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John McCain’s Subprime Campaign
by Scott Ott at ScottOtt.Townhall.com
The survival of Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign provides a powerful illustration of how profligate borrowing and irresponsible lending gets us in trouble.
As global financial markets continue to stagger under the burden of the subprime mortgage crisis, we learn today that Sen. McCain resuscitated his “mostly dead” White House bid ($500,000 in the red) with a massive loan involuntarily backed by the goodwill of his supporters. In November, the bank took his mailing list as collateral for a $3 million line of credit, almost all of which he blew in less than 30 days by betting on New Hampshire. As it turns out, his casino-style gamble with other people’s money (OPM) strategy worked, and he lived to spend millions more of OPM.
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116 responses so far ↓
1 Maggie // Feb 1, 2008 at 10:04 am
McCain’s Life insurance ought to cover it.
wv Mr deserted: ironically it’s Mitt Romney
2 gafisher // Feb 1, 2008 at 10:13 am
Now that’s what I’d call flushing money down the John!
3 Maggie // Feb 1, 2008 at 10:14 am
Who saw the Love-in last night? eweeee
I’m gonna step out on a limb here and predict that Hillary and Obama will be the Democrat nominees .I could be wrong, it’s just a guess :>)
4 JQ // Feb 1, 2008 at 10:40 am
If Obama won the nomination, I could see Hillary sticking it out as VP-nominee, if only for the chance that something might happen to her Commander in Chief.
On the flip side, if Hillary won the nomination, I doubt Obama would accept the VP role. I just don’t think he respects Hillary enough to serve as her second. Rather, I could see him sitting it out another four years, trying to rack up some actual experience and a voting record, then running again in 2012.
So, who would Hillary choose as her running mate? Well, hopefully McCain will be available…
(That’s not as funny as it sounds; here in Montana, our Democratic governor ran with a Republican running mate, which turned out to be a deadly combination.)
5 nylecoj // Feb 1, 2008 at 10:48 am
JQ
something would definitely happen to her Commander in Chief.
Honestly I can’t see him offering and I can’t see her accepting. She would find that beneath her.
I hope this does not come out in bold type the way it shows in the preview.
6 da Bunny // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:02 am
The “subprime” campaign of a “past-his-prime” candidate who is “bankrupting” the Republican party of it’s conservative base…anyone else here feeling “broke?”
7 camojack // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:02 am
Sub-prime candidate…
Supposedly, McCain is a fiscal conservative. Supposedly. I can’t say that I disagree with his recently stated reasons of opposing tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts, but he was apparently giving a somewhat different reason for his opposition at the time…
8 da Bunny // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:06 am
Mornin’, camo.
9 Fred Sinclair // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:07 am
Always committed to voting my conscious, Mr. Ron Paul is looking better and better. Actually with Hunter and Thompson out I’m starting wonder if Tom Tancredo is still running? Does anybody know for sure?
If he is still in the race, then the reason I haven’t heard the MSM mention his name for a couple of weeks. could be due to his being the fly in the jar of “Amnesty Ointment”. He represents a serious threat to the Dem’s willingness to go to the mat to fight for their plan to morph their beloved illegals into nicely obedient legal Democrat Voters.
Heirborn Ranger
WV - Craw candidates = Clinton, Obama & McCain
10 da Bunny // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:10 am
Sadly, Fred, Tancredo dropped out before Duncan Hunter did.
11 camojack // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:10 am
da Bunny:06 am
Mornin’, dear. Almost afternoon here…I’m goin’ to bed.
Good thing I’m not working tonight…
12 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:26 am
Of the last ten or so presidential elections, IMO the right VP choice will determine the outcome. None of the candidates on either side of the aisle have truly distinguished themselves as prime presidential material and it could be this time around voters, particularly swing voters, will be viewing the presidency as a package deal. Barking moonbat Donks would still vote for either Obama or sHrillary in November even if they were to blow up a school house full of children, so there’s no use even trying to “reach out” to these brain-dead lemmings searching for their next touch-feely, groupie president.
McCain would be making a huge mistake if he were to, for instance, have either Guiliani or Huckabee as VP - having chosen them for conventional but very wrong reasons. Most mainstream conservatives are leery of Huckabee even though he’s an Evangelical candidate and Guiliani would only be reinforcing McCain’s appeal to blue-blood Republicans and RINOs and not the conservative base.
A McCain/Thompson ticket would have more legs and appeal to not only the Republican base but also to Democrat conservatives and moderate swing voters, particularly if they are running against a very liberal ticket of Obama/Edwards, Obama/Clinton, or Clinton/Obama. It could be why Thompson dropped out so early, to make himself well-positioned choice since he won’t be burning bridges attacking either McCain or Romney in the coming days.
Surely there are other legitimate conservative VP candidates like Duncan Hunter or Brownback that would make a very strong Republican ticket against a very liberal Democrat ticket in November. At least it won’t be a debacle like Bob Dole, another blue-blood Republican choice who was repudiated at the polls. The “it’s-his-turn” dynamic simply doesn’t fly with the issue-oriented Republican base and I hope both McCain and Romeny understand that and make a informed decision in choosing the right VP candidate.
Obama is the most liberal Senator in the U.S. Senate and Hillary is the 12th most liberal according to their voting record. What the Dems need is a conservative like Senators Breaux or Zell Miller to balance the radical liberalism of Obama and sHrillary.
Michael Medved gives an impassioned defense of John McCain at Townhall.com. Though there is some level of spin/damage control going on, I think Medved does a pretty decent job of demonstrating how some of the more staunch conservatives in the Republican party have unfairly marked Mr. McCain as an unfaithful Republican. It’s true he’s no dyed-in-the-wool Christian conservative, and he never claimed to be one, but he isn’t the dissembling political gadfly that Rush and others sometimes paints him as being. McCain is faithful to his own core values despite how politically repugnant they may be to true conservatives. But really, what could be more conservative than cutting taxes AND cutting spending and then not supporting a policy which simply cuts taxes … though inarguably such a cut alone did appear to stimulate the economy and people’s financial attitudes thus creating more government revenue as did happen under tax-cutting Kennedy and Reagan? It’s possible for people to have the same goals but use different means to acheive them, particularly among honorable people (which would exclude most liberal Democrats).
13 da Bunny // Feb 1, 2008 at 12:02 pm
“McVain”…as in arrogant lib, posing as a Republican.
14 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 1, 2008 at 12:07 pm
The conservative base won’t find John McCain appealing even if he chooses Ann Coulter as his running mate.
15 upnorthlurkin // Feb 1, 2008 at 12:10 pm
His excuse for opposing the Bush tax cuts are what send up the red flag for me….”they benefit the wealthy” is nothing but class evny lib speak!
Cutting spending is always a good thing (as if that’s ever happened!) but since history tells us tax cuts always result in more revenue flowing to government coffers, the spending cuts are not a necessary trade off!
16 upnorthlurkin // Feb 1, 2008 at 12:11 pm
class evny is that covet thing we’re not supposed to do in the 10 commandments….sometimes it’s spelled e-n-v-y…
17 Maggie // Feb 1, 2008 at 12:32 pm
UpNorth,
The McCain /Feingold(sp?) Bill is what decided it for me.
18 RedPepper // Feb 1, 2008 at 12:59 pm
upnorth, Maggie: But there are so many golden oldies to choose from! And don’t forget his more recent hits: the amnesty bill, criticism of Gitmo (& “torture”), and his “global warming” bill with Senator Lieberman. Not to mention his disingenuous late hit on Romney over Iraq “timetables”. I’d keep going, but my stomach’s turning …
19 da Bunny // Feb 1, 2008 at 1:11 pm
McCain-Feingold - a 1st Amendment violation
McCain-Lieberman - a “global warming” farce
McCain-Kennedy - teaming up with a buffoon, and the rest of the “Gang of 14″ to give law-breakers a reward for being here illegally.
McCain sucking up to J F’n K to try to get the dhimmi’s VP nod in ‘04.
Lying about his own record, lying about Romney’s positions, stabbing conservatives in the back every chance he gets…McVain the ego-maniac is a phony willing to do/say anything to get the power he so arrogantly and desperately craves!
20 gafisher // Feb 1, 2008 at 1:36 pm
DbM Re#14: That appears pretty unlikely …
21 Libby Gone // Feb 1, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I honestly don’t trust Citizen McCain any farther than I could slide down a snowhill with him.
22 gafisher // Feb 1, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Darth Re#12: “But really, what could be more conservative than cutting taxes AND cutting spending and then not supporting a policy which simply cuts taxes ?”
That’s how McCain tells it, but he’s on the record opposing tax cuts with purely class-warfare arguments, including some which put him to the left of Katie Couric (the Anti-Ann Coulter).
wv = “with Ronney” — where McCain isn’t.
(Can these REALLY be random?
)
23 boberinyetagain // Feb 1, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Libby….”Rosebud”???
wv: there artic…reminds me of Young Frankenstein wherein Gene says “werewolf”? and marty replies…”there wolf” and since there are wolves in the artic (I think) then it follows that…Danged, I lost it
24 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Can anyone name for me a big-name, viable conservative that could carry the Republican banner into the White House this November?
It seems to me that Brownback, Hunter, and Thompson simply didn’t excite enough Republicans and independent voters to be viable this fall. Is there another big-time conservative that the Republican establishment is suppressing that I don’t know about?
I think the primaries to date have been speaking quite eloquently and its pretty clear that either Romney or McCain will be the Republican standard bearer. Rail against it all you want, that’s simply a fact of life this time around. Some of us have to quit pouting and stamping our feet and come to terms with the hand we’ve been dealt. When handed a lemon, make lemonade.
Voting for Hillary (as Ann Coulter suggested she would do) just to “teach America a lesson” may be good for a few laughs, but is that what we really want to do, throw the elections to some empty suit Donk because our candidate isn’t conservative enough? Yeah, McCain has some very real problems from a conservative point of view, let’s hope the ruckus we put up now would enlighten him sufficiently enough to begin embracing more conservative policies. Yeah, McCain’s support for global warming initiatives is half-baked stupid, his ignorant rhetoric about tax cuts for the rich was even more stupid, but hopefully in the next seven months McCain is willing to drift further right because of our principled support.
Another fact of life is this, the next POTUS will in all liklihood be nominating at least two people to SCOTUS to fill vacancies over the next four to eight years. Does anyone here want either sHrillary or Osama Obama having the honor, thus straddling this nation with two whacked out left-wing nutjobs worst than Ruth Bader Ginsberg? Well that would certainly teach America a lesson, won’t it?
“Better are the arrows of your friends than the kisses of your enemies.” Let’s redirect our energies to working within the Republican party to shore up support for whomever our candidate happens to be in August while continuing holding that candidate’s feet to the fire by reminding them there in fact is a Republican party conservative base that must be recognized and respected. Otherwise the alternative is a little too scary to contemplate, life under a socialist Democratic presidential nutjob.
25 everthink // Feb 1, 2008 at 3:17 pm
“Hang me just as high as you please, Brer Fox, says Brer Rabbit, says he, “but for the Lord’s sake, don’t fling me in
that(Mitt’s) briar patch,”26 boberinyetagain // Feb 1, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Hank, just nominate Rush and be done with it already
wv: berlin lubash? my mind goes blank
27 Fred Sinclair // Feb 1, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Exempting myself (being as modest as I am) On the overall (and of course also exempting any and all Trolls) Scrapplers are head and shoulders ahead of the general population, where basic, fundamental intelligence is concerned.
Therefore, and with that fact in mind, here is a puzzler only very keen, reasoning minds can reason out.
What is the most often printed phrase in the history of printing?
A hint: It is not “In God We Trust”
Heirborn Ranger
WV - chewing Sharpe = What the Sgt. was doing when shouting at Pvt. Sharpe
28 everthink // Feb 1, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Is it, “Right-Wing Loonies”?
29 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 4:52 pm
bober, you still don’t get it. Rush doesn’t aspire to becoming president because it would be a cut in pay. And even if he were to run I wouldn’t vote for him. He’d be too much of a lightning rod for the Donks who are always on the warpath anyway. Get real.
neverthink, did your parents abandon you shortly after birth and were you then adopted by a family of skunks? It sure smells that way every time you vomit your hairball here.
Hey, what’s going on in Kenya? I thought the Mr. “International Peacemaker” Obama put the word on them to make nice and thus peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars? Oooh, I bet the vast rightwing conspiracy is stirring up unrest in Kenya just to make Obama look bad! Silly me.
At least sHrillary isn’t stupid enough to demand the Sudanese jangaweed militants to lay down their arms as proof of her foreign policy prowess. If Obama gets the nod as a result of the Democrats’ demented moonbat fringe, the Republicans need to shove this “foreign policy experience” down his throat all the way to November.
BTW, what’s a “Terayama”?
30 gafisher // Feb 1, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Fred, “Made in China” has to be at or near the top these days.
wv = “to-night Vermont” — Howard Dean after the meltdown.
31 everthink // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:04 pm
“neverthink, did your parents abandon you shortly after birth and were you then adopted by a family of skunks? It sure smells that way every time you vomit your hairball here.”
Now see, that was sorta cute; and it had more substance than your other posts.
Be sure to keep on your meds, won’t you.
ET
32 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:07 pm
33 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:17 pm
BTW, has anyone else here noticed the following pattern.
When ever some prominent, braindead Democrat makes noise about “pulling out the troops from Iraq”, the terrorists obligingly blow up innocent civilians the next day in spectacular fashion? Just last night Osama Obama made it clear to his left-wingnut followers that if he were president the first thing he would do is “bring the troops home.” And like clockwork terrorists use two Downs Syndrome women as remote bombs to kill 72 fellow Muslims in Iraq. And it’s not just in Iraq or Afghanistan. They blow them up in Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Turkey, and Tunisia (places where we have no troops, btw)
Hmmmm, devout Muslim fundamentalists demonstrating once again how Islam is “the religion of
peacepieces.” Proving once again the Muslims most devoted to the Koran are making a real difference in the world one innocent person at a time … okay, sometimes its in groups of twenty, fifty or a hundred. BTW, where’s the outrage from the “moderate” Muslim community when their Muslim cousins blow up other innocent Muslims. Has it become so ordinary to them they no longer care … oh wait, that’s right … IT’S THE CRUSADER BUSH’S FAULT!34 everthink // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Fred,
You have the right party affiliation!
“satan (R-Hell)”
That’s in certainly in keeping with my demographic chart, and Neo-Cons make up the largest block of his constituency.
ET
35 gafisher // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Darth, a Terayama is a book, play or film by the Japanese director of the same name. He was an outspoken opponent of formal education and fairly famous for a string of works from the late hippie era called “Throw Away Your Books, Run to the Streets!”
I’m more of a Kurosawa fan myself.
36 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I guess you would know something about meds … and escaping from those white coats with straps, too. Just how do you do that so regularly?
37 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:25 pm
gafisher,
Actually the school of Kawasaki has always had more appeal to me. Burn rubber or die you American pig dog!
One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen was this one particular Japanese Elvis impersonator from about fifteen years ago. I’ll see if YouTube has the videoclip.
38 gafisher // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Re#36: Straightjackets can only hold something of substance, Darth, not gas.
39 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Imagine this from factcheck.org. It appears they saw the Democratic “debate” as a lovefest, too. Hmmm, and it appears the two Donks were a little less than truthful (hand to mouth). Imagine that! Say it ain’t so … they’re lying already? Gee, the least they could do was wait until a few months before the election in November.
Gas? Swamp gas I’d say given the source.
40 Darthmeister // Feb 1, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Hey, Scott, Houston we have a problem. The last link fritzed up. Is there anyway to fix the problem? This link from factcheck.org was suppose to go there.
41 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 1, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Sulfur.
42 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 1, 2008 at 6:22 pm
“Otherwise the alternative is a little too scary to contemplate … â€
Yes, sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils.
Then again, because you have two different evils to choose between is no guarantee that one is “lesser”.
Sometimes, they’re just different.
43 Fred Sinclair // Feb 1, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Darthmeister - Terayama is a filler word for poets - it rhymes with Obama and Osama.
gafisher - you’re close, “Made in China” has to be near the top, but the real winner is “Close cover before striking”
e.t. #34 ?????????????????do you have any idea what you’re talking about? I haven’t a clue.
Heirborn Ranger
44 Effeminem // Feb 1, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Enemies’ kisses are often a waste
but oft are they found to be to James Bond’s taste
If we could cut Education, so says Terayama,
I’d vote for that paen of terror, Obama?
Doesn’t work for me.
45 everthink // Feb 1, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Fred,
You said in 32:
Satan (R-Hell)
I took that to mean he was a Republican from hell. I was agreeing with you about his party affiliation.
ET
46 everthink // Feb 1, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Sorry Fred,
It a was JL3 who posted the statement in 32. Right church, wrong pew. Would you care to join us that agreement?
ET
47 Fred Sinclair // Feb 1, 2008 at 11:50 pm
e.t. I’m certainly not Sen. Joe McCarthy, one of America’s truly great heros. To fight him the forces of evil made fun of him, ridiculed him, with the able assistance of the MSM did everything satanically possible to discredit him. “Poor old Joe, he’s finding communists hiding behind every bush.”
I don’t have to look behind ‘bushs’ only behind “The Bush” to find all the Commies still in Government (and their children) plus uncountable kids of ‘moles’ in place back then, the Government is so riddled with them, doing everything to bring America (and Bush) to the knees.
Their numbers in Congress are beyond counting. some claim that they aren’t Communists thinking that we will miss the fact that it’s only a matter of word play. Communists/Socialists - Socialist/Communist - Six of one, a half dozen of the other.
They’re trying to turn the tables on us. Reagan simply outspent the USSR finally forcing them into virtual bankruptcy as they struggled to keep up. The senate’s about 50% Dems and I’m sure there’s 4 or 5 who aren’t flaming, card carrying Commies.
Of the dozen or so RINOS there’s sure to be a couple or three that aren’t. Fellow travelers at best.
Bridges to nowhere? thousands of ‘earmarks? Govt. mandated Sub-Prime housing loans? The dollar falling against the Euro and other currencies? Forcing America into a financial crisis, so they can step in with a virtual coup de etat’ as they valiantly come to the rescue and pick up the pieces.
Heirborn Ranger
48 everthink // Feb 2, 2008 at 1:28 am
Fred,
Thank you for addressing me as you have. I expect it is unlikely we will agree, but please help me to understand your view.
When you say “card carrying Commies”, is that a figure of speech, or are there literally cards being issued?
ET
49 onlineanalyst // Feb 2, 2008 at 6:56 am
Michelle Malkin has a thread citing McCain’s boast that voters should look at the company he keeps. John, that list of Democrats, liberals, and open-border supporters whose friendships and alliances you have cultivated over the years is exactly why you will never have the vote of any conservative Republican. You are more at home sleeping with the enemy and selling out the base out of pure vindictiveness and petty irascibility.
Mitt Romney has the endorsement of Andy McCarthy, a jurist who successfully prosecuted the 1993 jihadists, and that superb support clinches my vote for Romney.
I also prefer a candidate who understands basic economics. John McCain, you are assuredly no Milton Friedman. As a matter of fact, I believe that I could cream you in a game of Monopoly®.
WV: Pole sisters — what my mother and her siblings are
50 gafisher // Feb 2, 2008 at 7:33 am
Fred Re#43: ‘… but the real winner is “Close cover before striking‑
OK, Fred, you win this match. I was looking in the wrong books.
Now you’ve got me wondering — how badly has the left’s relentless oppression of fuminary rights harmed the world’s downtrodden producers of matches and lighters? Does the concomitant rise in the popularity of incense and scented candles indicate some sort of Luciferous pact has been struck?
51 gafisher // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:01 am
ola Re#49: “… McCain’s boast that voters should look at the company he keeps.”
A picture is worth a thousand words. Sad to say, a candidate’s history is an even better indicator of where he (or she) stands. There’s no Reagan in this race, but there is one top-tier candidate who most closely represents Reagan’s and historically Conservative values.
52 Darthmeister // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:07 am
… not to mention depressing Cuba’s #1 industry … tobacco. A rather curious development on the part of the do-gooder liberal who wants to run everyone else’s life, but then completely understandable when one considers liberals are hopelessly and blindly entrenched in their mommy fascism.
Here’s a short synopsis of Jonah Goldberg’s new book, “Liberal Fascism”, that is on the NYT Best Seller’s list:
Liberal Fascism offers a startling new perspective on the theories and practices that define fascist politics. Replacing conveniently manufactured myths with surprising and enlightening research, Jonah Goldberg reminds us that the original fascists were really on the left, and that liberals from Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Hillary Clinton have advocated policies and principles remarkably similar to those of Hitler’s National Socialism and Mussolini’s Fascism.
Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialismâ€). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament. In Germany, fascism appeared as genocidal racist nationalism. In America, it took a “friendlier,†more liberal form. The modern heirs of this “friendly fascist†tradition include the New York Times, the Democratic Party, the Ivy League professoriate, and the liberals of Hollywood. The quintessential Liberal Fascist isn’t an SS storm trooper; it is a female grade school teacher with an education degree from Brown or Swarthmore.
It’s like I’ve been saying the last five years here at Scrappleface, it’s the liberals who are the true fascists, not conservatives trying to conserve American founding values. But that’s the typical MO of fascist liberal socialists, pre-emptive accusation. For years they’ve accuse conservatives of being Nazi fascists in order to erect a smoke screen to hide the very real fact that it is really they who are fascist in nature.
For example, the left doesn’t support the homosexual movement because of any great love they have for homosexuals, it’s because by supporting homosexual radicalism they are sticking a finger in the eyes of traditional Americans and destroying yet another vestige of Western Civilization. And now they are erecting laws which will metaphorically drag us into the homosexual bedroom and make us applaud - all in the name of “normalizing” a high-risk lifestyle which is ananthema to the traditional family structure and civil society.
The same goes for so-called “hate crime” legislation which elevates the worth of one person’s life over another’s, politically correct speech codes (more proof of liberal thought control), affirmative action, and confiscatory taxes to support the left’s welfare state … all enforced or soon to be enforced by threat of jail time if one fails to pay homage to this leftist agenda. Now that’s pure, unadulterated fascism.
53 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:13 am
Though in a different form, these “factories” exist yet today in cities throughout the world. Here, in the USA, they are the Adult Rehabilitation Centers with their associated Thrift Stores and I believe William Booth would essentially approve of the way this particular experiment of his evolved.
How many lives have been transformed and renewed through the work of the Holy Spirit via The Salvation Army’s ARCs? I don’t know, but do I know of at least one.
Thank You, Jesus
54 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:17 am
*but I do know
55 onlineanalyst // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:32 am
gafisher: Mike Huckabee is the Ross Perot spoiler who will assure that McCain in the Republican nominee.
He has neither fiscal nor foreign policy credentials or capability to put him in a position of leading the country.
Mitt Romney lives fundamentally sound family and moral values. Unlike Mike Huckabee, Romney has not demonstrated by word or deed the imposition of his faith into the election or his intended governance. I abhor Huckabee’s folksy snark; his “wit” has no appeal to me. His pandering to populism is as bad as Edwards’s was.
56 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 2, 2008 at 9:51 am
This article at Power Line (and its accompanying links) are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. This “iceberg” is indicative of what fuels (motivates) the Hill & Bill Show-wheeler-dealers par excellence-money and power ad infinitum; to infer otherwise is illogical, in my opinion, and scary.
Obama’s motivations are more than suspect, as well, considering his dubious (nefarious) affiliations.
Now we get to my hypothetical proposition in a previous comment:
Do I vote for the minions of satan (D-AR or D-IL) or, hypothetically, for satan (R-Hell) himself? Am I morally bound to choose in such a case?
Thank you
57 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 2, 2008 at 9:55 am
That is, morally bound to choose between those two options ONLY. There is, obviously, a third choice but that doesn’t come into play until the previous questions are resolved.
58 upnorthlurkin // Feb 2, 2008 at 10:00 am
Having been a poll worker for the past 15 years, I will reming all of you there is always the write-in option when voting! It drives us crazy at poll closing time because write-ins have to be counted manually. If sending a message is our goal (as conservatives) then I believe a write-in (or a grass roots third party effort) is a much better message than staying home….
59 conserve-a-tips // Feb 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Thank you for reminding us UpNorth! I will be doing that for sure.
On the road to HotLanta - I hope anyway - cuz we left teen temps and wind sweeping down the plain!! Aren’t laptops cool? Who’d a thought that you could be driving in your car and conversing with conservatives across the country!
60 Fred Sinclair // Feb 2, 2008 at 4:19 pm
e.t. #48 In the fifties there was a tv program - “The FBI In Peace and War” I was in high school in the early fifties and I recall that the FBI had censure rights on the program and it was touted as being factual and OK’ed by J. Edgar Hoover himself.
They would dig cards out of the ‘bad guys’ wallet with the comment “Yeah, he’s a card carrier all right.” They would round up and arrest the members of a Commie cell with the comment, “They all had their cards with them.”
Those without cards were called “Fellow Travelers” or “Commie sympathizers”
So although I never actually saw a card, it seemed (and from other sources also) to be comon knowledge that there actually was an ID card for cell members.
Some years ago, “I Lead Three Lives” was a TV program whose popularity was no doubt enhanced by Cold War mentality. In the program, Richard Philbrick led the lives of (1) an ordinary citizen, (2) a spy, and (3) a counterspy. The viewer was at once awed and terrified by these three “lives” and with the problematic of how each was a necessary aspect of Philbrick’s mission.
They were always checking each others card’s to try and identify infiltrators.
Heirborn Ranger
61 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 2, 2008 at 4:30 pm
As they once said, “It’s not too late for Landon !â€
Or, as James Farley put it, “As Maine goes, so goes Vermont.â€
62 Fred Sinclair // Feb 2, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Seems there’s some pretty sound reverse reasoning on McCain. Ann Coulter has already said that if McCain gets the RNC’s nod, she will campaign for HillBilly.
If McCain’s president the Congressional Republicans may vote with him (a horror) while if She is President they’ll vote against her and actually be very effective in blocking her wishes.
An excerpt from her latest article:
“That helps, but why would any Republican vote for McCain?
At least under President Hillary, Republicans in Congress would know that they’re supposed to fight back. When President McCain proposes the same ideas — tax hikes, liberal judges and Social Security for illegals — Republicans in Congress will support “our” president — just as they supported, if only briefly, Bush’s great ideas on amnesty and Harriet Miers.”
Heirborn Ranger
63 mindknumbed kid // Feb 2, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I was sitting here thinking about Ann Coulter’s promise to campaign for the shrill one and I do think I would love to see it. Is there a person that is more hated by the liberals ? I think she is actually more hated by the left than Rush is, so imagine the same Ann while still telling it like it is about the lefties telling everyone to vote for sHrillary. If this comes to pass it will give us something to have a little fun with this election season, otherwise it looks to be a long dark trip down a bumpy road to nowhere.
upnorthlurkin has a great idea there, could real conservatives organize a substantial write-in movement for Fred and Duncan that would really upset the apple cart ? I’m not saying to just make it difficult for election workers and the MSM that is trying to sound so knowledgeable on election night, but to actually knock off the coronated “leaders” of the ‘08 election show
64 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 2, 2008 at 5:36 pm
On the issue of “electabilityâ€:
McCain’s polls vs. Hillary may look good right now, but ask Rudy Giuliani about the worth of polls taken months before the vote.
The exact quote escapes me but it was along these lines; “Given a choice between a liberal Democrat and a Republican who acts like one, the voters will choose the real thing every time.â€
65 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 2, 2008 at 5:50 pm
[sigh] I guess I better get started stowing the canned goods and the survival gear and a few thousand gallons of gasoline and…..
66 Shelly // Feb 2, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Hello, all! Haven’t been around for a while, life was too hectic to follow posts and comments, but it’s good to be back among friends.
I heard the man who recently released a movie about SHrillary on Bortz yesterday. He can release the movie but he can’t do any advertising for it thanks to McLame-Feingold. Ironic, coming from one of our most verbally abusive Senators.
67 conserve-a-tips // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Heh Shelly! Long time no hear.
Yep, isn’t it interesting that McCain is violating his own “election ethics” just days before an election. Hmmm.
Still on the road. Whew. What a long day in the car. Getting close to Tupelo. Shuffle off to Tupeloooooo….oh….Buffalo? Who’d wanna go there?? Nevermind.
wv: or Howe: would you get there from here, anyway??
68 everthink // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Fred,
Fred,
I remember “I Lead Three Livesâ€, I think you mean Herb Philbrick; I don’t remember anyone carrying a card though. If they had, the FBI could have just gotten a Search Warrant and said: “hand me your walletâ€, then they wouldn’t have needed Philbrick, would they?
Hasn’t J. Edgar Hoover’s relationship with Clyde Tolson, among other things, has tarnished his reputation, and that of the bureau?
ET
69 everthink // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Sorry Fred,
No effect intended, just a faulty over-paste.
70 mindknumbed kid // Feb 2, 2008 at 8:45 pm
It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to compare the stated positions of the leading contenders from the two parties, match them up with what the Word of God says and see which party’s candidates line up with Jesus Christ and which one lines up with Satan.
If you aren’t smart enough to be able to figure that out, perhaps you ought to reconsider things before hitting that “submit” button.
Not saying that “R” party is necessarily Christian, but for the most part it has enough respect for God to not attack his laws of morality. It may not be too Christian of me , but I am anxious to see some people when they go face to face with God. The day will come….
71 Fred Sinclair // Feb 2, 2008 at 10:24 pm
We won’t be voting for the best candidate in November but given the total failure of the RNC to offer a best candidate we will be left with the option of voting for whoever we believe to be the least worse. Since a vote for McCain is an automatic vote for his amnesty program with concurrent citizenship for the 10 - 20 million illegals that will be affected.
I’m curious as to how big the payoff is to create in him such a drive for their citizenship?
Heirborn Ranger
72 Fred Sinclair // Feb 3, 2008 at 1:59 am
JL3 #65 in addition may I add and though my contribution is not awe inspiring, thrilling or earthshaking but it is a vital and all too often overlooked. When all is said and done, I could perhaps have an Abrams Battle Tank and a roomful of RPGs & M-14’s but without water I can still get dead. Personally I’m
70 years old and in a wheelchair 24/7. I use Clorox (chlorine bleach) to clean (especially my bathroom) so I use a goodly amount of the stuff. In the military, we were given a little bottle of
chlorine tablets to purify water. One tiny tablet would purify the water in a one quart canteen. I have in the back of my closet a store of emergency water (20 Clorox jugs)
When a gal. of bleach is empty, there is just exactly the right amount of the bleach adhering to the inside to purify the water if it’s filled and tightly capped. Instead of BUYING (yes, I’m a
Scotsman) emergency water, I fill the gallon jug and with a felt tip marker I letter on, “DRINKING WATER - Good thru 2035″ the bleach doesn’t hurt the taste much, though many of the troops would add some lemonade flavored ‘Kool Aid’ (no sugar) to their canteen,
before drinking.
Personally I also maintain a large cache of food because without it, if I get snowed in (like in 1978) I would not be very secure.
Heirborn Ranger
73 Darthmeister // Feb 3, 2008 at 7:46 am
When we show our posterity just how “principled” we are when we snarkily engage in a “write-in” vote campaign … just whose name will we be writing in? Chuck Norris’? He certainly has uber-conservative credentials. Come on!
It is inescapable, and no amount of high-minded talk about “conservative principles” blah, blah, blah can obscure a greater principle involved here, a non-vote for the Republican candidate is a straight out vote for either Obama or sHrillary. I can’t tell you how many Perot voters have lamented to me over the years of “wasting their vote” and allowing Bill Clinton to become POTUS on the strength of a 43% of the popular vote.
We may as well send out engraved invitations to the rest of America to watch the coronation of two left-wing kook justices to the Supreme Court further down the road. These two will possibly serve on the Court for the rest of our lifetimes.
Being the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate, does anyone else of a clue as to just whom Mr. Obama will be appointing as a SCOTUS judge? sHrillary could appoint her own husband! Think about that one. Is that what we really want?
Now just how will we justify our “principles” to our grandchildren when we, through our high-minded voter inaction, empower an outright left-wing President and an activist Supreme Court the next eight or possibly sixteen years to turn this country into yet another a socialist hellhole?
Unfortunately our grandchildren and their children may end up finding out there really isn’t much difference between the smothering mommy fascism of the Democratic Party and the daddy fascism of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NAZIS).
Yeah, it would be great to “teach America a lesson” by allowing socialist kooks wreck our economy, make the American people groan under more layers of politically correct insanity, and see terrorist triumphalism rise because of a Democratic victory in November. You know this is what will happen. Before the radical left get their utopia, they first have to destroy the last vestiges of traditional Americanism and its military might. I don’t think John McCain would ever go down that road like a sHrillary or Obama would. McCain’s political nature would make him a maverick roadblock whereas Obama and Hillary would be enthusiastic pavers of that wide road to Hell.
There’s a higher principle involved here and it isn’t sitting out the elections or writing in a completely non-viable candidate name just to assuage some “conscience” we’ve ginned up to make ourselves FEEL better about our political plight this time around. And don’t you know in that process one will have become more like a liberal, whining about not getting ones way and being a victim of the Republican establishment! Not me. THINK!
74 mindknumbed kid // Feb 3, 2008 at 8:54 am
I dont see much difference in any of them. But if McVain is the nominee I will vote for him. It is the only chance we have for making progress with the Supreme Court, however, I expect that he will also disappoint us there too. I believe he will join the Gorites in greening the nation to death. I live in coal country, it appears as though coal is a big enemy to the planet.
We apparently have lost the Global Warming movement, we can and do win debates, but in public opinion we are the bunch of kooks that are dangerous to the planet.Look for things to get worse, not better. It seems as though the duped and ignorant voters outnumber us 2:1, and in the general population 15:1 or more. The MSM and educational institutions have done a good job of taking us out, replacing God with any and all religions that lead down that wide road to destruction.
75 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 3, 2008 at 9:04 am
My “higher principle” is Almighty God and not the Republican Party, thank you.
76 Darthmeister // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:08 am
And Almighty God knows we live in a broken world and have to struggle with our conscience to vote for candidates who don’t even come close to holding a candle to Jesus Christ. Whether you like it or not, EVERY person we vote for is a depraved sinner blinded by pride and the lies of a world run by the likes of Lucifer himself. Like I’ve said, we aren’t voting for a pope. All politics require a certain amount compromise. Not even Reagan was the perfect conservative candidate.
If you examine the political record of both Bush 43 and John McCain, you probably wouldn’t find much difference between the two, yet most of us didn’t have much problem voting for President Bush TWO TIMES. I bet even if we knew up front Bush 43 would sign on to the McCain-Feingold abomination, hand education reform over to that drunken murderer Ted Kennedy (D-Moon), and politically vascillate on securing the borders and say there must be some sort of amnesty for illegals already in the country “because we can’t deport them all” blah, blah, blah, we would all would have voted for him over al Gore. And after having said all that, Bush 43 was much more conservative than Bush 41 … and who here voted for Bush 41? Sure we might have been blinded a little bit by the conservative legacy of Ronaldus Magnus when some of us here voted for Bush 41 in 1988 and 1992, but we did it anyway for the sake of the country. And what did you Perot voters give us? Eight years of Clinton kicking the terrorist can down the road and taking credit for the economy when he had nothing to do with it because he was smart enough to keep his hands off the second act of Reagan economic revival which was so powerful it overcame a mild year-long recession in 1992.
The difference between the Bush 43 and McCain is the latter already has the reputation of being a maverick tweaking Republican conservatives. When it comes to domestic policies I’m convinced McCain can’t possibly be any more disasterous than Bush 43 and his stupid “can’t-we-all-get-along new tone” which played kissy-face with congressional Libs. Fortunately W wised up these last two years after being villified and demonized by Donk moonbats who now represent the mainstream of that party. Unfortunately it may prove to be too little too late. But having said that, it would have been far worse under eight years of al Gore AND WE ALL KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE … a verifiable nutcase given his new allegiance to the cult of Global Warmism.
An argument can be made that McCain will only lead this nation more slowly to its eventual shipwreck on the shoals of liberalism … well I’m all for that if it gives us more time to right the ship of state and consign the liberal commies to the ashheap of history. Let the games begin!
77 Darthmeister // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:53 am
When I think about it, some Christian conservatives make the mistake of believing voting is like taking communion or swearing an oath of fealty. It’s neither. Even if we were to vote for the “wrong” candidate, our ultimate allegiance, I would hope, would still be to the King of Kings. I would hope that would be true even if we were to vote for the “right” candidate.
The inarguable fact is, we have been voting and will soon be voting for a less than perfect candidate. We are merely voting for a candidate who MOST CLOSELY approximates our political views. I bet there were some very hard-core “conservatives” who refused to vote for Ronald Reagan because he wasn’t conservative enough … or they believed it really didn’t matter who was President of this country. Why else do tens of millions of evangelical conservatives of voting age sit on their plump, self-righteous arses election year after year after year after year?
I think there is little question here at Scrappleface that both Obama and sHrillary are lightyears away from representing our views or the necessary interests of this sovereign nation. And it would be imminently unfair to equate McCain’s politics with these far-left liberal demagogues though he certainly bears watching. Let’s hope and pray if elected, he will at least rule from the middle, just like the very liberal Bill Clinton was forced to do when he was president. I think becoming President, at least with honest men, has a way of sobering them up as to their responsibility to the country.
Thank God we do have a democratic choice between dissimilar candidates and not simply a rubberstamp to validate a king or queen merely chosen by birthright. May God continue to bless this nation in the coming months.
78 Darthmeister // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:53 am
… push
79 conserve-a-tips // Feb 3, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Darthmeister, I know what you are saying, but I have to share with you an experience that we had last night.
We rolled into our hotel which was a Days Inn, not too great, but pet friendly. The hubby was none too thrilled at the quality of the hotel, but when he went into the lobby, a little lady from India was sitting in there with an open Bible. She didn’t charge us for the dog, though the website shows a charge and so we gathered our stuff and went to our room. On the table in the room, was a Bible open to Nehemia 8 & 9, the account of the Israelites hearing the reading of the law that they had forgotten for so many years and their reaction. And then we read the Proverbs chapter corresponding to today which included: “Have no fear of sudden disaster or of the destruction that overtakes the wicked, for your confidence is in the Lord.
Our nation is at a crossroads. In Nehemia, the Israelites pray about their past with sorrow,”They became a stiff-necked people and rebellious and appointed kings to lead them back into slavery.” I’ve posted before the quote that goes something like this: that democracies always fail when the voting public figures out that they can vote money from the public treasure…democracies go from bondage, to spirituality, from spirituality to freedom, from freedom to abundance, from abundance to complacency, from complacency to dependence and from dependence back to bondage. It happened to the Israelites and it is happening to us. We now have the choice between two parties who are both leading us back into bondage and we are willingly putting in leaders who will do that.
In old Testament times, the prophets warned the people, but ultimately, stepped back and allowed the people to freely choose to go the wrong direction. God gives us the free will that, unfortunately, we don’t allow our fellow man. God doesn’t have us on puppet strings to make us do things right, but lets us suffer pain in order to learn to turn to Him. And to me, just as the Old Testament prophets finally had to do, it may be time, prayerfully, for Christians to step back and allow the nation to take its lumps. God is bigger than our vote and our angst. He has always seen His people through the absolute worst while working out His purpose. But we don’t have to participate in causing the events. In reading about McCain and his wife and Hillary and Bill, there is not a dime’s worth of difference between the two families…adultery, revenge, resentment, addiction, codependency, liberalism…it’s all there. You can take your pick of either family and wind up with the same result. This is not the time to berate fellow Christians about something as fruitless in the eternal as voting, but time to be getting on our knees and praying for God’s will to be done so that this nation’s people may return to Him.
And forgive any typos…I am typing on a bumpy road in Alabama. Just passed Taladega! Wow. That place is huge!
out Kunstier:I have no idea!
80 conserve-a-tips // Feb 3, 2008 at 12:43 pm
push
81 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 3, 2008 at 12:47 pm
“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.â€
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.â€
— Winston Churchill
82 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 3, 2008 at 1:06 pm
c.a.t.
safe motoring now, ya hear.
wv: where Atlanta
Beat me, but you all will find it
83 Beerme // Feb 3, 2008 at 2:01 pm
“There’s a higher principle involved here and it isn’t sitting out the elections or writing in a completely non-viable candidate name just to assuage some “conscience†we’ve ginned up to make ourselves FEEL better about our political plight this time around.”-Darthmeister
Allow me to assert MY reasons for not voting for John McCain, should he be the Republican nominee, Darth, because they have nothing to do with assuaging my conscience.
I believe the Republican Party and the MSM and Public Opinion in general, has gotten the impression that the conservatives lost the last election because they were too…well, conservative. The consensus seems to be that the only way to win back the house and retain the presidency is to “move to the middle” with a McCain-like “consensus” candidate.
Now I believe strongly in the fundamental fallacy of this assertion. Conservatives still believe in conservative values and they still want their leaders to espouse the things that the Republican revolution proposed in 1994. They still believe in limited government and freedom.
It’s frustrating, then, to see these pundits proclaim that it will take a McCain to run against a Hillary. Let’s say all of the conservatives agree with the choice of all of these pundits and bite their lips and vote for a liberal Senator and call him a conservative Republican. What will that do to the party, the image of what passes as conservative or what the pundits think a conservative voter actually wants or believes???
For me, I want these people-some of whom may be party planners and strategists who not only mold policy and platforms but actually have a say in what persons are supported as candidates for even local office-to understand what I stand for! And, my friend, that is NOT the conservatism of John McCain.
If enough people show their dissatisfaction with the nominee by voting third party or write-in or staying home, perhaps next year a Newt Gingrich or a Mark Sanford or some other true conservative will emerge as a conservative front-runner for the next presidential election. But more importantly, in the meantime, actual conservatives will be running for office (local and otherwise) and they will be noticed as viable because of the dissatisfaction showed to the “conservative-lite” option, rather than ignored as “too conservative”…
84 conserve-a-tips // Feb 3, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Amen, Beerme!! Very well said. If they water down your wine long enough and more and more, pretty soon, you’ll be swearing that you are drinking wine when it it is really just water.
hurdles has: the conservative base
85 camojack // Feb 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm
“In old Testament times, the prophets warned the people, but ultimately, stepped back and allowed the people to freely choose to go the wrong direction.”
(conserve-a-tips // Feb 3, 2008 at 12:41 pm)
Here’s some Old Testament for you:
“Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord, the Lord, is the Rock eternal.”
(Isaiah 26:4)
I realize that you can also use that to support your current position. So be it…
86 mig // Feb 3, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Wonderful c.a.t. great post.
McShame rests to much on his laurels of being a POW. It’s like listening to Kerry EXCEPT Kerry is still a faker.
We are watching our primaries hijacked by the left . A little late in connect the dots. Jesh. Stiff necked people indeed.
was Battalen: war weary
87 Beerme // Feb 3, 2008 at 3:10 pm
c-a-t,
Thanks for the support. I have been having this argument with one of my co-workers. He is of Darth’s opinion, and I don’t blame him for it. I am Fifty-one years old and this will be the first time that I have ever voted without a care for the strategic value of that vote. It is scary but liberating.
88 onlineanalyst // Feb 3, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Beerme, c-a-t, and mig: I hear you, and I’m with you on your thinking.
Intriguiging WV” Funeral Mc
(Could this message possibly portend the end of the maverick’s political ambitions? Not as a literal funeral, of course, but as a rise in a more palatable candidate.)
89 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 3, 2008 at 6:04 pm
RE: #75~~
If I may clarify:
First, I am dwelling upon the query I posed in #s 56 & 57 because this scenario (as a thought problem) is a bit of a (prayerful) conundrum for me and I am grateful for the input.
Second, my butt is quite bony indeed.
Third, the original query is hereby amended to include the humble stipulation that God’s Word and the Constitution of the United States of America are the only authority.
Finally, my conscience is the province of the Holy Spirit.
Thank you
90 gafisher // Feb 3, 2008 at 9:28 pm
OLA Re#55: I respectfully disagree, but not for subjective reasons. There’s one candidate still in the race who has shown a consistent ability to beat the Clinton machine, one candidate who believes the Founders were on the right track about taxation, and just one who makes it clear — too clear for some — that his loyalty lies above the Party establishment.
I would suggest that the “Perot” candidate this time around, the one who spends millions to block the other campaigns and will, if he persists, give Republicans a candidate in November who has more in common with Hillary than with ANY of the Republicans, is Romney.
91 conserve-a-tips // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Yeah Giants!
Harry orchestras: The music of 44 Magnums?
92 vittles scooper // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:41 pm
You can hear tons of people screaming and cheering in the streets - it’s wonderful ! cars blaring - I tell you - this is soooo fantastic !
93 Darthmeister // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Take this political position test and you might be surprised which presidential candidate comes closest to your position.
Though I hadn’t expected it, it turns out John McCain and not Romney came closest to my “ideal” candidate. Huckabee was down the list and of course the Donk candidates were totally out of the running. Either this test is rigged or we’re being fed a bunch of spin from the self-appointed “conservative” pundits on our side of the aisle who have been trash talking McCain waaaaaay too much.
I wish there was another Ronald Reagan to vote for, truly I do, but that simply isn’t in the cards this time around. Take the test and see for yourselves. Post your results.
If the hyperlink doesn’t work copy and paste this in the address box: http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460
94 vittles scooper // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm
McCain surprisingly came up as my best bet !
95 vittles scooper // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:55 pm
It’s wild over here I tell you - helicopters now. I hear there is going to be a parade on Tuesday! Yeah Giants !
96 Beerme // Feb 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Darthmeister,
The link wouldn’t work. I can’t imagine McCain being my best bet, though. But between Romney and McCain, asking who is the best conservative is kinda ridiculous anyway, isn’t it?
Why did Belicek go for it with 4th and 13 on the 30 yard line? A field goal would have made this a tie and overtime. Oh well, maybe it’s just payback for that video cheating…
97 Beerme // Feb 3, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Let’s try this again…
Darthmeister,
The link wouldn’t work.
I can’t imagine McCain being my best bet, though. But between Romney and McCain, asking who is the best conservative is kinda ridiculous anyway, isn’t it?
Why did Belicek go for it with 4th and 13 on the 30 yard line? A field goal would have made this a tie and overtime. Oh well, maybe it’s just payback for that video cheating…
98 camojack // Feb 4, 2008 at 1:30 am
vittles scooper // Feb 3, 2008 at 10:55 pm
It’s wild over here I tell you - helicopters now. I hear there is going to be a parade on Tuesday! Yeah Giants !
I was in Times Square right after one of the times that the Yankees won the World Series. It was pandelirium [sic], I tells ya!
Beerme:
Is there an echo (echo…echo) in here?
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101 vittles scooper // Feb 4, 2008 at 7:31 am
A different test here gave me different results:
http://www.votechooser.com/
102 Ms RightWing, Ink // Feb 4, 2008 at 9:12 am
Sorry to say I did not watch the Supper Bowl (spelling intended). I wanted a more fair team layout, like Green Bay vs whoever.
I should have put some money on New York because I knew they would win. Just like when everyone thinks the Buckeyes will take it all, they eat dirt. The big ones usually fall. When you are number 2, you are hungry for victory.
So from a non-football fan-congrats to New York.
103 JamesonLewis3rd // Feb 4, 2008 at 9:12 am
My test results show that I would be most likely to vote for a Lon Chaney/Peter Lorre ticket in ‘08.
104 Fred Sinclair // Feb 4, 2008 at 10:41 am
The birth of Liberalism and today’s Democrat Party - fathered by Al Capp:
Al Capp invented the shmoo to satirize political debates about how the rise of the welfare state supposedly reduced economic incentives. According to the Li’l Abner storyline, the leaders of government and big business worked hard to exterminate the shmoo as a menace to civilization as we know it: the shmoo was simply too “nirvana-like†to be tolerated.
The Shmoo was everything to everybody, met all needs from cradle to grave. Shmoon are delicious to eat, and are so eager to be eaten that if a human looks at one with hunger, they will gladly immolate themselves, either by jumping into a frying pan, after which they taste like chicken, or into a roasting pan, after which they taste like beef. (Raw, they taste like oysters on the half-shell.) They also produce eggs, milk, and butter (no churning required.) Their fresh pelt is a perfect boot leather or house timber, depending on how thick it has been cut. Their eyes are ideal suspender buttons, and their whiskers are perfect toothpicks. In short, they are simply the perfect ideal of a subsistence agricultural herd animal.
Some people recognized the popularity of the Cartoon character and made the decision that they would remake the Government into what they perceived “the people†wanted. In other words a total Nanny State.
Thereby giving us in Sixty years (1948 - 2008) Clinton,Inc., Obama, McCain, etc. Not one of which would have survived past nightfall in 1948.
Heirborn Ranger
105 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 4, 2008 at 11:56 am
How long before we get the new voting machines that select”your” candidate for you based on your answers to one of these quizzes?
p.s. for what it’s worth, who “my candidate” was depended on which quiz I took …
106 Darthmeister // Feb 4, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Hey Scott, here’s some headlines for you (or bumperstickers):
REPUBLICANS RATHER BE WATERBOARDED THAN SEE A DEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE
CONSERVATIVES RATHER BE WATERBOARDED BEFORE VOTING FOR McCAIN
Beerme, each one of the links I embedded in my post above still work. Try copying and pasting.
I retook the test right before I posted this comment, but this time I answered the questions as if I were a Democrat moonbat. Sure enough, sHrillary was at the top of my list with Obama in second. McCain was my last choice!
BTW, the intent of the quiz wasn’t to shill for McCain or subjugate your vote to some kind of test. It seems to me that some people might be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Consider for just one micro-second that you may just be a little biased against McCain because of what the Limbaughs, Levins, Coulters, and Hannitys might be spinning.
I posted the link at Polypundit and was railed at by either someone who claimed the quiz was rigged because he substantially changed his answers and he still got McCain as his top choice. That wasn’t my experience so either the guy is such a whacked out, die-hard McCain hater or a liberal posing as a conservative to keep the conservative dislike for McCain at full boil.
The way I hear it, the Donks are deathly afraid of a McCain candidacy precisely because he might appeal to conservative Democrats, independents, swing voters and libertarians. Look, I’m not shilling for McCain, but I’m also not a dupe of Limbaugh or Coulter either. If these “conservative” demagogues keep ginning up their hatred for McCain I might have to add them to my list of kooks. C’mon, Coulter said she would seriously campaign for Hillary if McCain wins the Republican nomination. Now what kind of “conservative” is that?
107 Darthmeister // Feb 4, 2008 at 12:20 pm
… Hillary ate my post.
108 Beerme // Feb 4, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I took the test and McCain was my candidate by over ten points over Rudy. I wonder about that but I also wonder at McCain’s ACU lifetime rating of 80. I am less amazed when I realize his rating over the past five years is closer to 60. The concept of how conservative McCain is is a slippery one. Lately, he has not been a conservative at all. He has been a liberal. That is the source of Coulter’s frustration.
My contention is only that, if I hold my nose and vote for McCain, the people in charge of the RNC, the pundits and the politicians will say, “See, they don’t care if a candidate is conservative or not. They’ll vote for ‘em as long as they have an R on their name”. The resulting slew of RINOs running for office in the next election cycle will be huge.
A conservative that will vote for amnesty, for global warming laws, for suppression of free-speech, and against tax relief; one who actual contacted the Democrat Party in an effort to switch parties before the Dems could convince Jeffords to do so; one who was considered as a liberal Democrat presidential candidate’s running mate…well, that is no conservative!
109 Shelly // Feb 4, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Darth, if the Dems are so afraid of McCain why is the MSM shilling for him to get the nomination?
110 da Bunny // Feb 4, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Yes, Shelly, what is the basis for the MSM’s promotion of the McCain campaign? And, why does the MSM hate Romney so much? The MSM’s leftist “agenda” is all too obvious. *sigh*
Republican does not equal conservative, and conservative does not equal Republican.
111 everthink // Feb 4, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Poor wing-nuts,
“I feel your pain”, NOT!
Buck up now, there’s lots and lots more coming your way.
ET
112 DrivebyMeteor // Feb 4, 2008 at 1:47 pm
“Consider for just one micro-second that you may just be a little biased against McCain … †etc.
Speaking for myself, I got my bias the hard way, i.e. by watching Sen. McCain do his thing over the last 20 years or so.
113 gafisher // Feb 4, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Darth, that “pick your candidate” test was developed by Minnesota Public Radio. Now, Public Radio in general is, shall we say, a bit left-leaning, but in Minnesota, where “Right Wing” defines anyone who doesn’t use Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book as a devotional, Public Radio is so far to the left half the stations are off the bottom end of the dial.
Guilt by association isn’t always justified, but I’d be really careful about letting Minnesota Public Radio help choose my candidate …
114 Darthmeister // Feb 4, 2008 at 8:25 pm
gafisher,
Possibly the quiz could be a fiendishly clever liberal trick to outfox gullible conservative into supporting McCain … but I don’t think this is the case.
I’ve also tried several different response scenarios to the quiz and it seemed fairly accurate to me. For example, I reversed engineered my answers and I picked the choices that represented Romney’s political views and sure enough he was the top guy with McCain second and sHrillary and Obama at the bottom.
Some of the answers on the quiz were not specific enough. For example, I’m all for protecting the institution of marriage from the left-wingnuts and personally believe the State has no right or power to tinker with a beneficient institution which predates its own existence, particularly since the traditional institution of marriage is one of the most basic components of all civil society. However, I don’t think a Marriage Amendment to the Constitution is the answer.
What I believe should happen is the various state courts and the federal courts should stay out of the issue and require those advocates of “homosexual marriage” to go through the constitutional steps which gave us, for example, 18 year old voting rights vis a vis the 26 Amendment. We shouldn’t have to amend the Constitution, the pro-homosexual marriage (sic) people should bear that burden.
Now, does opposing a pro-active Traditional Marriage Amendment which denies certain people a right they think they have make me more or less conservative? I personally believe requiring the pro-gay marriage (sic) crowd to prove their case before the American people, the state legislatures and through a three-fourths ratification by the various states is the preferred method in this case, and the often overreaching Courts ought to quit usurping power and let THE PEOPLE decide the issue, not some pointy-headed judge/court/rogue state legislature. Unfortunately liberals and the left-leaning courts have become adept at short-circuiting the constitutional process in order to impose their personal policy preferences.
Shelly, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe they just like the guy because they perceive him as poking sticks in the eyes of “conservative whackos”. But even if the media appears to be “shilling” for McCain it doesn’t prove your conclusion. The media might just be too smart by half. In other words, maybe the media elites think they’re smarter than the average left-wingnut who fears McCain’s ability to go after the independent and “moderate” swing voters. And maybe the media elites are more scared of a Romney in November and believe McCain is more beatable. The lamestream media makes the calculation that if they show a lot of support for McCain now it will reinforce the view in the Republican conservative base that this guy is way too liberal because, look, the media likes him. At some point closer to November, however, the media will have to turn against McCain … they’re already trashing Romney.
At the same time there is talk there are some McCain skeletons out there that the Clintons will unveil as an October surprise. Maybe the media elites think there is some substance to this developing scandal and believe it would serve theirs and the Democrats cause to have McCain win the Republican nomination and then publicly savage him with new revelations. I don’t think the lamestream media “likes” McCain because they see him as a liberal like them. OR … it’s simply a double dog dare ya meant to further muddy the political waters. Who knows. I have heard it from liberals that a McCain nomination presents special problems for either Obama or sHrillary to sincerely reach out to the middle they way McCain has demonstrated … to the vexation of most conservatives I might add.
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