could have been blueprinted after our own election last November where A.C.O.R.N. Community Organizers were careful to certify that there was not one vote left uncounted and the final count was without so much as even one fraudulent vote.
If we could return to those wonderful days of yesteryear when we were a Republic (for which our flag stands) the results would perhaps have resulted in a different outcome.
Rush said, and I agree, that if the usurper’s health care plan should succeed in becoming reality, America, as we have known it, will cease to exist.
We will be like a democracy where majority rules and we have two wolves and one lamb voting for what will be on tonight’s menu.
22 mindknumbed kid // Jun 14, 2009 at 11:03 pm
http://tinyurl.com/nva792
I bet they just can’t wait until God is “out of power” in this nation…
23 camojack // Jun 15, 2009 at 3:52 am
gafisher // Jun 13, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Camo Re#9, the “If” has to be satire, but sanctions are themselves a Letterman-quality joke.
“Letterman-quality”? Now there’s an oxymoron…
24 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 8:32 am
I’ve told you the solution but no president yet has had the guts…
The Comfy Chair!
Even the likes of Kim could never stand up to the sort of thing. He’d give up in a heartbeat.
25 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:19 am
Camo Re#23: it was certainly not meant as a compliment to the TV hack.
26 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:27 am
“Rush said, and I agree, that if the usurper’s health care plan should succeed in becoming reality, America, as we have known it, will cease to exist.”
Because only God knows where we’d be without insurance companies and lawyers. More altruistic folks you’ll never meet. They have only my best interests at heart…really!
Oooh wait, I do….richer?
27 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:28 am
mkk Re#17: “What we have today is a whole lot of soft talk, but where are the big sticks?”
What we have today is a whole lot of big talk and soft “sticks.” After praising himself for turning the course of history with his Cairo (concession) speech, the best Obama can come up with to counter serious nuclear threats to several of our closest allies (and theoretically even our own shores) is to stand back and see what Hillary “My husband gave you your reactors” Clinton can come up with.
28 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:41 am
Hmmm, maybe we should have invaded a country that HAD weapons of mass destruction rather than one that didn’t.
Why didn’t we? Because we KNEW North Korea had them and invading countries that have them is dangerous…making Iraq the perfect target…we knew they didn’t.
Even if you stick with the “possibly” theory it does not explain why we skipped over the “certain” option and went with “possible”…because there is much human suffering in both countries as well so we’re even there.
What could have been the “tipping point” do you suppose? Natural resources perhaps?
Nah, it was WMD’s…sure it was…
29 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:45 am
Bober Re#26, it may be that we’d miss Doctors and hospitals even more. Every western nation that’s adopted socialized medicine has seen the size of medical school classes drop, which is one of the chief reasons you might well need a translator to communicate with your Doctor in England or Canada today. Meanwhile, the rationing of health care (coupled with the declining number of health professionals) has mandated the closure of hospitals and other medical facilities, to be replaced by (or more often “consolidated” into) understaffed and overworked regional facilities far less accessible to suburban and rural populations.
A close friend in Canada and another in England both fell foul of this within the past few years, and another Canadian couple who lived in the States for a few years before returning in 2007 to Canada have told my wife and me many times since that one of the things they really miss is our excellent health care system. They also confirm that one of the reasons Canada’s system functions at all is that the U.S. is nearby as a backup; many Canadians both in and out of Government are seriously concerned about the effect a shift in U.S. health care would have on Canada.
30 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:05 am
Fred Re#21: In the end, the President of Iran is nothing more than a figurehead, a frontman for the Ayatollah. Almost 300 potential candidates were kept off the ballot because Iran’s real leaders saw Mookie and his opponent as their best spokesmen. What the Iranian people voted on was nothing more than a matter of style, not of policy.
Even in that microscopic field vote fraud was rampant — for example, the poll closing time was extended at least three times until Mookie got the numbers he wanted (shades of Al Franken!) — because it’s certainly lucrative (and a lot more fun) to be the head puppet, but Iran’s positions would not have changed substantially no matter which candidate won.
(However, domestic and international response to the election is a hopeful sign. Perhaps Obama made a difference after all — nobody wants that “big-a**-mistake” to happen again.
)
31 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:08 am
Political Procedure: Somebody speaks at length but says nothing, nobody listens, and then everybody disagrees.
32 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:21 am
when Harry Truman left office. he and Bess got a cab to the train depot to her mother’s house and he had his WW1 pension..times have changed!!!!!!!
How insensitive:
America is in deep recession, unemployment is sky high, and the government never has been more deeply in debt.
Yet George and Laura Bush hopped on a taxpayer-funded
helicopter that took them to a private taxpayer-funded
jet that flew them to New York City, where another
taxpayer-funded helicopter took them to Lower Manhattan to a taxpayer-funded motorcade and a taxpayer-funded night on the town, including a Broadway play that was held up for 45 minutes pending their arrival.
Throughout the trip, the Bushes were accompanied
by a taxpayer-funded security team.
Later, they flew home, again on the taxpayers’ dime.
The Bushes refuse to say how much the trip cost taxpayers,
but $1 million is in the ballpark.
Wait until the news media gets their claws into this one.
Wait !!
WHAT?
It was Barack and Michelle Obama ??
My, How romantic!
33 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:22 am
gafisher, sounds like we’ll all be cared for as well as our vetrans are now…fitting…but private health care is welcome to come “to the rescue” by figuring out how to offer coverage to the under/unemployed. Wanna bet they come up with something?
Fred, that sums it up pretty well…
Anyone, so if George was worried about unstable men that were mean to their people and WMD’s to boot….why didn’t he invade NK?
34 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:28 am
YouTube - Al Gore sued by over 30,000 Scientists for Global Warming fraud John Coleman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6l1Cp3MYCQ
35 JQ // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:39 am
Boberin says:
The difference was the al-Qaeda factor, Boberin. The likelihood of nuclear weapons development in Iraq was a very dangerous prospect, considering how cooperative Saddam was with the terrorist organization. Remember, we were right on the heels of 9/11, and the prospect of Bin Laden having a nuclear weapon was a very real threat.
North Korea’s not likely to share their toys with Islamic terrorists; their Glorious Leader wouldn’t want them falling into the hands of someone with poor judgement. Besides, I would imagine that pretty much every able-bodied intelligence organization in the West is keeping a very close eye on Krazy Kim’s operations.
36 JQ // Jun 15, 2009 at 10:48 am
Fred Sinclair says:
Thanks for that, Fred. Well-played.
WV: “Bach drown” ( “What’s that girl? Bach’s in the well?” )
37 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:00 am
JQ, we had a pretty close eye on Saddam too and contrary to some opinion Saddam and Bin Laden never saw eye to eye on much/anything plus…there were no meaningful WMD’s (except the ones buried in Syria but thank goodness those folks are too level headed to use them)…prolly forgot where they’re buried by now unless they left a stick of something.
38 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:00 am
Las Vegas and Reno Nevada are noted for wagers on most any conceivable proposition. I would like to find out the odds on which of “the usual suspects” in our Capitol will be the first to start serving hard time in the penitentiary for their crimes against America as they wire their political bombs to bring about the demolition of America. They are avidly engrossed in demolishing our Republic as they scheme to replace it with their version of Socialism “…..from each according to his ability, to each according to his need…..” [Karl Marx] a/k/a “Spreading the wealth”.
Transforming our American Republic (USA) into their new (old really) United Socialist States of America (USSA) Socialism failed miserably in Russia, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc., etc.
It has a 100% failure rate, everywhere it’s been tried. The few times that it has “worked” for a little while has without exception, been at gunpoint. It’s no wonder they work so hard to disarm the populace, turning them from Citizens to Subjects.
Another good Las Vegas bet would be to bet on the date that the current usurper in the “Oval Office” will begin serving his time in prison. In the sixteenth century Sir John Harrington wrote: “Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”
It took Russia 400 years to create 23 tzars. In less than 5 months our usurper has created 22 tzars.
No our usurper won’t go to prison anytime real soon. With his sycophants surrounding and protecting him, it will be like peeling away layers of an onion as bit by bit and piece by piece he is exposed (vetted?) for who and what he is.
He’s neither Christian nor Muslim. He is, in and of himself, his own religion with himself as his own messiah functioning under the teachings of his mentors: Marx, Lenin, Engles, Ayers, Wright, etc. Over 16,000 jobs a day lost since his Imaculation on Jan. 20 2009! 146 days x 16,000 = 2,336,000 jobs lost, or, in his own words, “You ain’t seen nothing yet.”
39 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:12 am
Up the meds a notch Fred. You’ll feel better…
40 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:16 am
“Socialism failed miserably in Russia, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Cuba, Venezuela, etc., etc.
It has a 100% failure rate, everywhere it’s been tried. The few times that it has “worked” for a little while has without exception, been at gunpoint. It’s no wonder they work so hard to disarm the populace, turning them from Citizens to Subjects.”
Good thing no one is trying socialism here, no one but Dick/Rush is voting for failure…
And, no one is trying to take away your guns either so again…easy there big fella, these things are the product of talk radio/the voices in your head so…increase or decrease, it matters not…but please…adjust the meds…
41 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:29 am
Re#33: “… we’ll all be cared for as well as our vetrans are now …”
Assuming you meant our brave veterans, Bober, I agree that we treat them shamefully. But how does wrecking the rest of the system help them?
42 RedRum151 // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:33 am
Nuking North Korea back to the Stone Age would be a complete waste of time.
They’re already there.
43 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:38 am
gafisher, it would just be fair…not wonderful. Soldiers get lousy care, teachers get lousy pay…but the folks that took us to the brink of ruin and beyond…they do just fine thank you.
Any wonder folks voted for change? Not to my mind…not a bit. Will anything change? Not likely but…jury still out…anything could happen
wv = “settles washington”…and it’s about time someone did
44 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:44 am
Re: “… there were no meaningful WMD’s (except the ones …”
No WMDs.
Well, OK, some WMDs, but only meaningless ones.
Uh, well, except for those others …
The left is backpedaling so fast Lance Armstrong couldn’t keep up.
wv - Southside plumage - What you see when chickens scatter.
45 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 11:59 am
gafisher, trace amounts of nerve gas well beyond it’s useful life is something i’d prefer not to have buried in my yard but it isn’t quite as scary as NK standing up and shouting…we are led by a madman and we have nukes…wanna see em?
I’m guessing we knew about the nerve gas since we had sold it to Saddam…thus our “knowing” about the rest…same reason…except the UN told him to destroy them and…wait for it…he did that. Once that was done we were “safe” invading. I was kidding about the “buried in Syria” theory as it was laughable then, more so now
46 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:00 pm
bya #40 - Boy oh boy, have you been suckered.
I cannot possibly believe that you believe your own comments. To believe that claptrap and bullfeathers would require at the minimum an IQ equal to room temp.
Heretofore I had at least given you credit for somewhat more intelligence than that.
When all else fails, at least check his voting record.
As an Illinois Senator he has voted 100% of the time for every anti-gun legislation that has ever come before him; just as he has voted against every pro-gun legislation that has ever come before him.
If his TelePrompTer tells him to say that he doesn’t want to confiscate guns (especially hunter’s rifles and shotguns) he will say what his handlers tell him to say. But you can reach deeply into your pocket and bet your last bottom dollar that his words are 180 degrees away from his real intent.
Just as he SAID that he was going to fix this and that….so far to date without exception, his policies have resulted in the exact opposite happening. There is not one thing he has touched, so far that is not substantially worse off than before he took office.
47 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Bober Re#43, what’s “fair” about that?!? Wouldn’t it be much more fair to give our veterans our very best, just as they’ve done for us? I can’t imagine you’d argue for leaving them out of the very benefits they defended for the rest of us!
p.s. — I hate to follow your rabbit trails, but the irrelevant comment about teacher pay just repeats a myth. My brother and his wife are teachers in one of the poorest districts in one of the poorest states in the U.S. and each makes more than the U.S. average household income — that is to say, together they earn more than twice what most families live on nationally. And although they are certainly exceptional people, they are not receiving exceptional pay for teachers in the U.S. I’m sure contrary examples can be found, but click [HERE] for some actual data in understandable form.
48 JQ // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I think it’s time we stopped calling Barack Obama a “usurper.” He won the election, fair and square, giving the people exactly what they asked for. It’s the people of America who deserve the verbal whoopin’; they’re the ones who have forgotten what it means to be an American.
They’ve forgotten the words of their hero, JFK, who famously said:
Obama’s all about what our government should do for us, and that has all the lazy selfish voters out in the streets, cheering. The stories of my grandfathers making their way by the sweat of their brow and the determination to provide for their families have become a thing of the past. Those suckers! Didn’t they realize that it was the government’s job to feed their families?
49 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:19 pm
This pretty much sums it up. Why is this not a
“Headline” with the national media???
“Replacing Michelle”
At the top right hand corner of Page 17 of the New York Post of January 24th, 2009, was a short column entitled “Replacing Michelle” in the National Review “The Week” column. I found this interesting, so here it is, word for word, as it appeared:
Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical Center hired her in 2002 to run “programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting.”
In 2005, the hospital raised her salary from $120,000 to $317,000 - nearly twice what her husband made as a Senator. Oh, did we mention that her husband had just become a US Senator? He sure had - Requested a $1 Million earmark for the UC Medical Center, in fact. Way to network, Michelle!
But now that Mrs. Obama has resigned, the hospital says her position will remain unfilled. How can that be, if the work she did was vital enough to be worth $317,000? We can think of only one explanation:
Senator Roland Burris’s wife wasn’t interested.
Note: Let me add that Michelle’s position was a half-time, 20 hour a week job. And to think they were critical of Blagojevich’s wife for taking $100,000 in fuzzy real estate commission.
I wonder why no one has brought charges of bribery against Michelle and the
University Hospital ?
“Culture of Corruption”? We ain’t seen nothin’ yet….
50 Newsman // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:19 pm
C’mon Fred:
No president of any stripe is allowed by the Secret Service to go anywhere unaacompanied by a horde of security personnel.
So, you are saying Obama and Michelle should not be allowed to go anywhere outside the grounds of the White House because it is too expensive ?
Did George and Laura travel about by themselves without the same horde of security agents ? Did they walk everywhere they went to save gas money ?
What do you think it cost the taxpayers every time he went home to Texas ?
You know I was not a fan of George but I certainly never begrudged the expense when he and Laura went anywhere.
Don’t be an idiot, please !!
51 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Fred, not one American has had even 1 legal gun taken away…if it EVER happens then come say “I told you so”…and I’ll eat it w/o salt. The gun mfgs seem to be loving the implication, have seen a dramtic increase in sales. I’m betting that gun owners want to be certain they can take on the army (that have major firepower useful from 20 miles and more away, good luck with that “fight”)
Gafisher, my daughter just won “teacher of the year” for Montgomery County PA (the “Stars/Keys” program, info available on the website but pretty well buried) and she makes doodley squat…so maybe your freinds would consider sharing….anyway, she’s the only “real world” example I can cite.
And, she works with the “worst of the worst” the under/unloved kids that everone here wishes there were lots more of…all for next to nothing…and she’s a veteran that was damaged/poorly cared for (not horribly…poorly)….
But lets go with your sources anyway…
52 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Fred, as much fun as frivolous chain e-mails can be they aren’t always all that factual. Must be where you got your “our guns are being confiscated” train of thought as well. Some should just be deleted.
In fact, Mrs. Obama’s income in 2006, a year after her promotion, had decreased to $273,618. And for 2007 (the year she actually started working part-time), her income was $103,633, according to the couple’s tax return for that year. She took an “unpaid leave of absence to work on her husband’s presidential campaign” in 2008, but still received $62,709 from the hospital. However, Easton noted that her final reported salary “consists of accumulated but unused vacation time plus the final payout from a supplemental executive retirement plan.”
53 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Easton said the nearly $317,000 figure is “misleading” anyway because it includes more than just her salary. He said the figure “also includes a performance bonus, a one-time signing bonus (she had other, competing offers at the time), and a one-time mandatory payout from a terminated retirement plan.” This is reflected in the fact that her 2006 earnings were less than in 2005.
The first lady, a graduate of both Princeton University and Harvard Law School, was quite accomplished before she joined the University of Chicago in 1996 and ultimately the medical center in 2002.
54 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I recently asked my friend’s little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be president some day.
Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, “If you were president what would be the first thing you would do?”
She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.”
Her parents beamed.
“Wow… what a worthy goal.” I told her, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re president to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where homeless guys hang out, and you can give them the $50, you earned, to use toward food and a new house.”
She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”
I said, “Welcome to the Republican Party.”
Her parents still aren’t speaking to me.
55 JQ // Jun 15, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Good for her, getting in that signing bonus before the pay czar makes them illegal.
56 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 1:50 pm
JQ #48 - “I think it’s time we stopped calling Barack Obama a “usurper.” He won the election, fair and square, giving the people exactly what they asked for.”
If the fraudulent votes were deleted and his Kenyan Birth Certificate was put on public display - perhaps you too would see him for the usurper he is.
The detention camps are currently under construction around the country and the military who would enforce the martial law decree are currently being trained.
Libbers won’t have to worry as the military will concentrate on trying to round up us conservatives like they did with Americans with Japanese backgrounds during WW2.
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/06/03/marines-to-begin-martial-law-training-in-indianapolis/
Marines to begin martial law training in Indianapolis
June 3rd, 2008 | Constitutional Crisis
By: D. H. Williams @ 9:14 PM - EST
Indianapolis Mayor, Greg Ballard surrenders 26 private and state owned sites for martial law training
Under the guise of urban warfare training the 26th Expeditionary Unit an elite group of U.S. Marines will conduct a martial law training exercise at 26 “surrendered” locations in central Indiana from June 4th thru the 17th. While state officials and media are doing their best to assure the public that this military takeover of civilian property is somehow a good thing, ignoring the Posse Comitatus Act which fundamentally prohibits these types of exercises. These two weeks of training are also a contradiction of military tradition against deployments among the civilian population dating back to the end of the Civil War. Why then are the citizens of Indianapolis and six other Indiana towns being made to take part in two weeks of patrols and ambushes?
Local news station WTHR 6 reports, “That in the interest of national security the sights and sounds of war will be brought to Indianapolis .” Why do residents of Indianapolis need to learn the sights and sounds of war? Could it be a conditioning process? Considering that numerous urban training environments which exist within military bases in the U. S. and around the globe the explanation of “a need to train in realistic urban zones” is doubtful. More likely the real purpose is to condition the civilian population and military personnel to living under martial law. Too many this hypotheses may sound farfetched, that is until you realize the plans for martial law and the detention of U.S. citizens have already been made. (Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), “Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies,” gives the executive the power to invoke martial law.)
57 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Re#52: “And for 2007 (the year she actually started working part-time), [Michelle Obama's] income was $103,633, according to the couple’s tax return for that year.”
I never imagined! And with babies to feed! Has anyone set up a benevolence fund for these poor struggling public servants? Why, it’s no wonder her essential position has remained unfilled — who else would work part time, and for so little?
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I would! I would! 
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58 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:10 pm
“The detention camps are currently under construction around the country and the military who would enforce the martial law decree are currently being trained.”
“Libbers won’t have to worry as the military will concentrate on trying to round up us conservatives like they did with Americans with Japanese backgrounds during WW2.”
Fred, if you were kidding I’d be laughing my butt off…since my butt still seems attached i have no choice but to demand that you seek professional help. Shut off the computer and walk to the nearest mental health facility. Better yet, run there…or call and ask that they come get you.
In any case, please turn off the computer and the radio…they are messing with you…seriously, does anyone know where Fred lives? The “rounding up” process is already behind schedule
59 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Top 5 current stories/WTHR/Military…
Marines to be out of Iraq in spring 2010
Ind. War Memorial renames rooms for Hoosier heroes
Soldiers feel heat at camps in Iraq
Obama: no permanent US presence in Afghanistan
Dept. of Defense breaks ground on Lawrence armory
NC-based airman from Indiana killed in Afghanistan
60 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:20 pm
~~~Luke 8:24-25
61 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:32 pm
JQ #36
“WV: “Bach drown” ( “What’s that girl? Bach’s in the well?” )”
That made my day.
62 JQ // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Fred, re#56
Did you notice that your government paranoia article was written in June of 2008, long before Obama was in charge?
You might want to do some fact-checking before posting propaganda, Fred. It makes conservatives in general look like idiots when email-forwarded urban legends take on factual status amongst the conservative groups.
63 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I really needed my day made, Lil’ Kim ill is acting up so I just had a 14 hour 9PM to 11AM shift. Oy vey! I’m not as young as I used to be.
Deus est Semper Fidelis
64 JQ // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:53 pm
SGT USMC 1ea, re: 61, 63
Glad to help; I couldn’t resist that combination.
65 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 15, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Boberin,
Can you please dispense with the WMD meme and the “UP YOUR MEDS” ad hom. They are getting distressingly boring.
WV= puffs fi (faithfull tissues?)
66 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 15, 2009 at 3:08 pm
And Boberin, as for me and my family, nuclear proliferation is not an option, but I would not want to interfere with the choice of others. Let Lil’ kim make his own personal choice and stop sabre rattling about attacking him. After all 3 million incenerated Soko’s won’t effect my wallet and would probably get rid of a lot of kimchee smelling unwanted, probably non contributory, people.
67 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 15, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Oooh,
That last one seems a little cold. Let it be known that I love Korea and Koreans and have ultimate respect for my ROK Marine counterparts.
Deus est Semper Fidelis.
68 boberinyetagain // Jun 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm
SGT, have we “moved beyond” the WMD rational? What replaced it? Mean man? (this was bandied about here a bit) NK still qualifies. Whatever
Ok, no one wants to invade NK…so, let them be. I’m ok with that, was wondering that given we were going to start a war (and we did) why not choose an adversary that was truly dangerous?
Answer please….
Nuclear armed nations telling those without that they can’t have them is guaranteed to provoke even reasonable people and many aren’t all that reasonable. Same goes for “get rid of em”…sure to be mocked because, truth be told, it’s funny.
As for the meds…give me a viable alternative for Fred and I’m with you. He needs something, some small connection to reality. As JQ points out (much more eloquently than I) he’s not making the rest of you seem all that “with it”.
69 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Boberin,
Your definition of significant WMD, capability and the word dangerous are different than mine. I have been there, worn the mask-got the merit badge, but will just agree to disagree. Of course that was just one of 13 justifications (google it).
We lost our chance for a military solution on NK during the Clinton years. Now instead of talking about lives in the hundreds it translates into millions. I might have more insight on this particular matter, then again travelling to the worlds potential ground zeroes just might make me paranoid. Suggestion- exploit my fearfulness.
As for the meds, you are perhaps on a surplus that causes you to straddle that fence so painfully. It still is distressfully boring.
Deus est Semper Fidelis
70 onlineanalyst // Jun 15, 2009 at 4:55 pm
To what degree is Obama an appeaser to the mullahs in Iran and to Muslims in general? Need you ask?
Is our CinC incompetent or naive? He is just plain dangerous to the world’s balance of power.
71 Darthmeister // Jun 15, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Voter fraud and mass demonstrations in Iran with 15 civilians murdered by security forces of the mullahs of the “religion of peace, it’s now 3 a.m. and Obama votes …. ta da “present”. There’s a real force for freedom, liberty and transparency for ya.
Isn’t it interesting how the Chosen One, he who can’t stop talking, is strangely silent about Iran - other than to congratulate the fraudulent winner, Ahmadaboutjihad?
From the Claremont Review:
The danger liberalism poses to the American experiment comes from its disposition to deplete rather than replenish the capital required for self-government. Entitlement programs overextend not only financial but political capital. They proffer new “rights,” goad people to demand and expand those rights aggressively, and disdain truth in advertising about the nature or scope of the new debts and obligations those rights will engender.
The experiment in self-government requires the cultivation, against the grain of a democratic age, of the virtues of self-reliance, patience, sacrifice, and restraint. The people who have this moral and social capital understand and accept that there “will be many long periods when you put more into your institutions than you get out,” according to David Brooks. Instead, liberalism promotes snarling but unrugged individualism, combining an absolute right to the lifestyle of one’s choice (regardless of the social cost) with an equally fundamental right to be supported at state expense.
72 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 15, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Current events, on a multitude of levels, are careening toward a multitude of nuclear meltdown genres—there, I said it.
I pray for all of the Korean Peninsula. I’m praying for Iran, too. And I’m praying for the USA to head back to the moral high ground Almighty God bequeathed to us [Americans] as stewards through His strength and guidance.
I pray that drastic defensive measures are poised—well lubricated, soldered, programed, polished, armed and aimed—but will never have to vaporize vast swaths of highly populated areas. Because, I think once we start lobbing atom bombs, we might as well let ‘er rip and send them all—let ‘em come down like rain all over the world.
BHO has achieved his goal of isolating us from sanity or logic to the point that, even if he did want to rid the world of some evil [before we're all flossing plutonium out of our teeth], he would be met with the laughter of derision and scorn from friend and foe alike.
Out of fairness, all United States citizens should be issued firearms, ammunition, full-body armor and tents but I think we’re supposed to be expendable and, in the progressive mind, fairness doesn’t come into play much anyway.
73 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Listen to this before it’s pulled off the internet.
This is good! Listen carefully to the words!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhhkF3dqXR0&feature=player_embedded
74 onlineanalyst // Jun 15, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Iran has imported thugs from Chavez to impose “order” during the protests. It takes a thug to know a thug.
Meanwhile, Obama did not covene his policy makers over the weekend re the Iranian uprisings. (He did manage to get in a game of golf though.)
Overseas, the media are calling out Obama for his “cowardly silence.”
Scattered twitters are indicating that the Iranian populace has had it with the mullah-cracy and the puppets that the despots endorse. Will this Iranian revolution open the doors to liberty? What is the Obama’s position in this regard?
75 Fred Sinclair // Jun 15, 2009 at 8:59 pm
If the libbers are successful in gagging A.M. talk radio with their updated version of the “Fairness Doctrine” Most likely they will rue the day.
Without his radio show to keep him busy, Rush might decide to run for president with perhaps Ann Coulter as his VP running mate. He won’t run now because he says he can’t afford the pay cut. (He’s currently earning $50 million a year). Since the Congressional Approval Ratings are in the septic tank (and have been for a good, long time now) then, when the bums (including RINOS) are run out of town as they were in 1994, the Republicans would comprise a leading majority in both the Senate and the House of Reps. With a filibuster proof 65 Republican Senators, President Limbaugh and Congress could go about the business of untangling the snarled mess of the usurper and his predecessor (some of Bush’s liberal nonsense will be just as difficult to unsnarl as the usurpers.)
They could begin with Ginrich’s 12 step program: reworking the “failed Washington model of bailouts, deficit spending and a bloated federal bureaucracy.”
1. Create a payroll tax credit to help workers and small businesses.
2. Cut the 25% marginal tax rate to 15%.
3. Reduce the business tax rate.
4. Stabilize housing prices so responsible home buyers can avoid foreclosures.
5. Control federal spending and move to a balanced budget.
6. End Medicare fraud by requiring states to adopt anti-theft and anti-fraud measures.
7. Develop more American energy.
8. Abolish taxes on capital gains.
9. Protect workers’ right to vote in a secret ballot before being forced to join a union.
10. Replace the Sarbanes-Oxley law regulating corporations’ accounting practices.
11. Abolish the death tax.
12. Invest in infrastructure, including a new electric grid.
Right now Rush won’t run - says he couldn’t afford the pay cut. (He’s currently earning $50 Million a year) but shut off the air, he just might. Of course, even if he carried 49 of the 50 states like Reagan did, the libbers would spend the next eight years crying in their Kool-Aid. Charging all the while that Rush ’stole’ the election.
76 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:06 pm
“What is the Obama’s position in this regard?”
Unchanged; hopeless.
77 gafisher // Jun 15, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Fred Re#75 — I’d suggest Limbaugh — Palin with the lovely and gracious Ann Coulter occupying the Secretary of State’s Office.
I can’t agree with all Newt’s suggestions, though. I’d prefer to see “government” out of anything private enterprise does better, from energy to medicine to utility infrastructure. Forget cutting the marginal tax rate — implement the Fair Tax instead and get this nation back into the productivity business.
78 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 8:38 am
If you see nothing amiss with a system that says Limbaugh should “earn” $50 million/year then you are not looking very hard and I weep for us as a people. On top of that you want to cut his taxes so that he’s “forced” to contribute even less of his “hard earned” money to the common good.
And you feel that once that happens, we will all be better off.
And y’all call me the lunatic? Then I wear the label proudly because in my world that just isn’t right.
Mind you it’s one of many examples of what’s not right but it’s the one you “look up to” most often.
He’s paid to denigrate the CIC and our country and you lap it up.
Very, very wrong…
79 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 9:00 am
Republican Senator John McCain, Obama’s opponent in last year’s U.S. presidential election, called the re-election of Ahmadinejad “corrupt” and urged the United States to “speak out strongly.”
Representative Mike Pence, the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives, criticized Obama for not speaking more forcefully.
“It is appropriate for the leader of the free world at this time to speak a word of encouragement to those dissidents in the street,” Pence said.
But Suzanne Maloney, an Iran expert at the Brookings Institution, said publicly siding with pro-democracy protesters could undermine them and work against U.S. interests.
“The only option is to sit back and let them play it out,” she said. “I think that concern being expressed is perfectly appropriate but you don’t want Washington on its high horse.”
80 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 9:04 am
It’s called freedom people. Free people can freely elect other people that (wait for it…) we don’t approve of and…we don’t have any say whatsoever…zero…zip…zilch…nada.
Tep, the “pubs” would have spoken right up, been “forceful” in their response…and they’d have come off looking very foolish…again.
Good plan, we need to look more foolish, what have we to lose by now?
81 gafisher // Jun 16, 2009 at 9:37 am
Just between us, Bober, but you’re sounding sillier and sillier. SGT USMC 1ea may have guessed it correctly, or it could be lead paint, a gas leak or something else. Do they have a working carbon monoxide detector in your room?
Take care of yourself, OK? We miss your occasionally lucid old self.
82 gafisher // Jun 16, 2009 at 9:52 am
Re#79 & 80, culminating with: “Free people can freely elect other people …”
Free elections are the prerequisite for this, and even the most conciliatory and appeasement-driven governments in Europe and around the world are decrying the recent Iranian “election” as a massive scam. These same countries, who just months ago hailed the new “Leader of the Free World” are openly asking why President Obama has virtually abandoned the issue after taking personal credit for “free elections in Iran” a few days ago.
Stumbler though he has proved to be, Obama gave hope to Iran’s nascent freedom movement — and then abandoned them. We should be ashamed, even if he isn’t.
83 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 10:40 am
Boberin says:
I’m not a fan of Rush, don’t want him as my president, and don’t believe that he should make $50 million for what he does; however, his employers wouldn’t be paying him that much if he wasn’t bringing in far more than that in revenue. That’s capitalism, and it seems to be working just fine for him (supply) and his listeners (demand).
No, actually, he’s paid to denigrate the liberal left who would morph his country into something other than what it is, by their (your?) own admission. The whole point of liberalism is to “change” the country into something else; the whole point of conservatism is to preserve the values (moral and economic) that made our country great in the first place. When he declares that he wants Obama to fail, he’s obviously not wanting the country to fail; he wants Obama to fail in his mission to twist America into a socialist state.
Besides, when did you guys get so defensive of the office of “Commander-in-chief” ? All I’ve been hearing for years from the left is “Bush is a moron,” “Some village in TX is missing it’s idiot,” etc, etc. Now it’s all of a sudden wrong to disrespect the president?
84 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm
gafisher, sorry to let you down. Which part(s) sounds so silly? I looked again and find little/no silliness. As for the “election”…”free” or not it’s A) not our concern B) wouldn’t matter a whit who “wins” as whoever it is isn’t the person in charge C) nothing Obama could say or not say could do anything but aggravate the situation because…see “A”. Interference couldn’t possibly help, might hurt, is meaningless posturing of which we’ve had plenty.
I recall an earlier invasion of Iraq wherein our President at the time insinuated that if the “freedom seekers” of that country would stand up, we’d have their backs. Then he abandoned them and they were slaughtered.
Ring any bells? Not THAT’S a man not standing up for his “peeps”. Obama made no promise, for good reason.
JQ, personally I did not call George names or wish that he failed. I stridently pointed out precise decisions that I totally disagreed with (a certain war comes to mind as do tax cuts, bailouts…it’s a long time ago now but he DID begin that nonsense)
I know Rush is an entertainer and I get the “makes his boss money” deal…and while it’s wrong for him and hundreds of others he is indeed hoping the Pres will fail and he means at anything/everything he tries. Obama has done nothing remotely socialist (that was not just a conclusion of something begun before his tenure) just as he has not tried to take away anyone’s guns but you folks scream both things over and over until (I have to assume) you believe them. Good for you…I guess
85 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Boberin says:
How can you say that? The entire liberal agenda, if given free reign, IS socialism. Minimum wage hikes and executive pay caps. Government-run health care. The liberal left would have “the government” support everyone from the cradle to the grave, if they had their way.
All that being said, Obama is the epitome of the liberal left. He believes in all of this, and he has promised to deliver most of it. No, he hasn’t removed our gun rights, but you’d better believe that he wants to. If we started to get concerned after our rights were taken away, it wouldn’t do us much good, would it? We look at the guy’s record and his Congressional following, and that makes us a tad nervous. Don’t pretend that’s unreasonable.
86 Darthmeister // Jun 16, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Obama has done nothing remotely socialist
Buwahahahahaha. Boy, are you in denial. The inarguable fact is, Mr. Obama has dictated his terms with respect to privately owned companies like Chrysler. In effect the American government will OWN Government Motors because it will hold a majority of its shares.
This is why Obama’s hidden socialist agenda matters. Maybe Mr. Obama is more correctly identified as a statist, as is most of the liberal Democrats in America, and whether statist or socialist he, his sycophants, and his policies are a direct threat to our constitutional republic.
One of the hallmarks of socialism is putting in place policies for wealth redistribution. Mr. Obama himself embraces this notion, particularly with his comment about there needing to be government programs to “help spread the wealth around.” Mr. Obama’s healthcare plan which will force me and other independent Americans to pay with our tax money for someone else’s healthcare is pure socialism. This is made even more egregious if I opt to have a private plan since I’ll still be paying more taxes to support a national (read: socialist) healthcare system.
Boberinyetagain, your best defense of Obama when the question of his socialist leanings come us is not to deny Mr. Obama’s associations with and embrace of socialism/socialists but rather to say, “What’s wrong with socialism?” Quit trying to redefine Obama. Given the results of this last election its pretty clear half of Americans are communists and socialists in their thinking, whether they want to admit it or not, so what’s the problem with us identifying Obama as a socialist at heart?
Meet Baskin & Robbins’ new ice cream cone. In honor of the 44th President of the United States , Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has introduced a new flavor, ” Barocky Road .”
Barocky Road is a blend of half vanilla, half chocolate, and surrounded by nuts and flakes. The vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The nuts and flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow. The cost is $100.00 per scoop. When purchased it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but then the ice cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you and you are left with an empty wallet and no change, holding an empty cone with no hope of getting any ice cream.
Not very “stimulating”, eh?
87 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 1:27 pm
“Buwahahahahaha. Boy, are you in denial.”
“Oh, I forgot … IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!”
Yeah Boberinyetagain, watch that denial, will you?
Everthink?
88 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm
L@Y says:
OK, I have to admit it; that one made me chuckle.
89 upnorthlurkin // Jun 16, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Hey, Mr. Henning…..Chuckles, is back.
Darth and JQ - not sure why you or anyone wastes their breath….Little Bobby and Chuckles’ hands are in our wallets and with their superior intellect, they know better how to spend what’s rightfully ours!
Pitiful!
(Who was it again who demanded the firing of the[formerly] General Motors CEO?!) That’s not a statist….that’s a fascist.
90 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Lurch,
“A rose by any name … ”
Everthink?
91 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 2:37 pm
UpNorthLurkin says:
It’s not a waste of breath; it’s a discussion between people of different mindsets. Boberin’s not nearly as irrational as his rep around here would have us believe. He just has different deeply-held beliefs than those of us on the conservative end of the spectrum. His posts provide a counter-point for some real discussion.
Without Boberin’s input, this forum would likely be nothing more than an echo chamber of anti-liberal catchphrases, reminiscent of a high school pep rally. While I understand the camaraderie that the folks here enjoy with talk like that, I prefer real conversation that provides a rational backing for our political stances. I believe conservatism to be the more rational approach to American politics, but you wouldn’t guess it by the majority of the posts in here.
92 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 2:38 pm
“The inarguable fact is, Mr. Obama has dictated his terms with respect to privately owned companies like Chrysler.”
President Obama did not come into office and seize control of privately owned companies like Chrysler! These privately owned companies like Chrysler were going bankrupt under Republican policies.
In an effort to save the jobs of millions, and the U. S. economy in general, he “bailed them out”.
As you may recall, our “House of Cards”, was begun under the Laissez-Faire vision of your great god Ronald Reagan, which lifted many reasonable and necessary restraints from most sectors of our economy.
America’s economic car was out of control and headed into a ditch!
Personally I DID call George names, but I never wished that he fail! I was outraged by the 2000 election fiasco, I was ashamed to have an idiot embarrass our country before the world.
I did not believe that Iraq had WMD, and I believed the Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection was concocted from some of Darthmeister’s left-over road apples, but I was not really a Bush hater until about-midway through his first term.
“The whole point of liberalism is to “change” the country into something else; the whole point of conservatism is to preserve the values (moral and economic) that made our country great in the first place.”
Liberalism does not seek to lessen moral or economic freedom. It only seeks to create an environment in which that freedom can flourish freely without bigotry and prejudice, and without economic control by the few.
Everthink?
93 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Obama didn’t “bail out” Chrysler…did he? I said “what he wasn’t already stuck with” and I’m sticking by it (for now) because he’s still trying to untangle the mess he was handed.
Don’t blame the guy trying to undo years of mismanagement.
Did I blame George again? Yep…I sure did and, until hiss messes have at least been contained…I’ll continue
Even if you accuse me of it, imagine that
94 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Other
95 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 16, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Boberin,
I believe I have thouroughly trounced your arguements. I can see why you would avoid commenting for a day then launching into a totally unrelated and incomprehensible screed about celebrity pay (which most here have commonly ridiculed) and of all things-free elections?(make a conservative out of you yet)
Do you consider me beneath debate or too challenging?
Here let me give you an opportunity to challenge my argument about losing the military option on North Korea.- They did not detonate a weapon during Clintons’ Presidency. Little rope?
Deus est Semper Fidelis
(since henning-LAY is here- That is latin for “GOD is always faithful”)
96 upnorthlurkin // Jun 16, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I too am ashamed to have an idiot embarrass our country before the world!
97 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:07 pm
SGT, not “ducking” anything…which arguments did you “win”? (for the record I don’t believe anyone here or most other places will ever “win” but let’s say it’s possible for discussions sake)
But, as JQ says, we can have an “enjoyable” (stretching the definition a tad) discussion and at least get an idea where the “other side” is coming from. Many times I’ve been told here to leave and post at a liberal site and again, as JQ points out as well, there’s no “challenge” in that. They make dumb points there too (wherever “there” is) and I’ve challenged folks to find another site I post to (2, sometimes 3 bloggers that post here have their own sites, I post at them occasionally) but they are hardly “liberal” sites.
I’ve been accused of spouting the “party line” or “rhetoric” gleaned elsewhere. Again, not true. I read the newspaper and some news sources on the web but visit no place that “suggests” and agenda. I can see and make up my own mind about everything. IF some of that happens to jibe with others point of view, so be it but I’m never “parroting” anything.
Back to your question, which “argument/discussion” did you “win” and what does the line about NK not detonating a weapon while slick Willie was in charge have to do with the price of eggs in Britain pray tell? What sort of “rise” were you fishing for with that one? I could accomodate your request more easily if I caught the drift of the conversation
98 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:14 pm
L@Y says:
Really? So you wished him luck with all of his endeavors to limit abortions and stem-cell research, to fund faith-based initiatives, and to cut taxes for the wealthy?
Why would any of us wish success upon those engaging in what we feel to be harmful policy?
99 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Lurch,
“I too am ashamed to have an idiot embarrass our country before the world!”
Yes, but the world now admires you! Imagine, if you can, that you not only thought the president a complete fool and a buffoon, but the whole world agreed with you, AND wondered how you could have elected such a person to the highest office in the land!
Talk about denial!!
Everthink?
100 upnorthlurkin // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:27 pm
In your dreams, Chuckles! You just can’t be for real!! I’ve long suspected Scott (or some other clever commenter) invented you one day when he was bored….a true patriot couldn’t possibly believe anything Dumbo has done is actually good for America/Americans/our liberty.
101 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:31 pm
“Really? So you wished him luck with all of his endeavors to limit abortions and stem-cell research, to fund faith-based initiatives, and to cut taxes for the wealthy?”
NO, none of these!
I want government out of the doctor’s office and the bedroom! I want a strict separation of church and state, and I do not want to encourage greed in the hope of generosity or benevolence!
I wish President Obama the greatest success, but if he fails to vigorously pursue investigations of Bush Administration crimes, I will be greatly disappointed! I will not support his decision, but I will support his presidency.
To be a Democrat does not require “Lock-Step” or Kool-Aid Drinking! I like Olbermann, but I don’t watch him daily, and I am not an “Olber-head”, or anything like that.
Everthink?
102 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Boberin,
I seem to have overestimated your comprehension- Sorry!
LAY Henning,
That is the ultimate expression of faithfulness.
Deus est Semper Fidelis
103 SGT USMC 1ea // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Nytol
104 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:36 pm
How far apart can we possibly be?
Quite far apparently. “dumbo” is doing just fine, beginning the much needed, long overdue “world apology tour” as it’s been dubbed here.
And the majority of America approves/applauds and wiches it were not needed. But it is…
There I go blaming George again, even though I’ve been called out on such things…his missteps, intentional or not (and some seemed very calculated) cost us dearly and repair work must be done. And it will not be accomplished in 100, 200 or even 300 days but the journey has to begin…and begin it has…very nicely too.
Without gaffes/missteps of his own…no! But he “owns up” to them much more than most (from either party) and I like that most of all
105 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Lurch
“… true patriot couldn’t possibly believe anything Dumbo has done is actually good for America/Americans/our liberty.”
I agree wholeheartedly! Join boberin with me and let’s clean up Dodge!
106 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:46 pm
SGT USMC 1ea,
“LAY Henning,
That is the ultimate expression of faithfulness.”
Your first knowledge of my name comes from your contact with my son, Blacklion31u.
A contact that come as a result of your invitation to parley with him.
Your use of my name violates a trust you made with him.
Your actions are dishonorable; but I don’t think you understand that!
I believe you are a phony!
Everthink?
107 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:48 pm
SGT, perhaps you overestimated you “winning” of the discussion..
g’night
108 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 3:57 pm
L@Y says:
Wow, that was kind of like watching a puppy attack a chew toy.
You appear to have missed the point of my question; you dove headfirst into answering it the way I wanted you to, which was to admit that you wished failure on the policies of your Commander in Chief. Prior to that you stated, (and I quote, of course)
Yeah, you did. As you should have, if you felt morally opposed to his policies.
109 upnorthlurkin // Jun 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Please, oh please point out any Democrat(ic) who is not “Lock-Step” or Kool-Aid Drinking! I
!
(And I’ve never corresponded with your spawn and I knew your name.)
110 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm
JQ:
“… which was to admit that you wished failure on the policies of your Commander in Chief.”
GEORGE W. BUSH WAS NEVER MY COMMANDER-IN CHIEF!!!!
BARACK H. OBAMA IS NOT MY COMMANDER-IN CHIEF!!!!
I must have attempted to explain this to the “Goose-Steppers” here a hundred times, the president is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces, NOT the citizens!
A Commander-in-Chief is a sovereign! Americans have no sovereign!
Everthink?
111 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Lurch,
“Please, oh please point out any Democrat(ic) who is not “Lock-Step” or Kool-Aid Drinking!”
You’re watching one try to make words now!
boberin, ain’t even a Democrat, yet we seem to agree on most things!
Everthink?
112 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“Yeah, you did. As you should have, if you felt morally opposed to his policies.”
No, not morally opposed; in conflict with our Constitution!
I goota get outta here before SarcasticName shows up and gives you the lowdown on me again.
Everthink?
113 boberinyetagain // Jun 16, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I was a democrat in another life…but independent fit so much better. Had I thought it through I might have stayed a Dem cause I can’t vote in any primaries now and that isn’t good.
Then again, until this election the only winner I had voted for was Ronnie Raygun…so conclude what you like from that.
But yeah, we agree most times ET
114 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 4:59 pm
L@Y says:
Sorry; you make an excellent point.
It wasn’t really my choice of words, anyway. I was responding in kind to Boberin’s comment in post #78 that Rush Limbaugh is “paid to denigrate the CIC,” and the title stuck through subsequent posts in order to continue making the point.
My point sticks, though. There’s nothing wrong with wishing failure upon policies that we are morally opposed to. You withheld support from George’s policies; many of us withhold support from Barack’s policies.
This doesn’t mean that I don’t support Obama. I honestly believe that he has this country’s best at heart and truly believes that he’s doing what is right. I just feel that he’s misguided. He’s still our president, and I still believe that we are called to pray for him, as stated in 1 Tim. 2:1-3:
115 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 5:05 pm
L@Y:
(In light of your comment #112, let’s strip the word “morally” off of “morally opposed.” In America, being opposed to a policy on any level is grounds for not supporting it.)
116 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 16, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Fact:
President George W. Bush never endeavored to limit stem cell research.
117 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 6:01 pm
JamesonLewis3rd says:
Fact: Yes, he did. I think you’re splitting hairs, JL3.
Was he against stem cell research? No.
Did his efforts to reduce the number of embryonic stem cells used have the ultimate effect of limiting stem cell research? Yes.
It’s a somewhat moot point anyway. We’re on the same side of the debate; I was just trying to prove a point to L@Y using his (her?) own language.
118 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 6:15 pm
“Wow, that was kind of like watching a puppy attack a chew toy.” Then deciding on one of my shoes instead.
Morally? Well, there was certainly nothing moral about Dumbyah. He didn’t seem to mind lying about anything!
He lied formally when he swore to preserve, protect and defend the U. S. Constitution, and later called it a GD piece of paper. He lied about defending the United States when he failed to heed the warning of the PDB dated August 6, 2001. He lied about WMD and The the Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection, etc, etc, etc.
He lied to you too, when he made you to believe the concerns you have expressed, were anything but a wedge issue he and Rove used to try to get elected.
Now, I want hearings to find out the truth! Great Britain may have begun such hearings today.
If you find out my concerns are valid, will you continue you support of the Tin Horn?
Everthink?
119 Fred Sinclair // Jun 16, 2009 at 6:51 pm
“A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself… for the traitor appears no traitor: He speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their faces and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the souls of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is to be less feared.” ~ Cicero
Subliminal hypnosis is a far more powerful tool than anyone suspected. It has not been effectively used in this country until now. The last successful employment of it was way back in the 1930’s in Germany.
At least we can look back to the blueprint and see what we can expect over the next few years. I don’t believe it’s going to be pretty. It took Reagan about two years to undo the mess Carter created. It will probably take Palin her first six years in office to undo what she will inherit. (I don’t envy her!)
Given my age and current health, I doubt that I will still be around to witness Sarah Palins’ inauguration in 2012.
Then again it’s possible that the imminent return of Jesus may happen before then.
120 Fred Sinclair // Jun 16, 2009 at 6:55 pm
My bad: should read “inauguration in 2013″
121 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 16, 2009 at 7:04 pm
So, it’s “splitting hairs” to point out an utterly false statement with no basis in reality—typical.
~~~~~
Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. ~~~Revelation 1:3
122 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 8:37 pm
“Given my age and current health, I doubt that I will still be around to witness Sarah Palins’ inauguration in 2012.”
Not to worry Fred, no one else here will live to see Sassy Sarah’s Inauguration either.
Everthink?
123 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Fred,
“Subliminal hypnosis”?
Is there such a thing as non-subliminal hypnosis?
Watch the blue light Fred, your eyes are heavy. You are falling into a deep sleep, now say Dumbyah was a criminal … Obama is my president.
Everthink?
124 Newsman // Jun 16, 2009 at 8:55 pm
“If the fraudulent votes were deleted and his Kenyan Birth Certificate was put on public display – perhaps you too would see him for the usurper he is.”
Old stuff still being peddled by people like you Fred. Where is the evidence that will stand up in a court of law ?
Why don’t you pursue the case Fred if you are so knowledgeable ?
No, you just want to cop a plea and continue to spread garbage that you can’t back up !
BTW, are you a US Citizen Fred ? Why should I believe you ? Show me the evidence !
125 JQ // Jun 16, 2009 at 9:33 pm
JL3 says:
I’m…on…your…side.
I believe that embryonic stem cell research is bad, while research on other types of stem cells is okay. Bush was against embryonic stem cell research, and he placed executive restrictions on it; this does qualify as a restriction on stem cell research.
You’re taking my statement out of context. I was making a list of general Bush policies that I figured L@Y was against; I never figured that I’d have to defend that list against my fellow conservatives.
Geez, dude; lighten up.
126 Fred Sinclair // Jun 16, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Newsman #124 - You know, you are so funny - spouting off the same stupid silliness I might expect from a 9 year old.
Just in case you have failed to notice (oops - correction; I know some pretty sharp kids from my church, so an amendment is in order - you are so far removed from the lofty heights of a 9 year old the stupid silliness of a 5 year old is more appropriate.) I am not in contention for the office of the President. If I were, I would make my birth certificate available before entering the fray.
What is on record is a signed affidavit from his aunt who swears under oath that she was present at his birth in Kenya.
If some how you have deluded yourself into believing there were no fraudulent votes for that guy, then you know nothing of politics and are far worse off than I suspected.
Additionally if anyone goes so far as to spend a million bucks with three teams of attorneys to keep his records secret - he has a reason. Producing phony certificates of birth adds fuel to the puzzle. All of which could be resolved by producing the birth certificate.
The only thing stupider (dumber) than you silly trolls is myself for wasting my time trying to convince someone who appears to have a questionable level of intelligence. Do you also belong to the “Flat Earth Society”? It wouldn’t surprise me. (No, I am not a member of the “Flat Earth Society”)
127 Fred Sinclair // Jun 16, 2009 at 10:08 pm
L@Y #122 - my figures show that about 58% of Americans will be celebrating her Inauguration in 2013.
Otherwise why is it that the majority of Washington Demorats are scared spitless (sans saliva) of her?
Because they know that unless Senator James Inhofe (R OK) can be persuaded to run, Governor Sarah Palin is the most serious threat to their wellbeing. (Inhofe would be a catastrophic, cataclysmic ruination of all their plans)
128 JamesonLewis3rd // Jun 16, 2009 at 10:11 pm
You’re…..not…..on…..my…..side:
Repeating (knowingly, as you do here) a False Statement does not make it any less of a lie.
As an everthink/boberinyetagain sock puppet you use the same anti-Truth tactic; you ignore it.
129 Laughing@You // Jun 16, 2009 at 10:43 pm
“… my figures show that about 58% of Americans will be celebrating her Inauguration in 2013.”
Did you get that number from the same sources Dick Cheney used to get us into the war in Iraq?
Believe me old friend, nooobody, but nooobody is afraid of Sarah Palin or any other Republican for that matter.
If fact, at the current rate of collapse I’m not altogether sure the Repugs will field a champion next time. Maybe you might reconsider continuing your RINO purge for a while.
In the end there just may not be enough wing-nuts to pay for a campaign.
But, now that I think about it there is perhaps, one man, a conservative stalwart, a man everybody knows, a man who could pay the entire cost of election.
I believe you were lauding him recently; please Ol’ Misser Fox, don’t bring in Rush, I don’t think us Dimocrats could stand that!
Everthink?
130 Fred Sinclair // Jun 17, 2009 at 5:34 am
Just in… This nails it.
Footnote: FSM = http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/ - Bill Biggs
One Simple Fact That We Need To Consider
We’ve all seen the emails about Obama’s citizenship. This is a new twist I hadn’t known. Interesting.
More questions, and this time some good questions.
While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta,
and Karachi?
So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket (his own comment), suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and
Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.
It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian
step-father in 1967.
Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981
and 2008..
131 Fred Sinclair // Jun 17, 2009 at 5:45 am
You have to see this to believe it!!!
http://wearechangecoloradosprings.org/blog/?p=594
Please GOD, BLESS AMERICA, in spite of our stupidity.
132 Fred Sinclair // Jun 17, 2009 at 6:07 am
133 Fred Sinclair // Jun 17, 2009 at 8:21 am
I just saw an ad for the Nissan “Cube” - at least they didn’t call it a car or an automobile but officially it’s the “Nissan Cube Mobile Device” It looks to me like a Compact 1927 Model “A” Ford with the corners slightly rounded off.
I used to (many years ago) collect those little “Matchbox Series” Cars but I never dreamed anyone would think of putting one on the road.
They claim 28 MPG city and 30 MPG highway. I figure you might save enough in gasoline costs to pay for a down payment on the funerals for you and your family when you get run over by a kid on a Honda 125cc Motorbike. You’d better hope you’re killed, because if you should somehow survive the crash you aren’t going to feel other than rotten, as you bury your wife and kids - all because you saved a couple of bucks on your gas bill.
But a “device” is what “The One” wants you to drive and what Obama wants, Obama gets!
If I was still driving and had a family, then a Dodge 3500 diesel dually pickup truck would be my 1st choice, although a HumVee would be pretty good if I could afford one. Buick makes a nice full sized SUV that looks pretty nice. Driving a pregnant roller skate, just to make algore and his ‘greenie’ buddies happy doesn’t seem like fun to me.
Of course I’d drive a M1 Abrams Tank if I had the $$$ and could get clearance from the DMV folks. (I’d even be willing to have the cannon removed, if that would help).
134 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 8:35 am
JQ, you will (or already have) discover that JL3 is one of the “special” ones. There is literally no rational way to approach him but bless you for trying.
135 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 8:40 am
You are another of the “special” people Fred…Screw the rest of the planet, they don’t need clean air, fuel, food…not if it inconvienences you
136 Fred Sinclair // Jun 17, 2009 at 9:44 am
bya #135 - Yikes! What brought that about? You got a bee in your bonnet or what?
Cleaning up one’s language is always a good thing so in lieu of words like @#$%#! or )&(*($%^ it’s easier to just yell algore! algore! algore! when hitting the thumb with a hammer or dropping a fresh rum and Coke on the new carpet. Actually I’m hoping to live long enough to see that scam artist sent to prison for the rest of his life. In the meanwhile I’m buying all the carbon debits (from those nice folks at “Carbon Liberators”) that I possibly can.
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137 JQ // Jun 17, 2009 at 10:31 am
JL3, re#128
I wonder why you can’t get Boberin, L@Y, Newsboy, and the rest to listen to you? You’re so hyped up that you can’t even tell the difference between the sides in these debates.
The fact that I acknowledge “the other side” as human beings with some rationale doesn’t mean that I’m “one of them” (unless, of course, you’re referring to those capable of rational conversation). It’s posts like yours that make me question why I lump myself in with such contentious, immature people. Both sides tend to get immature from time to time, but at least Boberin doesn’t resort to the elementary schoolyard name calling that the rest of you tend to use.
If you’ve read my posts in the past (going back years in this forum, mind you), you know that I am diametrically opposed to most of the policies L@Y and Boberin adhere to; check your facts before engaging in friendly fire.
Maybe I’m wrong in thinking that the lines are drawn between Conservative and Liberal in this forum; perhaps it’s more Rational versus Nutjob.
138 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 10:32 am
Fred, my meaning is clear from past posts. The fact that we here in America buy and use WAY more than our fair share of everything is nothing to be proud of. Yes, I too avail myself of our good fortune regularly but I realize that it’s a path that leads straight to Hell.
The formula is pretty simple. There’s enough of everything to go around, sustain a reasonalbe life for everyone (think Amish for an excellent example). When one or more (or in our case a very large group) uses MORE than their allotment there is, by natural law, an equal and opposite effect on someone else (or some other large group). Thus the abundance of folks with far too much and the overabundance of folks with nowhere near enough.
It’s a pretty simple concept but one that seems lost on just about everyone, not just those here.
Very odd
139 Newsman // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:00 am
Again Fred, why don’t you institute a court action yourself instead of continuing with the same old line.
You could solicit donations from the many here on Scrapple who believe as you do. I am sure they would want to donate some $$ to the cause,if they truly believe as you do.
Hey JG I don’t say ‘all’ !
Boberin - I agree fully with your thoughts re #138
Sheesh, this is the second time in recent posts I have fully agreed with someone’s thoughts here on scrappleface. Witness my full agreement with Darth on the Auto union bit.
Has a bug bitten me ?
140 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:12 am
Newsman, you are rare indeed as someone that “gets it”
Most here know my thoughts on the matter but they (thoughts) are met with ridicule.
No matter, deep down everyone knows these things to be true. It merely takes a quick glance around the planet to confirm it. Heck, stay closer to home…does your town have a “rich” neighborhood and a “poor” one? Most likely…If the rich could make do with less it’d be possible for them to improve the lot of the poor.
But thats “socialism”…and everyone knows that that concept is worse than meeting the devil fact to face….
141 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:14 am
face to face…whatever
142 JQ // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:29 am
Boberin says:
It’s not socialism in and of itself that’s bad, Boberin. It’s the fact that true socialism hinges on the assumption that people are not human. True socialism would have everyone more concerned about their neighbors than themselves. There would be no poor among us because everyone would be doing their part to contribute to the health and welfare of the whole.
Sounds great, right?
How likely are we (as flawed human beings) to truly care enough about our fellow man to keep such a system working, as it must? The moment a selfish soul bent on power and control comes along, the whole system will break down. It’s just not a sustainable, plausible economic system.
Capitalism bets on man’s inherent desire to take care of himself and his family. Since it factors in that core human trait, it has been far more successful through the ages. Does it have its problems? Absolutely. But to slightly torque Churchill’s quote on democracy, “[Capitalism] is the worst form of [economy], except for all those other forms that have been tried.”
143 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:36 am
JQ, granted, one jerk can screw up the system but that fact does not diminish the fact that, as a nation, we are a huge bunch of jerks. If anything, that makes it worse…
144 JQ // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:49 am
Boberin says:
All the more reason why socialism wouldn’t work here. If “one jerk can screw up the system,” how much more hopeless would a nation full of jerks make a system based on an assumption of social utopia?
Besides, the honest fact is that people are jerks, not just Americans. We just have the freedom to “open our mouths and remove all doubt,” as they say.
145 boberinyetagain // Jun 17, 2009 at 11:57 am
No argument…we just seem to flaunt it/thumb our noses…say “screw you” more than some.
Nope, it would never work but, working towards it all the same just MIGHT make a difference to God…and the flaunting part is surely not acceptable….
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